TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#openttd:2007:04:02

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02:35	<Wolf01>	hello
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05:14	<`Alex`>	hi all!
05:15	<`Alex`>	can somone tell me the exact ratio for train engine power: weight
05:18	<hylje>	it's somewhat the same as IRL
05:21	<`Alex`>	really? great
05:22	<`Alex`>	and what is the physics formula for 100% friction?
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05:34	<Biff>	100% friction?
05:34	<Biff>	oh, he left
05:56	<valhallasw>	100% friction? F_\textrm{friction}=\infty ?
05:56	<hylje>	yay, tex
05:56	<valhallasw>	:)
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06:35	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: maedhros * r9543 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
06:35	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#691]: Split up STR_ENGINE_NOT_BUILDABLE into four strings so it can be
06:35	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: translated properly and remove "buildable", since it isn't actually a word.
06:37	<Wolf01>	i always thought that in english was sufficient to add -able -ly etc to a word to make a new word with sense :P
06:39	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: maedhros * r9544 /trunk/src/lang/ (34 files in 2 dirs): -Cleanup (r9543): Remove unused strings.
06:40	<Maedhros>	Wolf01: :)
06:46	<roboboy>	with the port option in the cfg, does that change the client port or the server port?
06:47	<Wolf01>	if i remember well, both
06:49	<tkoskine>	ispell suggests "how about: build able, build-able" and both answer.com and thefreedictionary.com seem to know buildable.
06:50	<tkoskine>	s/answer/answers/
06:51	<Maedhros>	mm, those are probably american dictionaries though
06:52	<roboboy>	the only one it lists in the cfg is 3979 which seems o be the server port so thats the one I want to be able to change i think
06:53	[~]	roboboy bed soon
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07:00	<roboboy>	gnight
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07:07	<Biff>	bah, 2048x2048 is huuuge
07:07	<Biff>	wonder if i'll ever manage to build the whole map
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07:28	<peter1138>	unlikely
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08:09	<@Belugas>	hello
08:10	<Wolf01>	hi
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08:20	<Thomas[NL]>	on http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Suggestions it is stated that signal-autocomplete is included into trunk. Is this wrong, because I can't find it in the latest nightly.
08:21	<Thomas[NL]>	oh they mean the current behaviour with Drag and Drop..
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08:33	<Maedhros>	someone seems to have misunderstood, or just not read the link they used as justification
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09:20	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: belugas * r9545 /trunk/src/ (aircraft.h aircraft_cmd.cpp newgrf_config.cpp): -Documentation: Some corrections to previous doxygen work
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10:02	<Thomas[NL]>	I get an error while compiling latest nightly: [SRC] Compiling ai/default/default.cpp
10:02	<Thomas[NL]>	/home/###/openttd/src/ai/default/../../aircraft.h:74: error: expected ‘,’ or ‘...’ before ‘*’ token
10:02	<Thomas[NL]>	make[1]: *** [ai/default/default.o] Error 1
10:02	<Thomas[NL]>	make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/###/openttd/objs/release'
10:02	<Thomas[NL]>	make: *** [all] Error 2
10:02	<Thomas[NL]>	revision 9545
10:03	<@Rubidium>	latest nightly?
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10:03	<@Rubidium>	that would've been r9542
10:03	<Thomas[NL]>	svn
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10:06	<peter1138>	heh
10:06	<peter1138>	avi* indeed :p
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10:08	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: rubidium * r9546 /trunk/src/aircraft.h: -Fix (r9545): several typos...
10:09	<@Rubidium>	Thomas[NL]: retry ;)
10:10	<Thomas[NL]>	fixed :)
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10:20	<@Belugas>	sorry
10:20	<@Belugas>	my fault
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10:29	<Digitalfox[Work]>	This is not a big thing, but when building a tunnel in a very large map like 1024 * 1024 or more, and using shift for previewing the money that will be spend on buying it it only goes to € 800,002,678, after this value the distance doesn't mind anymore, maybe this is a hard coed
10:30	<Digitalfox[Work]>	hard coded value, but it would be nice if it gave more preview
10:30	<Jezral>	Probably an integer max.
10:31	<Digitalfox[Work]>	yeah
10:31	<Digitalfox[Work]>	By the way what's the max value for money? Is it also this value the 800,etc..
10:32	<Jezral>	I'd expect the max to be 4294967296 in whatever is the base currency.
