TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2007:04:19

---	Log	opened Thu Apr 19 00:00:09 2007
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03:39	<Smoky555>	hi all
03:40	<hnsn>	hello fellow ottd player
03:41	<Smoky555>	where i could place scr files? such as on_server_connect.scr ...
03:42	<Rubidium>	scripts/ I guess
03:43	<Smoky555>	but ... if i change script before server starting, i need to restart server or not?
03:44	<Rubidium>	don't know
03:47	<boekabart_>	Someone who knows the map array better than I do: I saw suggested in the forum (3 years ago), a type of tunnel that wouldn't start on a hill edge, but on flat land going down on the start-tile. Bridges have this flexibility (to start either on flat land going up, or on sloped land staying level), why not tunnels. Really that hard? Doesn't sound that way....
03:48	<peter1138>	Smoky555: no
03:48	<peter1138>	Smoky555: it's read whenever it's used
03:48	<peter1138>	so you can change it mid-game
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03:49	<Rubidium>	boekabart_: it ain't much a problem of the map array, but rather fixing the graphics and pathfinder code
03:50	<Smoky555>	peter1138 : ok, i make on_client.scr in scripts folder, i add 'say "Hello" ' into it. thats mean, that with new client server must say to all "Hello", isn't it?
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03:51	<peter1138>	on_server_connect.scr does that
03:51	<boekabart_>	Rubidium: how would it be any different for the pathfinder?
03:51	<peter1138>	on_client is used by the client when it connects (and is fairly useless)
03:51	<Rubidium>	because of the up/down penalties
03:51	<Smoky555>	peter1138: yep, it's work, thanks :)
03:51	<boekabart_>	for gfx, could be an IF (if land flat, take 'dug tunnel' gfx, if not, take 'old' gfx), for path finder no diff.
03:52	<boekabart_>	train height code, same if as ^^
03:52	<boekabart_>	up/down: right. Anyway, doesn't sound like anything that is impossible in the current map array, right?
03:53	<boekabart_>	biggest advantage would be to be able to tunnel under sea, and slightly shorter tunnel entrance footprint
03:53	<Rubidium>	no, but you need to fix 3 pathfinders and 2 vehicle controllers (I think)
03:53	<peter1138>	amend
03:54	<peter1138>	adding features isn't fixing :)
03:54	<boekabart_>	:)
03:54	<boekabart_>	so i'd need to featurize 3 pathfinders?
03:54	<Rubidium>	I think so
03:54	<Rubidium>	maybe even 4...
03:54	<boekabart_>	and of course the building UI
03:56	<peter1138>	coming up with a decent UI is hard
03:56	<boekabart_>	idea: copy from bridge ui?
03:56	<boekabart_>	tunnel is now a limited version of bridge, idea is to make it 'same' . if you know what i mean
03:57	<peter1138>	yes
04:00	<boekabart_>	as in: you know, or as in: i think that's feasable
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04:15	<peter1138>	as in, that's feasible
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04:32	<Smoky555>	huh, does anybody doing something with transparenting in trunk? 9653,9655 from trunk, 9655 nightly,9673 from trunk - transparenting doesn't working (for houses and trees). configs generating with first run. local dedicated server, localclient connected.
04:32	<Smoky555>	running local game - transparenting - doesn't working too ...
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04:36	<Smoky555>	all stable releases works fine with transparent ...
04:39	<peter1138>	what in particular doesn't work?
04:39	<peter1138>	oh, i get it.
04:39	<peter1138>	press x and it behaves like it did
04:40	<peter1138>	or use the transparency toolbar off the map menu
04:40	<peter1138>	changes != broken :p
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04:42	<Smoky555>	ok, i see, thanks ... :)
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04:44	<peter1138>	actually i will change it so the menu option toggles all
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04:44	<peter1138>	(the same as X)
04:46	<peter1138>	otherwise there is only the short cut key to do that
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05:01	<peter1138>	http://fuzzle.org/o/transopt.diff might do the job...
