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| 04:12 | < | `Spike> what's support look like on openbsd? |
| 04:12 | < | `Spike> bahh just read onjoin |
| 04:12 | < | `Spike> sorry i'll ask elsewhere. |
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| 07:53 | <justinh> | afternoon |
| 07:54 | <justinh> | noticed keys.txt hasn't been updated when multirec was merged. does http://pastebin.ca/866184 look ok? |
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| 10:07 | <laga> | justinh: btw, there's a sudoku plugin für vdr :) |
| 10:08 | <justinh> | but I don't care about vdr :) |
| 10:08 | * | laga just playing the devil's advocate |
| 10:09 | <justinh> | you mean - if I get around to writing it before somebody else does it'll be another bullet point we can compare against |
| 10:09 | <laga> | haha |
| 10:09 | <laga> | well, it could be motivational :) |
| 10:10 | <justinh> | nah. right now I feel like "oh you want sudoku, go get VDR" |
| 10:10 | <justinh> | been relaxing & playing with some graphics ideas I've had |
| 10:11 | <laga> | been working on mythbuntu-diskless |
| 10:11 | <laga> | looking good so far |
| 10:12 | <laga> | sudo ltsp-build-client --mythbuntu --mythbuntu-copy-user-credentials will create a squashfs with mythbuntu and your user name + password and set up almost everything |
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| 10:12 | <clever> | ive built a nfsroot'ed frontend |
| 10:12 | <clever> | and ive managed to get the root to share between 3 frontends with little trouble |
| 10:13 | <laga> | just need to edit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd3.conf and put in your ip address and you're ready. (simplied process ;)) |
| 10:13 | <laga> | clever: how fast do they boot? |
| 10:13 | <clever> | about 1-2mins |
| 10:13 | <clever> | depends on which one |
| 10:13 | <clever> | give me a sec to check exactly |
| 10:14 | <laga> | well, the ltsp people use squashfs for a reason. my VM boots into mythtv in about 50 seconds |
| 10:14 | <justinh> | laga: ah yeah but will it bork the mysql stuff properly? :P |
| 10:14 | <clever> | 94-100 seconds from kernel to rc.local |
| 10:14 | <clever> | my rc.local reads /proc/uptime into a log |
| 10:15 | <laga> | justinh: easy one. in ubuntu hardy, ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt will be a symlink to /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| 10:15 | <clever> | laga: it has booted in 63 seconds 8 times |
| 10:15 | <laga> | justinh: that should result in much less breakage :) |
| 10:15 | <laga> | clever: nice |
| 10:16 | <clever> | lifetime worst was 448 seconds |
| 10:16 | <clever> | thats not counting how long the bios+pxelinux+tftp stages took |
| 10:16 | <clever> | which are a few seconds on avg |
| 10:16 | <laga> | i was counting that :) granted, a VM POSTs much faster than a real box |
| 10:17 | <clever> | ive also got gnome on that shared root |
| 10:17 | <clever> | so i can use any of the netbooting laptops as a gnome system |
| 10:17 | <clever> | which helps greatly because one of them just had a hdd go tits up |
| 10:17 | <clever> | the nfsroot has nearly replaced that hdd |
| 10:18 | <clever> | and it floats between 3 systems so i can get faster cpu usage without swaping hdd's |
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| 10:18 | <clever> | close X and startx on another! |
| 10:18 | <clever> | ive even got compiz working on 2 of them |
| 10:19 | <laga> | it "floats"? |
| 10:19 | <justinh> | mythfrontend even works sometimes ! |
| 10:19 | <clever> | laga: the whole config and programs are on every system |
| 10:19 | <laga> | justinh: can you put a howto on the wiki? :) |
| 10:19 | <clever> | laga: before i was psysicaly moving the hdd between 3 laptops but now ive got it in all 3 at once! |
| 10:19 | <justinh> | laga: for what? |
| 10:19 | <laga> | clever: sounds like something which breaks easily |
| 10:19 | <laga> | justinh: how you made it work sometimes :) |
| 10:20 | <justinh> | I meant clever's nfsroot split 3 days sometimes results in mythfrontend working |
| 10:20 | <justinh> | s/days/ways |
| 10:20 | <clever> | the color problems i was having are related to having both ati and nvidia drivers installed |
| 10:20 | <clever> | ive fixed that |
| 10:20 | <laga> | %) |
