| --- | Log | opened Wed Feb 16 00:00:39 2005 |
| 00:02 | mikegrb | http://crackmonkey.org/~nick/mail/why-we-have-no-sexbots |
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| 00:19 | StingK | Is there any activity happening on mythmusic? |
| 00:22 | Captain_Murdo | | nothing major, more work is being put into the mfd program I believe. it's thor's work. Myth Frontend Daemon. handles sharing media between computers, talks openDaap I believe, uses zeroconf, etc.. |
| 00:24 | StingK | Sounds cool. I think I'm going to move forward with my port of xbmc music then. thanks |
| 00:26 | Chutt | why? |
| 00:27 | Chutt | i've still never seen a reasonable explanation of what's so horribly broken with the current interface. |
| 00:27 | Chutt | but everyone always bitches that it is |
| 00:28 | StingK | I can see why people are happy with it if you haven't used something that is a lot easier to use. I'm used to xbmc and love it. I just can't get used to mythmusic. I don't like have to press my RC 500 times to get to one song. |
| 00:29 | Chutt | how's that? |
| 00:29 | StingK | I have a HUGE collection of music and I can get to anything in my collection within 5 "clicks" and queue songs up while others are playing. |
| 00:29 | StingK | using xbmc that is |
| 00:29 | Chutt | and that's quite easy with myth. |
| 00:29 | StingK | xbox media center http://xboxmediacenter.com |
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| 00:30 | StingK | It's just not for me. I actually don't like the interface. I want to browse my collection in a FS style |
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| 00:30 | Chutt | how do you select music faster than (in myth) split artist -> artist -> album -> track? |
| 00:31 | Chutt | with a remote, that is. |
| 00:32 | Chutt | especially with the number keys acting as position accelerators in long lists |
| 00:32 | StingK | root -> genre -> artist -> album -> track. all in a tree view not "all artists(a,b,c,d,e,f)" |
| 00:32 | Chutt | erm, you can add genre to myth's tree easily. |
| 00:33 | Chutt | the tree can be any stored field in the database, actually |
| 00:33 | StingK | No offence man. You're not gonna convince me that mythmusic has an intuitive interface. You should really try to try xbmc to see what I'm talking about. |
| 00:34 | Chutt | but you can't even explain why the current one's bad |
| 00:34 | StingK | That and I'm limited to a little box in the middle of the screen. It just sucks in my eyes. |
| 00:34 | Chutt | what the hell are you talking about? |
| 00:34 | Chutt | haven't you ever used the playlist editor? |
| 00:34 | StingK | Dude. Am I hitting a nerve or what? |
| 00:35 | Chutt | no, i'm annoyed with people that can't explain why they think something's bad |
| 00:35 | Chutt | and who obviously haven't even tried using the thing |
| 00:35 | StingK | I'm trying. I told you what I don't like. If you can't listen... |
| 00:35 | Chutt | no, you haven't told me what you don't like |
| 00:36 | Chutt | you're saying things that aren't even true about the interface |
| 00:36 | StingK | What? About being limited to a little box in the middle of the screen? |
| 00:36 | Chutt | what little box are you talking about? |
| 00:36 | StingK | That is completely true. |
| 00:37 | Chutt | and i said 'have you ever used the playlist editor' |
| 00:37 | StingK | this: http://mythtv.sourceforge.net/mc/newmusic2.jpg |
| 00:37 | Chutt | and that's not the playlist editor. |
| 00:38 | StingK | That's not my point. |
| 00:38 | Chutt | what, that you're saying the music selection interface sucks and you haven't even used it? |
| 00:38 | StingK | I'd show you a screeny of what I want but, the xbmc site is down. |
| 00:38 | StingK | The fuck I haven't! |
| 00:38 | Chutt | that's not the selection interface |
| 00:39 | StingK | It is to me. I don't want to have to move around all over the place to play music. |
| 00:39 | Chutt | hit 3 |
| 00:39 | Chutt | on that screen |
| 00:39 | Chutt | and you'll go to the real selection interface. |
| 00:39 | StingK | I can see that. |
| 00:39 | Chutt | or 'edit playlist' from the menu. |
| 00:40 | Chutt | none of what you said applies to the playlist editor |
