TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#mythtv:2007:03:01

---	Log	opened Thu Mar 01 00:00:42 2007
00:01	<Cardoe>	stuarta: around?
00:01	<Cardoe>	Captain_Murdoch: I have the same exact thing
00:01	<Cardoe>	Captain_Murdoch: the choppiness on a remote frontend?
00:01	<Cardoe>	Captain_Murdoch: I have mine over wireless
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00:02	<Cardoe>	Captain_Murdoch: Data just stops flowing across the wireless
00:02	<Cardoe>	I was planning on running a ethernet cable to test it.
00:03	<Cardoe>	Captain_Murdoch: but if I bookmark and restart... it works just fine.
00:03	<Captain_Murdoch>	Cardoe: yeah, remote over 100Mbit ethernet now, was 54g wireless. it's like the video only updates 4-5 times a second but the audio keeps closer to normal.
00:03	<xris>	Captain_Murdoch: oh, mine's not remote, either.
00:04	<Captain_Murdoch>	sometimes audio is choppy also, but that's usually after a commercial skip.
00:04	<Cardoe>	So my ethernet test probably won't work
00:05	<Captain_Murdoch>	I've been wondering if it was that ringbuffer tuning that Bruce did. I use nfs though and I'm not sure if his changes affected direct reading of a file. could be nfs related also, but I think I tested by removing the mount on my frontend and it still happened, but it's been a while since I tested that so I can't say for sure.
00:06	<Cardoe>	Captain_Murdoch: Here's the oddity.. the same issue happens on my Xbox Media Center machine
00:07	<Cardoe>	only if I have commercial cuts enabled
00:07	<Cardoe>	so I was thinking it was somehow the way the mpeg file was recorded
00:07	<Cardoe>	since that uses mplayer to play the files.
00:07	<Cardoe>	afaik
00:08	<Captain_Murdoch>	I don't cut, I only skip, but it coudl be sync issues after the skip/cut.
00:09	<Cardoe>	well I don't cut
00:09	<Cardoe>	I skip
00:09	<Cardoe>	on Xbox Media Center you only have the choice to "enable" them at the start of the recordings
00:09	<Cardoe>	and it'll auto-skip
00:10	<Cardoe>	Captain_Murdoch: know who maintains mytharchive any chance?
00:11	<Captain_Murdoch>	Paul Harrison
00:11	<Captain_Murdoch>	paulh I think is his svn login when he commits
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00:12	<Cardoe>	ok
00:12	<Cardoe>	cause I need him to push some stuff from trunk into fixes
00:13	<Captain_Murdoch>	I don't think he comes around here much if any, so email is the best bet.
00:13	<Cardoe>	like ffmpeg's new command line switches...
00:13	<Cardoe>	k
00:13	[~]	Captain_Murdoch needs to get to bed because he has to be back up in a few hours for a maintenance window.
00:13	<Cardoe>	I'm pretty much taking the policy in Gentoo of only packaging exactly what you guys ship in release-0-20-fixes so I don't have to worry about patches.
00:13	<Captain_Murdoch>	that's good (and stable)
00:14	<Captain_Murdoch>	be back in a few (hours that is)
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01:01	<xris>	Snow-Man or Chutt: ping
01:02	<xris>	nevermind, will pm
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03:01	<stuarta>	Cardoe: i'm here now...
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04:02	<gbee>	stuarta: I suspect he was looking for me - http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168419
04:03	<gbee>	though only because I'd backported a fix for mythfilldatabase 24 hours earlier and posted such to the gentoo bug tracker
04:04	<stuarta>	maybe, i did ask him to test something regarding his HD playback last week
04:05	<gbee>	could be it, just that he CC'd me on that ticket at 06:02:59 and then asked for you in here at 06:03:04
04:06	<stuarta>	i'm sure we'll find out soon :)
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04:08	<gbee>	either way, he doesn't really want me - Paul should handle backporting mytharchive fixes :)
04:08	<stuarta>	indeed.
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10:35	<stuarta>	ticket 3093 is free to a good home, i've no time to work on it
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10:43	<gbee>	the segfault?
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10:46	<stuarta>	yeah. shouldn't be too hard
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12:00	<MoRpHeUz>	mythtv gets the content of an analog tv card (yuv) and then transcodes to mpeg4, right ?
12:05	<GreyFoxx>	Yes, mpeg4 or rtjpeg depending on what the user chooses
12:07	<MoRpHeUz>	GreyFoxx: hhmm...maybe it should be possible, on a DVB card, to capture in mpeg2 and transcode to yuv ? (maybe to mpeg4 too)....
