TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2007:04:10

---	Log	opened Tue Apr 10 00:00:47 2007
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01:51	<Frostregen>	hmm, bug or feature: duplicating a train allows you to get into negative money (current svn)
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03:21	<@peter1138>	oh
03:22	[~]	Maedhros considers reverting the commit that caused that, since i don't think i'm going to be able to fix it quickly
03:23	<@peter1138>	that?
03:24	<Maedhros>	cloning things doesn't check how much money you actually have any more
03:27	<@peter1138>	ah
03:27	<@peter1138>	"oops"
03:28	<Maedhros>	yeah
03:29	<MiHaMiX>	Maedhros: is it so hard to fix?
03:31	<Maedhros>	it's not easy, because refits involve newgrf callbacks, which require a vehicle
03:31	<Maedhros>	if i had time, i could probably get it fixed, but i don't at the moment :-/
03:32	<@peter1138>	hmm
03:32	<MiHaMiX>	ahh
03:32	<@peter1138>	the refit cost is fixed, though
03:36	<Maedhros>	yes, this patch almost works, except that it only applies to rail vehicles
03:36	<Maedhros>	http://devs.openttd.org/~maedhros/clone_cost_fix.diff
03:37	<Maedhros>	but what if the REFIT_VEHICLE_CAPACITY callback returns 0? if so, the vehicle won't be refitted
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03:39	<@peter1138>	hmm
03:40	<@peter1138>	so you need to do the refit and then revert, heh
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03:41	<blathijs>	jordi: :-D
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03:45	<TrueBrain>	blathijs: what are you so happy about?! :p
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03:47	<TrueBrain>	I wish PandaMojo would stop doing that...
03:47	<blathijs>	02:12 #openttd: < jordi> blathijs: weee, we finally made it
03:48	<TrueBrain>	blathijs: you reply to things long long ago :p Hehe :p
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04:01	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: maedhros * r9581 /trunk/src/ (command.cpp vehicle.cpp): -Revert (r9562): This broke as much as it fixed, so revert until a proper way of paying for refits when cloning can be found.
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04:06	<jordi>	TrueBrain: Debian now has openttd in the official archive (see backlog)
04:07	<jordi>	blathijs: next step, have it included in backports.org
04:07	<TrueBrain>	nice job :)
04:07	<TrueBrain>	and I did read back, after blathijs' timestamp ;)
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04:15	<blathijs>	fg
04:15	<blathijs>	woops
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04:19	[~]	Maedhros wonders when PandaMojo will run out of underscores
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04:25	<TrueBrain>	I wondre if we just should ban him
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04:31	<MiHaMiX>	sure thing
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04:32	<@MiHaMiX>	argh
04:33	<TrueBrain>	euh, MiHaMiX?
04:33	<TrueBrain>	I don't think you should be op :p
04:33	<TrueBrain>	it clearly is dangarous :p
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04:33	<@MiHaMiX>	lol, i switched two arguments
04:33	<TrueBrain>	you might also want to remove the 'secret' flag :p
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04:34	<TrueBrain>	@ban PandaMojo Please fix your client
04:34	<TrueBrain>	bah, that isn't supported :p
04:34	<TrueBrain>	(yet)
04:34	<TrueBrain>	@whoami
04:34	<@DorpsGek>	TrueBrain: TrueBrain
04:34	<TrueBrain>	nice to know
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04:34	<@MiHaMiX>	ahh :)
04:35	<@MiHaMiX>	I used to be channel admin long ago.. but I accidentally switched two agruments at the first try.. sorry for that
04:35	<TrueBrain>	yeah yeah, that is what they all say :p
04:35	<@MiHaMiX>	:P
04:35	<@MiHaMiX>	TrueBrain: stfu :P
04:36	<TrueBrain>	it is becoming a hype!