| 00:40 | StingK | Listen man. I'm done. You can either use my plugin when it's done or not. Mythmusic and mythvideo have shitty interfaces. later |
| 00:40 | wswanson | chutt; ever have a chance to look at the crashdump I sent to mythtv-dev last night? ;) I know you're having fun in this conversation... |
| 00:41 | Chutt | naw, i haven't |
| 00:41 | wswanson | np |
| 00:41 | Chutt | didn't see anything immediately obvious in the first one, though, aside from the lines not matching up |
| 00:42 | Chutt | i wonder if every other idiot that bitches about the music selection hasn't used the playlist editor, either. |
| 00:42 | wswanson | I am off to Tokyo for 10 days anyhow -- noticed that I was not seeing a segfault today.... but rather getting "whack" video... but this could be the shit built-in video causing some of the problem... I can replicate on a high-end laptop ... will take another go when I return using a most current cvs |
| 00:42 | cmorgan | StingK: if its an improvement it will be welcome man |
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| 00:43 | cmorgan | StingK: if you can streamline the interface then cool, let everyone see your early work to see if it helps |
| 00:43 | wswanson | heh... I agree... I don't think mythmusic is fantastic yet -- but its a good basis to build on, with a very reasonable playlist editor... of course a snapshot of what he was talking about might be nice... |
| 00:43 | wswanson | now if we could just have themes like mac os |
| 00:44 | Chutt | i won't accept any ui patch until someone actually says what's wrong with the existing ui. |
| 00:44 | Chutt | so far, no one's done that, so... |
| 00:44 | cmorgan | Chutt: or shows before/after mocked up screenshots? |
| 00:44 | Chutt | and explains why it's better :p |
| 00:44 | cmorgan | heh |
| 00:46 | Chutt | i'm just trying to understand how it's bad, but no one can say why |
| 00:46 | cmorgan | yep, all changes should be well justified |
| 00:47 | Beirdo | I'm sure someone can come up with a prettier interface, but until they do, I see nothing wrong with what we have |
| 00:47 | rkulagow_ | hrmm. getting a compile failure in transcode: |
| 00:47 | rkulagow_ | transcode.cpp: In member function `int Transcode::TranscodeFile(char*, char*, |
| 00:47 | rkulagow_ | QString, bool, bool, bool, QString)': |
| 00:47 | rkulagow_ | transcode.cpp:355: error: `GetVideoAspect' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 00:47 | rkulagow_ | transcode.cpp:355: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for |
| 00:47 | rkulagow_ | each function it appears in.) |
| 00:47 | rkulagow_ | make[2]: *** [transcode.o] Error 1 |
| 00:47 | Chutt | <shrug> |
| 00:47 | Beirdo | if they think it's hideous, maybe they should make something "better" and demonstrate why it's better |
| 00:47 | Chutt | i was going to move the playlist editor onto the main playback screen |
| 00:48 | Chutt | well, use that same widget, at least |
| 00:48 | Chutt | ah well |
| 00:48 | Captain_Murdo | | rkulagow_: my fault, missed 1 line in my commit., fixed in a minute. |
| 00:49 | rkulagow_ | ok |
| 00:49 | wswanson | what would be really nice is a blend of mythgallery with mythmusic... similar to what mac os has going for it... with transitions on frames coming from audio... maybe in a year if the right person picks it up |
| 00:49 | Chutt | the only thing that came out of the last 'mythmusic sucks' thread was that people wanted a 'clear playlist' button |
| 00:49 | Chutt | wswanson, that's what mfd is for. |
| 00:49 | Beirdo | heh |
| 00:50 | wswanson | ah -- i pulled the cvs tree for mfd but just didn't "get it"... ;) |
| 00:50 | Captain_Murdo | | rkulagow_: fixed. |
| 00:50 | Beirdo | to be honest, I don't care what mythmusic looks like. if I'm playing music, I'm not looking at the TV anyways |
| 00:50 | Chutt | i am |
| 00:50 | Chutt | well, at the visualizer at least |
| 00:50 | Beirdo | ahh |
| 00:51 | Beirdo | as long as it will play files, it's all good for me :) |
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| 00:52 | wswanson | ciao for a 10 days.... now back to packing dark suits and ties to keep the japanese friendly.... |