10:33	<peter1138>	signed, so half that
10:33	<Jezral>	Oh right, you can go negative in TTD...
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10:42	<peter1138>	Jezral, it's also stored in 64 bits for the main values...
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10:43	<Jezral>	Ah
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12:12	<Maedhros>	grr, why must it be some complicated to stop towns building roads?
12:12	<Maedhros>	s/me//
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12:51	<edeca>	I've got 2 rails going into a station with a waypoint on each. 1/2 the trains are set to waypoint 1, 1/2 are waypoint 2. But if the queue is full, trains take the other track whichi can muck things up, any easy way to improve it/
12:59	<Zuu>	edeca: How far is the waypoints from where the rail split into two?
12:59	<edeca>	Just after it
12:59	<edeca>	I have played with signals before/after and such
13:00	<Zuu>	Try move the split away a few signal-blocks.
13:00	<edeca>	Oh, interesting!
13:00	<edeca>	I'm just expanding the station anyway
13:00	<Zuu>	I don't know if that fixes it, I've not used waipoints that way much recently.
13:01	<edeca>	I've never used them before
13:01	<Zuu>	Sometimes I split a station in two, but never have had the problem that a train went to the wrong station.
13:02	<Zuu>	That is one station for raw-meterial to an industry and another for the output from the industry.
13:03	<edeca>	I've just expanded it anyway, I figure I have to do something with the first few millions
13:03	<edeca>	After this it's easy anyway :)
13:03	<edeca>	Just the pesky council to deal with
13:03	<Zuu>	But I can't see why doing it with waypoints would not work. Other than that YPAF chooses the "wrong" way because the track is blocked, but I'm surprised it does that.
13:04	<edeca>	Oh, I'm using NPF with a patched openttd, I love shared signal blocks too much
13:07	[~]	edeca gives up on waypoints for nwo
13:07	<edeca>	I'm off out too, thanks for your help Zuu
13:14	<Zuu>	edeca: You're welcome
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13:31	<Digitalfox[Home]>	Maedhros: Are you workingh on option to stop towns building roads?
13:33	<Maedhros>	Digitalfox[Home]: i'm having a go, yeah
13:33	<Digitalfox[Home]>	Cool :)
13:35	<Digitalfox[Home]>	And what do you think of this idea also??
13:35	<Digitalfox[Home]>	http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=30972&start=0
13:35	<gravitone>	towns should become a bit more complex in my opinion
13:36	<Maedhros>	i'm not desperately interested, personally
13:36	<Maedhros>	but i'll have a look at how it works
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14:38	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: miham * r9547 /trunk/src/lang/ (13 files): (log message trimmed)
14:38	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-04-02 21:37:30
14:38	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 2 fixed by tucalipe (2)
14:38	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: bulgarian - 2 fixed by thetitan (2)
14:38	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: catalan - 2 fixed by arnaullv (2)
14:38	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: czech - 6 fixed by Hadez (6)
14:38	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: dutch - 2 fixed by habell (2)
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14:47	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: miham * r9548 /trunk/src/lang/ (brazilian_portuguese.txt norwegian_bokmal.txt): [Translations] -Fix: Fixed empty strings added by WT2 [note to self: really should fix this old bug in WT2]
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15:10	<Thomas[NL]>	why does svn co -r 9546 not work?
15:11	<@Rubidium>	did you specify what to check out?