04:37	<@MiHaMiX>	:)
04:39	<jordi>	heh
04:39	<jordi>	I saw exactly this last night in some other channel
04:40	<jordi>	openttd has built on all debian architectures where it has been tried
04:40	<jordi>	not all new (for Debian) code achieves that
04:40	<jordi>	http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?arch=&pkg=openttd
04:40	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: truelight * r9582 /branches/0.5/ (8 files):
04:40	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: [0.5] -Backport from trunk (r9425, r9437, r9455, r9519):
04:40	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: - Fix: housekeeping in convert rail functions (r9425)
04:40	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: - Fix: dedicated server crashed when the y part of the resolution was less than 10 (r9437)
04:40	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: - Fix: values of diff_custom and snow_line in .cfg weren't checked properly (r9455)
04:40	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: - Fix: free the malloc'd variable, not the pointer to that variable (r9519)
04:41	<TrueBrain>	not bad
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04:43	<TrueBrain>	@op
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04:44	<TrueBrain>	he will stop idling in this channel, and will only join if he has something useful to contribute :)
04:44	<TrueBrain>	his connection is fucked up, poor guy
04:49	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: truelight * r9583 /branches/0.5/ (ai/default/default.c economy.c players.c):
04:49	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: [0.5] -Backport from trunk (r9529, r9533, r9540, r9541):
04:49	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: - Fix: when 2 clients joined together, the second asserted on the NewCompany command of the first (r9529)
04:49	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: - Fix: when company is removed, sell all shares he has first, then sell all shares other people might have in this company (r9533)
04:49	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: - Fix: bankrupt AIs no longer buy over themselves (also added safeguards to prevent in future) (r9540 / r9541)
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04:57	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: truelight * r9584 /branches/0.5/ (6 files):
04:57	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: [0.5] -Backport frmo trunk (r9542, r9565, r9573):
04:57	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: - Fix: when checking for no vehicle on ground-tiles, don't take into account vehicles that are in the air (r9542)
04:57	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: - Feature: add list_patches to console commands; shows all patches and values (r9565)
04:57	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: - Fix: enclose settings names containing spaces with quotes (r9573)
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07:55	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: miham * r9585 /trunk/src/lang/ (romanian.txt turkish.txt):
07:55	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-04-10 14:52:27
07:55	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: romanian - 26 fixed, 7 changed by kneekoo (33)
07:55	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: turkish - 11 fixed by jnmbk (11)
07:58	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: truelight * r9586 /branches/0.5/lang/ (16 files in 2 dirs):
07:58	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: [0.5] -Backport from trunk (r9525, r9527, r9547, r9548, r9570, r9571, r9572, r9576):
07:58	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: - Language updates (r9525, r9527, r9547, r9548, r9570, r9571, r9572, r9576)
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08:02	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: truelight * r9587 /branches/0.5/lang/ (romanian.txt turkish.txt):
08:02	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: [0.5] -Backport from trunk (r9585):
08:02	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: - Language updates (r9585)
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08:04	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: truelight * r9588 /branches/0.5/lang/turkish.txt: [0.5] -Fix r9587: something went wrong in turkish.txt update
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08:10	<@Belugas>	hello
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08:12	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: truelight * r9589 /branches/0.5/lang/turkish.txt: [0.5] -Fix (r9587, r9588): this time I really do hope turkish.txt went okay...
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08:17	<blathijs>	jordi: Did you already upload 0.5.1~rc1? The first upload was 0.5.0, right?
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09:05	<Ailure>	durrr
09:09	<hylje>	:o
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09:13	<Zuu>	[noai-brach][noai-brach] Is there a known assertion problem with the AI_factory?
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09:16	<jordi>	blathijs: first upload was -2
09:16	<jordi>	-2 was -1 with a changelog bump as requested by you :)
09:18	<Zuu>	[noai-branch][noai-branch] Seams like there is some old stuff left on my side since rm -rf on the src-directory on my code-base solved the assertion.
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09:22	<MeusH>	hello
09:22	<MeusH>	omg
09:22	<MeusH>	is Darkvater Hungarian?
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09:23	<ln->	he is
09:26	<@peter1138>	why?
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09:28	<MeusH>	thanks
09:28	<MeusH>	I always thought he's German
09:28	<MeusH>	that's nice to know, Hungarians were always getting on well with Poles
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09:32	<ln->	peter1138: i suppose because he was born to hungarian parents.
09:32	<@peter1138>	possible
09:32	<Sacro>	anyone in here use vi/vim?
09:32	<ln->	just ask the question.
09:32	<Zuu>	Sacro: Yes
09:32	<@Belugas>	i use Vim to clean my bath...
09:33	<@Belugas>	but i don't think it's the same thing ^^
09:33	<@peter1138>	VIM and VIGOR
09:33	<Sacro>	does it have support for tables/columns?
09:33	<Zuu>	Sacro: What sort of tables?
