| --- | Log | opened Sat Mar 10 00:00:52 2007 |
| 00:08 | <xris> | CDev: ping |
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| 00:57 | <Speedy2> | Hey all. Does anyone have any links to DVB-S specs or standards info? I'm interested in improving the MythTV DVB-S channel scanner, but I'm lacking some details on the DVB-S stream. |
| 01:11 | <gbee> | xris: http://pastebin.ca/387932 |
| 01:11 | <xris> | gbee: thanks |
| 01:11 | <xris> | not that it does me much good. unless CDev has something that'll stream cover art, too |
| 01:12 | <gbee> | sorry I went to bed just before you asked |
| 01:12 | <xris> | you're up early |
| 01:12 | <xris> | and didn't sleep much |
| 01:12 | <gbee> | yeah :/ |
| 01:14 | <gbee> | [12983][12983] < excellant, wanted that for a while |
| 01:16 | <xris> | heh |
| 01:16 | <xris> | trying to catch up |
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| 01:17 | <xris> | I want to get mythweb as distanced from local file access as possible |
| 01:18 | <xris> | the music stuff looks problematic, though, since it actually scans the filesystem for cover.{jpg,gif} and prints it out |
| 01:23 | <xris> | do musicmetadata and musicplaylist tables still exist? I have them, but they're empty |
| 01:26 | <gbee> | they don't exist, they are still in the schema but only to allow people to downgrade |
| 01:27 | <gbee> | xris: I'm planning on putting the album art info into the database, so that will make it easier and I can then add another XML method to fetch it |
| 01:27 | <xris> | that'd be awesome |
| 01:28 | <xris> | should get someone to add it for video art, too, esp. since that's already in the db. |
| 01:33 | <gbee> | that would be simple enough |
| 01:35 | <kormoc> | is there gonna be a way to add in via xml request or similar? |
| 01:35 | <gbee> | xris: if it fails to find an icon then it's not failing silently |
| 01:35 | <xris> | gbee: error msg? |
| 01:36 | <gbee> | file_get_contents(http://192.168.0.2:6544/getChannelIcon?ChanId=1204) [function.file-get-contents]: failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.0 404 Not Found |
| 01:36 | <kormoc> | harsh, I'm getting the same |
| 01:37 | <gbee> | kormoc: possibly, you'd have to ask CDev what his plans are there |
| 01:37 | <kormoc> | nifty |
| 01:38 | <kormoc> | I'd love to just say, BACKEND!!! I command thee to use *THIS* cover art! and not care beyond that :P |
| 01:38 | <gbee> | hehe |
| 01:40 | <xris> | kormoc: fyi, I'm still having weird stuff with the frontend not displaying cover art |
| 01:40 | <kormoc> | ooh? |
| 01:41 | <xris> | gbee: thanks. and blech. |
| 01:41 | <kormoc> | xris, can you check the database for the coverart path that is set for the problem videos |
| 01:41 | <xris> | kormoc: yup. just doesn't show them |
| 01:41 | <kormoc> | for a few hours, I was setting the path wrong... |
| 01:41 | <kormoc> | hrm |
| 01:41 | <xris> | kormoc: I see them all in mythweb video |
| 01:41 | <kormoc> | might be permissions then... |
| 01:41 | <xris> | nope |
| 01:41 | [~] | kormoc blinks |
| 01:41 | <xris> | like I said, it's weird |
| 01:41 | <xris> | it's only some files. |
| 01:42 | <xris> | hahaha. ok, I see in the db. |
| 01:42 | <kormoc> | yeah, you got hit by the wrong art dir bug :P |
| 01:43 | <xris> | yeah. thought it was temporary and self-correcting |
| 01:43 | <kormoc> | I totally spaced on that one... |
| 01:43 | <kormoc> | "Why am I calculating the real path for these icons? I can just give the path I saved to... oh wait..." |
| 01:44 | <xris> | heh |
| 01:44 | <xris> | yeah, that's definitely it. |
| 01:46 | <xris> | REALLY need a browse mode in mythweb video.. heh |
| 01:46 | <kormoc> | yeah, I've been pondering how to do one |
| 01:47 | <xris> | mythvideo's looks like it actually browses the filesystem. that's kind of annoying |
| 01:47 | <kormoc> | yeah, it does |
| 01:52 | <xris> | ah, annoying that the covers are forced into a certain shape in mythweb |
| 01:52 | <kormoc> | yeah... |
| 01:52 | <kormoc> | in order to keep the layout, it's sorta needed |