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05:06	<TheJosh>	Hey, what code-wise are the devels wanting the most?
05:12	<TheJosh>	documentation basically?
05:13	<ln->	teleporting trains.
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05:16	<peter1138>	heh
05:16	<peter1138>	make vehicles warp from one side of the map to the other
05:16	<peter1138>	to emulate a 'spherical' world...
05:17	<peter1138>	though it would be a doughnut...
05:17	<ln->	btw, ludde himself mentioned teleporting
05:17	<peter1138>	yes, but he was shot down
05:23	<peter1138>	that was for emulating bendy tunnels
05:23	<peter1138>	but 'real' tunnels are deemed better
05:24	<TheJosh>	so ditch this documentation then?
05:24	<TheJosh>	we could just have the map scroll onto itself
05:24	<peter1138>	ditch which?
05:24	<TheJosh>	i am adding documentation tags to functions
05:25	<peter1138>	well, i was jesting about the warp...
05:25	<TheJosh>	ah ok
05:26	<peter1138>	iirc farms used to be able to plant fields on the opposite side of the map, if they were near the edge
05:27	<ln->	has the ear ring bug been fixed yet?
05:27	<peter1138>	no, nobody cares about faces
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05:28	<peter1138>	especially not the 'females'
05:31	<ln->	i know one dev who could care about the 'males' being bi.
05:33	<TheJosh>	Hey In-, did you hear my patch got in?
05:34	<peter1138>	ln-, yes, bjarni... he seems to have an obsession with that sort of thing...
05:35	<ln->	TheJosh: hey th3j0sh, i didn't. congrats.
05:35	<ln->	TheJosh: also, please switch to another font in your irc client/terminal.
05:37	<TheJosh>	Thanks. it was all Maedhros really.
05:37	<TheJosh>	What is wrong with my font? this irc client is mega simple, does not support multiple fonts
05:37	<ln->	you don't see the difference of l and I.
05:38	<ln->	and probably not 1 and l and I.
05:39	<TheJosh>	actually i can see 1 from i and \|
05:39	<TheJosh>	and I
05:39	<TheJosh>	what is your name
05:40	<TheJosh>	sorry
05:43	<peter1138>	ln-, short for 'Lord kNowitall'
05:44	<ln->	ok, admiral.
05:46	<TheJosh>	ln as in the linux command for link?
05:49	<TheJosh>	shutting up now
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05:59	<TheJosh>	Ok i cant help talking, meh, i have just made a documentation patch, does anyone want it?
06:00	<TheJosh>	i was told yesterday they are useful or something
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06:16	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	talk to belugas, he is doing documentation stuff..
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06:19	[~]	peter1138 gruarghs at C#
06:20	<peter1138>	"Control cannot fall through from one case label to another" indeed :/
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06:45	<TheJosh>	Hey is there a function I can use to display a message on the screen or something for debugging purposes?
06:46	<TheJosh>	like a messagebox style thingo, or a console message
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06:49	<peter1138>	debug("foo", "message with formatting %d", 42);
06:49	<peter1138>	generally i abbreviate the function name in the first parameter, though it's freetext...
06:52	<TheJosh>	what is the 42?
06:53	<TheJosh>	the universe, life and everything?
06:53	<peter1138>	example parameter ;p
06:53	<peter1138>	for the %d
06:53	<TheJosh>	ah ok
06:53	<peter1138>	it's like a printf, but with an extra parameter at the start
06:53	<peter1138>	and no need for \n at the end
06:54	<TheJosh>	i get an error: debug is not declared in this scope
06:54	<peter1138>	hmmz
06:54	<peter1138>	#include "debug.h" at the top?
06:54	<TheJosh>	is now
06:57	<TheJosh>	ok heres a tougher one: how do you use the function SetObjectToPlace from a popup menu item
06:59	<TheJosh>	it sortof works: i take a copy of the window handle in the proc function, and use it later, show thingo but doesnt call my proc function when the user clicks
06:59	<peter1138>	uh
06:59	<peter1138>	pass :)
07:00	<TheJosh>	let me guess, you hate GUI code too?