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| 00:53 | Chutt | i really don't understand how someone can complain about an interface, but never have used it |
| 00:53 | Chutt | that's just mind boggling |
| 00:53 | Beirdo | yeah, beats me |
| 00:53 | Beirdo | I don't think I've ever used the playlist editor, I usually just let it play random |
| 00:54 | Beirdo | but I'm not an average user for mythmusic I'd think |
| 00:54 | wswanson | i use it and think it works fine |
| 00:55 | Chutt | if there's a faster way to get to a single track or album than drilling down from a top level, i'd like to know about it |
| 00:55 | Chutt | other than a search interface, of course. |
| 00:56 | Beirdo | granted |
| 00:57 | wswanson | recurse-random and recurse-sequential would be a nice feature for mythgallery |
| 00:57 | wswanson | re: slideshow |
| 00:57 | Chutt | didn't someone add those? |
| 00:58 | wswanson | if so, not intuitive to make it work -- i don't think so |
| 00:58 | Chutt | i don't use mythgallery at all |
| 01:00 | Chutt | i mean, i guess it could be improved to have multiple levels of sorting in the tree at once |
| 01:00 | Chutt | but i never use anything but artist -> album -> track, so i've never bothered. |
| 01:00 | wswanson | I rsync backup my The Gallery (php) websites back to my mythgallery tree every night... when I'm travelling, the wife can pull up the latest photos that sync over night |
| 01:01 | Chutt | we don't take enough pictures to look at them often :p |
| 01:01 | wswanson | heh.. you're still thinknig about that StingK.... I doubt he'll come up with anything.... we'll see |
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| 01:02 | Chutt | i mean, if people complain then there's _something_ wrong with it, but if people can't even articulate what's broken, i can't do anything to fix it |
| 01:03 | Beirdo | true |
| 01:03 | Beirdo | I think they object to the looks of it, but can't really articulate why |
| 01:09 | Beirdo | grr |
| 01:09 | Beirdo | why does FC3 do things in such borked ways? |
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| 02:08 | streamtrade | I can solve my issue with text being cut off in menus but I am not sure of a generic case |
| 02:10 | streamtrade | In ThemedMenuPrivate, the text rectangle attribute seems to be based on the size of the button_on and button_off png. |
| 02:10 | streamtrade | I would think it should be based on the buttonarea rectangle in the theme |
| 02:12 | Chutt | the buttonarea is the entire area for all buttons |
| 02:12 | Chutt | the images are the actual buttons. |
| 02:12 | streamtrade | If the button_on png creates a smaller rectangle than expected, QT breaks off menu choices by looking for white space (if the menu length is too large) |
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| 02:12 | Chutt | buttons include the image (optional) and the text. |
| 02:13 | streamtrade | so to make a longer text menu fit, I need to make the button_on and button_off pngs to be wider |
| 02:13 | Chutt | yup |
| 02:13 | Chutt | think of it this way - if you had those be actual images with a background (like blue), you wouldn't want the text to go outside the button image, right? |
| 02:14 | streamtrade | ok, it was not intuitive to me that was why my text was being cut off |
| 02:14 | streamtrade | I was thinking that the buttonarea width would determine where my text rect would be |
| 02:16 | streamtrade | For translations such as German where there are lotsa letters, it seems many menus could be "chopped" |
| 02:16 | Chutt | yup |
| 02:19 | streamtrade | I am stumped for now with a solution that would address the text and the background better than what is in place |
| 02:19 | Chutt | heh |
| 02:19 | Chutt | well, it could cut things off and add a ... or whatnot |
| 02:19 | Chutt | but, that gets ugly |
| 02:22 | streamtrade | if the text rect picked the buttonarea as its boundries, one would have to make the button_on and off rect wider (if it was shorter). |
| 02:22 | streamtrade | Is it feasible to extend the button_on.png? |
| 02:22 | Chutt | it'd really depend |
| 02:22 | streamtrade | That would work for transparency and solids |
| 02:22 | Chutt | well, if it's a circle, how do you extend it? |
