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| 00:02 | <Captain_Murdoch> | odd, mythbackend things that stdin is not a tty when I run it from the command line. |
| 00:07 | <Captain_Murdoch> | perhaps the "close(0);" line in mythbackend/main.cpp right before the DB upgrade check. |
| 00:07 | <kormoc> | That likely would do it |
| 00:09 | <Captain_Murdoch> | :) yeah. has to wait for a commit though until I finish commiting sphery's DB schema check in another minute or two. |
| 00:16 | <Captain_Murdoch> | much nicer.... Shall I upgrade this database? [yes] first time I've ever seen that question. |
| 00:18 | <kormoc> | you know |
| 00:18 | <kormoc> | it'd be nice to have a flag like --do-not-auto-update-db so init scripts can by default not do the update |
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| 00:21 | <Captain_Murdoch> | if they don't upgrade, then they can't run because we can't let a newer binary talk to an older DB and guarantee things work. |
| 00:21 | <kormoc> | true |
| 00:22 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I think the new DB backup before an upgrade resolves the main concern with the auto-upgrades. |
| 00:22 | * | kormoc nods |
| 00:22 | <GreyFoxx> | Man, I hope those Hauppage HD PVR's turn out to be all that the various articles claim |
| 00:23 | <GreyFoxx> | That could be pretty sweet if they are solid units |
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| 00:24 | * | j-rod kicks mac os x... |
| 00:27 | <j-rod> | something wonky in my env, or should there be a '#include <sys/types.h>' in libs/libmythfreesurround/freesurround.h ? |
| 00:27 | * | j-rod is building his own os x packages for the first time ever... |
| 00:32 | <j-rod> | fuckit, easy change to revert if someone doesn't like it, and it worksforme... |
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| 00:34 | <j-rod> | suck. another header issue... |
| 00:34 | * | j-rod wonders if anyone actually builds on os x regularly and/or if they do it w/the latest xcode and so on... |
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| 00:42 | <j-rod> | yeargh. and now firewire support pukes on the latest apple firewire sdk bits... |
| 00:43 | <xris> | j-rod: wow, you're on in the evening |
| 00:51 | <j-rod> | trying to catch up a bit |
| 00:51 | <j-rod> | been sick for four days |
| 00:51 | <xris> | kormoc: ah |
| 00:51 | <j-rod> | (to make it extra-extra-fun, wife and kids all got sick too, and are still sick) |
| 00:51 | <xris> | kormoc: I'm wondering if that LANG pixmap issue might be a problem with strtotime() interpreting things in a weird timezone or something. |
| 00:51 | <xris> | ick |
| 00:51 | <kormoc> | Ooh, that's a thought |
| 00:52 | <kormoc> | Ick |
| 00:52 | <kormoc> | I'm getting sick myself : |
| 00:52 | <kormoc> | :/ |
| 00:52 | <xris> | j-rod: at least you can compile stuff in osx.. no qt 3 for leopard last I checked |
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| 00:52 | <j-rod> | xris: this is on 10.5.1 :) |
| 00:52 | <xris> | how'd you get qt3-mac installed? |
| 00:52 | <j-rod> | :) |
| 00:52 | <xris> | it wouldn't compile for me |
| 00:53 | <j-rod> | there's a patch attached to a macports.org trac page somewhere |
| 00:53 | <j-rod> | er, linked, from here: http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/macports/ticket/13208 |
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| 00:54 | <xris> | must be updated. the one I tried failed |
| 00:54 | <j-rod> | not sure what the later problems some people were reporting are, I didn't hit those |
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| 00:55 | <j-rod> | just that patch, and everything built fine (using 'port install foo' for everything, fwiw) |
| 00:55 | <xris> | yeah, I was trying to do that, and was going to update the wiki with "how to install using macports" |
| 00:56 | <xris> | how do you compile something in port with a patch? |
| 00:56 | <j-rod> | 'port install qt3-mac' ... watch it fail... |
| 00:56 | <j-rod> | 'patch -p1 -d /opt/local/var/macports/build/qt3-mac-or-something < patch' |
| 00:57 | <j-rod> | 'port install qt3-mac' and watch it work. :) |
| 00:57 | <xris> | ah |
| 00:57 | <j-rod> | might be a more official way to do it, had never used macports before today |
| 00:57 | <j-rod> | fink in the past, but its been quite a while |
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| 00:59 | <xris> | man, what a mess: sudo patch -p0 -d /opt/local/var/macports/build/_opt_local_var_macports_sources_rsync.macports.org_release_ports_aqua_qt3-mac/work/ < qt3mac.patch2 |
| 01:00 | <xris> | kormoc: guess I could just parse that date string by hand. probably faster to use a regex and mktime() |
| 01:01 | <xris> | or not. it uses string format. blech: Fri Jan 25 21:40:49 2008 |
| 01:02 | <kormoc> | hrm |
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| 01:02 | <xris> | j-rod: thanks for that. seems like it might work this time. |
| 01:03 | <j-rod> | np |
| 01:03 | <xris> | should we put that into the wiki? |
| 01:03 | <j-rod> | probably |
| 01:03 | <xris> | kormoc: some sort of glitch in the recorded programs list... the menus don't pick up the program name from the cookie. |
| 01:04 | <xris> | I'm showing only "good eats" (or whatever) but the menu says "all" |
