| --- | Log | opened Tue Feb 15 00:00:18 2005 |
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| 00:18 | psm | hi |
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| 00:18 | psm | sorry for saying this directly in here, please let me know if its inappropriate for this channel (i think this is the right place b/c i'm pretty sure its a bug report) |
| 00:19 | psm | basically, i had audio problems with playing back stuff recorded on my pvr-250, which were fixed by using the "Extra audio buffering" setting |
| 00:20 | psm | but, if i transcode something recorded on that card to mpeg4, the problem comes back |
| 00:20 | Chutt | don't transcode |
| 00:20 | psm | i dont have the drive space to store the mpegs :( |
| 00:20 | Chutt | buy more :p |
| 00:20 | psm | and i cant get mythtv to go below the 1000 kbps |
| 00:20 | psm | any other solutions? |
| 00:21 | Chutt | not really |
| 00:21 | Chutt | transcoding's fairly broken. |
| 00:21 | psm | hmm ok :-/ |
| 00:22 | psm | ok then a related question, is there anywhere in the database or something that mythtv stores which tuner someething was recorded on? (i was thinking of having some sore of external transcoder process) |
| 00:22 | Chutt | don't think so. |
| 00:22 | psm | ok thanks |
| 00:22 | Captain_Murdo | | why do you care what tuner? |
| 00:23 | psm | because i have 1 bttv card and 1 pvr-250 |
| 00:23 | psm | the pvr-250 recorded stuff is too big |
| 00:23 | Captain_Murdo | | check the filetype using the "file" command |
| 00:23 | psm | i actually tried that and it just says something generic for all video files |
| 00:23 | fracmak | what changes were made to transcoding to mpeg4 from .16 to .17? |
| 00:24 | Chutt | psm, it doesn't. |
| 00:24 | psm | (i'm actually really starting to regret buying that card, between the $$$ and no captions and video size) |
| 00:24 | psm | mythtv@VideoBox store $ file 1047_20050121100000_20050121113000.nuv |
| 00:25 | psm | 1047_20050121100000_20050121113000.nuv: data |
| 00:25 | fracmak | cause I'm having the weirdest problem with it spitting out files where the recordedmarkup table doesn't contain all the keyframes of the file |
| 00:25 | Captain_Murdo | | 1030_20050213140000_20050213142000.nuv: MPEG system stream data |
| 00:25 | fracmak | and I'm going batty trying to track it down |
| 00:26 | psm | probably my magic file then |
| 00:26 | Chutt | it'll say data for software encoded files. |
| 00:26 | Chutt | and what captain_murdoch pasted for hardware encoded files. |
| 00:26 | psm | oh ok |
| 00:27 | psm | alright got it, sorry bout that |
| 00:27 | psm | is there any possibility of being able to select a lower bitrate for mpeg in the near future? |
| 00:27 | Chutt | unfortunately, the 'extra audio buffering' setting can't easily be made to work for mpeg4 software encoded files |
| 00:28 | Chutt | nope, that's a function of the encoder on the card. |
| 00:28 | Chutt | it really quite poor at low bitrate encoding. |
| 00:28 | psm | i;m pretty sure the card goes lower |
| 00:28 | psm | because its supposed to be able to do vcd bitrates |
| 00:28 | Chutt | it does, and it looks like shit when it does |
| 00:28 | psm | ok |
| 00:29 | fracmak | I'm starting to think I'm the only one with this problem, must have installed some weird shared library that mythtv is linking |
| 00:29 | fracmak | don't really want to rebuild my box |
| 00:29 | fracmak | any help in tracking this down would be insanely helpful |
| 00:29 | Captain_Murdo | | fracmak: not much changed in the transcoder except a few bugfixes and the fact that it's called from the jobqueue now. check the CVS webpage for exact changes. |
| 00:30 | Captain_Murdo | | recordedmarkup won't contain keyframes after the file is transcoded, they should be in the file. |
| 00:30 | Chutt | vcd bitrate's > 1000kbs, btw. |
| 00:30 | psm | i don't actually know how the "extra audio buffering" works, but i'd think that for transcoding it should be applied while "playing back" for the transcode job, and not while playing back the transcoded file |