| 01:52 | <kormoc> | I've been pondering putting them though gd or something similar |
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| 01:53 | <xris> | yeah |
| 01:53 | <xris> | just annoying |
| 01:54 | <xris> | or pull in the dimensions of the image and let the browser resize it within the boundaries |
| 01:54 | <kormoc> | that's what it's doing now |
| 01:55 | <xris> | no it doesn't |
| 01:55 | <kormoc> | ooh? what do you mean? |
| 01:55 | <xris> | it just hard-codes the boundaries all to a fixed size |
| 01:55 | <kormoc> | yeah... how else would the browser resize it? |
| 01:55 | <xris> | I mean if the image is 300x100, that you would pick a size like 30x10... keep the image's display ratio the same |
| 01:56 | <kormoc> | ooh |
| 01:56 | <xris> | not turn it into 60x100 or whatever |
| 01:56 | <kormoc> | hrm |
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| 02:06 | <gbee> | more intelligent scaling of the channel icons might be nice, so of them look a little distorted |
| 02:06 | <gbee> | could probably display them at a larger size on the channel detail page too |
| 02:09 | <xris> | yeah. haven't gotten that far yet. |
| 02:09 | <xris> | would rather let the backend do any scaling, etc. |
| 02:09 | <xris> | don't want people to have to muck with things like imagemagick in order to get mythweb working |
| 02:09 | <gbee> | most of my icons seem to be around 132px X 99px, so 44x33 would be better than 30x30 |
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| 02:12 | <gbee> | actually 132x99 seems to be the standard size of icons from lyngsat |
| 02:16 | <gbee> | should be simple to rescale the channel icon in the same way the preview images are now, it's just a QImage smoothscale |
| 02:16 | <xris> | gbee: not all channel icons come from lyngsat |
| 02:16 | <gbee> | true |
| 02:16 | <xris> | but yeah, lyngsat has a standard size. that's one of the things the put down as a benefit. |
| 02:17 | <gbee> | if CDev doesn't want to do the copy/paste in httpstatus to allow the backend to do the rescaling, then I can do it |
| 02:17 | <xris> | at the moment, I'm more interested in getting the backend to download the files. heh. |
| 02:17 | <xris> | then I could put the new channel icon grabber into mythweb instead of a perl script. heh. |
| 02:20 | [~] | xris grumbles about bad patches |
| 02:26 | <okolsi> | xris: my patches..? |
| 02:27 | <xris> | okolsi: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1626 |
| 02:27 | <xris> | it's just really old |
| 02:27 | <xris> | but he also switched back and forth between the db object and straight mysql functions |
| 02:28 | <okolsi> | okay |
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| 02:30 | <xris> | don't worry, not you. :) |
| 02:31 | <okolsi> | :) by the way.. I've improved the navigation in Mythweb music. I've added "Back" button to couple of places (in Browse) |
| 02:31 | <xris> | cool |
| 02:32 | <xris> | I just wish I could use it. |
| 02:32 | <xris> | heh |
| 02:32 | <okolsi> | now you can: from the album -> back to artist, from the artist -> back to Artists beginning with X |
| 02:32 | <okolsi> | so its much more easy not go around when you find music |
| 02:33 | <okolsi> | much more easy NOW to go around.. |
| 02:33 | <xris> | cool |
| 02:33 | <okolsi> | also, I've changed so that when you list all stuff from particular artist, albums now come first and after that all songs.. much more logical |
| 02:34 | <xris> | yeah, definitely |
| 02:39 | <okolsi> | xris: I already asked.. but again.. these latest changes.. should I prepare patch against current head? or first myself apply pending tickets in trac and then mention in newest ticket that before this.. you should/must apply first this, this and that..? |
| 02:40 | <xris> | go ahead and put in references to dependent tickets. |
| 02:40 | <xris> | I don't see any reason why I wouldn't be applying your patches, so I'm not too concerned if the order I apply them in matters. |
| 02:43 | <okolsi> | okay.. if you at some point end up in situation where my patches don't apply cleanly.. I can rework the patches.. it's a bit hard to maintain several patches in correct order etc.. |
