TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#mythtv:2007:03:21

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03:16	<knowledgejunkie>	Could someone please point me to the backend library(ies) which deal with channel icon handling. No reply in -users to my earlier query.
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12:32	<gbee>	heh, I'm suffering temporary amnesia, forgotten how to use valgrind
12:55	<Snow-Man>	Sounds more like a self-preservation instinct.
12:55	<Snow-Man>	;)
12:56	<gbee>	:)
12:57	<gbee>	went looking for leaks in mythmusic, but the report has a lot of references to frequencytables.cpp
12:57	<Chutt>	those are, i believe, allocated once but never freed
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13:05	<gbee>	http://www.pastebin.ca/405350 <= I'll let someone else pick over the bones of that, I need to go back and kill mythmusic to get at the leak there
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13:17	<xris>	Chutt: http://forevermore.net/mythtv/newpost.html
13:20	<Chutt>	have to be in a bit
13:20	<Chutt>	today's sucking.
13:25	<xris>	no problem. just wanted to get it written before I forgot about it. :)
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18:16	<knowledgejunkie>	Could someone please point me to the backend library(ies) which deal with channel icon handling. No reply in -users to my earlier query.
18:26	<Snow-Man>	Yeah, that doesn
18:26	<Snow-Man>	erm
18:26	<Snow-Man>	That doesn't actually mean to ask in here.
18:27	<gbee>	libs/libmythtv/ - programinfo.cpp, guidegrid.cpp to name two
18:29	<gbee>	programs/mythbackend/mainserver.cpp - might help with your specific problem
18:30	<knowledgejunkie>	gbee: thanks for the pointer
18:33	<knowledgejunkie>	gbee: in addtion to my earlier information, my slave machine completely fails to display any icons - same location, same perms, etc, etc
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18:59	<jd86>	http://psunit.com/gdb.txt I have recently (past week or so) been having trouble keeping my master backend running, I use svn trunk, i have a secondary backend and master backend. It seems like after completing some comm flagging my master backend die, from most recent crash (see end of file -- i think more than one might have slipped in).. I am using r13099 which is of this morning. If this really should be in mythtv-users, not sure who to ask.
19:00	<kvandivo>	ideally, that could be mailed to mythdev... but, you didn't make the trace correctly
19:02	<jd86>	kvandivo, alright... I thought I followed what I should have correctly (i think it might be a few backtraces in there so the beginning was definitely wrong) and I just restarted after moving gdb.txt so it should only be this one -- but not totally sure if its correct now. I enabled debugging in qt and mythtv... what else should I do? I tried to follow guide on mythtv.org... I will review, rebuild if I messed something up and then post to mythtv-
19:02	<jd86>	dev
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19:02	<kvandivo>	http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 be sure to compile that way and do all the necessary commands
19:03	<jd86>	yeah, I (thought) i did that, but I very well could have missed something essential.
19:03	<kvandivo>	just looks like there are way too many ?? in that file....
19:05	<jd86>	yeah there are wayy too many indeed.. i didn't realize until reviewing it again that it concatenates to the file and doesn't overwrite re-running now and will re-review that page.
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19:11	<jd86>	kvandivo, thanks for the advice -- once I get one clean backtrace I'll mail it to mythtv-dev.
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20:51	<bulle>	hi ! just wanted to tell you that you dev guys are doing amazing work
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21:11	<Smirnov>	does anyone happen to knw why mythtv doesnt work on win32
21:15	<sigger_>	Smirnov, wow that's either a long or short (probably because noone feels like doing it) discussion that's probably best on -users
21:15	<Smirnov>	i was just there, they said ask the devs
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21:15	<Smirnov>	and why would a non-dev user know the answer? i would expect it to be technical like a dependency on something that hasnt been ported to win32 yet
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21:16	<sigger_>	heh. because many of them are in there and discuss non-current development things there.
21:16	<Smirnov>	many of the devs are in there you mean?
21:16	<sigger_>	yes
21:17	<Smirnov>	oh.. i can try again i suppose
21:17	<sigger_>	hit or miss really as to who you find around
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21:20	<Smirnov>	sigh.. looks like a miss
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21:47	<Chutt>	hah, what's up with #2344
21:47	<Chutt>	err, #3244
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21:53	<knowledgejunkie>	Please close ticket #3066 as the attached patch will not be applied now that the new services.mythtv.org infrastructure is in place
21:55	<Captain_Murdoch>	Chutt, could close as "works for me" since it does using the internal player. :)
22:02	<sigger_>	ah Captain_Murdoch! you have some time to talk about the telnet code?