07:00	<peter1138>	:)
07:03	<TheJosh>	does that debug launch a window or go to the console?
07:04	<TheJosh>	nvm
07:05	<peter1138>	console :)
07:08	<TheJosh>	im trying to code 'fund a town'...now ive got to the point where it says 'cannot put a town here'...
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07:15	<TheJosh>	w00t...i founded a town!
07:18	<TheJosh>	how do you change the current players money
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07:22	<hnsn>	hello also
07:22	<hnsn>	Ctrl + Alt + C
07:22	<TheJosh>	hello
07:23	<TheJosh>	no i am talking from a code perspective. I found a function to subtract, now I need a check function, because it made my bank balence -50million...
07:24	<TheJosh>	while towns should be expensive, it should report 'you are broke' rather than just make you bankrupt...
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07:52	<Thomas[NL]>	are there any train-tunnel-grf's for OTTD?
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08:04	<@Belugas>	hello
08:05	<@Belugas>	TheJosh : yes, documentation patches are more then welcome :)
08:05	<@Belugas>	show me da stufff!
08:07	<Thomas[NL]>	http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=576682#576682
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08:09	<TheJosh>	My doc patch is currently part of another patch I created called 'fund a town', but ill remove those bits and give you just the doc bits
08:12	<TheJosh>	Belugas: do you want the doc patch?
08:13	<@Belugas>	of course :)
08:19	<peter1138>	* This obviously only works in the scenario editor. Function not removed
08:19	<peter1138>	* as it might be possible in the future to fund your own town :)
08:19	<peter1138>	lol
08:19	<TheJosh>	thats what im supporing in a patch i just amde
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08:20	<peter1138>	yes, i know
08:21	<TheJosh>	good point
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08:29	<maddy>	hiho
08:29	<maddy>	Brianetta: can you reset the server pls? :D
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08:57	<@Belugas>	!seen Maedhros
08:57	<_42_>	Belugas, Maedhros (~jc@host86-136-233-235.range86-136.btcentralplus.com) was last seen quitting #openttd 21 hours 50 minutes ago (18.04. 16:06) stating "Ping timeout: 480 seconds" after spending 6 hours 23 minutes there.
08:57	<@Belugas>	21 hours!!!!
08:57	<@Belugas>	tht's awfully long time!
09:06	<peter1138>	hmmz
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09:26	<Maedhros>	hi
09:28	<peter1138>	ah ha!
09:28	<peter1138>	the man himself
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09:30	<@Belugas>	hello Maedhros :)
09:30	<@Belugas>	how doyou DARE been away for 21 hours ???
09:30	<@Belugas>	shame on you ;)
09:30	<peter1138>	22 actually
09:31	<@Belugas>	time flies...
09:31	<Maedhros>	hehe, i'm sorry!
09:32	<Maedhros>	although it's exam season again, so you probably shouldn't expect to see me much until early June
09:33	<@Belugas>	you're excused :)
09:33	<@Belugas>	real life is the best excuse ;)
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09:43	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: celestar * r9674 /branches/gamebalance/ (102 files in 7 dirs): [gamebalance] -Sync: r9322:9420 from trunk
09:48	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: celestar * r9675 /branches/gamebalance/ (35 files in 8 dirs): [gamebalance] -Sync: r9420:9520 from trunk
09:50	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: belugas * r9676 /trunk/src/ (industry.h industry_cmd.cpp):
09:50	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: -Codechange: introduce NUM_INDUSTRYTYPES instead of IT_END.
09:50	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: This makes the code clearer.
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10:09	<@Belugas>	whooo... no conflicts :D
10:14	<SpComb>	sync? Merge?