| 02:47 | <knowledgejunkie> | Should program.originalairdate always contain NULL/0000-00-00 for non-US grabbers? recorded.originalairdate contains valid dates for recordings, but all upcoming listings show original airdate as 1900-01-01, which is neither correct nor particularly helpful. (Refs http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/12906) |
| 02:48 | <xris> | okolsi: I know the feeling |
| 02:54 | <gbee> | knowledgejunkie: xmltv, for example, doesn't really have an originalairdate field and I know EIT doesn't so it would seem only US grabbers have that info |
| 02:54 | <knowledgejunkie> | xris: with regard to the new services.mythtv.org infrastructure and its icon url database, should I continue to update ticket #3066 with future updates I'm making to the XMLTV uk_rt grabber? Because the channel data is timely I'd like to try and keep the icon grabber in sync with the status of the XMLTV grabber |
| 02:54 | <gbee> | mythweb currently doesn't honour the hasairdate flag, so will show 1900-01-01 |
| 02:55 | <xris> | gbee: yeah, I know. I think Bruce sent me an email about it (well, he did about something) |
| 02:55 | <xris> | knowledgejunkie: not sure, actually |
| 02:56 | <xris> | theoretically, the new stuff should handle all of that sort of stuff |
| 02:56 | <knowledgejunkie> | gbee/xris: thanks for the info |
| 02:56 | <xris> | knowledgejunkie: the new stuff should pull based on dvb ids as well as xmltvid. |
| 02:57 | <gbee> | knowledgejunkie: I wouldn't bother, once everything in lookup.txt is imported into the the new database the uk icon script will probably be removed |
| 02:58 | <xris> | gbee: I got all of the xmltvid fields imported. don't have enough "votes" (so to speak) for most of the dvb stuff, so I don't want to just approve randomly |
| 02:58 | [~] | xris wonders if he'll get his mysql training approved. |
| 02:59 | <knowledgejunkie> | xris: note that earlier this morning (UK here) I put through some updates to XMLTV CVS which updated some XMLTV IDs and channel names |
| 02:59 | <xris> | knowledgejunkie: that's fine. next time someone runs the script, it'll send the new ids to the server. |
| 03:00 | <knowledgejunkie> | great |
| 03:01 | <xris> | yet another good thing about the new method. :) |
| 03:01 | [~] | knowledgejunkie is glad he found the MythTV project :) |
| 03:05 | <knowledgejunkie> | one last thing before I crash - what's the likelihood of ticket #2862 (default playgroup fix) being committed soon? |
| 03:07 | <xris> | possibly.. I'm working on playgroup stuff right now, actually |
| 03:08 | <xris> | there. it'll go in with my next commit. |
| 03:09 | <knowledgejunkie> | awesome - I'll let you get on with it then :) |
| 03:09 | <knowledgejunkie> | night all, and thanks |
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| 03:59 | <xris> | ok, that's done. |
| 03:59 | <xris> | OLD ticket closed. heh |
| 04:00 | <gbee> | 333 tickets to go |
| 04:01 | <xris> | heh |
| 04:01 | <xris> | okolsi: ping |
| 04:02 | [~] | xris grumbles about a protocol update breaking mythweb. |
| 04:02 | <xris> | time to recompile the backend... |
| 04:11 | <xris> | gbee / kormoc: I think I fixed that channel icon transfer bug |
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| 04:15 | <xris> | crap, how'd it get to be 2 AM?! |
| 04:15 | <gbee> | heh, I've asked that question a lot |
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| 04:19 | <gbee> | xris: it's not fixed, the problem is that file_get_contents doesn't like it when it when the http_request fails |
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| 04:19 | <gbee> | umm, actually should probably update mythweb first before saying that it doesn't work |
| 04:21 | <gbee> | yeah it's fixed, my brain isn't in gear yet this morning |
| 04:21 | <xris> | heh |
| 04:21 | <xris> | best I can do is disable error reporting on that function call |
| 04:22 | <gbee> | aye |
| 04:23 | <gbee> | 331 ... |
| 04:24 | <xris> | man, this mp3act code is UGLY |