22:03	<sigger_>	gbee says thats your baby.
22:06	<Captain_Murdoch>	yeah, sure.
22:07	<Captain_Murdoch>	I saw your post in scrollback, but didn't read enough to figure out what you were trying to accomplish.
22:07	<sigger_>	heh, I'll summarize:
22:11	<sigger_>	was thinking about enabling mythmusic to use mpd as a player; mpd has many clients that can control it via telnet and those clients might be easier to use on large music repositories than a remote control....
22:11	<Smirnov>	telnet is ew
22:11	<Captain_Murdoch>	so you're talking mythmusic controlling something else, not something else controlling mythmusic?
22:12	<sigger_>	realized it might be better to enable mythmusic to receive telnet commands like mpd, in such a way that it would not be hard to change a mpd client to talk to myth instead
22:12	<sigger_>	talking about something else controlling mythmusic
22:13	<sigger_>	I worked on ampache - a music server program that can be an mpd client - so I'm pretty familiar with how all that works,
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22:13	<Captain_Murdoch>	so this would send commands and mythmusic would display things on screen as it played or what?
22:14	<Captain_Murdoch>	seems almost like another connection directly to the mythmusic plugin would make more sense, especialy if you want it to work with existing clients.
22:14	<sigger_>	looking to add to networkcontrol so that it could control mythmusic.
22:15	<sigger_>	mmm, perhaps. gbee cautioned me that it should really use the existing.
22:15	<Captain_Murdoch>	is this mpd protocol flexible? how would an existing mpd client know how to talk to the network control interface in Myth?
22:16	<Captain_Murdoch>	you want to send commands like "play /path/to/some/filename.mp3"??
22:16	<sigger_>	well actually, we could use the same commands, just preceded by MythMusic for example
22:16	<sigger_>	yes
22:16	<sigger_>	Here's the mpd commands for a quick scan. https://svn.musicpd.org/mpd/trunk/doc/COMMANDS
22:17	<sigger_>	e.g. mythmusic pause or mythmusic delete <songid>
22:17	<Captain_Murdoch>	how would an existing mpd client know that it would need to preceed those commands with MythMusic when talking with mythfrontend?
22:19	<sigger_>	well, e.g. ampache has modules for controlling different devices, one of which is mpd. it'd take me about 1 hour to change that module to precede all commands with mythmusic.
22:19	<sigger_>	as to other clients, gmpc, etc, similarly easy rewrite.
22:20	<Captain_Murdoch>	so it wouldn't work with 'out of the box' clients, it would require custom clients.
22:20	<sigger_>	slightly customized yes
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22:20	<sigger_>	are you familiar with mpd?
22:20	<Captain_Murdoch>	yeah, but if someone had other mpd 'servers', they'd need 2 sets of clients since we didn't support true mpd.
22:20	<Captain_Murdoch>	no, not a clue. :)
22:21	<sigger_>	ah, stable, widely used, available in many distros, etc.
22:21	<Captain_Murdoch>	another reason not to mess with the protocol. :)
22:21	<sigger_>	or clients could have a switch as to what format to use. (with or without mythmusic).
22:22	<Captain_Murdoch>	I think it sounds like it would be better to just support the standard. is there a standard port?
22:22	<sigger_>	actually it would know which format to use when you tell it what port. mpd uses 6600
22:22	<Captain_Murdoch>	yeah, but all these existing clients wouldn't support it and would have to be patched.
22:23	<sigger_>	hmm, I suppose I could write a thread for mythmusic that listens to port 6600, I just don't want to take away from what you're doing.
22:23	<sigger_>	there really coulnd't be an easier patch. and it would create a very easy path for mythmusic to have a batch of clients quickly
22:24	<Captain_Murdoch>	but why be different?
22:24	<sigger_>	of course, if networkcommand were expanded in this way (able to give commands to plugins rather than just jump to a spot) it would create the ability to create a controller for more plugins. e.g. mythvideo
22:24	<Captain_Murdoch>	asking theoretical questions here.... what happens if someone sends a play command to this while watching a video in Myth?
22:25	<Captain_Murdoch>	is there any kind of header/handshake?
22:25	<sigger_>	sure. in which scenario? in networkcommand? well nothing if mythmusic isn't running.
22:26	<Captain_Murdoch>	one issue also is that the network control stuff is limited to one connection at a time.
