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| 01:37 | <superm1> | i'm preparing the trunk related builds for hardy, and i'm seeing all these extra options for building with external libraries such as x264. Since we have a modern x264 in apt, would these be fairly beneficial you suppose? |
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| 02:11 | <superm1> | oh nvm, those are in BLOCK_QUOTE sections of configure :) |
| 02:11 | <superm1> | my bad |
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| 04:33 | * | justinh limbers up |
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| 05:45 | <justinh> | seems there are a lot of variables in mythappearance - is that likely to be a concern if they all end up in the setup screen code? |
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| 06:24 | <justinh> | I _think_ I'm kinda getting my head around this now :) |
| 06:25 | <superm1> | in videoout_ivtv.cpp, where is has_v4l2_api and has_pause_bug supposed to be defined? |
| 06:25 | <superm1> | i must be going crazy, i can't find definitions in any headers |
| 06:26 | <justinh> | you fixing pvr350 stuff? rather you than me superm1 |
| 06:26 | <superm1> | justinh, well i was just building, and then realizing there is a bunch of broken stuff |
| 06:27 | <superm1> | was it just an incomplete patch someone started to do? |
| 06:27 | <justinh> | don't remember seeing a pvr350 patch for ages |
| 06:27 | <laga> | bunch of broken stuff? |
| 06:27 | <laga> | in the trunk builds? |
| 06:27 | <superm1> | yeah |
| 06:27 | <laga> | never noticed any broken stuff. |
| 06:27 | <superm1> | sec. |
| 06:27 | <superm1> | http://paste.ubuntu.com/3989/ |
| 06:28 | <laga> | superm1: i haven't built head in a while, but it used to work pre-multirec merghe |
| 06:28 | <laga> | merge* |
| 06:28 | <superm1> | well it worked post multirec merge i thought too. |
| 06:28 | <superm1> | hm |
| 06:29 | <laga> | i never built on hardy, though |
| 06:29 | <superm1> | well when did those two calls suddenly show up? |
| 06:29 | <superm1> | lets see. |
| 06:31 | <superm1> | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/14589/trunk/mythtv/libs/libmythtv/videoout_ivtv.cpp |
| 06:32 | <laga> | superm1: 27s from power-on to X + xfce running with aufs. |
| 06:32 | <superm1> | oooh very nice |
| 06:32 | <superm1> | aufs sounds like the way to go |
| 06:33 | <superm1> | well that commit was 4 months ago. i wonder if this is only failing on hardy (eg newer kernels) |
| 06:33 | <superm1> | well it shouldn't, since the kernel source doesn't get installed |
| 06:34 | <laga> | headers get installed, tho |
| 06:34 | <laga> | don't they? |
| 06:34 | <superm1> | i don't think so |
| 06:34 | * | laga wonders how long booting will take once HAL is enabled. anyways, OT here |
| 06:35 | <superm1> | well linux-libc-dev is installed |
| 06:35 | <superm1> | but nothing more |
| 06:35 | <laga> | and some dvb headers IIRC |
| 06:43 | <superm1> | not in any of the headers on my normal system eitehr |
| 06:43 | <superm1> | the only results google is finding point back at myth sources. |
| 06:43 | <superm1> | hmm weird. |
| 06:43 | <laga> | heh .) |
| 06:43 | <laga> | gotta run, laters |
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| 06:49 | <superm1> | well wtf? it's supposed to be in videoout_ivtv.h |
| 06:49 | <superm1> | i must have a wacky checkout or something |
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| 07:08 | <justinh> | bah I wish I'd done a checkout & build much earlier. this compile is going to take ages to fail |
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| 08:07 | <justinh> | think I've bitten off more than I can chew :( |
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| 09:02 | <gbee> | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/01/30/asus_announces_eee_tv/ |
| 09:02 | <gbee> | 42in TV which runs linux ... think you can see what I'm thinking here |
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| 09:06 | <MrGandalf> | nope.. what are you thinking? :) |
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| 09:06 | * | gbee goes fishing for trout |
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| 09:18 | <justinh> | hmmm a tv with less computing power than an epia m10k. yeah. that'll do web browsing & email |
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| 09:25 | <gbee> | aww, where's the optimism? :) |
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| 09:26 | <justinh> | shot to bits after battling most of the day with globalsettings.cpp :) |
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| 09:28 | * | gbee considers writing to Asus suggesting that if they send the developers one each we might adapt MythTV to run on the device |