| 04:32 | [~] | xris twiddles his thumbs while mythtv recompiles. |
| 04:33 | <kormoc> | heh, yeah |
| 04:33 | <gbee> | isn't #2574 the same or related to the ticket you just closed? |
| 04:33 | <gbee> | ahh, that one was mp3_act |
| 04:34 | <xris> | music vs tv |
| 04:34 | [~] | gbee in_serts r_and_om _unde_rscore cha_rac_ters |
| 04:35 | <gbee> | just looking through tickets mentioning mfdb for anything which can be fixed/closed |
| 04:36 | [~] | xris remembers he can't test mythweb stuff because the backend is still busy compiling |
| 04:40 | <xris> | anyway, 2574 is closed now, too |
| 04:40 | <kormoc> | xris, I lost the css on the settings pages now |
| 04:40 | <xris> | oh? |
| 04:40 | <kormoc> | yeah... |
| 04:40 | <xris> | shift-reload? |
| 04:40 | [~] | kormoc loads up firebug |
| 04:41 | <xris> | I can't test anything until this compile is done (mythproto conflict) |
| 04:41 | <kormoc> | ooh nice... only in opera |
| 04:43 | <xris> | so maybe opera doesn't like the dashes? |
| 04:44 | <kormoc> | loading fine on every other page |
| 04:44 | <gbee> | well you could just change the proto version in mythweb for now |
| 04:45 | <xris> | gbee: could, but the system is bogged down, too |
| 04:45 | <gbee> | hmm, same here with opera |
| 04:45 | <gbee> | konq's fine |
| 04:46 | <gbee> | don't suppose you're interested whether it works in lynx ;) |
| 04:47 | <xris> | heh |
| 04:47 | <xris> | elinks, maybe. but not lynx |
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| 06:52 | <stuarta> | did we get anywhere with qt 3.3.8? |
| 06:55 | <gbee> | no |
| 06:56 | <stuarta> | is it actually a Qt bug? |
| 06:56 | <gbee> | seems so |
| 06:57 | <stuarta> | it's not triggered by the way we use it or anything silly like that... |
| 07:02 | <gbee> | from the description it's nothing to do with the way we use it, but I might be wrong - it's clearing up the mysql plugin in the QApp destructor even if it's already been done, I'm not aware of any requirement in the QT docs that we don't unload the mysql plugin |
| 07:03 | <gbee> | the original email to the list says that a bug has been filed with Tolltech, so obviously the Suse team don't see it as a mythtv bug |
| 07:05 | <stuarta> | cleaning up what's already cleaned up is never a good thing |
| 07:05 | <gbee> | maybe we can do something to avoid the segfault because I suspect a lot of users will upgrade to 3.8.8 before a fixed version is available |
| 07:06 | <stuarta> | possibly.... |
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| 08:08 | <just> | hi |
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| 10:46 | <gbee> | heh, somehow I accidently ended up on an archive news page when I thought I was on the homepage - it just so happened that the top news item was dated March 9th, so at first nothing looked wrong - so I was puzzled why it was talking about the upcoming release of 0.15 |
| 10:46 | <stuarta> | haha |
| 10:46 | <Chutt_> | i should update the website sometime |
| 10:46 | <Chutt_> | i'm too lazy, though |
| 10:56 | <gbee> | who's reponsible for the CD Ripping code? I'd commit #3154 if I just knew that my changes don't change the intent of that function |
| 10:59 | <Chutt_> | paulh has touched it most recently |
| 11:02 | <sigger_> | to get mythfrontend to recognize a plugin, do I just have to restart mythfrontend with the plugin in the right dir and have a menu button point to it? |
| 11:11 | <ryanr23> | Are there any guidelines to changing datatypes in database tables? The MythArchive table needs the size entry to be a BIGINT instead of an INT... don't want to break anything. |
| 11:12 | <stuarta> | guidline is just that "don't break anything" |
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| 12:15 | <fugu> | hello |
| 12:15 | <fugu> | I was told by the mythtv-users channel I should come in here |
| 12:16 | <fugu> | I sometimes get the following error when I attempt to use the guide: |
| 12:16 | <fugu> | 2007-03-10 13:15:06.657 XMLParse::LoadTheme using /usr/share/mythtv/themes/MythCenter/ui.xml |