15:13	<Thomas[NL]>	sigh, sorry for being stupid :)
15:13	<peter1138>	that's ok, you can't help it
15:13	<peter1138>	ducks
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15:14	<Wolf01>	'nigth
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15:56	<Smoovious>	um... heads-up... vulnerability found in flyspray... http://secunia.com/advisories/24702/
16:02	<peter1138>	"can be exploited to display project summaries of private projects"
16:02	<peter1138>	heh
16:03	<@Rubidium>	sounds quite different from "Performing actions as admin without password"
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16:03	<ada`ubuntu>	hey all
16:04	<ada`ubuntu>	first of all Id like to say a huge thanks to all developers for this game, found it today, I was always a big fan of TTD even played it last year :)
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16:12	<Digitalfox[Home]>	ada`ubuntu: I'm not a developer, but has a user i hope you have a lot of fun with openttd, welcome to this comunity :)
16:13	<ada`ubuntu>	just played an hour with it and honestly, I would never imagine a game with 10 year old engine can amuse me that much :)
16:13	<ada`ubuntu>	browsing wiki for GRF and other stuff, hundreds of new stuffs need to learn
16:14	<Digitalfox[Home]>	:)
16:14	<ada`ubuntu>	and thanks hehe :)
16:15	<ada`ubuntu>	yesterday I got the Transport Giant I wanted some tycoon action, but after 1 hour of playing I was sick, nice gfx but stpd control, stpd AI. <3 openttd :)
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16:15	[~]	Rubidium advices to turn of the AI in OpenTTD ;)
16:16	[~]	Rubidium rather advices to play with 'intelligent' opponents, i.e. multiplayer ;)
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16:17	<ada`ubuntu>	first of all I need to learn controlling this new game, then you multiplayer :)Ö
16:17	<Smoovious>	but the advanced ai is good if you wanna generate lots of road traffic to run d own. :)
16:17	<Smoovious>	it only makes road vehicles
16:18	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	the complete AI system is being overhauled
16:19	<Smoovious>	yeah, and i'm so looking forward to that
16:19	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	in the NoAI branch, everything concerning the old AI is ripped out, and a new AI interface is being created, then "anyone" can script an AI, and plug it into the interface
16:20	<Smoovious>	end up having different ai companies with different personalities
16:20	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	"AI with multiple personality disorder" :)
16:20	<ada`ubuntu>	sounds good
16:21	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	reminds me of the film "identity" ;)
16:21	<ada`ubuntu>	btw a quick question, in what cases its possible to have an aircraft crashed?
16:22	<ada`ubuntu>	too small airport?
16:23	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	random chance when landing
16:23	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	small airport increases that chance drastically
16:24	<ada`ubuntu>	saw there are a lot good stuffs about autoreaplacing when too old and stuff, is it possible to either autoreplace a crashed plane or 'clone' its destinations?
16:26	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	yes, click on the hangar, there is a button "clone vehicle", then click on the crashed vehicle, it will copy the orders
16:26	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	(ctrl+click will share orders)
16:26	<ada`ubuntu>	cheers :)
16:38	<ada`ubuntu>	Downloaded the newstations grf file from its homepage, added to the conf file and even loaded it ingame but no change - old stations are the same
16:39	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	no, it only affects new stations
16:39	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	it's probably better to add grfs with the ingame menu
16:40	<ada`ubuntu>	when its asking that it can crash blabla?
16:40	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	what?
16:41	<ada`ubuntu>	ok well :) copied into data/newgrf editet config file as the wiki told me to, gone ingame and loaded in the main menu and even tried in the ingame menu
16:41	<ada`ubuntu>	but both same effects: old and new stations models are the same
16:41	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	the wiki is probably out of date
16:42	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	if you load a savegame, the config file is ignored, it loads the same grfs it was saved with
16:42	<ada`ubuntu>	ah
16:42	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	load the game, and then modify grfs with the gui
16:43	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	some grfs (that do not alter gameplay) can be put into [newgrf-static] section, it will then automatically be "force-loaded", no matter what the savegame says
16:44	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	for example catenary grfs, or tree grfs
16:44	<Eddi\|zuHause2>	that won't work with stations, though
16:45	<ada`ubuntu>	its working now if I start a new game
16:45	<ada`ubuntu>	so im unable to force old savegames to use new grfs?
16:46	<peter1138>	use the gui in game
16:46	<ada`ubuntu>	wee working :)
16:48	<ada`ubuntu>	'Tardtown' :)
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16:56	<peter1138>	g'night
16:57	<ada`ubuntu>	leaving aswell thanks for the help and goodnight
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19:01	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: belugas * r9549 /trunk/src/newgrf_callbacks.h: -Codechange: Add definition of callbacks and callback masks for both industries and industry tiles
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19:14	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: belugas * r9550 /trunk/src/ (industry.h table/build_industry.h):
19:14	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: -Codechange: Add notion and data of industry appearing chances, both in game and in creation mode.
19:14	<CIA-2>	OpenTTD: Not used yet.
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19:33	<Nakilon>	hi
19:34	<Nakilon>	i have a question...
19:34	<Nakilon>	does building "headquarters" increase my rating in town where i'll build it?
19:35	<Nakilon>	or maybe increase rating on stations of this town?
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20:44	<Nakilon>	one more question
20:44	<Nakilon>	what about more languages on http://wiki.openttd.org/?
20:45	<Nakilon>	for example, translate articles in russian ?
20:45	<Nakilon>	as i can see, there is only english version of wiki.openttd.org
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