| 01:05 | <j-rod> | xris: two header issues I've hit, I checked in build fixes for already, but there was also a library path issue due to multiple libJPEG.dylib versions installed -- one from macports, one from xcode or something |
| 01:05 | <j-rod> | just need to set DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH appropriately to take care of the libJPEG thing |
| 01:06 | <j-rod> | whole host of undefined symbols from the DarwinFirewireDevice bits is what I'm prodding now... |
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| 01:06 | <Assid> | heya |
| 01:07 | <kormoc> | xris, hrm. I need to rewrite that dropdown anyway, id="blah blah" isn't valid :/ |
| 01:08 | <Assid> | err.. can i get mythtv to get me the db level in my rf cable ? |
| 01:10 | <kormoc> | that's more controlled by the tuner driver |
| 01:11 | <Assid> | cant we "spy" on it ? |
| 01:11 | <j-rod> | ah well. I give up for tonight. Different OS, same story: FireWire 1, j-rod 0. |
| 01:11 | <kormoc> | if the driver exposes it in a way that you can, then yes |
| 01:12 | <kormoc> | j-rod, sad |
| 01:12 | <j-rod> | (actually, I've been getting quite a few firewire wins lately, but they're in the storage realm, still slacking on getting back to the video side...) |
| 01:13 | * | j-rod disappears 'til morning... |
| 01:13 | <Assid> | i think my wiring is bad.. thats why.. i get free to air channels on my tv tuner.. and my digital box sends some video on a certain uhf frequency.. that comes HORRIBLE. if i move the box near the computer and use composite cables.. the quality is better using composite input |
| 01:14 | * | kormoc waves |
| 01:14 | <Assid> | the box monitors quality and strength .. so it shows me .. and it just drops every now and then (quality) |
| 01:15 | <Assid> | i have a 3db attenuator (back from the day i used to use cable modem) thinking if that might help |
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| 03:07 | <Balachmar> | Hi, I have been posting on the mailinglist about last.fm integration in MythTV. |
| 03:08 | <Balachmar> | Now some guy has already put some work integrating it into his own unofficial MythStreamer plugin. |
| 03:08 | <Balachmar> | But I think, this should either be a separate plugin, or be integrated with MythMusic. |
| 03:08 | <Balachmar> | What would the devvers here say about this? |
| 03:09 | <justinh> | I's say it's up to you but IMHO integrated into mythmusic would be best. |
| 03:10 | * | hads agrees |
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| 03:12 | <justinh> | <3 Mythmusic more than mythstream, any day of the week. never got mythstream to work, fwiw |
| 03:13 | <Balachmar> | :) |
| 03:14 | <Balachmar> | I never even noticed mythstream... |
| 03:14 | <justinh> | unofficial stuff tends to be more 'under the radar' |
| 03:14 | <Balachmar> | Well, then I have a little thingy with MythMusic, which is that it goes straight into the playlist |
| 03:14 | <Balachmar> | @justinh: true and not in the repos... |
| 03:15 | <Balachmar> | And the playlist editing in MythMusic is rather weird, well my girlfriend still has some trouble with it |
| 03:15 | <Balachmar> | But maybe it would be better if lastfm would get it's own menu item in media library? |
| 03:15 | <justinh> | my wife has been creating playlists on the sly. |
| 03:16 | <Balachmar> | on the sly? |
| 03:16 | <justinh> | without my help ;) |
| 03:16 | <Balachmar> | ooh ok :) |
| 03:17 | <rooaus> | Balachmar: Personally I would take the approach that had the greatest chance of being added to the main project. It is a lot of ongoing work to maintain it out of tree. |
| 03:17 | <justinh> | she claims she finds mythtv really hard to use (not just mythmusic) but the stuff she does with it says otherwise - andthe fact she raves about it to everybody she knows ;) |
| 03:17 | <rooaus> | Look at Eskil's shoutcast patch, the mythmusic miniplayer changes broke it and it is yet to be updated. |
| 03:17 | <Balachmar> | @rooaus: I agree, not only because of the work, but also because of the amount of people who would use it |
| 03:17 | * | justinh agrees with rooaus bit is sure Balachmar knows that's not necessarily the easiest way |
| 03:18 | <justinh> | s/bit/but |
| 03:18 | <Balachmar> | I would gladly try to develop the new feature as an extension to the main project |
| 03:18 | <Balachmar> | That is why I come here to discuss the best way, to make sure it has a reasonable change to get in there |
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| 03:20 | <Balachmar> | But would it be possible/acceptable that MythMusic creates two menu entries in media library |
| 03:20 | <kormoc> | Balachmar, there's actually been a little work done already towards last.fm in mythmusic (not counting a track as played until it followed their rules) |
| 03:20 | <Balachmar> | One for the normal playlist, the other specifically for Last.FM |
| 03:21 | <Balachmar> | @kormoc, well, that is somewhat different than what I want, that is "just" scrobbling |
| 03:21 | <Balachmar> | Which should be a bit easier... |
| 03:21 | <kormoc> | ooh, you mean last.fm radio |
| 03:21 | <Balachmar> | yep |
| 03:21 | <Balachmar> | Because I really like to listen to my playlist and recommendations and stuff |
| 03:22 | <Balachmar> | So that is why I think the lastfm Radio should have it's own menu item |
| 03:22 | <Balachmar> | (But the scrobbling could be added along with the lastfm radio support ofcourse |