| 12:16 | <fugu> | X Error: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) 10 |
| 12:16 | <fugu> | Major opcode: 142 |
| 12:16 | <fugu> | Minor opcode: 5 |
| 12:16 | <fugu> | Resource id: 0x800009 |
| 12:16 | <fugu> | sometimes it works |
| 12:17 | <fugu> | when I get that error video continues to play |
| 12:17 | <GreyFoxx> | I didn't see anyone tell you that, but if they did, they were wrong |
| 12:17 | <fugu> | but I have to restart the frontend |
| 12:17 | <fugu> | ok |
| 12:17 | <fugu> | sorry |
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| 13:37 | <sigger_> | can anyone confirm that the wiki page re building plugins works? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Building_Plugins:HelloMyth |
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| 14:32 | <CDev> | xirs: noticed you were looking for me last night. |
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| 14:36 | <xris> | CDev: have you given any thought to requesting album art, etc. via the xml interface? |
| 14:37 | <xris> | also wanted to ask about gbee's music directory patch, but he showed up and gave me a copy so I could compile it in. |
| 14:37 | <CDev> | no, but if you give me a method name, it's parameters and where to find the cover art, it would be easy to implement. |
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| 14:37 | <xris> | we may have to wait for gbee, then. I think he said something about wanting to add a cover art table or something like that. |
| 14:38 | <CDev> | Yes, I have merged gbee's patch, just haven't committed yet. Found a few issues when testing upnp clients. |
| 14:38 | <xris> | actually, could do the video artwork stuff now, though. that's stored in the db. |
| 14:39 | <CDev> | Shouldn't be a problem. |
| 14:40 | <CDev> | do you need to be able to resize the images when requesting? |
| 14:41 | <xris> | now THAT would be awesome. |
| 14:41 | <xris> | actually, resizing channel artwork would great, too. |
| 14:41 | <xris> | the other cool thing would be having a way to request that the backend download/store a file. |
| 14:42 | <CDev> | Not sure what you mean. Send a command to the backend and have it retrieve a file from a remote location? |
| 14:42 | <xris> | yeah |
| 14:42 | <xris> | mainly for channel icon artwork. |
| 14:42 | <xris> | I'm trying to get mythweb to the point that it doesn't need local access to any of the files. |
| 14:42 | <CDev> | Not sure I'd like that... could be used to have the backend retrieve unwanted files |
| 14:42 | <xris> | yes, that's the problem |
| 14:43 | <CDev> | I know the upnp Content Director Service spec has methods for transfering and creating content on the server. Didn't implement any, but may be a place to look for ideas |
| 14:43 | <xris> | that could work, too. |
| 14:44 | <xris> | I can get mythweb to download channel icon artwork, but it seems that in most cases, the channel icons are stored on the backend in a user's homedir, and mythweb shouldn't/wouldn't have access to that. |
| 14:44 | <xris> | personally, I'd rather just stick them in the db, but I've never really seen any interest in that from other people. |
| 14:45 | <CDev> | We are really only taking about issues with initial channel setup. right? |
| 14:45 | <CDev> | taking == talking |
| 14:46 | <xris> | and maintenance, yes. |
| 14:46 | <xris> | but video and music artwork could also be a possibility in the future |
| 14:46 | <CDev> | I agree with you that the icons/cover art should only be on the backend server and not copied everywhere. |
| 14:47 | <CDev> | just need to work out how it will get there in the first place. |
| 14:47 | <xris> | yeah |
| 14:48 | <CDev> | I think it would be less of a security risk if the artwork was stored in the db. |
| 14:49 | <CDev> | not sure how well mysql handles blobs. |
| 14:49 | <xris> | won't help for music artwork, though. too many other players rely on that being in the fs (including stuff like gtkpod) |
| 14:49 | <xris> | mysql has no trouble. we've been using it at work for years to store images (5+ meg images) |