| 10:20 | <clever> | only problem now is the keyboard input randomly stops working(so far in myth,firefox,openoffice) |
| 10:20 | <laga> | having two drivers? yes, that's what i meant :)) |
| 10:20 | <clever> | and mythfrontend randomly cant find the decoder for mpeg2 |
| 10:21 | <clever> | the nvidia drivers override the ati ones |
| 10:21 | <clever> | killing glx on ati |
| 10:21 | <laga> | i know. i hae a similar setup |
| 10:21 | <laga> | have* |
| 10:21 | <clever> | i used a custom modulepath entry in xorg.conf and symlinks to trick it into using ati |
| 10:21 | <laga> | although the ati card will be kicked out soon because the free driver sucks |
| 10:21 | <clever> | and a LD_PRELOAD to patch the client side lb's |
| 10:21 | <laga> | that's exactly what i did :) |
| 10:21 | <clever> | but i forgot to LD_PRELOAD the mythfrontend |
| 10:21 | <justinh> | meanwhile, in the land of topics... |
| 10:21 | <clever> | so mythfrontend used the nvidia glx on the ati glx |
| 10:22 | <justinh> | any thoughts on the diff for keys.txt I posted earlier? |
| 10:22 | <laga> | justinh: go code your sudoku menu ;) |
| 10:22 | <clever> | causing the colors to go all weird when myth had focus |
| 10:22 | <clever> | ive since fixed that |
| 10:22 | <clever> | now its just the keyboard input trouble and the decoder problem |
| 10:22 | <clever> | the decoder one feels like a race condition |
| 10:23 | <clever> | and with 3 nfsroot's and 1 normal its bound to hit the nfsroot's more often:P |
| 10:23 | <justinh> | laga: way too much to do before I do that. various things on my list include porting mythappearance to mythui, integrating mythappearance, look at making the setup screens safe area er.. safe, improving programme searching a la mythmusic's search... |
| 10:23 | <clever> | ive also got 2 normal roots sharing the bin/lib for myth off nfs but i rarely use them |
| 10:24 | <clever> | bbl |
| 10:28 | <GreyFoxx> | Seriously, do most distros these days take multiple MINUTES to boot and get to a workable X?!?? |
| 10:29 | <laga> | GreyFoxx: nfs root is slow |
| 10:30 | <GreyFoxx> | laga: My MSNTV's nfsroot and take 12-15 seconds |
| 10:30 | <rooaus> | justinh: The keys.txt patch looked fine to me FWIW. |
| 10:30 | <GreyFoxx> | was 20 something before I trimmed some of the init scripts |
| 10:30 | <laga> | GreyFoxx: 15seconds?! |
| 10:30 | <GreyFoxx> | yes |
| 10:31 | <laga> | is mythfrontend already usable then? |
| 10:31 | <GreyFoxx> | from first kernel load to X up with myth running |
| 10:31 | <GreyFoxx> | yeah |
| 10:31 | <laga> | wow. |
| 10:31 | <GreyFoxx> | add maybe 2-3 seconds for hardware post before it loads the kernel |
| 10:32 | <laga> | i suppose there isn't a lot of hardware to be detected, i suppose. my laptop hangs like 5-10s at one point. but i compiled that kernel myself so it's my own fault |
| 10:32 | <GreyFoxx> | heh |
| 10:32 | <laga> | gotta run, cya later :) |
| 10:32 | <GreyFoxx> | later |
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| 11:40 | <justinh> | laga: mythbuntu diskless from powered off to mythfrontend menus in <50 secs & I've still not got around to stopping SAMBA starting up yet |
| 11:43 | <Daviey> | justinh: using NFS root? |
| 11:43 | <justinh> | Daviey: yeah |
| 11:43 | <Daviey> | where is the kernel? |
| 11:44 | <Daviey> | tftp or local? |
| 11:44 | <justinh> | over tftp/pxe with an initramfs |
| 11:45 | <justinh> | I want to get STR to work at some point but that's going to need a home made kernel. never done that successfully on ubuntu yet |
| 11:49 | <Daviey> | sound "dubious" :) |
| 11:52 | <justinh> | what's dubious about it? last time I followed some weird & wonderful convoluted method which resulted in me having to restore a backup |
| 11:52 | <justinh> | don't want to have to make a package of my own kernel damnit |
| 11:52 | <GreyFoxx> | he's referring to the patches thread on -dev :) |
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| 11:53 | <laga> | there's nothing easier and cleaner than creating a kernel package on ubuntu/debian |
| 11:53 | <justinh> | nothing easier... </doubt> |
| 11:53 | <laga> | for some reason, a kernel package built with the stock config results in a 220MB package :) |
| 11:53 | <laga> | stock meaning their config for the default kernels |
| 11:54 | <justinh> | it'd need to be a custom config to keep the bloat down anyway. I can just about remember how to do that |