10:15	<@Belugas>	nope... work :)
10:18	[~]	peter1138 conflicts with working in the summer
10:18	<SpComb>	move to antarctica
10:18	<SpComb>	it's a fun place to be
10:19	<SpComb>	depending on where you go
10:20	<@Belugas>	peter1138, there is an empty chair by my side :)
10:20	<@Belugas>	you're more then welcome to fill it
10:20	<@Belugas>	it's cool in here ;)
10:22	<peter1138>	:D
10:22	<peter1138>	if i could work from home...
10:22	<peter1138>	i could have my aircon pointing at me...
10:22	<peter1138>	and no clothes :x
10:23	<SpComb>	oo ya
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10:29	<@Belugas>	i pass!
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10:31	<Thomas[NL]>	http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=576638#576638 what terrain grf's is he using :S?
10:32	<peter1138>	japan landscape, iirc
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10:40	<SpComb>	peter1138: move to finland, it's a pleasant +4°C outside right now
10:40	<@Belugas>	samo in Quebec
10:41	<SpComb>	although it was a rather warm 28°C on the 15th
10:41	<SpComb>	that was probably measured in the (light of the) sun, though
10:41	<@Belugas>	never reached that this year. LAst time it was that hot was in last summer :S
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10:48	<peter1138>	WHO! HAR! WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR
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10:50	<MeusH>	hey
10:51	<peter1138>	MEUSH
10:51	<MeusH>	yo homie
10:51	<MeusH>	I see nice progress :)
10:51	<peter1138>	yo homo :p
10:51	<MeusH>	not nice
10:52	<peter1138>	what isn't?
10:52	<MeusH>	random
10:52	<MeusH>	whatever
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10:52	<@Belugas>	pertinent...
10:53	<peter1138>	pert tits?
10:53	<@Belugas>	nice work on tropics, MeusH,by the way
10:53	<MeusH>	thanks, I'm drawing sprites right now :)
10:53	<MeusH>	if you have any suggestions please go on :)
10:54	<@Belugas>	nope...
10:54	<@Belugas>	sorry
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10:55	<@Belugas>	don't want to influence The Artist
10:55	<MeusH>	influence me :)
10:55	<MeusH>	please :D
10:55	[~]	peter1138 feeds MeusH something alcoholic
10:55	<peter1138>	now you are under the influence
10:55	<MeusH>	yeeea
10:55	<MeusH>	more!
10:56	<MeusH>	I'm having problems with pipes on oil station... That's one big spaghetti :)
10:56	<MeusH>	but more alcohol will untie the spaghetti
10:56	<MeusH>	or whatever
10:56	<peter1138>	GAH
10:56	<peter1138>	sometimes my browser locks up :(
10:57	<peter1138>	but it happens with opera, firefox and IE...
10:57	<MeusH>	it happens for me when there is something related to Java or Flash (firefox)
10:57	<Ailure>	It happens with msnmgr, explorer.exe and firefox here too
10:57	<peter1138>	MeusH: i'm only on our wiki though...
10:57	<Ailure>	well it's usually related to slashdot for some reason
10:57	<peter1138>	i think i need a reinstall
10:57	<MeusH>	hmm
10:57	<peter1138>	or some linux, heh
10:57	<peter1138>	but i need vs 2005 ;/
10:57	<MeusH>	oh yeah peter1138 do you know what's up with MiHaMiX?
10:58	<Ailure>	ok i'm unable to revive explorer.exe
10:58	<Ailure>	it goes 50% CPU all the time, without starting. :/
10:58	<peter1138>	no, what's up with MiHaMiX?
10:58	<peter1138>	Ailure, heh, my control panel makes it do that
10:58	<Ailure>	ok now it revived
10:58	<Ailure>	sometimes it helps to like
10:59	<Ailure>	termite, start, terminate, start, terminate
10:59	<Ailure>	repeat
10:59	<Ailure>	until it finally starts
10:59	<MeusH>	peter1138, could you take a look at http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/User_talk:MeusH#Scenario_Namespace ?
10:59	<MeusH>	MiHaMiX is kinda gone and he doesn't respond
10:59	<peter1138>	hmm?