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| 14:51 | <xris> | though I'm also less concerned about music artwork.. but damn, would be cool to be able to add a lookup feature like amarok has. |
| 14:51 | <CDev> | Will have to think about the updatablity of the images. I need to get back to working on my house addition. Hopefully, I'll have time later tonight to fix the remaining issue I have and get evertthing committed. |
| 14:51 | <xris> | (too bad dealing with the amazon.com service license stuff is a pain) |
| 14:52 | <xris> | np |
| 14:52 | <xris> | I'll talk to gbee if/when he shows up again |
| 15:22 | <gbee> | xris: I'm here |
| 15:25 | <gbee> | I can probably implement an album art table tomorrow, or at least the bulk of it - juski wanted some help with a patch he's writing so it depends if he wants to work on it tomorrow |
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| 15:52 | <Dibblah> | janneg: ? |
| 15:52 | <Dibblah> | Re ticket #3189... |
| 15:53 | <Dibblah> | Pretty sure what's happening is it's trying to rescale the images that are missing from the theme. |
| 15:55 | <janneg> | I think it's just image loading |
| 16:00 | <xris> | gbee: cool |
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| 16:01 | <xris> | question about the scanner.. How easy would it be to trigger the scanner remotely via a user job? (or a cron job?) |
| 16:02 | <gbee> | not easy at the moment |
| 16:03 | <xris> | ah, lame |
| 16:03 | <xris> | I know the video scanner has a small amount of interactive check in it, which is kind of annoying. |
| 16:04 | <gbee> | to ways to do it, either build the scanner as a seperate application (like mfdb or mythtranscode) OR move it to the backend and trigger it through the protocol/xml methods |
| 16:04 | <gbee> | s/to/two/ |
| 16:05 | <gbee> | I'm already leaning towards the second |
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| 16:21 | <xris> | they're not mutually exclusive |
| 16:21 | <xris> | ala mythtranscode, mythfilldatabase, etc. |
| 16:24 | <gbee> | no they aren't, it's just a question of whether we want another little app floating around ;) |
| 16:25 | <xris> | true |
| 16:26 | <gbee> | I mean maybe I'm being short sighted, maybe people would like a way to load music data into the database without running a backend, in which case the first method makes more sense |
| 16:27 | <xris> | sort of goes to the point of whether or not you want to require a backend. |
| 16:28 | <xris> | personally, I don't see why not |
| 16:28 | <gbee> | in which case a mythmusicscan app would be built against libmythmusic (decoders, metadata classes) and the same for the now smaller, lightweight frontend |
| 16:32 | <xris> | yup |
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| 16:47 | <GreyFoxx> | a |
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| 17:22 | <niter3> | Where can I set Aggressive sound card buffering ?? |
| 17:23 | <niter3> | I can't seem to find this option anywhere. |
| 17:24 | <niter3> | forget it. I found it |
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| 18:37 | <briand> | xris: I'd love to report that the removal of the "_" in the class names fixed the problem in IE6... but, sadly, it is not so. :( |
| 18:38 | <xris> | ouch |
| 18:38 | <briand> | sorry. :( |
| 18:47 | <xris> | anyone know if Captain_Murdoch ever got his visa in time to go to brazil? |
| 18:47 | <xris> | briand: have you tried clearing the cache, etc? |
| 18:48 | <xris> | though I guess the changed classnames in the html itself would work around that. |
| 18:48 | <briand> | no, i hadn't tried that... lemme switch over to the WinXP box and give it a shot |
| 18:48 | <xris> | I doubt it will help |
| 18:56 | <briand> | looks slightly different.. but it still seems most of the css styles are not being honored: |
| 18:56 | <briand> | http://www.briand.is-a-geek.com/IE6_ProgDetails.jpg |
| 19:02 | <xris> | ok, THAT looks more like the new css file isn't being loaded |
| 19:03 | <briand> | yeah, it looks different than before.. maybe slightly better... |
