TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2007:04:06

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02:25	<Wolf01>	hello
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02:52	<@peter1138>	moo
02:58	<hylje>	/moo
03:05	<@DorpsGek>	bark bark bark woef woef grrrrr
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06:32	<SDK1985>	hi
06:32	<SDK1985>	I read somewhere about autoreplacement features for old vehicles
06:32	<SDK1985>	where can I enable this?
06:32	<SDK1985>	I have some players that have left and have 20 year old busses..
06:33	<Thomas[NL]>	configure patches :: vehicles :: Autorenew vehicle when it gets old
06:34	<Thomas[NL]>	you can also set the amount of months after/before max age to autoreplace
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06:35	<SDK1985>	thanks
06:36	<Thomas[NL]>	no problem :)
06:38	<SDK1985>	what is review vehicle problems?
06:38	<SDK1985>	*orders
06:46	<SDK1985>	nvr mind
06:46	<SDK1985>	http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Review_orders
06:46	<SDK1985>	:)
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06:46	<SDK1985>	I want to start transporting ore, however they only produce betwen 53 and 153 tons
06:47	<SDK1985>	what should I do? Build 1 train with 14 wagons or 2 with 7?
06:47	<SDK1985>	I ask this because I have seen people get ore production up to 800:s
06:49	<hylje>	usually you should have at least two trains
06:49	<hylje>	and ive seen several industries gone around 2.4k
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07:27	<SDK1985>	wow how to do that:S
07:27	<SDK1985>	2400:S
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07:57	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: belugas * r9569 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Fix(r9567): testing mode leftover...
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11:22	<Ailure[apt]>	Do the min_players variable actually do anything?
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11:22	<hylje>	yes
11:22	<hylje>	it should pause the game when number of players is less than that
11:23	[~]	Wolf01 wonders how much non-used variables are in the sources
11:23	<hylje>	not many i suppose
11:23	<hylje>	gcc whines about those
11:25	<Ailure>	funny though
11:25	<Ailure>	I set it at 1
11:25	<Ailure>	or wait
11:25	<Ailure>	hmm
11:25	<Ailure>	didn't pause
11:25	<Ailure>	or do the server consdier itself a player or not?
11:25	<hylje>	shouldnt
11:26	<Ailure>	not even when I set it to 5
11:26	<Ailure>	join and leave a game
11:26	<Ailure>	...
11:26	<Ailure>	Win32 client here
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11:42	<davis__>	Brianetta , what happened?
11:44	<Brianetta>	What values can land_generator take?
11:45	<@Rubidium>	0 and 1 I think
11:46	<@Rubidium>	the 'original' generator being 0
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12:24	<Digitalfox[Home]>	Anyone here has had a world recession in openttd?
12:24	<Morphy>	no, does it hurt?
12:25	<antichaos>	yes - reduces all industry output by 50% or something
12:25	<Morphy>	ouch
12:25	<Morphy>	what causes it?
12:29	<antichaos>	just random
12:29	<antichaos>	I think
12:30	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: miham * r9570 /trunk/src/lang/ (20 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
12:30	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-04-06 19:21:04
12:30	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 14 fixed by fukumori (14)
12:30	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: bulgarian - 13 fixed by thetitan (10), groupsky (3)
12:30	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: catalan - 13 fixed by arnaullv (13)
12:30	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: czech - 9 fixed by Hadez (9)
12:30	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: dutch - 13 fixed by habell (13)
12:37	<antichaos>	Is there any possibility that the GoodsEntry waiting_acceptance could be recoded in a way that is understandable by mere mortals?
12:38	<Morphy>	no, but I can make you into a vampire... hold on ;-)
12:39	<antichaos>	code like 'ge->waiting_acceptance & 0x8000' or count = GB(ge->waiting_acceptance, 0, 12); is pretty opaque to me
12:40	<antichaos>	especially since there aren't any comments to explain how the bits are used
12:51	<@Rubidium>	well 0..11 are apparantly used for counting the amount of waiting cargo and 12..15 for the amount of accepted cargo. Houses do only accept 'parts' of cargo; for example one house accepts 1/8 passenger, so you need 8 of those houses till it the station starts accepting passengers. Therefore 4 bits and when the highest bit is set there is (at least) 8 * 1/8 passenger acceptance, so the station accepts passengers.
12:51	<@Rubidium>	it's not that hard to decipher
12:53	<@Rubidium>	and just splitting it doesn't make it any more understandable for 'mere mortals'
12:57	<antichaos>	thanks. that helps a bit
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13:48	<antichaos>	I've found a bug in AddText Effect
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13:49	<antichaos>	te->params_1 = GetDParam(0);
13:49	<antichaos>	te->params_2 = GetDParam(4);
13:50	<antichaos>	the second parameter should be GetDParam(1)
13:50	<valhallasw>	yapf is A*, right?
