TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#mythtv:2005:03:01

---	Log	opened Tue Mar 01 00:00:16 2005
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01:19	rkulagow__	dopester: here?
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01:27	BlurredWe	interesting, I recompiled with -O instead of -O2 and it doesn't crash any more....
01:27	BlurredWe	at least I haven't seen it yet
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02:20	defaultro	hey guys, i need your help. I would like to troubleshoot as to why I am not able to see the recorded program when I am only using one output screen and that is my hdtv. What is the most verbose way of troubleshooting mythfronttend?
02:21	defaultro	so there is no connected vga cable, just DVI cable
02:21	defaultro	X however is running fine at 1080i
02:24		* Beirdo looks at the topic
02:25	Beirdo	wrong channel
02:25	defaultro	no
02:25	defaultro	i was hoping that these guys can help me :D
02:25	Beirdo	read the damn topic
02:25	Beirdo	"For mythtv related user support"
02:26	defaultro	yeah
02:26	Beirdo	anything that starts "hey guys, I need your help" is user support I would say
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03:04	tstm	Is there any documentation in how the mythtv UI is supposed to work? I'm thinking about customizing it, and it would be nice to have an overview how it is structured now..
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10:53	kvandivo	hey gecko.. you go anywhere in particular to get the "GPL" art that you used for blue (or did you make it yourself?)
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11:01	mikegrb	KIRBY MADE IT!
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13:12	GeckoFiend_	kvandivo kdel.ook.org
13:12	GeckoFiend_	err kdelook.org
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13:44	GeckoFiend_	joy oh joy yet another install guide written by someone who doesn't have a clue. At least Jarrod has his head on straight
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13:49	Beirdo	GeckoFiend_: URL?
13:50	GeckoFiend_	heh I haven't even read it, basing my opinion soley on his responses in the -users list.
13:50	GeckoFiend_	if you're gonna write an install guide, at least do enough homework to know the "best practices"
13:50	Baylink	Indeed.
13:51	Baylink	Separating out the CVS vs source vs binary, and the one distro vs another things -- and staying readable -- can be a pita.
13:51	Beirdo	GeckoFiend_: do you have a URL for the offending guide? :)
13:51	Baylink	I'm musing on CSS to hide the appropriate paragraphs in realtime.
13:52	GeckoFiend_	http://silver.cs.uvic.ca/~nav/mythtv/index.xhtml
13:53	Baylink	Oh yeah; I have 2.4G P4's laying around my house. ;-)
13:53	GeckoFiend_	heh "MythTV user manual"
13:53	Beirdo	heh
13:53	Baylink	... yes? ;-)
13:53	Beirdo	and his minimums are way overstated
13:53	Baylink	Oh, that's his title.
13:53	Baylink	Sure...
13:54	stoffel	a 2.4GHz CPU is the minimum requirement?
13:54	Baylink	Hell no
13:54	stoffel	Baylink: i know
13:54	Baylink	We're running 2x250 + playback and transcode on a Barton 2500, and I have no worries about adding 2 more tuners.
13:54	Baylink	Now, if you're dumb enough to use frame buffers...
13:55	GreyFoxx	he lists unbuntu as a software requirement :)
13:55	Beirdo	yeah
13:55	Baylink	Well, to install on Ubuntu it is...
13:56	Baylink	This document is mostly just misnamed. :-)
13:56	GreyFoxx	"How I did it" should be the title :)
13:56	kvandivo	GeckoFiend_: danke
13:56	Beirdo	yeah
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15:03	johnp_	Can anyone point me at the code which generates the programid within mythbackend ? This is from within the backend (not mythfilldb). Ta
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15:06	johnp_	doh, forget that. Just spotted what's going on.
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15:15	@Chutt	geckofiend, here at all?
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15:30	GeckoFiend_	yep
15:30	GeckoFiend_	get much snow up your way Chutt?
15:31	@Chutt	naw
15:31	@Chutt	inch or so
15:32	@Chutt	hardly enough for it to be worth it
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15:52	@Chutt	:(
15:53	@Chutt	my stock's down 6 cents
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15:55	GeckoFiend_	start a MS buyout rumor
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15:55	GeckoFiend_	or a google buyout rumor
15:56	_rkulagow_	chutt: docs sync please?
15:57	@Chutt	sure
15:57	_rkulagow_	gracias
15:58	@Chutt	done
15:59	Beirdo	or have Verizon and Qwest battling over buying your employer, with more layoffs seen as a good thing by investors..
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17:05	_rkulagow_	i must be looking in the wrong places; no one seems to have the pvr500 (other than hauppauge, who want $199 for it)
17:06	kvandivo	check your spam folder. I'm sure there are a number of firms in russia that are willing to sell it to your for $75 max
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18:07	Beirdo	you sure that isn't a new house they'll sell you? Or L1d0caine
18:11	doggkruse	How do we get stuff added to the official myth docs / howto?
18:12	kvandivo	reading section 1.9 of the docs might be helpful
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18:15	doggkruse	thanks, writing an e-mail now :)
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20:17	dopester	im here now rkulagow_
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22:46	HRearden	dopester, you there?
22:48	dopester	yes
22:49	mikegrb	nope
22:49	HRearden	I have been trying to get my pcHDTV card to tune QAM. I went out and got an actual real QAM tuner (Samsung SIRT451) to test. Using it, I can get several actual HD channels which I don't see at all via myth and the DVB drivers.
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22:51	HRearden	For instance, using the Samsung tuner and my cable, I can get channel 113. Using the azap program, I only see very low signal strength -- same result inside of myth -- I get maybe 7% signal, but the Samsung pulls it in fine -- no artifacts or nothing.
22:51	dopester	did you scan using the mythsetup app?