| 00:30 | fracmak | ya, but isn't the recordedmarkup table used for seeking? |
| 00:30 | psm | because my mpeg4s from the bttv card work fine |
| 00:30 | Chutt | fracmak, not for software encodes. |
| 00:30 | Captain_Murdo | | fracmak: only for mpeg2 files, not for mpeg4 files |
| 00:30 | fracmak | really? |
| 00:30 | Captain_Murdo | | it can be used for software encodes if the file is hosed and the seektable doesn't exist in the file. |
| 00:31 | fracmak | so why is there data in teh recordedmarkup table? |
| 00:31 | fracmak | ok |
| 00:31 | fracmak | hmm |
| 00:32 | fracmak | is there any other way of rebuilding the seek table besides mythcommflag --video "filename"? |
| 00:33 | fracmak | cause that's not working |
| 00:33 | Captain_Murdo | | Chutt, I just modified the transcoder to allow resizing video when reencoding, also took off the "Auto Transcode" setting off the settings page for the Transcoding profiles. |
| 00:33 | Captain_Murdo | | fracmak: that's for mythvideo files, use --rebuild |
| 00:33 | fracmak | that doesn't work either Murdoch |
| 00:33 | fracmak | whenever I seek it jumps 7 minutes into teh file |
| 00:33 | fracmak | after that everything seeks fine |
| 00:33 | fracmak | but I can't seek back |
| 00:34 | Captain_Murdo | | "doesn't work" doesn't help. :) If the file is transcoded it's likely it's a problem with the file. |
| 00:34 | fracmak | lol |
| 00:34 | fracmak | I'm just trying to get some fresh ideas of where to look for what's causing this problem |
| 00:35 | fracmak | any chance that I could have screwed up some of the libraries mythtv links to? |
| 00:35 | Chutt | nope |
| 00:36 | fracmak | *sigh* |
| 00:36 | fracmak | strange thing is, downgrading to .16 seems to fix things |
| 00:37 | Chutt | captain_murdoch, hey, in NVP::InitForTranscode() |
| 00:37 | Chutt | could you test adding a 'decoder->setLowBuffers();' |
| 00:37 | fracmak | it's like god is taunting me, cause I love the changes to hdtv recording in .17, but .17 screws up normal encodes |
| 00:37 | Chutt | and see if that does anything to 2->4 transcodes? |
| 00:38 | Captain_Murdo | | should I put the check for "DecodeExtraAudio" around it or just set it all the time? |
| 00:38 | Chutt | just set it all the time |
| 00:39 | Chutt | ie, that might fix psm's issue :p |
| 00:39 | psm | Captain_Murdoch: that was gonna be my other question, so transcoder will resize now? |
| 00:39 | Chutt | psm, if you've compiled from source, go do that too |
| 00:39 | Chutt | see if it fixes things for you |
| 00:40 | Chutt | at the end of the function, of course. |
| 00:40 | psm | Captain_Murdoch: and why no more Auto transcode? |
| 00:40 | Captain_Murdo | | psm, not quite yet, I'm still testing resize. |
| 00:40 | Captain_Murdo | | psm, the transcoding profiles don't need autotranscode, that's for the other profiles to say they need to be auto-transcoded. you don't auto-transcode a transcode profile though. |
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| 00:41 | psm | oh |
| 00:41 | oneman | hullo! |
| 00:41 | fracmak | hi |
| 00:41 | Captain_Murdo | | it's been a bug people have asked about for a while, why the transcode profile asked if they wanted to autotranscode. |
| 00:41 | psm | and related to auto transcode, how do i get it to auto commercial detect after auto transcode? |
| 00:41 | oneman | I dont have a pcHDTV yet, can anyone hook me up wit a sample of some 1280x720 60FPS video ? |
| 00:41 | oneman | I just want to see what the experience would be like |
| 00:41 | oneman | ESPN HD is spose to be 60fps.... |
| 00:42 | fracmak | I wish I could get ESPN HD |
| 00:42 | psm | Chutt: should i get .17 or current cvs? (right now i'm running a cvs from between .16 and .17) |
| 00:43 | Chutt | current |
| 00:43 | Chutt | oneman, topic, please. |
| 00:44 | oneman | ok sry folx |