| 02:23 | Chutt | would you then extend everything? |
| 02:23 | streamtrade | There are some assumptions in the code regarding the buttons tho? |
| 02:23 | Chutt | not really |
| 02:25 | streamtrade | one could define a rectangle within the shape where the text would go |
| 02:27 | Chutt | that's what it does |
| 02:27 | Chutt | genericbutton -> text -> area |
| 02:27 | Chutt | area within the button png the text goes |
| 02:29 | streamtrade | would it make sense to change font size if the text did not fit? |
| 02:29 | Chutt | then you'd get things with varying font sizes |
| 02:30 | Chutt | better to just write short text =) |
| 02:30 | streamtrade | Guess so...is there short text in German? :) |
| 02:30 | Chutt | i dunno |
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| 05:21 | Chutt | hrm |
| 05:21 | Chutt | time to decide if i should stay up the rest of the night or not |
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| 05:27 | o_cee | well must be pretty late, i'm soon off to lunch so :) |
| 05:28 | Chutt | 5:30 |
| 05:28 | Chutt | just found a bug for work, been looking since 10 or so |
| 05:29 | o_cee | heh, might be to late to actually fix it if your tired, but sleeping just 2h or so just doesn't help much either.. |
| 05:29 | Chutt | oh, i don't have set hours |
| 05:29 | Chutt | unless there's a conference call i have to be on |
| 05:29 | o_cee | ah well that's nice :) |
| 05:30 | Chutt | which there aren't any tomorrow |
| 05:30 | o_cee | sleep all afternoon :) |
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| 05:30 | Chutt | well, really shouldn't do that |
| 05:30 | Chutt | hard to answer email when i'm sleeping :p |
| 05:30 | o_cee | heh |
| 05:31 | o_cee | that guy offering help with mythui haven't done anything yet? |
| 05:32 | Chutt | hah |
| 05:32 | Chutt | doubt he will |
| 05:32 | o_cee | heh yeah, too bad |
| 05:32 | Chutt | that's not the place to start contributing, as so much needs to be done by me or someone else who knows the structure of things really well |
| 05:33 | o_cee | yeah, and both you and thor busy :/ |
| 05:38 | o_cee | time for lunch.. later! |
| 05:39 | Chutt | hrmph |
| 05:39 | Chutt | creating a db connection pool's not going to be fun. |
| 05:40 | Chutt | although, it would clean up a bunch of code. |
| 05:41 | johnp_ | Chutt, you awake enough to answer a MythWizard question (more of a style question really) ? |
| 05:41 | Chutt | sure |
| 05:41 | Chutt | if i'm not, well, still sure! |
| 05:42 | johnp_ | I'm thinking that as scanwiz gets more complicated. I might like to actually add pages in and out |
| 05:42 | Chutt | ah, well |
| 05:42 | johnp_ | but I'm not sure how I would do this |
| 05:42 | Chutt | _actually_ |
| 05:42 | Chutt | the plan is to move all the settings code to something like the recording options screen |
| 05:42 | Chutt | with non-qt widgets |
| 05:43 | Chutt | since mythui can't use qt native widgets (at least with qt 3) |
| 05:43 | Chutt | and i believe that adding/removing stuff is fairly easy with that |
| 05:44 | Chutt | 'course some stuff's missing, but, not difficult to add |
| 05:45 | johnp_ | that's kind of what I was wondering about. Didn't want to do one thing and then have to re-implement when mythui came on stream |
| 05:46 | Chutt | of course, there's really no reason why more complicated settings type stuff could have its own ui bits |
| 05:47 | Chutt | where it wouldn't be any different than any other screen - the current settings code is just nice because it encapsulates all the common types of settings |
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| 06:01 | Chutt | geckofiend, 'morning |
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| 06:06 | GeckoFiend | morning |
| 06:06 | Chutt | bah |
| 06:06 | Chutt | heh |
| 06:06 | Chutt | i think your last commit just made the menus run really slowly :p |
| 06:07 | GeckoFiend | hrm it's probably that cleartobackground call. let me revert that change, I don't think it's really needed afterall |
| 06:08 | GeckoFiend | do the icons zoom now though? |
| 06:08 | Chutt | yeah, but they're kinda zooming down and to the right |
| 06:08 | Chutt | looks weird |