22:51	HRearden	Earlier today, I tried changing the line in siscan to qam_64 instead of qam_256. Saw a bunch more junk, but no channels which I now know are there. Any thoughts?
22:51	HRearden	yes.
22:52	HRearden	I also applied the patch you recommended the other night on the subchannel zero check.
22:53	dopester	well did you try to see what scan picked up?
22:53	dopester	most channels on cable will have no name, etc
22:53	HRearden	yeah. It didn't pick up the two HD channels which I know I get consistently on the Samsung. 113-1 and 113-2.
22:54	HRearden	could the dvb driver itself be giving a bad read on the signal strength?
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22:54	dopester	well you might want to see what 113s frequency is and make sure your channels.conf is right
22:54	dopester	beyond that i don't really know i didn't write hte dvb driver for the pchdtv cards...
22:54	HRearden	I am using channels-conf.qam from digitalregime.com.
22:55	dopester	well the numbers aren't right in there..
22:55	HRearden	Where can I get the right ones?
22:55	dopester	the internet or give me a sec to put a right one up there
22:55	dopester	113 might be 120 or something
22:55	dopester	i wrote that channels.conf with a for loop and apparently cable channels arent incremental
22:55	HRearden	the scan didn't pick it up in any case, though.
22:56	dopester	ok
22:56	HRearden	still, it would be good to have a correct channels.conf for QAM testing outside of myth.
22:58	dopester	http://www.digitalregime.com/patches/channels.conf-qam-correct
22:59	HRearden	thx.
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23:04	HRearden	what signal strength are you typically getting for your QAM channels?
23:08	dopester	d800 or greater. but i don't know how the pchdtv drivers report it.
23:08	dopester	thats about 31db or so
23:09	dopester	ffff is 32db so you can do the math
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23:09	HRearden	ugh. On the known channel 113-1, using your new channels.conf, I get a lock, but only a signal of 1fd0 or so.
23:09	dopester	casue thats clearly not right :)
23:10	dopester	yeah but what does 1fd0 mean.. the signal level values are arbitary so each frontend will report something different
23:10	HRearden	that's somewhat like the 7%-9% that I see in the Myth SCAN gui/
23:10	dopester	yeah its probbably still not good :)
23:11	HRearden	but it's picked up <perfectly> by the Samsung tuner. No artifacts, nothing. If I recall, it showed a decent signal strength on that tuner, but it's some bull* cell-phone-like bar icon.
23:12	HRearden	The other truly bizarre thing is that I can pull in 4 channels that are really just SDTV re-broadcasts on the pcHDTV. The Samsung QAM tuner doesn't find these at all.
23:13	HRearden	I'm really close to going back into the attic and trying to get OTA working again...
23:14	HRearden	I moved into the house recently and went up there a few weeks ago and found a GIANT antenna up there, probably 7 foot long, seemingly positioned correctly to the north which is what I need, but I can only really get one or two channels decently on it.
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23:16	Baylink	I hate to tell you this, HRearden, but this is really -users material. :-)
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23:18	tuxristo	Baylink: What about a question about setting up a "test case" for some code i have been working on? :)
23:18	Baylink	Maybe.
23:18	Baylink	:-)
23:19	Baylink	As long as it isn't torrentocracy. :-)
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23:20	tuxristo	:) Do you think i can get away with putting a remote frontend and a slave backend on the same machine, if i want to test preview generation on the remot frontend while the files are on a slave backend
23:21	Baylink	You want two BE's on the same box? Or two FE's, talking to BE's on different boxes?
23:24	tuxristo	the code i am working on, makes it so that the preview pixmaps update themselves whenever the recording changes, i want to make sure that when i go on a remote frontend and access and change a recording on a slve backend, that the remote frontend's preview pixmap gets updated, so ... i have a machine with a mainfrontend and a main backend and a database, i also have a machine with a remote frontend that i have b
23:24	tuxristo	een testing with. my question is " if i don't have a third box, then where do i stick the slave backend?"
23:25	Baylink	I can't see why you couldn't put the slave BE on the second box... but no, that's really back to being a -users question. :-) More people likely to know, off hand, there, too.
23:26	tuxristo	yos ee what i mean? if i put the remote FE and a slave BE on the same box, then will that serve as a test case or will the remote FE access the slave BE right through the filesystem( since they _are_ on the same box) bypassing the myth protocol
23:28	tuxristo	whether i can put them on the same box is a users question i agree, but how the remote FE will or should access the files ona slave BE that happens to be on a same physical box, is more of a devel question :)
23:28	HRearden	IIRC, it will first check the filesystem and not go to mythprotocol.
23:28	HRearden	That could be mythweb, though, and not the remote FE itself.
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23:28	tuxristo	hmm, my guess is that would be the "correct" behavior as well, doh
23:29	Baylink	tux: hide them from each other: put one in a non-standard directory, or something.
23:29	HRearden	on second thought, that was mythweb. Don't know about the behavior inside the FE.
23:30	tuxristo	good idea
23:30	tuxristo	thx
23:30	Baylink	Or chroot them both, if you're brave. Hint: strace
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23:36	tuxristo	Hrearden: mythweb does a very simple filesystem based check, and only works if mythweb and the backend are on the same box, I am trying to implement this in the backend itself. Making the preview update work with remote frontends, remote mythweb instlls and slave backends is the whole point of doing this, so i kind of need to have them in place for testing. So,... i'll try to hide them from eachother
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23:41	HRearden	tuxristo, aren't the settings in the settings db, though, hostname dependent? I would think that would be a problem at somepoint in the "hiding" process...
23:44	tuxristo	i need to hide them from eachother, in the filesystem, i think, i'll see what happens...
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