13:53	<antichaos>	unless for some reason you are only expecting to use the second parameter when it has been set as the 5th in a set, which seems odd
13:56	<antichaos>	and as far as I can tell, AddTextEffect is normally only called with one param set
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14:07	<Noldo>	valhallasw: right
14:08	<valhallasw>	okay
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14:41	<antichaos>	ok, this is weird...why is my texteffect showing different text when I'm zoomed out?
14:43	<Ailure>	is it just me
14:44	<Ailure>	or is the game ignoring avaible funds when you clone a vehicle?
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14:46	<antichaos>	ahh - tiny versions of the string needed.
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14:51	<antichaos>	Ailure - if you mean "can you go massively into the red by cloning vehicles?" then yes, I confirm that.
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14:59	<Thomas[NL]>	hmm my nightly does not close nice when not in the main-menu, does not ask for confirmation etc.
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15:06	<Ailure>	antichaos: Ok, heh.
15:06	<Ailure>	Then it wasn't just me :
15:06	<Ailure>	:)
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15:54	<Digitalfox[Home]>	What exactly does "Improved loading algorithm" do?
16:00	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	something like "load only one train"
16:04	<antichaos>	yeah, it means that vehicles will wait to load if there is already a vehicle at the station loading the same cargo
16:06	<Digitalfox[Home]>	and what do you think is best when you have a lot of trains in a station? What is more "optimize" ?
16:07	<Ailure>	From what I seen, improved loading algorithm is good when you have a few trains
16:07	<Ailure>	but it's better to have it off when there's really alot as it can cause a lag sometimes on rally busy stations
16:08	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	yeah, it's not designed to work with gradual loading
16:09	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	so it's only good if you have not enough cargo to fill 2 trains
16:09	<Digitalfox[Home]>	So i can activate gradual loading ( if i know right it loads a wagon at a time for all trains ) and have ILA off?
16:10	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	yeah, they are not depending on each other
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16:10	<UndernotBuilder>	I have an idea for newgrf: newdisasters
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16:39	<antichaos>	Industry budgets and workforce patch updated on the forums
17:08	<Wolf01>	[23:10:45][23:10:45] <UndernotBuilder> I have an idea for newgrf: newdisasters
17:08	<Wolf01>	just put new- prefix before a word.... newidea!
17:08	<valhallasw>	newPod?
17:08	<valhallasw>	newBook
17:09	<valhallasw>	newTunes :)
17:09	<UndernotBuilder>	antichaos: can you split the Industry budgets patch into industry budgets and workforce?
17:10	<UndernotBuilder>	for those don't want industry budgets or workforce
17:10	<antichaos>	It's written so that you can enable one, or the other, or both
17:11	<Wolf01>	like me, workforce is a very good idea to make the game more realistic, but budgets remind me sim city, and i'm not good at sim city :D
17:12	<antichaos>	you can play with workforce but without budgets.
17:13	<antichaos>	though I haven't tested that combination much, so there may be weirdness.
17:13	<Wolf01>	(i never managed how to play sim city, i can play for about 10 years and then i lose, if only there is somebody who knows well how to play it...)
17:16	<Sacro\|Laptop>	i can do SC4
17:16	<Sacro\|Laptop>	never managed SC2000 though
17:16	<Sacro\|Laptop>	on SC4 my biggest city is around 86k
17:16	<valhallasw>	erm, has NTP got issues with high CPU load for ships?
17:16	<valhallasw>	that was only with NPF/YAPF iirc?
17:17	<Sacro\|Laptop>	hmm, dunno, i thought NTP was trains only
17:17	<antichaos>	ok, so I want to store a list of the industries that are near each station. Is is better to store an array or pointers to Industries, or an array of IndustryIDs?
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17:35	<UndernotBuilder>	also will be good for workforce that the passengers return from work, not only goes
17:36	<antichaos>	yeah, I wondered about that. I just think that might make things too easy
17:37	<antichaos>	I just imagine that all the workers die in industrial accidents
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17:38	<UndernotBuilder>	are you able to code that anti?
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17:39	<antichaos>	yes, its pretty simple
17:41	<antichaos>	Maybe I'll make a separate patch option for it.
17:45	<antichaos>	not tonight though. Have a good weekend all.
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17:56	<HMage>	hehehe
17:57	<HMage>	aircraft cost just became negative
17:57	<HMage>	http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g230/Essinth/Transcraft24thSep2067.png
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18:07	<HMage>	glx: http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g230/Essinth/Transcraft24thSep2067.png
18:08	<+glx>	hmm??
18:10	<Wolf01>	negative cost
18:10	<Wolf01>	and unhappy font
18:10	<Wolf01>	:P
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18:14	<UndernotBuilder>	so if you buy one you win money?
18:14	<UndernotBuilder>	better than free :)
18:20	<UndernotBuilder>	http://homepage.mac.com/jbadcock/openttd/splash_screen_new2.png <- I want it without the singleplayer button and multiplayer button along with new, load, build, etc.
18:29	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	that is a very old mockup
18:29	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	i'm not sure that is the way it's going
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18:36	<@Belugas>	HMage, would you be kind enough to indicate which grf are you using?