09:33	<Sacro>	its a how to use document for a word processor... im too lazy to do it on ms word
09:34	<Zuu>	Go LaTeX :)
09:34	<Sacro>	create, save, open, close, moving around, viewing, cut, copy, paste, insert, delete, printing
09:34	<@Belugas>	http://www.homebasics.ca/images/vim/vim_products.gif
09:34	<@Belugas>	lol
09:35	<Sacro>	Belugas: that looks like Jif
09:35	<Sacro>	well. Cif as it is now
09:35	<@Belugas>	another continent, another brand, same product :)
09:35	<Zuu>	Sacro: there is block-select, and block-insert, and tab-characters, but there are no magic word-tables in text-files.
09:35	<@Belugas>	how sweet is this :)
09:36	<Sacro>	Belugas: is it Unilever?
09:36	<Sacro>	indeed it is
09:37	<Zuu>	Sacro: Maybe you can find a plugin that makes something that is usefull for you out of the many plugins available at vim.org :p
09:37	<Sacro>	Zuu: probably could...
09:37	<Sacro>	now my second peice of coursework has to be done in powerpoint :(
09:38	<Zuu>	Sacro: by the way I saw there is a comersial vim-plugin for Word. :)
09:39	<Sacro>	http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1334 looks good
09:39	<@Belugas>	dunno, Sacro, i'm not toom uch into commercial product lineage :)
09:40	<Sacro>	he plugin script table_format.vim is a text formatting tool. It
09:40	<Sacro>	arranges words or groups of words on consecutive lines into a neatly
09:40	<Sacro>	formatted table. :D
09:40	<Sacro>	whoops
09:41	<hylje>	what
09:41	<Sacro>	hmm, how to get a spellchecker, thesaurus and grammer checker in vim :)
09:42	<hylje>	find spellchecker, grammar and thesaurus plugins
09:42	<hylje>	???
09:42	<hylje>	profit
09:42	<Sacro>	hylje: indeed...
09:43	<Sacro>	but i can't find grammer or thesaurus
09:43	<Sacro>	vim7 has a spellchecker
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09:53	<Zuu>	Sacro: Unless you are looking for english your language-files might not be included in the distribution of vim. I'm not sure how I did get Swedish, but then I think I've sellected the vim-full package in apt.
09:53	<Sacro>	all i want is english
09:53	<Zuu>	selected*
09:53	<Zuu>	in your .vimrc:
09:54	<Zuu>	set spelllang=en_us
09:54	<Zuu>	set spell
09:54	<Zuu>	If you want to have F8 for switching spellchecker on/of:
09:54	<Zuu>	map <F8> :set spell!<CR>
09:56	<Sacro>	hmm, it now highlights misspelt words
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10:01	<Ailure>	[16:04][16:04] <Ailure> durrr
10:01	<Ailure>	[16:08][16:08] <hylje> :o
10:01	<Ailure>	anyway full details
10:01	<hylje>	waht
10:01	<Ailure>	annoyed on a stupid classmate who have no idea how SVN works
10:01	<Ailure>	despite that we have to use it
10:01	<Ailure>	and that we went through it severeal lectures before and even with the group on a meeting he wasn't on dsaf
10:02	<Ailure>	and he makes reduant suggestions
10:02	<Ailure>	such as having backups of older revisions before we overwrite stuff x.o
10:02	<Ailure>	There's rollback for a reason
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10:22	<Zuu>	TrueBrain: Is there a reson why IsValidTile no longer works if the argument is equal to null? It simplifies many if-statements if the IsValid..-functions accept null as argument 1.
10:23	<Zuu>	(They should ofcourse return false if null is sent as argument.)
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10:37	<@peter1138>	huh?
10:38	<@peter1138>	IsValidTile takes a TileIndex, which can't be NULL
10:41	<Zuu>	A week ago it worked to send NULL to IsValidTile.. but maybe that is more a language-related thing.
10:41	<Zuu>	I'm currently trying to make it work on a current revsion. :)
10:41	<Zuu>	it = my code
10:42	<@peter1138>	but IsValidTile() takes a value type, not a pointer/struct
10:42	<@peter1138>	so NULL is, er, 0
10:42	<@peter1138>	usually
10:42	<@peter1138>	which is a valid tile
10:45	<Zuu>	As far as I am concerned Squirrel handle null and 0 differently, but I might be wrong, was a week since last I worked with it.