| 00:44 | psm | Chutt: would it be ok if i waited till tommorow on that and then reported back w/ results? |
| 00:45 | Captain_Murdo | | psm, you can't with current CVS, it always queues up the transcode after the commflag. I need to rewite the "if" statements to queue commflag after transcode if you autotranscode. |
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| 00:45 | psm | Captain_Murdoch: alright, cool :) |
| 00:46 | psm | a general question, where should i be posting feature requests in general (like say the auto commflag after transcode)? in here or some mailing list or something? |
| 00:47 | Chutt | feature requests without a patch implementing them are _generally_ ignored. |
| 00:47 | Captain_Murdo | | psm, don't bother with that one, it's been on my TODO for a while so I just did it. it'll be in CVS soon. if auto-transcode & auto-commflag, it will queue transcode first then commflag |
| 00:49 | psm | i also have some weird issues with video from my bttv card, where sometimes it'll stick in a frame from a couple frames back... would you guys be interested in seeing an example if i whittled it down to a couple seconds? |
| 00:49 | psm | (sorry for asking all these things, i've been using mythtv for about a month now, so a lot of questions in my hea) |
| 00:49 | psm | *head |
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| 00:50 | Captain_Murdo | | single-step through the video frame-by-frame in edit mode and see if it is really in the video. |
| 00:51 | psm | ok, will do |
| 00:52 | psm | Chutt: dont mean to second guess, just want to make sure that you really did mean setLowBuffers() (as opposed to setHighBuffers or something like that) |
| 00:52 | Chutt | decoder->setLowBuffers(); |
| 00:52 | Chutt | to the end of that NVP::InitForTranscode() function |
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| 00:52 | Chutt | in libs/libmythtv/NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp |
| 00:53 | Chutt | it will only affect _new_ transcodes. |
| 00:53 | Chutt | and may break em entirely, so, don't do it on anything important :p |
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| 00:54 | psm | oh none of my stuff is important :) |
| 00:54 | psm | plus my transcodes aren't currently usable anyways |
| 00:54 | Captain_Murdo | | psm, why do you want it to commflag after autotranscoding? |
| 00:54 | psm | so that i have commercials flagged |
| 00:54 | psm | at least it doesnt seem to keep them otherwise |
| 00:54 | Captain_Murdo | | it shoudn't erase the commercial skip marks when it autotranscodes accoridng to the code. |
| 00:54 | psm | let me check again just to make sure |
| 00:55 | psm | huh maybe youre right |
| 00:55 | psm | well you are right |
| 00:55 | psm | but i couldve sworn it wasnt |
| 00:56 | psm | heh |
| 00:56 | Captain_Murdo | | ok, thought so after thinking about it for a while. I remember talking about that with the guy who did the transcoder, that's why we scheduled the commflagging first |
| 00:56 | fracmak | ya, commflagging is useful to do first, cause often it's faster than transcoding |
| 00:57 | psm | sorry bout that, i dunno where i got the idea that it didnt work |
| 00:57 | Captain_Murdo | | if you use the cutlist, then it will wipe the commflag marks. |
| 00:57 | psm | maybe i was checking too soon after or something |
| 00:57 | Captain_Murdo | | but auto-transcoding doesn't use the cutlist. |
| 00:57 | psm | i never use cutlist |
| 00:58 | Captain_Murdo | | ok. |
| 00:58 | fracmak | attempt #532 to fix my mythtv box, wiping all traces of mythtv and reinstalling |
| 00:58 | psm | alright i'm gonna be gone for a while while i wait for it to compile |
| 00:59 | fracmak | Murdoch, is there any kind of options I could throw in to try and get some better feedback from myth as to why it's screwing up the seek table of mpeg4 files? |
| 01:00 | Captain_Murdo | | see if "mythfrontend -v all" gives you any more info. not sure. |