11:00	<MeusH>	they want to have something like Scenario:Pagename
11:00	<peter1138>	Scenario: seems ok
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11:00	<peter1138>	or not?
11:00	<MeusH>	yeah
11:00	<MeusH>	but someone has to do it
11:00	<peter1138>	hmm
11:00	<peter1138>	but
11:00	<MeusH>	to find it in the code and modify it
11:00	<Ailure>	you need to change the code for that?
11:00	<peter1138>	would Category Scenario not work? heh
11:01	<peter1138>	all the links in the wiki/html code, i guess
11:01	<Ailure>	that's how it's done on most wikis too I belive
11:01	<Ailure>	unless i'm misunderstanding what they want
11:01	<MeusH>	it's pretty simple
11:01	<MeusH>	wait a sec
11:02	<MeusH>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Custom_namespaces
11:02	<MeusH>	this
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11:02	<peter1138>	well, i got rid of most of GFXDev:
11:02	<peter1138>	but mainly because two of the pages in it were redundant
11:02	<peter1138>	and lots of stuff that should be in it isn't
11:03	<peter1138>	hmm, so you have to edit them there too? that's lame ;p
11:03	<Ailure>	aaah
11:03	<MeusH>	peter1138, that's the only place where it should be edited, I think
11:04	<peter1138>	MeusH: well, what i mean is, that you have to edit it at all
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11:04	<peter1138>	i assumed just having the Foo: thing in the name would make it do the right thing o_O
11:04	<MeusH>	you mean no nice user interface, right?
11:04	<MeusH>	aha
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11:17	<@Belugas>	oups... lunch time started without me :S
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11:19	<Thomas[NL]>	what is this Peter1138/Towngrowth Challenge, will it be some game-mode?
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11:23	<peter1138>	possibly
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11:24	<peter1138>	based on korenn's old OCS version
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11:24	<Ailure>	ah
11:24	<Ailure>	I thought it was another name for offspin challange
11:25	<Ailure>	(to be honest I forgot the name of the author of offspin challange :P and I never tried the 'OCS')
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11:28	<peter1138>	openttd challenge spinoff
11:28	<peter1138>	or
11:28	<peter1138>	openttd spinoff challenge
11:28	<peter1138>	or something
11:28	<peter1138>	but basically, with newgrf cargos, industries, houses, etc, a lot of the changes can be done with a grf file
11:29	<Ailure>	yeah
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11:29	<Wolf01>	hello
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11:30	<Ailure>	I seen the progress with newCargos
11:30	<Ailure>	and the bugs coming with them :p
11:30	<Ailure>	such as a temperate sawmill acting like the tropical one
11:30	<Ailure>	eh that probably wasn't related to newcargos
11:30	<Ailure>	but still ;)
11:31	<Ailure>	A friend of mine thought it was a new feature
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11:31	<Thomas[NL]>	yea it happened to me :), suddenly there was a big square grassland in the forest :P
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11:32	<Ailure>	haha yeah
11:32	<Ailure>	it probably would been intresting near endgame
11:32	<Ailure>	considering how endgame in TTD
11:33	<Ailure>	is with forests being everywhere
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11:33	<Ailure>	there would be holes of trees all over the map
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11:35	<peter1138>	yeah, nothing to do with newcargos that :p
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11:36	<Wolf01>	i thought it was fixed by Belugas
11:37	<Ailure>	although I think the temperate forests feels kinda stupid
11:37	<Wolf01>	yeah, they are always the same... boring
11:37	<Ailure>	It feels like a unatural 'squarish' forest
11:37	<Ailure>	too
11:37	<@Belugas>	i fixed it
11:37	<Wolf01>	what about industries on slopes?