| 06:09 | GeckoFiend | yeah that's due to the fact that there's no way to specify an "activeoffset". I need to compensate for it in the artwork but haven't done so yet |
| 06:09 | Chutt | ah |
| 06:11 | GeckoFiend | that should speed it back up. |
| 06:12 | Chutt | cool. |
| 06:12 | johnp_ | YAQ, Is there a minimum screen size that setup has to work with ? |
| 06:13 | Chutt | 640x480 |
| 06:13 | johnp_ | thanks |
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| 06:13 | Chutt | assume 4:3 |
| 06:13 | Chutt | geckofiend, it's faster, but not as fast as before |
| 06:14 | Chutt | oh, and, hit the down arrow =) |
| 06:14 | Chutt | highlight disappears |
| 06:14 | GeckoFiend | I'm trying to decide if I want to bite the bullet and start going through all the settings to compile a list and then see what we can eliminate or play with cool stuff like mDNS for frontends to find backends next |
| 06:15 | GeckoFiend | heh I'll bet the code is making assumptions about having multiple rows still |
| 06:15 | Chutt | settings first, maybe that could happen for 0.18 =) |
| 06:15 | Chutt | gant's still pretty damn fast |
| 06:16 | Chutt | but minimalist is slow |
| 06:16 | GeckoFiend | sure. I wanted to get it out of the way before porting the settings to mythui anyway |
| 06:17 | Chutt | hrm |
| 06:17 | GeckoFiend | odd, the only thing different between drawing those two is that the rect is a little bigger due to having increased the are for the button rect to include the offsetted image |
| 06:18 | GeckoFiend | ahhh wiat might have found it. |
| 06:18 | Chutt | there's an extra erase() there |
| 06:19 | Chutt | and some more clearToBackgrounds() added :p |
| 06:19 | GeckoFiend | yeah found those while fixing the arrow key thing |
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| 06:20 | Chutt | hehe |
| 06:26 | GeckoFiend | what do you think of up/down acting as go back/select for single row menus? |
| 06:26 | Chutt | that's kinda weird. |
| 06:26 | Chutt | up would be 'back' i guess? |
| 06:27 | GeckoFiend | yeah kinda of a "go up" / "go deeper" thing. not sure if I like it myself. maybe I'll try it out tonight see if it feels natural |
| 06:28 | Chutt | now, if it kinda scrolled up and down |
| 06:28 | Chutt | then i could see it working |
| 06:28 | GeckoFiend | heh for myth ui then |
| 06:28 | Chutt | i dunno |
| 06:30 | GeckoFiend | I think it'd be nice when we get to myth ui to be able to indicate in the theme a "menu layout" where you could say horiz., vert, or even funky stuff like horizontal semi-circle instead of have to massage the images and what not to make things work the way you want them to |
| 06:30 | Chutt | sure |
| 06:31 | GeckoFiend | btw checked in a fix for the extra clear to backgrounds and the down arrow thing. gotta grab a shower and tkae the hour long drive to columbus for work. |
| 06:31 | Chutt | heh |
| 06:31 | Chutt | sounds crappy |
| 06:32 | Chutt | yup, it's all nice and fast as it used to be again |
| 06:32 | Chutt | nice work =) |
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| 07:11 | lovely2 | is it a bug that mythtv 0.17 supports overlapping programs ? |
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| 07:32 | johnnyST | A question why is the text missplaced when I use swedish? http://av8.netikka.fi/~johnny/mythtv-swedish.png |
| 07:33 | johnnyST | It was the same with 0.16 is this a bug? |
| 07:36 | stoffel | afaik it's because Mediab... is one word and cannot be spit in two lines only for the blue theme. it looks ok with other themes and happens for other languages as well |
| 07:36 | stoffel | the optiska diskar button looks ok as it's two single words |
| 07:39 | johnnyST | ok I see. |
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| 08:27 | Analyzer | hello everybody |
| 08:28 | Analyzer | can i watching tv and writing it on hdd at same time with mythtv? |
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| 08:37 | lovely2 | wrong channel russian |
| 08:37 | lovely2 | yes you can |
| 08:37 | lovely2 | you go into recorded programs |
| 08:37 | lovely2 | and just start viewing the program that is being recorded |
| 08:38 | lovely2 | but this isn't the channel for this |