18:37	<HMage>	that aircraft -- aviators aircraft
18:37	<HMage>	but this bug manifests itself in other places
18:38	<+glx>	inflation overflow is a known problem
18:38	<HMage>	like, funding oil rig costs -2076951296
18:38	<HMage>	I couldn't find in that bug flyspray
18:39	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	but 40M is kind of a small value for an overflow
18:49	<Wolf01>	'night all
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18:57	<Sacro>	sounds like pb_av8
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19:09	<+glx>	[01:38:58][01:38:58] <HMage> I couldn't find in that bug flyspray <-- you finally found it :) (FS#546)
19:11	<HMage>	yup
19:11	<HMage>	searching for money didn't give many open issues
19:13	<HMage>	"Search for: money." "sorry, couldn't find money"
19:20	<@Belugas>	insane... a 3 BILLION aircraft
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19:37	<@Belugas>	tumdedummm
19:37	<@Belugas>	http://devs.openttd.org/~belugas/Shadow_Transport.png
19:48	<Sacro>	Belugas: costly
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20:08	<Hypno>	hi :)
20:08	<Hypno>	Someone with some experience with linux + openttd? :b
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20:12	<Sacro\|Laptop>	me
20:12	<Hypno>	:/
20:12	<Hypno>	how to i make the map "very flat" through the .cfg? iam starting with -D :/
20:13	<Sacro\|Laptop>	errr... not sure
20:13	<Hypno>	:(
20:13	<+glx>	it's one of the diff_custom values IIRC
20:14	<Hypno>	!
20:14	<Hypno>	<3 glx
20:14	<Hypno>	found it now :)
20:15	<Hypno>	btw glx, how the i set how "big" the map should be in # x #
20:16	<Hypno>	map_y and x dosent seem to work
20:16	<+glx>	map_x and map_y in [patches]
20:16	<Hypno>	ty
20:16	<+glx>	size is 2^map_x 2^map_y
20:16	<Hypno>	ohhhhh
20:16	<Hypno>	that explain what it did fuck up before
20:16	<Hypno>	:D
20:17	<+glx>	min 6, max 11
20:17	<Hypno>	does it exist any "pause" function when not ppl is playing on the server?
20:17	<+glx>	yes
20:17	<Hypno>	what cmd is that then ? :b
20:18	<+glx>	min_players in [network]
20:19	<+glx>	"Automatically pause the game when the number of active players passes below the given amount"
20:19	<Hypno>	okay
20:20	<Hypno>	that command doesnt exist in the wiki >_<
20:20	<+glx>	many variables are missing :)
20:20	<Hypno>	grrr
20:21	<Hypno>	ait
20:21	<Hypno>	last question glx, should i run the dedicated server with root ?
20:21	<Hypno>	:o
20:22	<+glx>	I'm not a linux specialist, but it's not recommended to run it as root (for security)
20:23	<Hypno>	But :/ the only .cfg i can found is at /root/.openttd/openttd.cfg
20:23	<Hypno>	does it exist some command when i start it like "./openttd -D /home/hypno/openttd.cfg?
20:24	<+glx>	openttd -D -c path/to/openttd.cfg
20:24	<Hypno>	:)
20:24	<Hypno>	ty m8
20:24	<+glx>	there's also -g path/to/savegame.sav
20:24	<Hypno>	ait :)
20:24	<+glx>	-g works for scenarii too
20:25	<Sacro\|Laptop>	openttd -c /dev/urandom ...
20:25	[~]	glx slaps Sacro\|Laptop
20:25	<Sacro\|Laptop>	glx: could be interesting
20:26	<+glx>	Hypno: anyway openttd -h is useful to know the command line switches :)
20:29	<Hypno>	yea
20:29	<Hypno>	big thx for the help :]]]
20:31	<Hypno>	btw, what is "seed" ? :s
20:31	<+glx>	used to generate land
20:31	<Hypno>	oki ;O
20:31	<Hypno>	many question 8]]] /newbie
20:32	<Brianetta>	Sacro: You folded
20:32	<Brianetta>	Your little railcar died
20:36	<Sacro\|Laptop>	Brianetta: i noticed
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20:39	<Hypno>	glx:does it exist any way to make more flat then diff ?
20:39	<Hypno>	its still kinda "mounty" still when i got the terrain type "very low"
20:40	<+glx>	diff_level = 3 ?
20:41	<Hypno>	diff level ?
20:42	<+glx>	0->easy, 1->medium, 2->hard, 3->custom (=use diff_custom)
20:43	<Hypno>	w8 ,should try it
20:47	<Hypno>	bah
20:47	<Hypno>	:/
20:47	<Hypno>	glx: still kinda rocky
20:47	<Hypno>	:(
20:48	<Hypno>	rocky = mountains*
20:57	<Hypno>	grrr
20:57	<Hypno>	starting to get angry on this >;[gief flat evil ttd
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22:07	<HMage>	Belugas: oh wow. Must be a costly thing :)
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