TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#mythtv:2007:11:20

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00:15	<flyback>	oh yeah wrong chan
00:15	<flyback>	ltns Beirdo
00:16	<flyback>	hope we get along next time :0
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06:34	<gbee>	anyone else unable to compile mythmusic at the moment?
06:34	<stuarta>	haven't tried lately.
06:35	<gbee>	err, nevermind, it's one of my own additions in my local tree which is failing due to the dialogbox code changes
06:35	<stuarta>	heh
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16:04	<gbee>	janneg: cutmark positions are ok and I've fixed font scaling, although at the moment it's a hack - http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/hidef_OSD2.png
16:05	<gbee>	the theme is at 720p resolution, no point going higher since I don't have much 1080 material to test with
16:06	<gbee>	even the video there is just standard PAL
16:07	<GreyFoxx>	Changing the native res of the OSD to match the X res ?
16:07	<justinh>	wooo :)
16:08	<justinh>	but I'm guessing that the current (i.e. released) code will merely assume the base res is 640x480 & thus not rescale any graphics
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16:10	<gbee>	GreyFoxx: allowing themers to change the base resolution of the OSD theme
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16:10	<gbee>	justinh: yeah, not backwards compatible reallu
16:11	<gbee>	y
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16:11	<gbee>	instead of 640x480 (the current hardcoded default) that theme is using 1280x720, though the benefits will be more apparent at HD resolutions
16:11	<justinh>	gbee: not to worry :)
16:12	<justinh>	the benefits will be apparent on anything but a CRT TV
16:12	<gbee>	heh, true
16:12	<laga>	maybe some people who run their tv-out encoders at 1024x768 will see it ;)
16:12	<justinh>	I doubt it
16:13	<gbee>	a side by side comparison screenshot would help illustrate the quality difference, but that would mean recreating an existing theme at high res and I can't be bothered
16:13	<justinh>	unless they have TVs which run to 9MHz video bandwidth. Maybe B&O owners
16:13	<justinh>	just put a condom on your head, down past your eyes to simulate 640x480
16:13	<justinh>	or if you wear glasses, smear some grease on the lenses
16:15	<justinh>	pardon me for being mega picky here gbee, but some of the letters in the text look different somehow
16:15	<justinh>	like the kerning/leading is all to hell
16:16	<justinh>	might just be the font of course
16:16	<stuarta>	anyone running their machine with dual head + xinerama?
16:17	<gbee>	justinh: afaik the font is freesans since I've not overridden it, but if it's not a font issue, then I really haven't got a clue what the cause is
16:17	<justinh>	gbee: ah! that reminds me of another thing I noticed while doing themery. placement of text areas isn't always pixel perfect & I can't work out for the life of me why that is. e.g. in mythvideo.. sometimes have to tweak values by single pixels for the same size font to align vertically
16:18	<gbee>	the font scaling gave me a headache for a while, I was being a little dim, the fonts at 1280 where half the size they were at 640 and I couldn't see the obvious .... doh
16:18	<hads>	stuarta: I run a friends with dualhead, and my desktop when I want to watch something.
16:19	<justinh>	could be differences in the maths because of scaling, I've guessed in the past - but surely not while you're in dev mode verifying it's ok at the native (1280x720) res
16:19	<gbee>	justinh: yeah, those sorts of issues drive me made, seems worse with the OSD somehow
16:19	<stuarta>	hads: out of interest will the frontend confine itself to one screen or use both?
16:19	<hads>	stuarta: One screen usually, there's a setting for it.
16:19	<stuarta>	ah nice.
16:19	<justinh>	and if the scaling factor is 99.8 or something, 200 * 99.8 should be the same as 200 * 99.8 whatever
16:19	[~]	stuarta considers turning on xinerama
16:20	<hads>	stuarta: Setup -> Appearance, page 2
16:20	<stuarta>	first i have to hack my xorg.conf :)
16:21	<gbee>	justinh: I've come to hate scaling calculations, I'll try and get the best results I can from them, but someone else may want to take a stab to get the pixel perfect results
16:23	<justinh>	I thought about them once. I thought it'd be as simple as window size / theme size
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16:26	<justinh>	I still want to have a crack at nobbling the menu pages to make them obey some notional safe area rule
16:28	<gbee>	there is some odd 1 pixel out issues with cut mark placement, but I've seen the same thing with 640 OSD themes so I'm not sure whether I need to worry about it - http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/hidef_OSD3.png
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16:31	<stuarta>	well that was fun
16:32	<stuarta>	works okay.
16:32	<stuarta>	apart from no difference in frontend placement between screen 0 & 1
16:32	<gbee>	justinh: I think most of those scaling oddities are caused by differences in rounding, since the results of scaling will rarely be exact integers you need to round up/down and you can end up a pixel out if it's done differently
16:32	<stuarta>	luckily for me it turned up on the desired screen
16:34	<justinh>	gbee: yeah I realised that early on, but are you telling me that the scaling is done differently all over the place?
16:34	<justinh>	to be honest I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised
16:34	<gbee>	justinh: honestly I don't know
16:34	<janneg>	stuarta: last time I tried screen selection worked
16:35	<justinh>	when Dagmar started sounding off about the hard-codedness of the transcoding/recording profiles. hee hee
16:35	<stuarta>	janneg: k, wouldn't surprise me if this xorg driver is buggy as shit
16:37	<stuarta>	it's the open source ATI one.