| 03:22 | <Balachmar> | ) |
| 03:23 | <justinh> | I'm not sure putting last.fm stuff outside of the main area would be a popular idea. I can imagine that people want to be able to switch without leaving the plugin |
| 03:23 | <kormoc> | I didn't know they allowed you to use something other then their official player |
| 03:23 | <Balachmar> | @kormoc they do, it is all just using webservices |
| 03:24 | <justinh> | as far as scrobbling is concerned - that'd almost be trivial to add compared to the radio bit |
| 03:24 | <Balachmar> | "just" I haven't really looked into it yet, but a friend of mine is admin @lastfm |
| 03:24 | <Balachmar> | true |
| 03:25 | <Balachmar> | Well, we should have a lastfm configuration bit in the music configuration |
| 03:25 | <Balachmar> | for the username and password |
| 03:25 | <justinh> | yeah having that on a separate config screen is a good idea IMHO |
| 03:25 | <Balachmar> | thanks :) |
| 03:26 | <Balachmar> | I just think it should be in the music configuration, that is where I would expect it |
| 03:26 | <Balachmar> | Since it should be in the mythmusic plugin :) |
| 03:27 | <Balachmar> | But then listening to the lastfm radio. |
| 03:27 | <Balachmar> | Maybe we could add another button (5) next to visualization, and make that go to the last.fm menu |
| 03:28 | <Balachmar> | And that menu would have options such as neighborhood radio, My playlist, recommendations and stuff? |
| 03:29 | <hads> | Making it specific to one web service like that probably isn't a great idea. |
| 03:30 | <justinh> | hwo similar is the radio stream to other online radio services? |
| 03:31 | <Balachmar> | Well, that is a good question, I don't know how similar it is, but the other gut from MythStream will know. |
| 03:31 | <Balachmar> | But that doesn't really matter menu wise, we could call it webradio |
| 03:31 | <Balachmar> | And have last.fm be in there |
| 03:32 | <Balachmar> | And maybe later other webradio's, but most other webradio's work with just url's. |
| 03:32 | <justinh> | yeah urls pointing to .m3u files which are very simple to parse |
| 03:33 | <Balachmar> | In last.fm you have some more specific things, like the neighborhood and stuff (which are also url's, but you have more for one user) |
| 03:34 | <Balachmar> | But how do you feel about putting webradio in a menu that you can acces by pressing 5 |
| 03:34 | <Balachmar> | (And that webradio will at first mean only lastfm, but maybe more added later) |
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| 03:35 | <justinh> | well, if you get lastfm worky maybe it'd be trivial to add others |
| 03:35 | <Balachmar> | that is what I am hoping for, or maybe the guy from Mythstream could help with that |
| 03:35 | <Balachmar> | At least I think he wouldn't mind if his code will be used more widely :) |
| 03:36 | <justinh> | I don't know much about how mythstream works but they had a good idea to make the parsers external so that updates can be done without changing source code |
| 03:36 | <Balachmar> | True, but in any case the parsing stuff should be in another place than the menu integration stuff |
| 03:37 | <Balachmar> | a bit Model Control View idea |
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| 03:40 | <justinh> | I can't remember if the mythmusic buttons can be purely image buttons or not. my concern is being able to fit a text button saying 'online radio' or whatever in a theme |
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| 03:41 | <Balachmar> | I share that concern, that was why I thought it might be a better idea to add a webradio menu item in media library |
| 03:41 | <Balachmar> | But then people would have to leave mythmusic to listen to webradio |
| 03:41 | <justinh> | to me it doesn't matter if it's a button on the main screen or within the menu which is invoked with the menu key within the plugin |
| 03:41 | <Balachmar> | But then again, your playlist wouldn't work once you start listening to webradio anyway |
| 03:42 | <kormoc> | Well, what would be best is just have different playlists |
| 03:42 | <kormoc> | I have my list of playlists and I add in a last.fm - friends one, then it just magically works |
| 03:42 | <Balachmar> | Yeah, add some predefined playlists |
| 03:42 | <kormoc> | or I add in a insert blah here |
| 03:43 | <kormoc> | so then the only specific thing to code UI wise is playlist editors |
| 03:43 | <Balachmar> | and when you create a new playlist one could say it is a webradio, normal or lastfm |
| 03:43 | <kormoc> | yup |
| 03:43 | <Balachmar> | kormoc I love that idea |
| 03:44 | <Balachmar> | And maybe have the lastfm stuff appear automagically when a username and password has been given in the configuration |
| 03:44 | * | kormoc nods |
| 03:45 | <justinh> | is scrobbling ever optional with lastfm stuff? |
| 03:45 | <Balachmar> | with the lastfm radio it is obligatory I think.... |
| 03:45 | <Balachmar> | Let me try in the player |
| 03:45 | <justinh> | don't want the world to know my wife has been playing Eminem on my account :P |
| 03:45 | <kormoc> | heh |
| 03:46 | <Balachmar> | ghe ghe |
| 03:46 | <Balachmar> | no, scrobbling is not obligatory |
| 03:46 | <Balachmar> | so that is an option in the config |