11:37	<@Belugas>	i think
11:38	<Ailure>	industries on slopes looks nice :)
11:38	<Wolf01>	ttdpatch has them for a long time
11:38	<Ailure>	but I wonder if they could have problems with the terragenesis generator
11:38	<Ailure>	yeah I saw them
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11:39	<Wolf01>	why? they are always the same, only they can be built on slopes and the graphics will change to look better
11:39	<Ailure>	I mean
11:39	<Ailure>	heh
11:39	<Ailure>	http://www.pikkarail.com/ttdp/ukrs/industries.htm
11:40	<Ailure>	look at the end of that page with the industry going up three tiles of slope
11:40	<Ailure>	a smooth terragenesis map might not have many of thoose slopes
11:40	<Ailure>	if any at all
11:40	<Wolf01>	you can always terraform a slope when placing the industry
11:41	<Ailure>	hmm
11:41	<Ailure>	rough have a few of them though
11:41	<Ailure>	and very roguh should have a few
11:41	<Ailure>	and true
11:41	<Ailure>	but I was mainly concerned with randomly placed ones
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11:41	<Wolf01>	now if the terragenesis want to place a forest in a rough area it terraform it, i've seen it with my eyes
11:42	<Ailure>	hmm
11:42	<Ailure>	I seen some automatic terraforming with industry placement
11:42	<Ailure>	sometimes bit unecessary as I seen it when I place industry and it flattens a area that the industry dosen't even build on
11:43	<Wolf01>	i saw also the castle for tourist cargo, i like the idea to place things on particular terrain configurations
11:43	<Ailure>	Kinda funny how it's a industry too :p
11:43	<Ailure>	Sure, there's a such thing as tourist industry
11:43	<Ailure>	but still
11:47	<Wolf01>	what about the ship improvement we talked about yesterday?
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11:52	<sai>	hello guys, I just try to make a friend like openttd, but he can't start it, because of the error "too many sprites". I read something about "onloading the grf-stuff", but how to do that? environment is windows... any help?
11:54	<Wolf01>	which triassic version is he using?
11:55	<sai>	what is triassic?
11:55	<sai>	it is probably the recent open ttd rc-3
11:55	<@Belugas>	synonim for dinosaur-age version :)
11:55	<Wolf01>	when dinosaurs ruled the world :P
11:55	<+glx>	he probably tries to load unneeded grfs
11:56	<sai>	so is it enough to just delete some from the folder where he put some grf-files?
11:56	<+glx>	I mean grfs that do not work in 0.5.x
11:56	<sai>	so he should delete all grf-files?
11:56	<Wolf01>	not all
11:57	<@Belugas>	sai, maybe he cold try the nightlies
11:57	<+glx>	what grfs does he use now?
11:57	<sai>	1sec
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11:57	<Ailure>	I wouldn't recomend too many GRF's for newbies anyway :p
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11:57	<sai>	he put these files in his folder: sample.cat
11:57	<sai>	TRG1.GRF
11:57	<sai>	TRGC.GRF
11:57	<sai>	TRGH.GRF
11:57	<sai>	TRGI.GRF
11:57	<sai>	TRGT.GRF
11:57	<+glx>	needed ttd files so it's ok
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11:58	<Kittysune>	I seen people hauling coal with... that railcar in the UKRS set.
11:58	<Kittysune>	!logs
11:58	<SpComb>	Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd
11:58	<Kittysune>	[18:56][18:56] <Ailure> I wouldn't recomend too many GRF's for newbies anyway :p
11:58	<Kittysune>	[18:56][18:56] <Ailure> some trainsets are like, much more advanced than the orginal trains
11:58	<Kittysune>	[18:56][18:56] <Ailure> not that I mind, but it can be little confusing for some.
11:58	<sai>	so what is the problem then?
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11:58	<sai>	he did nothing else than to install the game and to cpoy these files...
11:59	<Ailure>	really? Hmm..
11:59	<+glx>	sai: using default openttd.cfg?
12:00	<sai>	well , I have never heard of an openttd-cfg, and he didnt play or had this game before, so I guess it will be the default.
12:05	<Thomas[NL]>	can't Invisible Trees (with transparent buildings) be removed out of the Patches in the nightlies now we have Transparency options?
12:06	<Wolf01>	i might put them in the gui
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12:18	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	how would you make a 3-way-switch-button (full/transparen/invisible) in the GUI?