16:37	<laga>	i know that support for interlaced modelines is buggy. :/
16:38	<stuarta>	i can't bring myself to run the propriatry driver however
16:39	<gbee>	the inability to delete profiles you've created is definately lame
16:40	<gbee>	I just haven't had the motivation to fix it though
16:41	<stuarta>	i'm beginning to suspect that the a/v sync code doesn't take the timestretch into account
16:43	<janneg>	stuarta: the radeon driver is better than the propriatry shit
16:43	<stuarta>	hence my reluctance :)
16:44	<stuarta>	shoulda bought an nvidia when i blew the last card up
16:44	<janneg>	it is actually quite good if it supports the card at all
16:45	<laga>	nope
16:45	<stuarta>	heh.
16:45	<laga>	mythtv UI is horribly slow if acceleration is enabled.
16:45	<janneg>	omg: #4197 running 6 backends
16:46	<stuarta>	sadly the radeon driver won't do accelleration on my card
16:46	<laga>	it doesn't matter whether you use the qt painter or not. but as soon as you set NoAccel to true it works like a charm
16:46	<stuarta>	in the config?
16:46	<laga>	yup
16:47	<laga>	and i'm not the only one with that problem. as soon as the interlaced output is fixed, i'll investigate the slowness
16:47	<stuarta>	mine works okay
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16:48	<laga>	stuarta: yeah, because you don't have acceleration
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16:48	<stuarta>	on certain content (like what i'm watching now) it jumps between deint & progressive
16:48	<stuarta>	laga: ahh..
16:48	<janneg>	laga: it works on my notebook
16:49	<laga>	janneg: interesting. are you using any special options in your xorg.conf? i've found that it works better with EXA, but it's still noticeable
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16:53	<janneg>	laga: I can't check. just replace the linux distribution on my notebook
16:54	<stuarta>	probably not a lot of special options then :)
16:54	<stuarta>	ugh
16:54	[~]	stuarta <- has the flu
16:55	<janneg>	I haven't tried with the new one
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17:15	<stuarta>	ooo channel-scan's been merged.
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17:24	<janneg>	stuarta: huh? I see only merge from trunk
17:25	<stuarta>	i'll re-read my emails
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---	Log	opened Tue Nov 20 17:46:51 2007
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18:00	<gbee>	for once I wish we didn't reuse containers, I can't do what I planned with the OSD because the position information and volume use the same generic container
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18:12	<justinh>	gbee: good case there for more contexts ;)
18:14	<gbee>	in this case context probably wouldn't be enough, since I wanted them to be at completely different positions and sizes, but I'm not going to change the code this time since I'd never finish the theme
18:18	<gbee>	I'd like to see <area>s in OSD container too, nearly finished writing a patch for that but stopped when I realised that it was taking me away from working on the theme
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18:31	<janneg>	gbee: I just found a apparently incomplete recording. It is from september, i.e. after the fixes I thought of
18:33	<gbee>	janneg: at least I'm not the only one :) I'll will get you some logs before the end of the week, assuming you still need them then
18:36	<janneg>	it is the only one I've seen since we finished the known bugs in multirec. logs are appreciated
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19:27	<gbee>	http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/hidef_OSD4.png
19:28	<gbee>	someone butchered my extended status text container, otherwise that would be right-aligned on the other side :(
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19:42	<janneg>	argh, I should look on commits based on partly bogus patches
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20:44	<cmoates>	you referring to my patch, janneg?
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20:53	<janneg>	cmoates: yes, the patch is ok only for a single backend and I should have noticed it
20:54	<cmoates>	yeah, sorry for that :/
20:54	<cmoates>	However, shouldn't the stat()'s just fail gracefully?
20:54	<cmoates>	I guess if you had the samely named mount point, but they were on diff backends, it would not fail gracefully
20:54	<janneg>	not if the directory exists
20:58	<janneg>	cmoates: I hope that my other changes solves the problem too or make it so unlikely nobody sees it in the wild
20:58	<cmoates>	Sure
20:58	<cmoates>	I didn't look deeply at the specifics of the other patch
20:58	<cmoates>	looks like you're getting fsid's when possible?
21:01	<janneg>	I cache the fsIDs, so two devices that once were distinct will never be joined
21:02	<janneg>	and only busy recorders are used for the max write rate in the used space check
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21:04	<janneg>	since at startup usually no encoder is busy, two directories share only the filesystem if difference of used space is less than 2M
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21:48	<Captain_Murdoch>	janneg: is there anything in there to unjoin if the free space amounts on 2 directories diverges? (ie, will it correct a false positive or keep with it's initial assumption)
22:12	<cmoates>	That'd be necessary for two new, empty, identical disks added to a storage group, sounds like
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22:14	<janneg>	Captain_Murdoch: false positives are corrected as soon as the used space diverges enough
22:15	<cmoates>	Ok, so it'll be smart enough the second time arond
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22:29	<janneg>	false negatives aren't. I hope the they are unlikely enough. I rushed the autoexpirer changes in, just found another bug :(
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