| 03:46 | <kormoc> | justinh, imagine my surprise when as someone who is often viewed as a classic rock guy, my most played band is Garbage :P |
| 03:46 | <justinh> | heh |
| 03:46 | <kormoc> | Of course, I hold to that it's all due to the cute redhead! |
| 03:46 | <hads> | In amarok you can add a last.fm stream to your playlist FWIW |
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| 03:47 | <Balachmar> | Well, if MythMusic would then allow playlist to contain playlist, that would be possible in MythMusic as well! |
| 03:48 | * | kormoc creates a circular playlist |
| 03:48 | <justinh> | Balachmar: it does allow that |
| 03:49 | <Balachmar> | @justinh I didn't know that |
| 03:49 | <Balachmar> | There is still so much to learn |
| 03:49 | <justinh> | at least I think it does |
| 03:49 | <kormoc> | I think it copies from one to another, not 'embed' or 'link' |
| 03:49 | <Balachmar> | But guys I have to go now, but I think the idea of getting the webradio/lastfm support as playlist is a great idea |
| 03:50 | <justinh> | eek I should get to work |
| 03:50 | <kormoc> | eek I should get to bed |
| 03:50 | <Balachmar> | me too... |
| 03:50 | <Balachmar> | But I at least have a starting point now |
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| 03:51 | <Balachmar> | Thanks for the idea, I might be back for some more brain picking :) |
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| 05:45 | <phix> | hi |
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| 06:26 | <gbee> | anyone object to me making a change which will require everyone to re-setup their weather screens? |
| 06:26 | <justinh> | not me :) |
| 06:29 | <rooaus> | Anything that helps improve mythweather setup is a great idea imho. |
| 06:39 | <gbee> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkE3Z5P-6Ak |
| 06:40 | <gbee> | rooaus: this is a non-functional change but needs to be done sooner rather than later to make things easier to manage |
| 06:41 | <gbee> | I don't see anything in that demo that couldn't conceivably be done with mythui (with some additional animations added) |
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| 06:48 | <justinh> | animations yay :-\ |
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| 08:28 | <gbee> | found one cause of my segfaults - the filters |
| 08:35 | <gbee> | danielk22: following the alsa changes, gcc is spitting out the following warnings - http://pastebin.ca/899821 |
| 08:35 | <gbee> | they might have been there before, but this is the first time I've noticed them |
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| 08:56 | <janneg> | gbee: those warnings are caused by an alsa macro and can be ignored |
| 08:57 | <gbee> | janneg: ahh, ok - just assumed since I'd never seen them before that they were caused by the recent changes - my bad |
| 08:58 | <gbee> | harmless warnings anyway, unless the behaviour highlighted was unintentional |
| 09:01 | <janneg> | warnings are generated by alsa's *alloca macros checking if the pointer is not null with assert |
| 09:02 | <gbee> | right, I didn't stop to look at the code as I was busy with other things |
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| 10:02 | <gbee> | superm1: would it help get 0.21 into Hardy if we branch it now with bug fixes in the next couple of weeks? Or would branching after two weeks make any difference? |
| 10:03 | <GreyFoxx> | hmmmm, so we are decoding CC/XDS info all the time during playback, even when it's not being requested for display? |
| 10:04 | <GreyFoxx> | I just noticed a ton of it being logged in my frontend log while on the WatchRecordings screen |
| 10:04 | <justinh> | heh that's not gonna help puny epia kit any |
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| 10:08 | <gbee> | GreyFoxx: that's right |
| 10:09 | <gbee> | I'm not sure if it has something to do with speeding up the time it takes to display the subtitles etc |
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| 11:10 | <beavis> | janneg, #4633 created for the wrong preview colors here |
| 11:11 | <beavis> | janneg, I forgot to mention there that all the colors are blue |
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| 11:51 | <mattwire> | anyone tried tuning dvb-s transponders recently? |
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| 11:51 | <mattwire> | I'm trying to setup a dvb-s card on astra 1 but myth doesn't seem to be enabling voltage on the card |
| 11:52 | <mattwire> | dvbtune works and gets a carrier |
| 11:53 | <mattwire> | backend log here http://www.pastebin.ca/900029 |
| 11:53 | <mattwire> | shows from the point of deleting and re-adding dvb-s card |
| 12:08 | <j-rod> | xris: so I got the frontend all the way built for now by just turning off firewire |
| 12:09 | <j-rod> | was going to include firewire support in hopes of also running a backend on my frontend, talking to my cable box |
| 12:09 | <j-rod> | but this is good enough for some testing fun |
| 12:10 | <xris> | cool |
| 12:10 | <xris> | I'll have to test out that macOS build script today |
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| 12:20 | <justinh> | anybody having trouble accessing svn lately? |
| 12:21 | <j-rod> | xris: haven't done that part yet, I just did '--enable-macos-bundle' or whatever, and it built a mythfrontend.app -- I assume the script just puts everything in a .dmg? |