22:26	<sigger_>	I don't picture that to be a problem.
22:26	<Captain_Murdoch>	so mythmusic has to be running already in order to use this. seems like mythmusic should just listen itself then.
22:27	<sigger_>	believe me I'm not pushing for that becuase it would be easier for me to write a thread for just mythmusic, but wouldn't you want myth to have one main controller on one port?
22:27	<Captain_Murdoch>	in order for the network control stuff to send commands, it would have to send out MythEvents and there would have to be a listener in MythMusic to receive and act on them.
22:27	<sigger_>	yeah that's kinda what I was picturing
22:28	<Captain_Murdoch>	not sure about 1 vs multiple.
22:28	<sigger_>	I'm picturing that someone would then get the idea to create a crestron gizmo out of a tablet pc or nokia 800 or such.
22:29	<sigger_>	would be easier to do with one port.
22:30	<Captain_Murdoch>	yeah. so when a mpd client connects to a server, does it send any handshake?
22:30	<sigger_>	yes. looking up
22:30	<Captain_Murdoch>	ie, could we automatically detect this was a mpd client and handle accordingly?
22:31	<sigger_>	mmm, maybe not so much with the handshaking. mpd appears to just respond with OK.
22:32	<sigger_>	apparently no handshaking. just OK.
22:32	<Captain_Murdoch>	yeah, see the ok in the commands link you sent.
22:34	<sigger_>	I hear you on preferring to keep it mpd native. instant access to clients.
22:35	<Captain_Murdoch>	looks like the server sends a handshake when the client connects, but the client doesn't send anything to say it's a mpd client.
22:35	<Captain_Murdoch>	server sends "OK MPD <version>"
22:35	<Captain_Murdoch>	http://incise.org/index.cgi/py-libmpdclient2
22:37	<Captain_Murdoch>	would be nice if the client identified itself.
22:37	<sigger_>	hmm, yep. well its been at least 6 months since I worked on the lower level telnet specific stuff
22:37	<sigger_>	aye it would be
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22:42	<sigger_>	I'm looking at the php for ampache to use mpd. it would actually take about 10 min to add mythmusic in front of each keyword as they're def'ed all in 1 place.
22:42	<Captain_Murdoch>	yeah, but then it's custom and you need 2 copies if you have another standard mpd server on your network.
22:43	<sigger_>	or could be done with a string that's either empty or contains 'mythmusic '
22:43	<sigger_>	and is prepended to the command
22:44	<sigger_>	so you'd prefer I go the easier route of doing an mpd based telnet for mythmusic? ;)
22:44	<Captain_Murdoch>	I think that this is better keeping it separate. there is 2-way communication going on and that would have to be passed back and forth with MythEvents. Much easier to integrate if the listener is in the MythMusic codebase.
22:44	<Captain_Murdoch>	yeah.
22:44	<sigger_>	works for me. I appreciate your time.
22:44	<sigger_>	thank you.
22:45	<Captain_Murdoch>	no problem. :)
22:45	<sigger_>	I will steal heavily from your code since its there :)
22:45	<sigger_>	never written a listener before so this will be interesting.
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22:46	<Captain_Murdoch>	fine, although I consider some of it hackish since I had to work around accessing the socket from multiple threads.
22:47	<sigger_>	I guess I'll still need some kind of queue for the events tho. don't picture I can just go firing off events in a separate thread. perhaps locks/mutex. eesh.
22:48	[~]	Captain_Murdoch doesn't know much about the internals of MythMusic.
22:48	<sigger_>	np. Just a general assumption on my part.
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23:05	<Chutt>	sigger, so you're going to modify mythmusic to be a mpd server?
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23:30	<xris>	Captain_Murdoch: you ever figure out if you're going to be in vancouver at the end of april?
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23:31	<Captain_Murdoch>	not sure yet. I think so. we should be getting our tickets this week. my mother-in-law is in town here for the next week and a half so we'll discuss it with her since we'll be staying at her place outside Vancouver.
23:32	<xris>	cool
23:32	<Captain_Murdoch>	should be able to, but don't have tickets yet. tentatively we'll fly up on that Thursday and I could drive back down during the day on the weekend.
23:32	<xris>	wondering if we (meaning kormoc and me) should give some sort of demo
23:33	<xris>	Chutt: if someone (say, a guy in -users) says his company gave him some money to give to mythtv and/or its devs, what would you suggest he do with it?
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