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| 09:47 | <GreyFoxx> | gbee: That'd be sweet :) |
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| 10:18 | <reynaldo> | sphery: you around ? |
| 10:19 | <reynaldo> | I'm having problems understanding the 'draworder' meaning in the xmls. |
| 10:20 | <justinh> | reynaldo: supposed to mean the order you want things drawn in |
| 10:20 | <reynaldo> | I also would like to understand how to make a simple spinbox/combobox in the xml ui definition and in the code. |
| 10:20 | <justinh> | higher numbers should appear on top |
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| 10:21 | <justinh> | reynaldo: you can't do a spin/combobox in a theme |
| 10:21 | <reynaldo> | justinh: it is my understanding you have to use a blackbox ? |
| 10:21 | <justinh> | a blackhole? I wouldn't |
| 10:21 | <reynaldo> | thanks for the draworder explanation, so that way you can control how ab objects hides others in its back? |
| 10:22 | <reynaldo> | (my english is far from perfect) |
| 10:22 | <reynaldo> | yeah, blackhole, sorry |
| 10:22 | <justinh> | reynaldo: if you want to hide things from time to time, use contexts |
| 10:22 | <reynaldo> | oh, thanks. |
| 10:23 | <reynaldo> | justinh: can you elavorate on how to hook a spinbox to a given ui then ? |
| 10:23 | <reynaldo> | I'd really appreciate that |
| 10:23 | <justinh> | reynaldo: they're all hard coded right now. in the source code, not xml |
| 10:24 | <gbee> | reynaldo: spinboxes are only used for settings in mythtv, settings should use the "settings wizard code" |
| 10:25 | <justinh> | you can make a container type to be able to control the position of the spin/combo box I suppose but that's messy IMHO |
| 10:25 | <reynaldo> | gbee: you mean I should call, ie, static HostCheckBox *MythControlsVolume() |
| 10:25 | <reynaldo> | from my code ? |
| 10:25 | <gbee> | something like that, yes |
| 10:26 | <justinh> | arghhh not the settings wizard code :( |
| 10:26 | <gbee> | it's nasty stuff :/ |
| 10:26 | <reynaldo> | gbee: in what way it wouldnt be like that ? |
| 10:26 | <reynaldo> | i mean, why the 'like' |
| 10:26 | <reynaldo> | :) |
| 10:27 | <reynaldo> | why can I just make a spinbox/combobox for myself ? |
| 10:27 | <gbee> | reynaldo: I don't know exactly how it should be done, because I've never done it |
| 10:27 | <reynaldo> | can/can't |
| 10:27 | <justinh> | gbee: btw thanks for the inheritance explanatin yesterday but it didn't give me much of a start in the settings wizard things. appearance settings page needs some work to accept an extra button methinks |
| 10:28 | <justinh> | they're way way WAY above my head. I kind of know what needs to be done but not how to do it |
| 10:28 | <reynaldo> | justinh: is there any reason why someone would like to use a blackhole to host/hook at spinbox in/to a theme ? |
| 10:28 | <justinh> | reynaldo: it's nasty, that's why not |
| 10:28 | <reynaldo> | ok, hard to know what's right when all you have is the sourcecode |
| 10:29 | <reynaldo> | there are several places where that approach is used in mythplugins's code |
| 10:29 | <justinh> | yeah and none of them are nice |
| 10:29 | <reynaldo> | so I should just code the spinbox and hook it to the theme using ... what ? |
| 10:29 | <reynaldo> | an example would be awesome |
| 10:29 | <reynaldo> | :-) |
| 10:30 | <justinh> | reynaldo: the xml parser can look for all kinds of area tags |
| 10:30 | <justinh> | what is it you're doing anyway, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 10:31 | <reynaldo> | I'm doing some mythplugins for a client |
| 10:31 | <justinh> | what kind of plugins? |
| 10:31 | <reynaldo> | the one I'm dealing with right now changes the lang and the tx |
| 10:31 | <reynaldo> | tz |
| 10:32 | <reynaldo> | and I do understand you dont want something like that in your code, you want to use the settings wizzard and that's perfectly ok |
| 10:32 | <justinh> | as plugins? ahem.. says the pot, about to call the kettle.. # |
| 10:32 | <reynaldo> | client does not, he wants a plugin |
| 10:33 | <reynaldo> | so Im there, I do have code in several other FOS projects and I'm starting to like mythtv aim so I might as well throw some bits here latter |
| 10:33 | <reynaldo> | right now, I just want to have this simple things done |
| 10:34 | <reynaldo> | heck, even mythtv has code from me already, grep around for 'Reynaldo H. Verdejo Pinochet' |
| 10:35 | <reynaldo> | so, justinh, do you think you can throw me an example |
| 10:35 | <reynaldo> | ? |
| 10:37 | <gbee> | the settings wizard can be used from within a plugin, it depends on the effect your client wants |