| 08:38 | lovely2 | go to mythtv-users |
| 08:38 | Russian_Mafia | | ok |
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| 10:15 | | * _GeckoFiend needs to stay away from the user list when he's just quit smoking (again) |
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| 10:23 | | * rw is back (gone for 11:39.30) |
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| 10:51 | wyatt_earp | w |
| 10:52 | wyatt_earp | hello, does anyone in here use chris kennedy's drivers for a pvr-350 ? |
| 10:52 | wyatt_earp | clear |
| 10:53 | Anduin | wyatt_earp - is this leading to a -dev question? |
| 10:54 | wyatt_earp | well, more to the point of finding someone that's having the same issue |
| 10:55 | wyatt_earp | i can't seem to get the screen to fit on my tv using the pvr-350 |
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| 10:55 | wyatt_earp | and googling has come up short of results |
| 10:55 | Anduin | wyatt_earp - try over in #mythtv-users |
| 10:55 | wyatt_earp | alrighty |
| 10:55 | wyatt_earp | thanks |
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| 11:00 | Baylink | *Is* 100dpi still the intended target resolution for people's X servers? |
| 11:01 | Anduin | Baylink - It was last time someone told me to use it. |
| 11:02 | Baylink | Ok; was telling someone, just double checking |
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| 11:29 | _GeckoFiend | Baylink yes it is until MythUI is done. MythUI can compensate for that. |
| 11:30 | _GeckoFiend | in some themes it's more important than others |
| 11:31 | Beirdo | has that crept into the docs yet? |
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| 13:24 | schnogg | Where can I find more help with using a Matrox G450 eTV card as far as the video capture, tuner and Tv out? |
| 13:26 | rw | schnogg, read the topic |
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| 14:03 | Xana_ | I get this when i try to compile mythtc: libpostproc/postprocess_template.c:3252: error: can't find a register in class `GENERAL_REGS' while reloading `asm' can anybody help me ? |
| 14:04 | kvandivo | as a myth developer, what code have you changed from the default cvs installation that might have caused that? |
| 14:04 | Chutt | nonstandard cflags aren't supported. |
| 14:06 | mikegrb | kvandivo: <3 |
| 14:07 | mikegrb | kvandivo: that is classic goodness |
| 14:07 | mikegrb | kvandivo: gold stars for you |
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| 17:23 | grogan | okay.. it's been a while since I last played around with mythtv, but can anyone tell me whether or not there now exists a solid scheme by which one can control digital cable set-top boxes? |
| 17:23 | shadash | IR out is the only way |
| 17:23 | grogan | when I was at college, I had no cable box, so mythtv worked brilliantly (with 2 tuners and all) |
| 17:24 | shadash | well not only |
| 17:24 | Icemaann | shadash: im using serial |
| 17:24 | Icemaann | this isnt the channel anyway, #mythtv-users |
| 17:24 | grogan | but lirc will only give me support for one set-top box.. lirc did not support addressable emiters the last time I checked |
| 17:24 | Chutt | and firewire works for some boxes, too, but that's off topic. |
| 17:24 | grogan | ah... |
| 17:24 | grogan | oh.. I'm so sorry... |
| 17:25 | grogan | well.. from a development standpoint, I did try to control the cable boxen via usb |
| 17:26 | grogan | but at least in the case of time warner's DTV boxen in manhattan, only "boot-mode" usb HID keyboards are supported |
| 17:26 | grogan | with that, I apologize for the intrusion into the development channel and I will shut up now |
| 17:27 | shadash | don't apologize :-) but your question might be better answered in #mythtv-users |
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| 18:31 | streamtrade | GeckoFiend: did you add some sort of animation to the menus? Your comments in the channel made me think so, but I have not found anything in the code |
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| 18:59 | sugarbear | Hi, is there a bug database for myth? I'd like to find out why the GUI X/Y offsets don't work. |
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| 19:13 | rw | sugarbear, try #mythtv-users and read the topic... |