12:19	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	+t
12:19	<Wolf01>	should be cool
12:24	<Thomas[NL]>	what TerraGenesis settings are you using most of the time?
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12:30	<Maedhros>	heh, http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=31560
12:30	<Maedhros>	i wonder why it's always the people who write perfect english that apologise
12:30	<Maedhros>	and it's usually the english people who write incomprehensible stuff
12:35	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	Wolf01: what about this: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/ships.txt
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12:37	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	Maedhros: because those native english speakers never experienced how hard it is to talk in a foreign language
12:39	<Maedhros>	probably, yeah
12:41	<@Belugas>	soooooo true
12:43	<peter1138>	helloa
12:44	<Thomas[NL]>	Eddi\|zuHause2, I like the shipping routes idea
12:44	[~]	peter1138 returns from 'watering' the weeds
12:46	<peter1138>	evilly supplying them with roundup
12:46	<Wolf01>	Eddi\|zuHause2, nice, but i can't understand how a route couldn't have more than one corner, if there is a b^b where ^ is a peninsulae and b the buoy, you have to put a buoy in the bit of the peninsulae?
12:46	<Wolf01>	(tell me if you can't undertand me :D)
12:47	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	Wolf01: the more corners you allow, the more difficult the in-between pathfinding and the route-creating will be
12:47	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	if you have a peninsula, just build more buoys
12:47	<Thomas[NL]>	what is a peninsulae??....
12:47	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	a semi-island
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12:48	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	a land edge that sticks into the water...
12:48	<Thomas[NL]>	ah ok :)
12:49	<@Belugas>	peter1138, the gardener :)
12:49	<peter1138>	yup
12:49	<peter1138>	the bindweed is coming back
12:49	[~]	Belugas imagines a hat, with flowers, gardening gloves and all...
12:50	<peter1138>	so getting it while it's young...
12:50	<@Belugas>	last time i checked, no need for water. just some snow shoveling :)
12:51	[~]	Maedhros doesn't have a garden, although our tenancy agreement says we have to tend it ;)
12:52	<peter1138>	http://farm1.static.flickr.com/253/452833136_d8b502c8b8_o.jpg
12:52	<valhallasw>	http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/sandbox_new/banner/
12:52	<peter1138>	not flower
12:52	<valhallasw>	er
12:52	<peter1138>	s
12:52	<peter1138>	growing veg :D
12:52	<peter1138>	although... blurry photo
12:52	<valhallasw>	wrong button >_>
12:53	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	a propos weeds... i should go watch it...
12:54	<@Belugas>	good growth so far :) green thumb sir
12:54	<peter1138>	well, no
12:54	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9677 /trunk/src/main_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Make the 'transparent buildings' menu item toggle all transparency, to keep its old behaviour.
12:54	<peter1138>	the holy and the shrub were there already
12:55	<peter1138>	they are starting to show up now though
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12:55	<peter1138>	that lot was planted a week and a half ago
12:55	<hylje>	bring me a shrubbery
12:55	<+glx>	ni
12:57	<peter1138>	for belugas... http://farm1.static.flickr.com/157/384440055_8231ceb5ae_o.jpg
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12:58	<@Belugas>	hehe :)
12:58	<@Belugas>	that was how it looked in here about a week ago
12:58	<Thomas[NL]>	peter1138, transparent buildings just toggles transparency of buildables here
12:58	<peter1138>	hmm?
12:59	<Thomas[NL]>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9677 /trunk/src/main_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Make the 'transparent buildings' menu item toggle all transparency, to keep its old behaviour., using it now toggles the transparency of "buildables" like stations, depots etc here
13:00	<peter1138>	well
13:00	<peter1138>	it remembers what you had selected as transparent
13:00	<peter1138>	same as pressing X
13:00	<peter1138>	the text is wrong
13:01	<Wolf01>	why are you keeping that option?