| 10:38 | <gbee> | there is actually a window already written to change the language, do you know about that? It's only displayed the first time you run mythtv but it might be useful |
| 10:38 | <reynaldo> | inmediate change of the tz and the lang for the frontend and for the account in which it is running, the latter is already taken care of |
| 10:38 | <reynaldo> | gbee: I saw it the first time, yes |
| 10:39 | <reynaldo> | I can think a zillion of other uses to this piece of 'how to put an spinbox/combobox in a ui' knowledge so I'm looking into it |
| 10:39 | <gbee> | you can add a hostComboBox etc to the page and use a 'blackhole' to determine the positioning like you originally suggested |
| 10:40 | <reynaldo> | but justinh said it was ugly, is there a better/neater way ? |
| 10:40 | <justinh> | blackhole would be the easiest, not necessarily the 'best' way IMHO |
| 10:40 | <Chutt> | there's no other way. |
| 10:41 | <reynaldo> | Hi Chutt, so thats why the approach, while ugly to mosts, is actually used in the code? |
| 10:41 | <Chutt> | apparently |
| 10:43 | <reynaldo> | humm. |
| 10:43 | <justinh> | anyway, I have a better answer to why mythappearance is a plugin. I can't integrate it myself. merry hacker maybe, but I'm not experienced or knowledgable enough |
| 10:44 | <gbee> | reynaldo: a lot of hacks and ugly approaches were used because they were quicker than making the proper changes to the UI code |
| 10:44 | <gbee> | we hopefully won't make same mistake for the new UI code |
| 10:45 | <reynaldo> | more power to you :) |
| 10:45 | <gbee> | for your purpose, writing for a client where time is a factor, then using a blackhole is the best option - were you writing the same code for inclusion in mythtv, we'd probably require it done differently |
| 10:46 | <reynaldo> | Oh, I'd actually would want to make it right to look out for future inclusion. |
| 10:46 | <reynaldo> | that would be better for my client in the long run |
| 10:47 | <justinh> | then tell them settings wizards should be built-in, not in plugins ;) |
| 10:47 | <reynaldo> | having code out of the main project's tree is a PITA |
| 10:47 | <justinh> | I can tell you from experience that's much easier said than done! |
| 10:47 | <reynaldo> | sure |
| 10:48 | <reynaldo> | problem is there is something fundamentally wrong with the settings wizzard |
| 10:48 | <justinh> | meaning? |
| 10:48 | <reynaldo> | you cant have the language choice buried down a few windows up on the road |
| 10:48 | <reynaldo> | it should be the first |
| 10:48 | <justinh> | it's presented the very first time you run mythfrontend |
| 10:48 | <reynaldo> | it should even be always there, maybe in a corner |
| 10:48 | <justinh> | ! |
| 10:49 | <reynaldo> | justinh: ever thought you might not be the one who made the first installation ? |
| 10:49 | <justinh> | how many people are going to need to change it more than once? |
| 10:49 | <reynaldo> | who knows |
| 10:49 | <gbee> | if that is the case, then creating a spinbox and the other necessary 'entry' widget for libmythui would be necessary (a lot more work than using the blackhole hack with libmyth), frankly I'm not sure you want to take that route unless your client has deep pockets and is willing to fund you to work the extra time |
| 10:50 | <reynaldo> | maybe, I'm not sure, but i do like to make things right most of the time :) |
| 10:50 | <gbee> | justinh: depends what the client want's to use it for, e.g. in a public space, an information kiosk etc, you need to change the language easily |
| 10:51 | <reynaldo> | yup, public usage is a pretty good point |
| 10:51 | <reynaldo> | justinh: what if you want to put it on a kiosk on an airport lobby ? |
| 10:51 | <justinh> | gbee: I was talking about our context.. the mythtv user at home. waste of time having a language settings box on every screen |
| 10:51 | <gbee> | reynaldo: you might consider doing it without a spinbox? Show a 'Change Language' button on the screen and then launch a new page with seperate buttons for each language |
| 10:51 | <justinh> | reynaldo: I wouldn't make it a spinbox or combo box for one thing |
| 10:52 | <reynaldo> | gbee: yup, on a corner while on every state but playing something |
| 10:52 | <reynaldo> | that would be awesome |
| 10:52 | <justinh> | the very first screen would ask you what your lanugage preference is, then present nice big buttons |
| 10:52 | <gbee> | maybe even with flags |
| 10:52 | <reynaldo> | show a little flag on the top right corner, ppl easily recognizes that |
| 10:53 | <reynaldo> | he, you stole my words |
| 10:53 | <reynaldo> | :-) |
| 10:53 | <justinh> | reynaldo: not on every menu. not for mythtv users. that'd suck. in your own code sure, yeah knock yourself oout |
| 10:53 | <reynaldo> | ? |