| 12:21 | <GreyFoxx> | justinh: It just let me in, but wouldn't a minute ago |
| 12:21 | <justinh> | ah yeah. in now. |
| 12:22 | <GreyFoxx> | greg@cvs:~$ w |
| 12:22 | <GreyFoxx> | 17:22:29 up 38 days, 11:48, 1 user, load average: 147.93, 110.16, 58.28 |
| 12:22 | <GreyFoxx> | hehe |
| 12:22 | <xris> | j-rod: ah. I thought the script was what built the --ap |
| 12:22 | <j-rod> | janneg: care to hear any recent data points about h264 playback on my core duo 1.66 mac mini? |
| 12:22 | <xris> | .app |
| 12:23 | <j-rod> | might have been at one point |
| 12:24 | <j-rod> | this worked for me: ./configure --disable-firewire --enable-mac-accel --enable-mac-bundle --prefix=/opt/local |
| 12:24 | <xris> | cool |
| 12:25 | <xris> | I'll test that as soon as my svn update runs |
| 12:25 | <j-rod> | I presume qt3-mac did indeed build okay last night? |
| 12:25 | <xris> | yeah |
| 12:25 | <xris> | seems to |
| 12:25 | <xris> | had some warning about it breaking the ports filesystem spec, but I don't think that's an issue |
| 12:26 | <j-rod> | ah yes, I got that too, not a problem |
| 12:26 | <okolsi> | hmm.. is Trac okay? |
| 12:26 | <xris> | hmm, maybe that explains why I can't pull things down via svn |
| 12:27 | <GreyFoxx> | There are tons of apache preocesses running |
| 12:27 | <GreyFoxx> | load is crazy high |
| 12:27 | <xris> | looks like the whole server is pegged |
| 12:27 | <xris> | hang on, will restart apache |
| 12:27 | <GreyFoxx> | Actually load has dropped now |
| 12:27 | <GreyFoxx> | but still ~70 |
| 12:28 | <xris> | yeah, ssh is slow |
| 12:32 | <xris> | ok, restarted apache (several times), hopefully things will get better |
| 12:33 | <Chutt> | http://techdigest.tv/2008/02/mwc_2008_nvidia.html |
| 12:34 | <xris> | Chutt: some of your stuff? |
| 12:34 | <GreyFoxx> | pretty |
| 12:34 | <GreyFoxx> | you work on that ? |
| 12:36 | <Chutt> | the media parts of it |
| 12:37 | <Chutt> | the image at the bottom with it playing 720p over hdmi =) |
| 12:37 | <justinh> | _phone_ with hdmi? :-O |
| 12:38 | <Chutt> | or pmp |
| 12:38 | <Chutt> | or whatever |
| 12:38 | * | xris suspects that it will cost more than he's willing to pay for a phone |
| 12:38 | <justinh> | that confirms it. I'm definitely gonna become a luddite |
| 12:39 | <Chutt> | hdmi's a bit interesting since the connector's so small in the first place |
| 12:39 | <Chutt> | and it does video + audio |
| 12:39 | <anykey_> | and HDCP :p |
| 12:40 | <justinh> | easy for a docking cradle too possibly, no idea of the connector life though. won't expect much |
| 12:40 | <Chutt> | it doesn't add that much space, basically |
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| 12:40 | <justinh> | saves space not needing DACs on board too I spose |
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| 12:43 | <xris> | j-rod: that configure string fails for me: "endian test failed" |
| 12:45 | <xris> | hmm, says it can't find gcc |
| 12:47 | <xris> | or some distcc error. wtf |
| 12:47 | <j-rod> | oh, that |
| 12:47 | <j-rod> | add --disable-distcc |
| 12:47 | <j-rod> | forgot about that |
| 12:47 | <j-rod> | its mentioned in the wiki page somewhere too |
| 12:47 | <xris> | aha |
| 12:47 | <xris> | yeah, that's what I'm hitting. |
| 12:48 | <xris> | now says I need a threaded Qt installed |
| 12:49 | <xris> | ld: unknown option: -rpath-link |
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| 12:53 | <xris> | odd. complains about no libqt-mt, but I see it in /opt/local/lib |
| 12:53 | <xris> | brb |
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| 13:07 | <j-rod> | xris: export DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/local/lib:$DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH and try again |
| 13:08 | <xris> | oh, hah.. it was still set to the value from when I was compiling qt from source. |
| 13:10 | <Chutt> | yay, new projector shipped |
| 13:11 | <xris> | j-rod: compiling. yay |
| 13:11 | * | j-rod disappears for a bit... |
| 13:11 | * | xris blames kormoc for the trac/svn DOS |
| 13:12 | <j-rod> | xris: cool, about to test out my own build, I think... |
| 13:12 | <kormoc> | I blame statsvn! |
| 13:12 | <xris> | j-rod: yeah, I can't actually run it from work. heh |
| 13:12 | <kormoc> | they don't document they start up 50 threads to smash the server |
| 13:13 | <xris> | I'm all for switching to fisheye/jira |
| 13:13 | <xris> | actually, we could get a free copy of fisheye... no need to use jira |
| 13:15 | <xris> | grumble... -lqt-mt not found |
| 13:25 | <gbee> | Chutt: going to replace the text alignment parsing in mythuitext, mythuibutton and mythuibuttonlist with a shared method in xmlparsebase, would also like to change it so that alignment is specified by combining vertical and horizontal args e.g. <align>center, bottom</align> <align>left, middle</align> |
| 13:25 | <Chutt> | sure |
| 13:25 | <Chutt> | sounds good |
| 13:26 | <GreyFoxx> | Chutt: A new one? Heh I'm picking up a new flatscreen lcd today and gonna buy a friends used infocus 4805 this week |
| 13:26 | <Chutt> | replacing my broken old one |
| 13:26 | <GreyFoxx> | ahh |
| 13:26 | <Chutt> | blue splotch on the entire right half of the screen due to heat damage |
| 13:27 | <GreyFoxx> | the 4805 accepts hdtv input, but it's native is 854x480 or somesuch |