12:08	<GreyFoxx>	well, yuv is really just the unenacoded raw video.... so you wouldn't really "transcode" to it
12:08	<GreyFoxx>	and there is nothing stopping anyone from auto transcoding their mpeg2 recordings to mpeg4
12:09	<GreyFoxx>	myth will do that
12:09	<GreyFoxx>	though the built in stuff stores it in .nuv containers
12:09	<MoRpHeUz>	I'm thinking about the live-tv.....
12:10	<MoRpHeUz>	a way to transcode live-tv..
12:11	<GreyFoxx>	Well, you would have to write in the transcoding support fo course
12:11	<GreyFoxx>	as right now the backend takes the data from the card, writes it to disk and does nothing with it
12:12	<GreyFoxx>	It's just read back and fed voer the network to the player
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12:13	<GreyFoxx>	so when the client sets up the connection and requests the show it will need to tell us what codecs/whatever to use and we transcode it on the fly
12:14	<MoRpHeUz>	GreyFoxx: perfectly...that's what I'm thinking about...
12:14	<MoRpHeUz>	maybe if next week I can meet Captain_Murdoch we'll do some code camp regarding this stuff...
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12:23	<xris>	GreyFoxx: he's trying to set up a way to stream livetv to other devices in a transcoded format.
12:24	<xris>	MoRpHeUz: assuming realtime encodes, it really should just be a matter of getting Captain_Murdoch's "multiple files per recording" code enabled, and then adding a parallel transcode process while the show is recording.
12:25	<GreyFoxx>	Hopefully that is extendable to finished recordings as well
12:25	<MoRpHeUz>	xris: ;-)
12:25	<MoRpHeUz>	so, it's all perfectly possible of being implemented... =)
12:26	<GreyFoxx>	an I don't mean a persistant copy of it in the second format, just "gimme that mpeg2, but transcode it on the fly to xxx with xxx WxH and Y bitrate thanks)
12:26	<MoRpHeUz>	perfectly....then it would be flexible enough to any application..
12:26	<MoRpHeUz>	(frontend)
12:26	<MoRpHeUz>	that wants to use this feature..
12:29	<xris>	GreyFoxx: yeah. I want it for flv streaming to mythweb, too.
12:29	<MoRpHeUz>	=)
12:29	<MoRpHeUz>	flv streaming would be great also...
12:29	<xris>	MoRpHeUz: you need to convince nokia that the best way to get your features into the backend is to send free devices to all of the core devs. :)
12:29	<MoRpHeUz>	(watch mythtv's videos on wii ! =P )
12:29	<xris>	MoRpHeUz: yup, that, too.
12:30	<MoRpHeUz>	xris: hahaha, it would be great !!! =P
12:30	<xris>	I'll get a wii in fall when they support dvd playback, so that'll eventually happen, too
12:30	<GreyFoxx>	I want on the fly transcoding to wmv :)
12:30	<xris>	MoRpHeUz: yes, unfortunately, I know it's not going to happen. but it's nice to dream.
12:30	<MoRpHeUz>	xris: it was hard to get a device for me.. =\... I had to pay for one...(they gave a discount but still had to pay)
12:30	<MoRpHeUz>	xris: for sure! =)
12:30	<xris>	GreyFoxx: yeah. it'd benefit a lot of different devices, apps.
12:31	<MoRpHeUz>	I'm surrounded by a lot of this devices at work, but nothing for me hehe...(the discount was only valid in US...had to ask a friend to buy for me and bring to me in brazil hehe)
12:34	<xris>	MoRpHeUz: at least you get to play with them at work. :)
12:35	<MoRpHeUz>	yeah hehe
12:35	<MoRpHeUz>	hhmm
12:35	<MoRpHeUz>	have something for you guys: http://www.theinternetwalk.com
12:36	<MoRpHeUz>	at the end of the animation you can put your name and email to try to win a device =)
12:36	<MoRpHeUz>	( better than nothing hehe )
12:38	<xris>	heh
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16:25	<xris>	Chutt: alternative to incorporation, might be worth researching: http://conservancy.softwarefreedom.org/?overview
16:28	<Chutt>	i still don't really see a need for that sort of thing.
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16:36	<xris>	well, my main thought is so that the financial burden (tax stuff) of the project doesn't fall on you.
16:37	<xris>	it'd be nice to be able to let mythtv manage its own money, too.
16:37	<xris>	but other than that, no biggie.
16:39	<xris>	anyway, thought I'd mention it. they don't seem to require incorporation. just act as a bank, so to speak.