10:47	<Zuu>	But I also understand that if the API have specified integer-type as parameter it might be the squirrel engine that make the script hang on null, and not the OpenTTD C++ functions.
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10:57	<Wolf01>	hello
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11:00	<graeme>	Hi, how do I get the alpine climate in openttd? Ive seen it mentioned and that it works, but it doesn't on mine.
11:01	<Maedhros>	you can't, yet
11:01	<Maedhros>	you can if you either hack openttd or the grf, but the industries won't work anyway
11:01	<graeme>	right
11:02	<graeme>	Ive been looking on the open ttd coop site and a few of there games use it.
11:03	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	last time i tried, it loaded, but did not work very well
11:03	<Maedhros>	since i added proper action b support, it won't load any more
11:03	<graeme>	ahh
11:04	<graeme>	so may as well forget it till new industries are done
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11:05	<Wolf01>	there's somebody who have a bash script for downloading and update ottd nightly?
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11:08	<Sacro>	"The Windows 9.x distribution of GVIM, which is quite possibly the greatest thing to come along since God created the naked girl."
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11:11	<ln->	well said, but what is Windows 9.x?
11:13	<Sacro>	95, 98, ME
11:13	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	but that is windows 4.x, or not?
11:13	<Wolf01>	windows 3.1, 3.11, 95=3.111, 98FE=3.1111... vista 3.eleventyone, i don't know they have 9.x XD
11:14	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	i think win95 claimed to be version 4.0
11:14	<Sacro>	elevnty one?
11:15	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	that's from lotr
11:15	<blathijs>	I think XP or Vista might be windows 9
11:15	<Sacro>	blathijs: i think XP is 6
11:15	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	i believe XP said version 5
11:15	<blathijs>	2k is 5 then?
11:15	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	but that might be version 5 of the NT line
11:15	<Wolf01>	http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinare_la_versione_di_Windows <- is in italian but you can read numbers and names
11:16	<Sacro>	2000 is NT 5.0.2195
11:16	<blathijs>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_Windows_versions
11:16	<Sacro>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_Windows_versions
11:16	<Wolf01>	vista should be 6.0
11:16	<blathijs>	Isn't XP NT 6 then?
11:16	<Sacro>	no, 7
11:16	<Sacro>	XP is 6
11:17	<Sacro>	ooh, it mentions Windows 96
11:17	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	that's probably not correct...
11:17	<ln->	Sacro: where's the dot in 95?
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11:17	<Sacro>	ln-: shrug
11:18	<Wolf01>	Windows XP Professional Edition, for business and power users (Version number: NT 5.1.2600) <- i don't think XP is 6
11:19	<blathijs>	ah
11:19	<Sacro>	ah yes
11:19	<Sacro>	5.1.2600
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11:20	<Wolf01>	my table is more readable: [18:16:03] <Wolf01> http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinare_la_versione_di_Windows <- is in italian but you can read numbers and names
11:20	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	you can view the version in the system properties window
11:20	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	and i already said XP was 5
11:23	<Wolf01>	ok, and now that we know what version is what windows, i want to know how to make a bash script which allow me to download and update automaGically my ottd :P
11:23	<Sacro>	http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/whistler_2250_pro_08.gif
11:23	<Sacro>	pretty
11:24	<Sacro>	Wolf01: start with "!#/bin/sh"
11:24	<Wolf01>	i always thought it was #!
11:24	<Maedhros>	it is ;)
11:26	<@peter1138>	Sacro?
11:26	<Sacro>	peter1138: ?
11:26	<Wolf01>	the problem is that i'm able to do little things like menu with arrays and a whois script which takes the urls from a text file
11:26	<Sacro>	fine, start with #! :)
11:27	<Wolf01>	but i never managed how to work with strings and other things
11:29	<Sacro>	strings are easy
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11:29	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	everything in bash is a string
11:30	<@peter1138>	the pciture... wasn't that interesting...
11:30	<Wolf01>	was nice
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11:31	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	what am i supposed to see on the picture?
11:32	<Sacro>	Eddi\|zuHause2: its just a nice simple login screen
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11:33	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	Wolf01: basically you just need to use wget to load the nightly page, grep for win32, and cut off the href= part
11:33	<Wolf01>	eh, that's simple to say :D
11:34	<Sacro>	just use svn :\
11:34	<Sacro>	cd ~/openttd/trunk && svn up && ./configure && make && cp openttd ../Nightly/openttd && cp lang/english.lng ../Nightly/lang/english.lng
11:35	<Wolf01>	i don't want to make :D
11:35	<@peter1138>	cp?