| 13:27 | <GreyFoxx> | but I've watched in action long enough to know that it's more than enough for my uses |
| 13:27 | <kormoc> | gbee, it really semms like one of these days you'll be implementing css theme support :P |
| 13:27 | <GreyFoxx> | At least for now considering it's used and much cheaper than buying new :) |
| 13:28 | <gbee> | kormoc: hard not to be influenced by css when looking at this stuff ;) |
| 13:30 | <Chutt> | wonder if i should just kill/restart apache on cvs.mythtv.org |
| 13:30 | <xris> | Chutt: I just did that about 20 mins ago |
| 13:30 | <kormoc> | oh ha! it's not me! |
| 13:30 | <kormoc> | xris, I ran statsvn and DOSed svn two days ago |
| 13:31 | <xris> | kormoc: ah. thought it was this morning |
| 13:31 | <kormoc> | it cleared up as soon as I realized it was slaughtering the server and killed it on my end |
| 13:31 | <kormoc> | nah |
| 13:32 | <gbee> | I've been playing with a concept app, something I knocked together in order to play with mythui and various ideas I've had, that has helped to spot the bugs and areas where I think we need to make changes - the following idea works by placing the text and flag image onto a button, but we need to be able to specify image/text alignment so that the image appears above the text, that lead me to decide that the alignment stuff could be rew |
| 13:32 | <gbee> | uk/imagebin/language_selection2.png |
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| 13:33 | * | kormoc nods |
| 13:34 | <Chutt> | gbee, you got cut off :p |
| 13:35 | <gbee> | way I see it, better to make these changes now, before mythui is widely used than later when I'm forced to make compromises because no-one wants to update their theme |
| 13:35 | <gbee> | Chutt: didn't miss much ;) |
| 13:37 | <Dibblah> | Is anyone seeing anything odd with the Setup/TV Settings/Playback/Playback Profiles stuff in trunk? |
| 13:37 | <Dibblah> | Specifically, it appears to be no longer allowing some edits. |
| 13:40 | <Dibblah> | Deinterlacer works, max_cpus doesn't. |
| 13:41 | <gbee> | xris: you've been hinting heavily that metallurgy should go into SVN for 0.21 - any thoughts on where it should be? Not sure if people want it distributed with mythtv or just accessible through SVN - Justin's themes are in SVN but not in an official package location for size reasons |
| 13:42 | <kormoc> | gbee, I thought themes/ was for all non-distributed themes ? |
| 13:42 | <xris> | gbee: what kormoc said |
| 13:43 | <xris> | though I'd love to see it as the default theme if you ever get around to making a 4:3 version |
| 13:43 | <gbee> | ok :) |
| 13:43 | * | kormoc is rocking the G.N.A.T Life |
| 13:43 | <xris> | kormoc: you're one of few. :) |
| 13:44 | <Chutt> | mepo-wide's prettier |
| 13:44 | <xris> | gbee: speaking of which, did you get my pm awhile back about the metallurgy OSD? the "current place" in the editor is a bit hard to read in SD. |
| 13:44 | <xris> | yeah, mepo-wide is nice. but a ripoff of media portal, no? |
| 13:45 | <Chutt> | indeed |
| 13:45 | <Chutt> | but it's still prettier :p |
| 13:45 | <xris> | than metallurgy? |
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| 13:46 | <gbee> | xris: the edit bar? Shouldn't be ... could you get me a screenshot? Might have missed an image or something from the tarball but it's fine here |
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| 13:46 | <xris> | it's there, it was just really thin.. and the same color (or very close) to the cut markers |
| 13:46 | <xris> | so I couldn't tell which cut marker I was close to |
| 13:47 | <gbee> | xris: ahh, ok, I'll see if I can make it clearer then |
| 13:48 | <justinh> | nothing pretty about mepo-wide's colour scheme IMHO. |
| 13:49 | <gbee> | I'm not going to disagree that Mepo-wide might be prettier than metallurgy, from the start I've said that metallurgy came about as an accident, I didn't plan any of it |
| 13:49 | <justinh> | the one thing we can get everybody to agree on is that they can't agree which themes are better :P |
| 13:50 | <gbee> | the fact that people liked what I was doing, and they persuaded me to keep working on it came as a pretty big surprise |
| 13:50 | <justinh> | what mepo-wide has that no other theme has is _cute_ |
| 13:50 | <justinh> | give me an off the shelf character I can rob from somewhere & I'll have a go :) |
| 13:51 | <justinh> | gbee: if I was running trunk I'd probably modify metallurgy to have a vertical menu & use that |
| 13:51 | <justinh> | sick of the sight of all of my themes now |
| 13:53 | <gbee> | taste is a personal and unaccountable thing, I can't tell you why I like the things that I do - I couldn't expect everyone to like my theme anymore than they can expect me to like Titivillus, Iulius or Blue (or GANT ... and Retro) |
| 13:54 | <justinh> | part of the reason I started theming is because the default graphics lacked polish. I didn't realise that at the time and in hindsight I sometimes wish I'd stuck to them |
| 13:55 | <gbee> | the one thing I will say about metallurgy is that I spent a _lot_ of time on every screen, getting positioning and consistency right, which unfortunately isn't the case for several of the core themes where they've only spent time making the menu look pretty |
| 13:56 | <xris> | gbee: we *should* do a theme audit before .21 and make sure the ones we include are at least mostly up to date |