| 10:53 | <reynaldo> | justinh: I wont even argue that without code ;) |
| 10:54 | <justinh> | reynaldo: if every screen in mythfrontend, as it is now - had a language setting gadget on there it'd be a waste of time for 99.9% of users :) there's too much info to show onscreen at once as it is |
| 10:55 | <reynaldo> | I see your point, really, but make an effort and you will see mine too |
| 10:55 | <reynaldo> | anyway, I'm right now looking into get this done, then we can argue about its worth and form |
| 10:56 | <reynaldo> | 'client is always right' |
| 10:59 | <justinh> | how many different languages would you want to be able to choose from? |
| 10:59 | <reynaldo> | every language with an usable translation oc. |
| 10:59 | <reynaldo> | 6-7 ? |
| 10:59 | <justinh> | IMHO it'd be better to just put a button up there saying 'change lanugage' or whatever, then present the user with a grid of buttons. heck, even a couple of pages. much nicer than a spinbox |
| 11:00 | <justinh> | way easier to code too |
| 11:00 | <reynaldo> | yup, thats why the cornered flag |
| 11:01 | <justinh> | especially if the end product _is_ some kind of kiosk. mouse controls on those things are generally lame |
| 11:01 | <reynaldo> | the options were never meant to be on the same page |
| 11:01 | <reynaldo> | options/option |
| 11:02 | <reynaldo> | were/was |
| 11:02 | <reynaldo> | oh, I take that back, it was 'the options were' |
| 11:02 | <justinh> | buttons can be made easier to see than small text in a spinbox too |
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| 11:03 | <justinh> | and _anything_ looks better than qt spinboxes :) |
| 11:03 | <reynaldo> | is there any programatic way to get the translated languages list, not the entyre lang list |
| 11:03 | <justinh> | reynaldo: probably easier to make the list yourself AFAIK |
| 11:03 | <reynaldo> | I could harcode them from the main menu xml .. has that changed a lot lately ? |
| 11:03 | <justinh> | not in terms of new languages being added, no |
| 11:04 | <reynaldo> | oh, nice, I have already worked with buttons. |
| 11:04 | <justinh> | actually another thing you could do if you don't like the button idea is this: |
| 11:05 | <justinh> | listitems like those the menus use |
| 11:05 | <justinh> | again MUCH nicer than any ugly qt spinbox |
| 11:06 | <reynaldo> | I have an ongoing network configuration plugin too, maybe that would be of some use to you guys |
| 11:06 | <justinh> | and again you aren't limited to just small text |
| 11:06 | <reynaldo> | justinh: thanks for the idea |
| 11:07 | <justinh> | reynaldo: if it's just for one screen to put the tz & language settings on, 2 spinboxes would look like you'd not done much too :P |
| 11:08 | <reynaldo> | justinh: could you brief me on listbtnarea usage ? |
| 11:08 | <justinh> | not without a % cut of your fee & finding out how they work myself :P |
| 11:09 | <reynaldo> | oh, kinda see that comming |
| 11:09 | <justinh> | reynaldo: could also be listarea - or if you don't want to use mythui (technically if it's just for your client you don't need to) just use the same stuff as 'watch recodings' code does |
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| 11:13 | <reynaldo> | justinh: thanks |
| 11:18 | <justinh> | I think you kinda have a point about the settings screens though - after all it's why there was a google SoC project to try to tidy up & rearrange them. It'll be worth looking into that at some point in the future, if I ever get my c++ fu good enough |
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| 11:21 | <justinh> | right. time to have a nice long walk & go collect my car |
| 11:23 | <reynaldo> | justinh: did it got done ? |
| 11:23 | <reynaldo> | that SoC project I mean |
| 11:24 | <reynaldo> | btw, do you know if the guy who packages myth for debian/ubuntu is ever around here on IRC? |
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| 11:45 | <gbee> | reynaldo: superm1 & laga |
| 11:47 | <reynaldo> | gbee: thanks a lot |
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| 12:28 | <jarle> | I seem to have a problem related to this bug: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/14643 Does this mean that a pre-compiled package made on a system with glx 1.4 would not work on a system with a glx version pre 1.4? |
| 12:30 | <jarle> | !seen laga |
| 12:30 | <jarle> | (why is this only working in #mythtv-users ? :) |
| 12:36 | <superm1> | reynaldo, did you have some issues? |
| 12:36 | <superm1> | with our builds? |
| 12:38 | <jarle> | superm1: I do actually.... it seems to maybe be related to http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4078 |