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19:21	<mattwj2005>	I just got a HDHomeRun :)
19:23	<mattwj2005>	how is everything this lovely evening?
19:23	<mattwj2005>	how is everyone doing?
19:32	<mattwj2005>	sorry wrong channel.......thanks to the hard working programmers.....I am sorry and thank you for a great program! :)
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21:51	<xris>	Snow-Man: you restarted apache, correct?
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22:34	<Snow-Man>	xris: I reloaded it..
22:34	<Snow-Man>	I can restart it if that wasn't enough.
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22:52	<xris>	needs a graceful/restart
22:52	<xris>	otherwise the currently running threads don't have the module
22:52	<xris>	graceful is the best method... lets threads die off without killing existing connections
22:54	<Snow-Man>	hrmpf.
22:54	<Snow-Man>	a'ight..
22:54	<xris>	thx. :)
22:55	<Snow-Man>	a'ight, there you go..
22:55	<xris>	hmm
22:55	<xris>	wonder why it's still barfing on the command.
22:56	<xris>	doesn't recognize AuthDigestFile or AuthUserFile
22:56	<xris>	hmm, maybe a module change requires a full restart
22:57	<Snow-Man>	blahhh.
22:57	<Snow-Man>	There you go, full, complete, blah, blah, restart.
22:57	<Snow-Man>	It work now?
22:58	<xris>	no.
22:58	<xris>	and that concerns me
22:58	<Snow-Man>	ugh.
22:58	<Snow-Man>	===# mo mods-enabled/auth_digest.load
22:58	<Snow-Man>	LoadModule auth_digest_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_auth_digest.so
22:58	<xris>	?
22:59	<Snow-Man>	heh..
22:59	<Snow-Man>	[Fri Mar 02 05:00:09 2007][Fri Mar 02 05:00:09 2007] [notice] Digest: generating secret for digest authentication ...
22:59	<Snow-Man>	[Fri Mar 02 05:00:09 2007][Fri Mar 02 05:00:09 2007] [notice] Digest: done
22:59	<Snow-Man>	[Fri Mar 02 05:00:09 2007][Fri Mar 02 05:00:09 2007] [notice] Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/4.4.4-3 configured -- resuming normal operations
22:59	<xris>	/data/www/services.mythtv.org/htdocs/channel-icon/.htaccess: Invalid command 'AuthUserFile', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
22:59	<xris>	I'm not using php
22:59	<xris>	that's from the apache logs for the services vhost
23:00	[~]	xris is confused
23:05	<xris>	Snow-Man: I'm guessing it also needs authn_file.load
23:05	<Snow-Man>	yea, was just seeing that
23:06	<Snow-Man>	Try it now..?
23:06	<xris>	bingo
23:06	<xris>	thx
23:06	<Snow-Man>	np.
23:07	<xris>	mod_authz_owner.so
23:07	<xris>	apparently still needs that
23:07	<Snow-Man>	blah, blah, blah
23:07	<xris>	authz_groupfile.load
23:08	<xris>	probably also authz_user.load
23:08	<Snow-Man>	done, done, and done, anything else before I restart again?
23:08	<xris>	no clue
23:08	<Snow-Man>	heh.
23:08	<xris>	I'm just getting these from a quick websearch of the errors
23:08	<Snow-Man>	restarted...
23:09	<xris>	seems to work now
23:09	<xris>	(everything)
23:09	<xris>	:)
23:09	<xris>	thanks
23:09	<Snow-Man>	sure
23:09	[~]	Snow-Man glares at evil lisp code.
23:09	<xris>	ewww
23:09	<Snow-Man>	yay for AI classes...
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23:16	<xris>	sounds fun. heh
23:21	<Snow-Man>	Well, I just evolved the perfect food-finding ant program.
23:21	<Snow-Man>	So, like, that's kinda coo..
23:25	<xris>	cool
23:26	<xris>	sweet, it works
23:26	<Snow-Man>	Excellent.
23:27	<xris>	now I can actually log in and look at the submissions for xmltvid, callsign, etc.
23:27	<Snow-Man>	Cool.
23:27	<xris>	feel free to add yourself to the htdigest file
23:27	<xris>	I'll eventually get it hooked up to approve/deny submissions, block IPs, etc.
23:27	<Snow-Man>	fancy.
23:29	<xris>	yeah. it'll be a major improvement over the current half-broken method of getting icons.
23:30	<Snow-Man>	You say half-broken like it's a bad thing!
23:30	<Snow-Man>	;)
23:36	<xris>	heh
23:36	<xris>	only when there are improvements that can be made. :)
23:42	<Snow-Man>	Damnit.
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