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| 11:56 | <laga> | make defconfig and then enable the stuff you need. |
| 11:57 | <justinh> | easy for you to say. I'll look into it when I have some time |
| 11:57 | <laga> | note: rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386/ is not the same thing as chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 |
| 11:57 | <justinh> | right now my other projects are higher priority than saving the planet |
| 11:58 | <laga> | i wonder if suspend to disk would work well over nbd |
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| 12:08 | <janneg> | skamithi: Daniel wrote most of the xvmc checks and the checks can't work if you don't have libXvMCW |
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| 13:53 | <__gnome42> | janneg: You mentioned sigmon leaks ... Should we be calling SignalMonitor::deleteLater() at the end of DTVSignalMonitor::deleteLater() ? |
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| 14:34 | <janneg> | __gnome42: there is at least a QObject::deleteLater() missing |
| 14:35 | <__gnome42> | janneg: yeah, exactly |
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| 14:49 | <justinh> | laga: see what you mean about the VDR plugin. might be a source of.. inspiration. but no, got too many other worthy things to do |
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| 15:02 | * | xris keeps forgetting to connect to IRC now that it doesn't share a window with IM. |
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| 15:36 | <enhanced> | howdy all |
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| 15:50 | <MrGandalf> | damn, another bug |
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| 16:02 | <MrGandalf> | I hate spending hours on a bug I thought I created just to find out it was there all along.. |
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| 16:31 | <Anduin> | xris: do you mind if I change the perl bindings .pro to delete Makefile.perl on clean? |
| 16:32 | <xris> | I think that Makefile.perl has to stay |
| 16:32 | <xris> | unless the .pro generates it |
| 16:32 | <Anduin> | It does |
| 16:32 | <xris> | ah, then no problem |
| 16:33 | <Anduin> | Normally Makefile.perl would remove itself, the problem is when switching archs, it doesn't actually cleanup (failed dependency kill the make) |
| 16:33 | <xris> | ah |
| 16:35 | <xris> | well, looks like gbee broke the tentative .21 release date on -dev. :) |
| 16:35 | <xris> | "broke the news of" |
| 16:36 | <gbee> | xris: didn't think I was saying anything that hadn't been said before |
| 16:36 | <Anduin> | Marchish had been thrown out before |
| 16:36 | <xris> | not sure. I don't read those lists very often. |
| 16:38 | <gbee> | I think there is every chance we'll have a release candidate out by mid/late Feb, with a full release sometime around early March |
| 16:38 | <laga> | yay for release candidates |
| 16:38 | <xris> | yeah, sounds good. |
| 16:39 | <xris> | I'm pleased to get the video playback stuff resizeable... |
| 16:39 | <xris> | still glitchy, though. need caskater to implement some new flex stuff that he learned. |
| 16:39 | <hads> | Yeah, it was definitly there before, in "[ANNOUNCE] Dropping MySQL v3 and v4 support in SVN" by David Engel on 2007-12-09 |
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| 16:40 | <gbee> | well I'm only mentioning RCs because packagers had expressed the desire to offer them, I'm not sure what Chutt thinks to the idea, but since SVN based packages have been around for a while now without any big problems, I think it's a good idea |
| 16:41 | <laga> | yay for trunk packages |
| 16:46 | <gbee> | does "apt-get build-dep mythtv" get all dependancies, including mysql etc? |
| 16:46 | <laga> | gbee: mysql headers |
| 16:47 | <gbee> | but not the client/server? |
| 16:48 | <janneg> | not the library itself and the qt client? |
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| 17:09 | <xris> | I really need to re-build my svn spec script and get it into rpmfusion/livna. |
| 17:09 | <xris> | guess I'll talk to j-rod tomorrow and see if we can combine efforts |
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| 17:53 | <xris> | so I'm looking at compiling mythfrontend for my mac... how's the status of compiling against qt 4? |