| 13:58 | * | xris wishes trac would overhaul its ticket-comment code to make it more like jira, or even just useful for project managment. |
| 13:58 | <xris> | oh well. meeting time. afk. |
| 13:58 | <gbee> | xris: as much as I'd like to drop or at least quietly let some themes die, there are always going to be people who will fight to keep a theme in the distribution |
| 13:59 | <xris> | gbee: yeah. but then they should update it. :) |
| 14:00 | <gbee> | one of the reasons I favour the idea of themes being downloaded from mythtv.org instead of being distributed is that it will give us more accurate usage figures and also means that we can keep older themes available whilst making them less 'official' |
| 14:03 | <gbee> | if the 'official' mythtv themes, which form part of a users first experience, aren't very good, then that's going to influence their opinion of mythtv |
| 14:11 | <xris> | gbee: yeah. I've always liked the idea of a themes.mythtv.org site. |
| 14:12 | <xris> | esp. if we could get some kind of downloader/browser built into the frontend |
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| 14:17 | <jams> | if anybody cares the default menu diagram has been updated http://www.mythvantage.com/e107_plugins/autogallery/Gallery/misc/menu_diagram_color.png |
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| 14:18 | <justinh> | gbee: if 1st impressions are that big a deal maybe make the theme choice on first run the same as language |
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| 14:20 | <gbee> | jams: nice :) |
| 14:21 | <jams> | dvr is on it's way |
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| 14:21 | <gbee> | justinh: as we've said before, we aren't trying to persuade anyone to use mythtv instead of another product, but I am getting tired of hearing people moan that they tried mythtv once and it was ugly |
| 14:21 | <jams> | http://www.mythvantage.com/e107_plugins/autogallery/Gallery/misc/dvr_menugraph.png |
| 14:22 | <xris> | yeah. I think the "hard to use" excuse is long gone now. |
| 14:22 | <okolsi> | managed to find new segfault in MythMusic.. time to compile with debugging option.. |
| 14:23 | <janneg> | j-rod: sure, have you enabled multithreaded decoding for libavcodec (--enable--ffmpeg-pthreads)? |
| 14:24 | <janneg> | I have too look what it takes to make it default |
| 14:25 | <j-rod> | janneg: I didn't explicitly enable anything anywhere yet... |
| 14:26 | <j-rod> | but a 1080p hd-dvd file plays reasonably well with the latest xine. not as well with mplayer, and horribly with mythfrontend (~2wk old build) |
| 14:27 | <gbee> | h264? |
| 14:27 | <j-rod> | yeah |
| 14:27 | <j-rod> | h264 video, dolby digital audio, matroska wrapper |
| 14:27 | <gbee> | latest trunk might help then, but a 2 week old build doesn't include the latest threaded decoding which helps with some, but not all streams |
| 14:28 | <j-rod> | r15699, built 1/31 |
| 14:29 | <Dibblah> | janneg: Probably better off here. |
| 14:30 | <Dibblah> | j-rod: Also, check if your max CPU selection "stuck" - It doesn't if I edit the first profile, I think. |
| 14:30 | <janneg> | j-rod: matroska might create trouble if you try to seek |
| 14:31 | <j-rod> | janneg: yeah, seeking isn't always so hot no matter the player |
| 14:31 | <j-rod> | Dibblah: will double-check that too... |
| 14:33 | <Dibblah> | janneg: Many apologies - May be my fault. |
| 14:33 | <j-rod> | svn: 'themes/blootubelite-wide/trans-background.png' has unsupported special file type '?\137PNG |
| 14:33 | <Dibblah> | Does it check if ffmpeg-pthreads is enabled before allowing 2 CPUs? |
| 14:33 | <justinh> | j-rod: ? |
| 14:33 | <Dibblah> | (I used --enable-pthreads, which does not set ffmpeg-pthreads) |
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| 14:33 | <justinh> | I thought I'd killed off all the trans- files ages ago |
| 14:34 | <j-rod> | justinh: dunno, got that after and svn up and svn export... |
| 14:35 | <justinh> | seems I hadn't killed off all the fleximages either :-\ |
| 14:35 | <janneg> | Dibblah: no, it should check if threading is enabled, so --enable-pthreads should work |
| 14:36 | <Dibblah> | I'll try things shortly with the correct configure options. |
| 14:36 | <justinh> | those themes are a mess. are general cleanups considered bugfixes or features? |
| 14:36 | <justinh> | just wondering where they stand re the feature freeze |
| 14:36 | <gbee> | anyone use itunes? |
| 14:37 | <justinh> | gbee: I sometimes do |
| 14:37 | * | j-rod does |
| 14:37 | <justinh> | nice quick cd ripping. starting to find the audio quality is lacking though hence my intent to re-rip soon |
| 14:37 | <gbee> | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2693 << Can't test this patch so I'm looking to pass off the ticket to someone who does |
| 14:38 | <kormoc> | gbee, if you don't figure someone out by later today, feel free to assign it to me |
| 14:38 | <justinh> | lumme - it's C |
| 14:39 | <gbee> | kormoc: thanks |
| 14:40 | <kormoc> | gbee, include in the contrib section ya think? |
| 14:40 | <j-rod> | man, I like n wifi... |
| 14:40 | <gbee> | kormoc: yeah, maybe in the future we might integrate the functionality into mythmusic but this belongs in contrib for now |
| 14:41 | * | kormoc nods |
| 14:41 | <kormoc> | Rgr that |