| 12:39 | <jarle> | superm1: I get: /usr/bin/mythfrontend.real: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libmythtv-0.20.so.0: undefined symbol: glXGetProcAddress |
| 12:39 | <superm1> | jarle, we didn't change anything particularly in the build itself |
| 12:39 | <jarle> | superm1: Thats running latest svn build.. |
| 12:39 | <superm1> | build dependencies however could have changed if there were any updates to X |
| 12:40 | <superm1> | but looking at that, that's 4 months old |
| 12:41 | <jarle> | superm1: If I understand the error correctly it is looking for glXGetProcAddress instead of glXGetProcAddressARB as it probably should (as I'm running a legacy nvidia driver on this frontend) |
| 12:41 | <superm1> | jarle, come join us in #ubuntu-mythtv and we can sort this out in there okay, this isn't the proper area |
| 12:41 | <jarle> | superm1: on my way :) |
| 12:50 | <reynaldo> | superm1: not at all, I'd like to ask you how to proceed at deb packaging a single plugin or a few |
| 12:50 | <superm1> | reynaldo, come join in #ubuntu-mythtv-dev |
| 12:50 | <superm1> | we can discuss there |
| 12:51 | <reynaldo> | thanks |
| 12:55 | <okolsi> | hmm... reg #4536, the coloring works now but playbackbox still cannot recover from the problem |
| 12:55 | <okolsi> | frontend log shows that zero byte recording error.. |
| 12:56 | <okolsi> | I'm sure I get bad karma if I still re-open the ticket ;) |
| 13:01 | <justinh> | reynaldo: none of the SoC projects got finished. well, I think we could maybe say one was finished eventually .. the mythweather revamp |
| 13:02 | <reynaldo> | justinh: a pity, I was a soccer myseld |
| 13:02 | <reynaldo> | myself |
| 13:02 | <reynaldo> | I worked on a QCELP decoder for FFmpeg, but i had code there and on MPlayer already |
| 13:02 | <reynaldo> | so it wasnt really that hard |
| 13:02 | <justinh> | their loss, and ours :( nothing stopping anybody taking them up again if they really wanted to though |
| 13:03 | <reynaldo> | allthought it is my first decoder so it was quite an adventure |
| 13:03 | <justinh> | after today I can relate to the settings thing being much harder than it sounded |
| 13:04 | <reynaldo> | sure |
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| 13:16 | <gbee> | justinh: taking about language selection got me thinking, how about this instead of what we have now? http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/language_selection.png |
| 13:16 | <justinh> | I could live with that |
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| 13:16 | <gbee> | using mythui with the grid list layout of course |
| 13:17 | <justinh> | gbee: hate to say this but I had to give up on mythappearance today. I just can't get my head around the setup menu code |
| 13:18 | <gbee> | :/ |
| 13:18 | <justinh> | I had another crack at it, but I'm plainly missing the ability to properly follow what other code which uses setup menu buttons is doing |
| 13:19 | <gbee> | I'll take a look if I get the time, though I'm not entirely sure where I'd stick it in the order of things, maybe it deserves it's own menu entry under Setup somewhere |
| 13:19 | <justinh> | and more importantly, not able to tell how it's defined in the header |
| 13:19 | <justinh> | I have the feeling that if I'd got it to work at all it'd have been a fluke & would've needed cleaning up big style |
| 13:20 | <justinh> | that said, I've only given up on it today. i'll get some printouts & sit down with a cuppa & have a good read & make notes |
| 13:21 | <justinh> | I hate giving up, and if this beats me what chance do I stand doing all the other cool stuff I wanna do? ;) |
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| 13:22 | <gbee> | justinh: there was stuff that beat me a year ago, which only now I feel capable of doing, but that didn't stop me doing plenty of other good stuff in the meantime |
| 13:22 | <gbee> | just took me time to become comfortable with mythtv's code |
| 13:23 | <justinh> | it's not what I'd have called a big job til I saw the code properly. I think my method was ok, just classifying it properly in the header was what tripped me up |
| 13:25 | <justinh> | can't think of any other 'easy-ish' jobs I had on my list right now. maybe that conflict textarea. should be a doddle that one |
| 13:25 | <gbee> | need to sort out that mythui popup theme |
| 13:26 | <gbee> | maybe I'll do that tonight, take a break from what I've been doing every other night |
| 13:26 | <justinh> | I have a couple of themes I'm promised to try to get out in time for 0.21 for somebody |
| 13:26 | <gbee> | just have to decide what style we're going to settle on for the default images |
| 13:27 | <justinh> | maybe just plain with rounded corners, translucent dark. no shiny shiny |
| 13:28 | <Anduin> | So... code freeze is on the 1st? |