| 19:04 | <briand> | but it looks like there's no table(s) there, even though they're in the page source |
| 19:04 | <briand> | and then, yeah, the styles from the css are missing as well |
| 19:06 | <xris> | IE is notorious for ignoring cache control stuff, and for not checking for updated files often enough |
| 19:08 | <briand> | IE is notorious for a *lot* of things... |
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| 19:13 | <xris> | briand: does IE 7 work? |
| 19:14 | <briand> | I don't have IE7 on any of my machines... other (web) applications have problems with that, so I've not upgraded |
| 19:14 | <Speedy2> | Why not just use firefox? |
| 19:15 | <briand> | but, I believe someone in here mentioned it looked okay in IE7, last week -- also provided a link to a screenshot of the same program details screen... |
| 19:15 | <briand> | Speedy2: I can use what I choose to, here... but at work I don't have that luxury... we're stuck with IE6 |
| 19:15 | <xris> | briand: ahh... |
| 19:15 | <xris> | yeah, it's a pity that people are still stuck with IE 6. I thought MS had made it a nearly-mandatory upgrade. |
| 19:16 | <briand> | yes, nearly so. |
| 19:16 | <xris> | there may not be much I can do about it, unfortunately. |
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| 19:16 | <briand> | the State of Florida uses an application called "People First" for payroll and timesheet services... and *it* will not work under IE7, so our network blocks that 'mandatory' upgrade |
| 19:17 | <xris> | yay |
| 19:20 | <briand> | I should probably just force an install of firefox on my machine at work and start writing up tons of application bugs and anomolies... those apps, too (unfortunately) are mired within IE6 folklore rather than sticking to the specifications |
| 19:22 | <xris> | blech |
| 19:25 | <briand> | well, yeah. |
| 19:26 | <briand> | mostly not the developer's fault(s)... they're just coding what they're told to code by the bone-headed program director. she's not technically-oriented *at all* but places herself in "oversight" (read: bottleneck) mode for every little detail. |
| 19:27 | <briand> | we basically have to get -her- permission to send an email to the development staff. |
| 19:27 | <briand> | occasionally, we actually do that. |
| 19:27 | <RvnPhnx> | do the stockholder's know of this menace? |
| 19:28 | <briand> | stockholders?? |
| 19:28 | <briand> | do you mean the fine people of the State of Florida? |
| 19:28 | <RvnPhnx> | that would apply |
| 19:28 | <briand> | I doubt it. |
| 19:28 | <briand> | their project is being audited this year.. |
| 19:28 | [~] | briand snickers |
| 19:28 | <briand> | no formal project management plan... |
| 19:29 | <briand> | no developer guidelines |
| 19:29 | <briand> | no bug tracking/resolution.. just all 'seat of the pants' stuff. |
| 19:29 | <RvnPhnx> | urk....... |
| 19:29 | <briand> | if there is a God, the audit will produce a new Project Director... |
| 19:29 | <RvnPhnx> | ........or a new god |
| 19:30 | <briand> | heh. |
| 19:30 | <briand> | y'know if the application in question were a search engine or a "you-tube" socialization site, who would care? |
| 19:30 | <briand> | unfortunately, it's a bit more vital than that |
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| 20:12 | <xris> | anyone here have any custom jobs configured? |
| 20:29 | <kormoc> | I do |
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| 20:30 | <xris> | kormoc: thx.. got my answer already. :) |
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| 20:48 | <xris> | anyone here have thoughts about a "transcode" option in mythweb for the jobqueue? Should I just use defaults, or give users the ability to select a transcode profile, too? |
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| 22:49 | <sigger_> | anyone tell me what .h I need to include to use getUITextType. seems it should be mythdialogs.h but that's not getting it done. |
| 22:52 | <sigger_> | sorry, its a compilation issue, so I'm asking in -users |
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