| 19:16 | sugarbear | Thanks. |
| 19:16 | rw | no problem... |
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| 19:58 | | * warlord waves |
| 19:58 | warlord | Is David Engel around? |
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| 20:05 | Baylink | mythtv.org timing out? |
| 20:05 | Baylink | Transient |
| 20:06 | Baylink | Someone remind chutt again to fix the frontpage wikilink; I'm going off to cross-load some stuff from my mythbox into my head. |
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| 20:16 | Chutt | fix it how? |
| 20:16 | Chutt | warlord, david doesn't hang out on here at all |
| 20:16 | warlord | Oh. Darn.. I'm seeing weird behavior with my attempted pvr patch. |
| 20:17 | warlord | When I "save" 0 or 1 bytes, it works fine. When I save "2" bytes it doesn't. |
| 20:18 | Chutt | heh |
| 20:18 | Chutt | funky |
| 20:18 | warlord | yea... |
| 20:18 | warlord | I dont understand. |
| 20:24 | Chutt | i don't see anything obviously wrong |
| 20:24 | warlord | I don't, either.. But one works and the other doesn't. |
| 20:24 | | * warlord is completely confused by that |
| 20:25 | Chutt | i ordered ram and a case for my epia-m + pvr-350 box, though |
| 20:26 | warlord | Neat. |
| 20:26 | Chutt | so i may be able to at least test that stuff again eventually |
| 20:26 | Chutt | but the case is backordered for a couple weeks :( |
| 20:26 | warlord | the Epia is a nice form factor. |
| 20:26 | Chutt | eh |
| 20:26 | Chutt | i like my uAtx replacement box a lot better |
| 20:27 | warlord | although not a very powerful processor |
| 20:27 | Chutt | and it worked out to be quieter than the epia-m |
| 20:27 | warlord | who makes your uAtx? |
| 20:27 | Chutt | got a biostar motherboard (nf2), an xp-m 2200+ undervolted/downclocked a bit, in an antec aria case |
| 20:28 | Chutt | w/ a gf5200 for video |
| 20:28 | warlord | dvi out to your hd? |
| 20:28 | Chutt | 80mm fan on the cpu, 120mm fan on the power supply, and that's it |
| 20:28 | Chutt | naw, just vga for now |
| 20:28 | Chutt | couldn't find a hdmi adapter locally |
| 20:29 | Chutt | i figure i'll buy a fanless 6200/6600 and just use component out, though |
| 20:30 | Chutt | so i don't need to flip inputs on the projector |
| 20:30 | GeckoFiend | you don't get those for free? |
| 20:30 | warlord | I still need to acquire an hdtv |
| 20:30 | Chutt | geckofiend, not for personal use :p |
| 20:30 | Chutt | i get a decent discount on a few vendors, though |
| 20:30 | warlord | Chutt: do you still use pvr-x50 for input devices? |
| 20:30 | Chutt | yeah, just have one pvr-250 recording right now |
| 20:31 | Chutt | keep meaning to put a couple more in my file server, but i'm too lazy |
| 20:31 | warlord | I've got one recording right now, and all four scheduled in 30 mins |
| 20:31 | warlord | 4 recording + pvr-350 output can be somewhat... special. |
| 20:31 | Chutt | i've whittled down my record schedule a bunch =) |
| 20:31 | Chutt | since i wasn't hardly ever watching things |
| 20:31 | warlord | So have I, but the darn TV networks put them all on at the same time. |
| 20:32 | Chutt | and i actually want a bunch of stuff live |
| 20:32 | Chutt | bypassing myth completely |
| 20:32 | Chutt | because i don't have any hd recording setup yet =) |
| 20:32 | warlord | You don't use myth for livetv? |
| 20:32 | warlord | Ahhh |
| 20:33 | GeckoFiend | heh My HD is in my office. need to move it out to the living room |
| 20:33 | warlord | Do you think your xp-m 2200+ will be sufficient to decode ATSC / hdtv? |
| 20:33 | Chutt | my 1800+ is, without deinterlacing |
| 20:33 | Chutt | (dev box) |
| 20:33 | warlord | Hmm... |
| 20:33 | warlord | (that's an athlon, right?) |
| 20:33 | Chutt | yup |
| 20:34 | Chutt | juuust enough cpu |
| 20:34 | warlord | Hmm.. I wonder how the xp-m+ 2200+ compares to an xp 2600+? |
| 20:34 | GeckoFiend | yeah I can do 720p here on my 1800+ dev box. |
| 20:34 | warlord | so 720p, but not 1080i? |
| 20:34 | GeckoFiend | dunno nothing I've recorded is in 1080i yet |
| 20:35 | | * warlord wants to find a 1080p hdtv.. not sure whether that's better than a 720p hdtv |
| 20:35 | Chutt | late this year |