| 13:28 | <laga> | of february? |
| 13:28 | <justinh> | is it? |
| 13:28 | <gbee> | guess so, but that would be a shame as I wanted to get the xmltv api config stuff done for 0.21, I just got distracted with mythui :( |
| 13:28 | <Anduin> | That was one of the targets put out there, with Feb being only fixing bugs |
| 13:30 | <gbee> | still think 1st Feb is a good target for a feature freeze, mid-Feb for a possible RC release and end of Feb for the full release |
| 13:30 | <justinh> | zoiks |
| 13:31 | <justinh> | better get my arse in gear & decide which themes go byebyes & tart up the remainder to work with trunk |
| 13:31 | <justinh> | (of mine, I mean) |
| 13:31 | <gbee> | I'd like more time, but I've been advocating setting a date and then sticking to it for months, so I'd be a hypocrite if I requested a delay |
| 13:32 | <Anduin> | I'd prefer Jan 4th as the freeze (giving the weekend), if it is the 1st I'll just expand what a bug fix is. |
| 13:32 | <gbee> | works for me |
| 13:32 | <gbee> | assuming Jan=Feb |
| 13:33 | <justinh> | would a plugin still needing to be integrated be called a bug or a feature? ;) |
| 13:33 | <Anduin> | Yeah, soon is needed, sticking with Marchish for release is good. |
| 13:33 | <Anduin> | err, yes Feb (just typed the month name from the calendar) |
| 13:34 | <superm1> | good that will make for less exceptions that need to be filed with us |
| 13:34 | <superm1> | and easier to get 0.21 in hardy |
| 13:34 | <gbee> | Anduin: any features we don't get into 0.21 just enhances the case for us setting the 0.22 date earlier |
| 13:34 | <justinh> | superm1: how many downloads of blootube do you get? the 4:3 one? |
| 13:34 | <superm1> | justinh, let me see if hardy stats have been built for that stuff yet |
| 13:34 | <justinh> | infact any 4:3 ones |
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| 13:35 | <Anduin> | gbee: Yeah, I'm having a very narrow definition of feature, I just need to close out the MythVideo tickets I have tagged for 0.21, nothing really major, just need several hours in a row to get it done. |
| 13:35 | <justinh> | superm1: any stats.. current too preferably. planning on dropping my own 4:3 ones but don't wanna be _too_ unpopular |
| 13:36 | <superm1> | justinh, no popularity contest data on stuff in a testing release from what i can see |
| 13:36 | <superm1> | so sorry can't really tell you |
| 13:36 | <justinh> | not even current ones? call me disappointed ;) |
| 13:36 | <superm1> | well they aren't in gutsy |
| 13:36 | <superm1> | so i cant tell you about gutsy stats :) |
| 13:37 | <justinh> | hahaha fair enough :) |
| 13:37 | <justinh> | I'll go by webpage stats then. bye bye projectgrayhem |
| 13:39 | <reynaldo> | gbee: any idea on how to put a little image on top of a button ? |
| 13:39 | <gbee> | PG-wide or just PG? |
| 13:39 | <reynaldo> | is that done just setting the propers draworders |
| 13:39 | <reynaldo> | ? |
| 13:40 | <justinh> | gbee: PG. |
| 13:40 | <gbee> | reynaldo: with libmyth, use draworders |
| 13:40 | <justinh> | damn I was planning to revamp some default theme images too. doesn't leave much time |
| 13:40 | <gbee> | or put the image in as part of the button background, assuming that the image won't ever change |
| 13:41 | <justinh> | see what the weekend brings, wifey's away so it'll be compute compute compute :) |
| 13:41 | <gbee> | in mythui it's a lot easier |
| 13:41 | <reynaldo> | gbee: the image do changes, each time you press the button the lang and his associated flag changes, both for the button 'label' so to speak |
| 13:41 | <reynaldo> | that way i dont fill the screen with lang buttons |
| 13:41 | <gbee> | justinh: you've got a month, which I appreciate isn't _that_ long |
| 13:41 | <reynaldo> | and its more scalable, you could end up having quite some supported langs |
| 13:42 | <gbee> | reynaldo: use a seperate image on top of the button then |
| 13:42 | <reynaldo> | gbee: yup, I'm loking for the correct xml element |
| 13:42 | <justinh> | dunno what's wrong with having a button which takes you to a separate page with all the langs on but hey it's not my funeral |
| 13:42 | <reynaldo> | finding out its methods is wasy with the doxygen docs |
| 13:43 | <reynaldo> | justinh: i like this method better |
| 13:43 | <justinh> | heh fairy nuff :) |
| 13:43 | <reynaldo> | :) |
| 13:43 | <justinh> | oh man. been a fscking expensive day off today. just shy of £500 |
| 13:43 | <gbee> | ouch |
| 13:44 | <justinh> | damn car tax. damn car infact |
| 13:44 | <reynaldo> | he, I dont drive a car |
| 13:44 | <reynaldo> | saves me from that kind of suffering |
| 13:44 | <reynaldo> | :-) |
| 13:44 | * | gbee either, too damn expensive |