11:35	<Sacro>	peter1138: indeed
11:35	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	Sacro: that is totally incomplete
11:35	<Sacro>	Eddi\|zuHause2: most likely...
11:36	<Sacro>	it updates nicely, so long as no grfs are changed
11:36	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	you're probably better off to do cp bin/ <wherever> -R
11:37	<Sacro>	ooh
11:37	<Sacro>	its all changed
11:37	<Sacro>	didnt realise
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11:37	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	besides, Wolf01 would probably also have italian.lng :)
11:38	<Sacro>	probably...
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11:53	[~]	Zuu likes "dbg: [misc] Your script made an error: parameter 1 has an invalid type 'null' ; expected: 'integer'" almost as (not) expressive as "access violation". :p
11:57	<Zuu>	And 1000> lines of code where the bug might bee.. :)
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12:01	<Wolf01>	0.5.1-RC3 coming soon?
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12:21	<Zuu>	Is there a way to get stdout and stderr into the same file in the order things are printed out?
12:22	<blathijs>	2>&1 > file IIRC
12:22	<Zuu>	Thanks
12:22	<blathijs>2>&1	less works for me anyway
12:23	<Zuu>	The std-out-file is 120 MB, hehe, so I rather use grep I think :)
12:24	<blathijs>	heh
12:25	<Zuu>	less might not be as bad as vim though, which I first used :p
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12:28	<Mark17>	hello, is it possible to run openttd when you don't have an installation off ttd that can be used? (for example because off a broken cd)
12:29	<Wolf01>	yes, for example if you never had a cd, just look in the forum, you might fint something usefull
12:29	<Sacro>	broken cd eh...
12:32	<Mark17>	Sacro: i did have a cd player that makes it impossible to use the cd in other players
12:33	<Mark17>	Wolf01: thank you
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12:38	<Mark17>	is it possible to make the AI difficult to beat?
12:38	<DaleStan>	Yes. Write a new one.
12:38	<Sacro>	Mark17: yes, unplug your mouse
12:39	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	i have played TTO very successfully without mouse
12:39	<Maedhros>	yeah, alt+arrows to move the mouse was fun
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12:39	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	i really miss that feature
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12:40	<@Belugas>	the thing, Mark17, is that the AI is stupid as it is right now.
12:41	<@Belugas>	there is a new approach underway, but nothing yet exploitable by evryone
12:41	<@Belugas>	so, enjoy your skills at laying network instead :D
12:42	<Mark17>	and i miss an Belugas making a network isn't difficult
12:42	<Mark17>	i did that 5 or 6 years back in ttd and i still do it in openttd
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12:49	<@Belugas>	you miss a belugas??? quite a big creature to miss :D
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12:50	<HMage>	Belugas: did you work any more on inflation bug?
12:51	<@Belugas>	no, although a few discussions on the subjet has been done lately.
12:51	<HMage>	like taming the inflation?
12:52	<@Belugas>	it is not a simple thing to do, since all the commands used by the system have to be raised to 64 bits
12:52	<@Belugas>	you could turn off inflation, for the time being ;)
12:52	<@Belugas>	commands and more, in fact...
12:54	<@Belugas>	anyway, my todo list is quite big, right now :P
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14:34	[~]	Zuu thinks that only one of "Newbies" or "Get Started" should be present at the Main-page as they seam to offer quite similar content and the existance of links to two pages for about the same the same thing on the Main Page is a bit comfusing.
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14:44	<@peter1138>	seem!
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14:51	<Zuu>	peter1138 seems to be aware of the spelling of seem :)
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14:59	<Sacro>	Zuu: indeed he is
15:05	[~]	Sacro finds a GPL violation
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15:31	<HMage>	ROFL (from some stupid website): "Of course, if you suck as a DJ, you will still suck using Deckadance, but you will suck better, faster, harder and more creatively than ever before!"
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15:33	<blathijs>	Sacro: GPL violation?