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| 18:00 | <janneg> | xris: the mythtv-qt4 branch compiles and runs on linux but it won't work with current trunk due to the multirec merge |
| 18:02 | <xris> | I'll just grab qt3 for mac |
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| 18:52 | <MrGandalf> | blah |
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| 19:16 | <justinh> | gbee: been taking that xface for a spin just now. that dvd cover thing is something that'd never occurred to me before. draw order ftw! |
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| 19:18 | <gbee> | heh, it occured to me, I just decided to keep it for a future them as it didn't quite work for metallurgy - guess I lost out on the honours for being the first person to implement it |
| 19:19 | <justinh> | IMHO any images borrowed from MP skins don't count anyway |
| 19:19 | <gbee> | aye it's cheating |
| 19:21 | <justinh> | looks better in the screenshots IMHO. there's too much contrast I think. very good effort for a 1st theme though. better than projectgrayhem was I reckon |
| 19:23 | <gbee> | as much as people liked metallurgy for being different, I don't think I could keep ahead of the curve even if I tried, I expect some even better themes to start appearing in the next year |
| 19:23 | <justinh> | I just hope there's not all re-scrapes of windows skins |
| 19:24 | <gbee> | but as I've said all along, that was one of the motivations of metallurgy, to serve as one example of how it was possible to stretch the limitations of the existing UI code |
| 19:25 | <justinh> | you gave me a good kick up the arse |
| 19:25 | <justinh> | thing is though, I'm waiting til the mythui port is more underway before I do anything else themewise for myself |
| 19:26 | <gbee> | justinh: you created the best themes possible within the known limits of the UI at the time |
| 19:27 | <justinh> | and I want to help push the limits of the UI too now. dying to get coding again |
| 19:27 | <gbee> | mythui is going to be fun |
| 19:27 | <gbee> | _really_ fun |
| 19:28 | <justinh> | did you see PaulH's post the other week? he's been playing with t' new code, making it all doo-hicky & thingies |
| 19:28 | <gbee> | the ideas I've got now for mythui themes won't even scratch the surface of what someone will prove to be possible |
| 19:28 | <gbee> | justinh: no I didn't, but I heard it mentioned |
| 19:28 | <justinh> | get cape (make more mythui). wear cape (make mythui themes). fly! |
| 19:28 | <gbee> | sounds like he was playing with the moveto stuff |
| 19:29 | <justinh> | I had an evil idea to bring something to the OSD the other night when I saw some of the awful BBC Three screen junk. be a bugger to theme it though |
| 19:32 | <justinh> | gbee: that xface theme really has a good spark in places. so tempted to email the guy & offer some tips to encourage him but scared it'll backfire |
| 19:33 | <justinh> | reading his text files seems his english isn't the strongest so it'll be hard not to be misinterpreted anyway |
| 19:34 | <gbee> | right, bed for me |
| 19:35 | <justinh> | g'nighty |
| 19:35 | <gbee> | g'night |
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| 19:55 | <TelnetManta> | jams: any idea what the keystroke would be? |
| 19:55 | <TelnetManta> | I tried A |
| 19:56 | <rooaus> | gbee: night |
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| 19:58 | <rooaus> | justinh: I think that is a nice offer, language barrier aside, I think he should take that as a complement. |
| 20:01 | <justinh> | I might draft something up & put some eggshells down first |
| 20:05 | <rooaus> | You could soften it with something about the upcoming release of 0.21 and the transition issues from 0.20->0.21. |
| 20:07 | <justinh> | that might be good if I could remember myself :) |
| 20:07 | <rooaus> | lol |
| 20:08 | <justinh> | just airbrushed the mirror image camcorder |
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| 22:20 | <MrGandalf> | has anyone noticed that trunk doesn't seem to be deinterlacing? |
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| 23:14 | <mumrah> | what is the support like for mythtv on the intel macs? |
| 23:14 | <mumrah> | running some flavor of *nix |
| 23:15 | <hads> | See topic |
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