| 13:44 | <justinh> | service, mot, 2 new tyres, fuel filter.. then £1180 road fund duty oof |
| 13:44 | <justinh> | er £180 |
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| 13:45 | <justinh> | it's cheaper than travelling by train to work, or working locally |
| 13:45 | <justinh> | though sometimes I really do wish I only worked ina supermarket |
| 13:45 | <MrGandalf> | Can anyone confiirm "Jump to Program" from within LiveTV is broken in trunk? |
| 13:45 | <reynaldo> | justinh: but you wanting a new window instead of a button with switching labels makes me realize you might even be considering changing the car for a truck ;) |
| 13:45 | <reynaldo> | :* |
| 13:45 | <justinh> | reynaldo: just thinking the user might tire of pressing the button ;) |
| 13:46 | <justinh> | or overshoot by pressing too many times if they're in a hurry |
| 13:47 | <reynaldo> | all valid points I'm afraid |
| 13:47 | <reynaldo> | what can I say |
| 13:47 | <reynaldo> | :-) |
| 13:47 | <gbee> | yeah, depends on circumstances - trains can be expensive too, though even when I was travelling to uni by train it was still cheaper than running a car (factoring in cost of purchase, maintainance, tax, fuel, insurance, parking and fines etc) |
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| 13:48 | <justinh> | reynaldo: thinking about work reminded me how much I hate the new LCD monitors we have. their 'source' button goes between 13 inputs & it's easy to land on the wrong one |
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| 13:51 | <reynaldo> | justinh: cheaper monitors have less possible input sources :-) |
| 13:51 | <reynaldo> | j/k |
| 13:52 | <reynaldo> | so, back to the lang stuff, main_settings.xml show 18 translated langs |
| 13:53 | <reynaldo> | is that right? |
| 13:53 | <reynaldo> | i mean, do myth have that many translations ? |
| 13:53 | <superm1> | gbee, with an impending upcoming freeze, sooner rather than later could you change the library versions from the current 0.20 that they're getting during builds to 0.21? A new package will have to make it through for reflecting the change (eg ./usr/lib/libmythtv-0.20.so.0.20.0 should be getting ./usr/lib/libmythtv-0.21.so.0.21.0) |
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| 14:08 | <gbee> | superm1: cardoe has already asked, not sure what the history is there, we usually wait until after the feature freeze I think, but if no-one objects I can do it now |
| 14:09 | <gbee> | Chutt__: any reason not to increment it from 0.20 to 0.21 now? |
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| 14:19 | <jams> | reynaldo- mind sharing who your client is that requested the plugins ? |
| 14:20 | <Cardoe> | superm1: can I take a peek at the build options you're passing to the 0.21 stuff? |
| 14:25 | <reynaldo> | jams: I dont know if I have permission to do that right now, will ask. |
| 14:25 | <reynaldo> | its ratter my employer than my client though, badly choosen word |
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| 14:29 | <jams> | ok |
| 14:30 | <superm1> | Cardoe, of course |
| 14:30 | <superm1> | let me point you at the bzr branch |
| 14:31 | <reynaldo> | humm, "Language" on mythconverge holds the current lang, how about timezone info, where is it stored? maybe it isn't stored at all? |
| 14:32 | <GreyFoxx> | Not at all |
| 14:32 | <GreyFoxx> | we assuming the local system timezone is currectly set |
| 14:33 | <superm1> | http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythtv/trunk/annotate/supermario%40portablemario-20080130065214-wq9z3cd3u3hzefad?file_id=rules-20070814234534-5tizpxfox3sz2h7y-56 |
| 14:33 | <superm1> | Cardoe, ^ |
| 14:33 | <reynaldo> | GreyFoxx: thanks |
| 14:33 | <superm1> | Cardoe, i'm not too sure on what we're going to pass for cpu/tune/arch options still |
| 14:34 | <Cardoe> | aren't you guys going to gcc 4.3 |
| 14:34 | <Cardoe> | well never mind.. that won't work for you |
| 14:34 | <superm1> | 4.2.3 is the release i'm seeing us on right now |
| 14:36 | <Cardoe> | One of the flags I was wondering about was --enable-gpl |
| 14:36 | <Cardoe> | Have to see if enabling that by default helps or hurts |
| 14:36 | <superm1> | isn't it disabled? |
| 14:36 | <superm1> | via a BLOCK_QUOTE thing in configure? |
| 14:36 | <superm1> | along with a whole lot of other ffmpeg stuff that I saw yesterday |
| 14:37 | <Cardoe> | it defaults to disabled but I thought it controlled something |
| 14:37 | <Cardoe> | that whole config script is a mess |
| 14:38 | <superm1> | i was wondering why a whole lot of that new stuff with the new ffmpeg checkout was disabled |
| 14:38 | <superm1> | disabled from modification that is |
| 14:40 | <superm1> | Cardoe, are you adjusting it in your builds to re-enable the possibility of modifying that stuff? |