15:34	<Wolf01>	http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=573170#573170
15:34	<Sacro>	blathijs: yeah, UIQ3 port has no GPL mention and no links to source
15:34	<Wolf01>	he is the gpl paladin :P
15:34	<Sacro>	i know who the author of the code is
15:35	<Wolf01>	stop speaking like yoda
15:36	<Sacro>	i know not of what you speak
15:36	<maad>	:]
15:40	<Zuu>	OpenTTD tries to fill a whole Main Page with what www.freeciv.org manages to sumarize in a small box. Guess what? The box at freeciv.org is much esier to navigate than the OpenTTD Main Page. (including the current new Main Page)
15:40	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	Sacro: that was almost german :p
15:41	<Sacro>	Eddi\|zuHause2: danke
15:42	<Sacro>	indeed... i have traced the location of said binary
15:42	<@peter1138>	Zuu: feel free to make something better
15:43	<Zuu>	peter1138: Yes, I know :)
15:43	<Zuu>	I'm trying :)
15:43	<@peter1138>	fwiw, freeciv's is the website
15:43	<@peter1138>	i hate that use of wikis, heh
15:44	<Zuu>	Yes that is true, but still, trying to fill the whole OpenTTD Main Page with too much links to the left and to the right does not aid anyone.. :)
15:45	<Zuu>	http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/New_Main_Page_side_by_side_layout
15:45	<Zuu>	http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/New_Main_Page_test
15:45	<Zuu>	The first one is a fork of the later one.
15:45	<@peter1138>	hmm, too big
15:45	<@peter1138>	ah, prefer the first
15:46	<@peter1138>	not much different though, heh
15:46	<Zuu>	peter1138: So the first one is by your preferences too big, but still better?
15:46	<@peter1138>	hmm
15:46	<@peter1138>	too big was for the second one
15:46	<@peter1138>	oh, i dunno
15:46	<@peter1138>	the second one looks better, i think
15:47	<Zuu>	I think the first one will give small screens problems, but then similar layout is used by many other pages.
15:47	<@peter1138>	shrug
15:47	<Zuu>	1024x768 probably handles it but less, :/
15:47	<Sacro>	1024x768 should be minimal supported size
15:48	<Sacro>	looks fine at 800x600 thouhg
15:48	<@peter1138>	but damn
15:49	<@peter1138>	i'd like to change that global font
15:49	<@peter1138>	it never gets antialiased ;p
15:49	<Sacro>	hehe
15:50	<Zuu>	Well there is two things, first we have layout: side-by-side or just top-down-layout. Then we have the second problem, that currently all links are hidden in text masses.
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15:51	<Zuu>	One soulution on the second problem is to use bullet-lists, but thet usees quite much vertical space, and would therefor not work good with a top-down layout.
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15:58	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: belugas * r9590 /trunk/src/table/build_industry.h: -Fix(r9550, fs728): some wrongfully entered data caused some industries to appear where they should not have
15:59	<Wolf01>	'night
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16:01	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	is "wrongfully" a word?
16:01	<@peter1138>	it can be
16:02	<Sacro\|Laptop>	but it should never be wrongfully used
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16:03	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	i can't come up with a proper translation, thoug
16:03	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	+h
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16:07	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	hm... http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed§Hdr=on&spellToler=on&search=wrongfully&relink=on <- none of these actually fit that sentence
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16:40	<@peter1138>	do you need a literal translation?
16:49	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	no, i was just wondering
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18:03	<Zuu>	Yay, now there is OpenTTD code on the new Main Page: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/New_Main_Page_test :D :D
18:05	<blathijs>	Zuu: subtle :-)
18:06	<blathijs>	Looks good, btw, that new main page
18:08	<Zuu>	Inspirated by the terminal-icon from Gnome, but not so rounded corners and a bit less glassy look. And OpenTTD code ofcourse :p
18:08	<blathijs>	Hmm, there seems to be no reference to #openttd on the wiki...
18:09	<blathijs>	That should probably be added and linked under both "Development" and "Getting help"
18:09	<blathijs>	but, I'm off to sleep now
18:09	<blathijs>	Gn
18:09	<Zuu>	Gn
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19:49	<Digitalfox[Home]>	Hi everybody :)
19:50	<Digitalfox[Home]>	Belugas, Maedhros or peter1138 found a bug on newhouses support with TTRS 3, new banks don't appear with new grafics, they still appear with the old...
19:56	<Digitalfox[Home]>	http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/Digitalfox/WorldTransport14thFeb1993.png
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