| 14:42 | <gbee> | for that reason I might even be prepared to just commit it without review, but we'll likely receive support requests for anything in contrib so I'd rather someone take a closer look or at least take responsibility away from me :p |
| 14:50 | <gbee> | xris: you there? want to clarify something before I post to the list, when looking over the DD spec (old one) last year, I noticed that they provided some information which we are currently ignoring - something along the lines of marking programmes as having surround sound or some other additional audio/video property? |
| 14:59 | <dekarl> | anybody mind moving http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4327 to component eit? |
| 15:01 | <Anduin> | dekarl: done |
| 15:01 | <dekarl> | thanks |
| 15:02 | <dekarl> | and http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4510 wants to be "dvb" (yes I'm trying to clean up a bit) |
| 15:03 | <dekarl> | hmm http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4601 sounds like "dvb" radio but I'm not sure on this one |
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| 15:07 | <dekarl> | cancel that #4601 move, it's mp3 in adu in rtp related |
| 15:07 | <janneg> | dekarl: #4601 is streaming and I wouldn't update tickets which got already some love |
| 15:08 | <janneg> | the components are also fuzzy |
| 15:09 | <dekarl> | janned: I concur after digging into the source (and thanks to google) but I can't see the love, it's just a newly submitted patch ;) |
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| 15:10 | <dekarl> | on to http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2059 which wants love and component "contrib" |
| 15:11 | <janneg> | dekarl: I've worked already on #4510 |
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| 15:13 | <dekarl> | janneg: I see. Even a patch came in shortly after you closed it |
| 15:17 | <janneg> | yeah, I know |
| 15:19 | <dekarl> | #2445 is component documentation (can I fix the metadata myself? just trying to be of some use without running trunk yet) |
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| 15:20 | <janneg> | dekarl: only with a trac account |
| 15:22 | <gbee> | we require a trac account for editing tickets/metadata otherwise we have to deal with vandalism and spam |
| 15:23 | <dekarl> | I see, but somehow the "register" link escapes me |
| 15:23 | <gbee> | dekarl: only devs have trac accounts at the moment |
| 15:24 | <dekarl> | Hmm, then I shall collect the changes and bug a dev to apply them in one go ;) |
| 15:24 | <gbee> | may change later, but trac doesn't really support self-registration of users so we need to patch it first |
| 15:24 | <xris> | gbee: actually, I think SD is (finally) allowed to post the DD spec... but it doesn't surprise me that there is info in the file that mythtv doesn't use. |
| 15:24 | <xris> | I'd *love* to see season/episode numbers get used. |
| 15:24 | <xris> | really handy for sorting |
| 15:25 | <gbee> | xris: cool, well I'd like to take a look even though I wouldn't be responsible for implementing additional support (I'm afraid of Bruce ;) ) |
| 15:27 | <xris> | lol |
| 15:27 | <xris> | I think daniel does the DD stuff, anyway |
| 15:30 | <hads> | heh |
| 15:31 | <xris> | I actually don't think bruce and I "talk" anymore... we got into some fairly heated debates when SD was being formed |
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| 15:31 | <Chutt> | i can get bruce to agree with me, usually. =) |
| 15:31 | <xris> | so I just avoid him. would rather that he not think of me instead of disliking me. |
| 15:32 | <Chutt> | he tends to get annoyed when people touch the scheduler, is all |
| 15:32 | <xris> | doesn't surprise me |
| 15:32 | <Chutt> | or the analog encoder stuff |
| 15:33 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:33 | <xris> | but someone will need to touch it for mysql5 support |
| 15:33 | <Chutt> | get david involved |
| 15:33 | <xris> | but I gather that he and Captain_Murdoch have been doing that |
| 15:33 | <Chutt> | and cpinkham |
| 15:33 | <Chutt> | otherwise, changes in tickets/dev list first |
| 15:36 | <gbee> | doesn't like anyone touching things which he uses really, when I deleted a commented section of code from mythfilldatabase he reverted it without explanation and then got very upset when I asked him why |
| 15:36 | <gbee> | not unlike the recent episode |
| 15:36 | <janneg> | gbee: just enabled pthreads as default |
| 15:36 | <gbee> | janneg: cool |
| 15:37 | <Chutt> | i'll smack harder next time he does that |
| 15:37 | <Chutt> | i think i made it clear this time |
| 15:38 | <janneg> | I'm still wondering why bruce hasn't flamed me over #4240 "Recording length has doubled" |
| 15:38 | <gbee> | this line bypassed the stuff which lightens the load on DD servers and forced it to always download data for every day - since it was commented I assumed it was redundant and unused but seems Bruce is one of the few people who uses it (but doesn't think everyone should use it because of the strain on the servers ... ) |
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| 15:44 | <xris> | gbee: there have been a number of user complaints to SD about "incorrect data" that turn out to just be mythtv only downloading new data 1-2 days out |
| 15:45 | <xris> | I want to redesign the xml spec for SD if/when we |