| 14:40 | <Cardoe> | hmm? |
| 14:41 | <Cardoe> | http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/media-tv/mythtv/mythtv-0.21_pre15666.ebuild?rev=1.1&view=markup |
| 14:42 | <superm1> | na nothing special it looks like |
| 14:42 | <superm1> | but i'm imaging your --enable-gpl is ignored then |
| 14:42 | <Cardoe> | probably |
| 14:43 | <Cardoe> | does the arts stuff actually work? |
| 14:43 | <Cardoe> | we started disabling the arts stuff cause it was busted. |
| 14:43 | <laga> | wiser words have never been spoken (referring to artsd itself) |
| 14:44 | <superm1> | i stray far far away from artsd so couldn't tell you |
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| 15:23 | <fiXXXerMet> | Where can I find a storage calculator for high def programmin? |
| 15:23 | <fiXXXerMet> | g |
| 15:24 | <fiXXXerMet> | Going to be going with FIoS for TV. |
| 15:24 | <laga> | in the users channel |
| 15:24 | <superm1> | fiXXXerMet, wrong channel, see /t |
| 15:24 | <fiXXXerMet> | whoops |
| 15:24 | <fiXXXerMet> | I miss that every time. |
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| 15:38 | <gbee> | http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/language_selection2.png << definately going to implement this idea |
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| 15:39 | <GreyFoxx> | Part of the initial setup screen? I think that's an excellent idea and looks nice :) |
| 15:40 | <GreyFoxx> | Do we actually have a setup ioption somewhere to repick the language? I don't reemmeber |
| 15:41 | <laga> | yes |
| 15:41 | <gbee> | GreyFoxx: yeah, for some reason it's under appearance |
| 15:41 | <laga> | gbee: very nice. |
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| 15:43 | <gbee> | I've wanted to break out all the locale settings into their own space and expand it to allow your locale to govern a whole range of settings, which would make it faster to install/setup mythtv by giving users the approriate settings for their location |
| 15:44 | <blaform> | hey does anyone know if mythtv can auto unrar files like xbmc? |
| 15:44 | <gbee> | e.g. In the UK that would mean Interactive TV enabled by default, tv_grab_uk_rt the default grabber etc |
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| 15:44 | <justinh> | blaform: wrong channel. and no, it can't |
| 15:44 | <blaform> | justinh: thx |
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| 15:45 | <justinh> | damn w4r3z people |
| 15:45 | <gbee> | why not ask the torrent devs to automatically uncompress stuff after it's downloaded? |
| 15:46 | <justinh> | why bother even raring an already highly compressed file? defies explanation |
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| 15:49 | <gbee> | think it has something to do with hiding the contents of the file from investigators/ISPs who are monitor traffic across the networks - though I guess the filename gives that away in most cases |
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| 15:49 | <justinh> | I thought encrippling naughty traffic was the order of the day, but hey ho |
| 15:50 | <gbee> | probably |
| 15:50 | <laga> | gbee: i think they want to get around file size limits |
| 15:50 | <laga> | the archives are split into 15M files |
| 15:50 | <gbee> | ahh, yeah, that's a far better explanation |
| 15:51 | <justinh> | wellit wasn't to save space :) |
| 15:51 | <gbee> | in which case, isn't it still better to unrar/join those files after downloading? I mean who is too lazy to type unrar -e file.rar |
| 15:51 | <gbee> | ? |
| 15:52 | <stuarta> | the same people who want support for it in the first place |
| 15:52 | <laga> | gbee: well, the warez d00dz enjoy racing, eg who'S the first one to have a release on the ftpds |
| 15:52 | <laga> | maybe they also do that for watching |
| 15:52 | <justinh> | the mind boggles, it really does </ivory tower mode> |
| 15:54 | * | stuarta extends the big middle finger towards the w4r3z ppl |
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| 16:00 | <janneg> | gah, openwrt on my wrt54g is somehow broken. ip forwarding or NAT doesn't work. even after a clean reinstall |
| 16:01 | <laga> | "clean"? unless you're running kamikaze, there might be broken nvram settings |
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| 16:03 | <janneg> | laga: I'm runnin kamikaze |
| 16:06 | <sphery> | reynaldo: Why not a frontend setting to "Always ask for language on startup" and a button to exit mythfrontend? IMHO, an "Exit now" button would be far more useful to 99% of users than a "Change language" button, and it allows you to reuse the ask-for-language-on-first-startup code. |
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