13:01	<peter1138>	but it matches what it used to do
13:01	<peter1138>	because i like it :p
13:01	<Thomas[NL]>	oops, In was still using r9676
13:02	<peter1138>	heh
13:02	<Wolf01>	if you want i have a patch to toggle the "remember the selected transparent options" with a nice gui button
13:02	<peter1138>	yeah, i might add that
13:03	<Wolf01>	http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/patches/transparency_options_gui_9621_transparency_memorization_widget.diff here is it
13:04	<Maedhros>	wouldn't it be better to save the setting so you don't have to change it every time you start the game?
13:04	<Thomas[NL]>	imho, the gui & patches need a little clean up, there are a couple of buttons and options that are not needed any more
13:05	<@Belugas>	ha.. we have a volunteer for the cleanup!
13:05	<peter1138>	Maedhros: yeah, will at some point
13:05	<Maedhros>	cool and groovy
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13:09	<Thomas[NL]>	I, can make of list of proposed changes but I don't think I'll be able to code any of it
13:10	<@Belugas>	can start by a list...
13:11	<peter1138>	Thomas[NL]: there is more to helping a project than coding :)
13:11	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	the most important imho is to clean up or split the vehicles patch page
13:11	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	it is way too crowded
13:11	<peter1138>	the multiple pathfinder selections!
13:12	<peter1138>	are we ready to ditch npf yet?
13:12	<Thomas[NL]>	and npt?
13:14	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	and in the long term, make some patch settings into difficulty settings, the rest into game options
13:23	<Thomas[NL]>	what is currently considered to be the "stable" pathfinder?
13:24	<peter1138>	yapf
13:25	<Thomas[NL]>	ok
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13:49	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9678 /trunk/src/aircraft_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Support changing of aircraft running cost via callback 36.
13:50	<peter1138>	(probably :p)
13:51	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: belugas * r9679 /trunk/src/transparency_gui.cpp: -Codechange: use enums to identify transparency widgets and add a bit of documentation (patch by Wolf01)
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14:11	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: miham * r9680 /trunk/src/lang/ (17 files): (log message trimmed)
14:11	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-04-19 21:10:21
14:11	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: bulgarian - 2 fixed by thetitan (1), kokobongo (1)
14:11	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: czech - 2 fixed by joeprusa (2)
14:11	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: danish - 2 fixed by ThomasA (2)
14:11	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: dutch - 2 fixed, 1 changed by habell (3)
14:11	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: esperanto - 2 fixed by LaPingvino (2)
14:12	<@Belugas>	whooo... a franzy
14:12	<@MiHaMiX>	MeusH: here
14:12	<@MiHaMiX>	MeusH: for 5 minutes, since I'm damn tired
14:13	<ln->	MiHaMiX: there are extra ':' characters in finnish.txt at STR_INDUSTRY_PROD_GOUP and _GODOWN
14:14	<@MiHaMiX>	ln-: i'll check it soon
14:14	<peter1138>	and in turkish
14:14	<peter1138>	STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_SERVINT_ROADVEH :{LTBLUE}Arabalar için varsayılan servis gecikmesi:: {ORANGE}{STRING} gün/%
14:15	<Maedhros>	hmm, that's done weird things to irssi
14:16	<@MiHaMiX>	peter1138: i can't check every single translation made by the translators
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14:16	<@MiHaMiX>	peter1138: if a translation syntactically correct, WT2 accepts that
14:18	<peter1138>	no
14:18	<peter1138>	i just pointed it out
14:19	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: miham * r9681 /trunk/src/lang/finnish.txt: [Translations] -Fix: removed two unnecessary colons from the finnish translations (spotted by ln-)
14:20	<@MiHaMiX>	peter1138: ok then :)
14:20	<@MiHaMiX>	peter1138: shall I remove those, too?
14:20	<@Belugas>	Smoky555, are you around?
14:20	<@Belugas>	or in other words :
14:21	<@Belugas>	Smoky555 : ping
14:22	<@MiHaMiX>	ok, let's go to sleep, i'm pretty damn tired :-(