| 20:35 | Chutt | 1080p would be _much_ better |
| 20:35 | warlord | what would a 1080p tv do with a 720p signal? |
| 20:35 | Chutt | scale it |
| 20:35 | warlord | 2:3 pullup? |
| 20:36 | Chutt | shouldn't have to |
| 20:36 | Chutt | they'd both be progressive |
| 20:36 | warlord | true. sorry, I meant 2:3 line-expansion |
| 20:36 | Chutt | but 1080p's 2.25x the resolution |
| 20:36 | Chutt | interpolated scaling :p |
| 20:36 | | * warlord clearly needs remedial math |
| 20:37 | warlord | ;) |
| 20:37 | Chutt | i'm hoping that there's a decently priced 1080p projector around when the bulb burns out in my current one |
| 20:38 | warlord | 1920x1080p projector? |
| 20:38 | warlord | I dont have room for a projector -- I can probably house a 30" HDTV in my living room (to replace my 27" ntsc crt) |
| 20:39 | Chutt | http://www.mythtv.org/basement/6-Projector/ |
| 20:39 | Chutt | it's not a terribly big room - only 12 feet wide |
| 20:40 | Baylink | Sorry. Was watching box, instead of talking about it. Redirect link to the 0.17 page. |
| 20:41 | Chutt | ah, right |
| 20:43 | Chutt | i'll do that tonight |
| 20:46 | warlord | unfortunately my tv is sort of in the corner.. I dont have a good wall to mount a projector or screen.. |
| 20:48 | warlord | (the walls are only about 8' apart) |
| 20:53 | GreyFoxx | my new HT room is 85% done |
| 20:54 | GreyFoxx | I'm investigating how I'm gonna do my screen now |
| 20:54 | GreyFoxx | Can't wait :) |
| 20:54 | GreyFoxx | I took my GF over to see a friend of mines projector, and she fell in love heh |
| 20:58 | rw | Chutt, nice basement, i just don't see the computer, wireless? |
| 20:59 | Chutt | it's in the second picture |
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| 21:00 | rw | it's dedicated to media then? |
| 21:03 | mikegrb | yes, like a proper media pc |
| 21:03 | GreyFoxx | isn't everyones dedicated ?:) |
| 21:04 | rw | cool, nice basement |
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| 21:06 | rw | http://www.marcelotoledo.org/fotos/2004/ferias_usa_e_sp/casa_do_steve/bauebs_pics_053.jpg |
| 21:06 | rw | :D |
| 21:06 | GreyFoxx | Chutt: What kind of screen did you go with for your projector ? |
| 21:07 | GreyFoxx | rw: Is that your place ? |
| 21:07 | GreyFoxx | Love the huge couch :) |
| 21:08 | rw | GreyFoxx, that's my friend's house in columbus, ohio |
| 21:08 | GreyFoxx | Ahhh nice setup |
| 21:08 | rw | it's an awesome house, the screen is huge! |
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| 21:08 | rw | check out the auxiliar tv on both side |
| 21:09 | GreyFoxx | noticed. I like the wood cabinet. Originally I was just gonna put mine flat on the wall, but maybe I'll put the screen on a cabinet . I was deciding where to put all the DVD's anyway heh |
| 21:11 | rw | GreyFoxx, this is intersting because you have space to work between it and the wall... |
| 21:11 | GreyFoxx | I have 2 doors in that room. And one I never use so I was going to convert it to the equipment rack, and I have easy rear access without having to move the gear |
| 21:13 | rw | cool |
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| 21:15 | rw | GreyFoxx, where are you from? |
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| 21:20 | Beirdo | Mars, I think :) |
| 21:21 | rw | lol |
| 21:21 | GreyFoxx | Hehe |
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| 21:21 | GreyFoxx | rw: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada |
| 21:21 | Beirdo | close enough :) |
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| 21:23 | GreyFoxx | Better than living in or near TO! |
| 21:23 | GreyFoxx | hehe |
| 21:23 | GreyFoxx | I wouldn't mind the opportunity to go to Mars if it ever came up heh |
| 21:24 | Beirdo | I hear ya. |
| 21:24 | rw | GreyFoxx, do you have tv listing for the shows there? |
| 21:24 | Beirdo | on both counts :) |
| 21:24 | GreyFoxx | rw: I'm not living in the back woods of nunavut... yes we have TV Listings :) |
| 21:24 | GreyFoxx | Or at least Zap2it has them for me :) |
| 21:25 | rw | GreyFoxx, we don't :) |
| 21:25 | GreyFoxx | Where are you ? |
| 21:25 | | * Beirdo laughs |
| 21:25 | rw | but we're already negotiating with a company. |