| 01:00 | fracmak | well, since all teh transcoding is done in teh jobqueue program, does that thing spit out any log files? |
| 01:01 | fracmak | or are there any options for me to check out what it's doing? |
| 01:01 | fracmak | like running it by hand? |
| 01:01 | Captain_Murdo | | here's a sample command line: mythtranscode -c 1030 -s 2005-02-13T14:00:00 -p autodetect -d -l |
| 01:02 | fracmak | thanks |
| 01:02 | Captain_Murdo | | I'm not sure how much debug output that will spit out. I had to manually add a bunch of test cerr's when I was trying to track down an issue with the transcoder recently. |
| 01:02 | Captain_Murdo | | it might not even honor the "-v" option, I'm not sure. |
| 01:03 | fracmak | hehe, isn't most of the transcoding done inside one of mythtv's libs? |
| 01:03 | Captain_Murdo | | programs/mythtranscode/transcode.cpp is the guts of it. it uses libmythtv yes, but the main loop is in transcode.cpp. |
| 01:03 | fracmak | ok, thanks, I'm going to poke around, see what I can find out |
| 01:11 | wswanson | curious -- why do I get a segmentation fault any time that I try to play hdtv recordings on my frontends -- even when the frontends are super-charged (ie. I have a P4 3.6 Ghz frontend I just put online that cannot play the stream) |
| 01:12 | fracmak | do you know what kind of hdtv stream you are trying to play? 720p? 180i? |
| 01:12 | fracmak | err, 1080i |
| 01:13 | wswanson | 1080i... |
| 01:13 | fracmak | what deinterlace settings do you have set in mythtv? |
| 01:13 | wswanson | it works great on my frontend (which is also supercharged... a dual 3Ghz Xeon w/ 5GB RAM) |
| 01:13 | Chutt | wswanson, get a backtrace, and i could tell you why. |
| 01:13 | wswanson | ok, will do |
| 01:13 | Chutt | why do people even bother asking questions about segfaults without getting a backtrace? |
| 01:14 | Chutt | it's just a waste of time otherwise |
| 01:14 | wswanson | :) good point -- ack |
| 01:14 | Chutt | they have to ask the question |
| 01:14 | Chutt | i have to say 'get a backtrace' |
| 01:14 | Chutt | seems really dumb. |
| 01:14 | wswanson | I know, I know... you're right |
| 01:14 | fracmak | kinda wish for a segfault with my problem, would make it easier to track down |
| 01:14 | fracmak | which is sad |
| 01:16 | psm | is there any way i can give a job priority in the queue? (i want to set up a test record as soon as this compiles done but theres still going to be commercial flag jobs queued) |
| 01:17 | wswanson | Chutt; will have that backtrace ready in a couple of minutes -- where best to send for the moment, pastebin or dev mailing list |
| 01:17 | Chutt | i don't really care |
| 01:18 | wswanson | k |
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| 01:20 | Captain_Murdo | | psm: you could change the starttime to be way in the past, it does the jobs in order of recording starttime. |
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| 01:23 | psm | Captain_Murdoch: ok that'll work |
| 01:24 | psm | now if only this compile will finish... |
| 01:24 | psm | oh, i just remembered another odd circumstance |
| 01:25 | psm | sometimes, the scheduler will schedule things suh that there is a conflict, and i'll be able to manually change which showing is recorded of just one program to get rid of the conflict... is this a scheduler bug? |
| 01:25 | psm | and both showings are on the same channel so its not a priority issue |
| 01:25 | psm | happens pretty rarely |
| 01:26 | psm | (i've encountered it 2 or 3 times) |
| 01:26 | Chutt | turn on 'reschedule higher priority' or whatever the hell it's called |
| 01:26 | psm | huh? |
| 01:27 | Captain_Murdo | | it's a setting that should fix that. |
| 01:27 | psm | where is this option? (and what does it do?) |
| 01:28 | Captain_Murdo | | in the frontend setup under recording priorities I believe. |
| 01:29 | wswanson | chutt; ok, segfault playing hdtv pasted; http://www.pastebin.com/241965 |
| 01:29 | psm | ok i see what the option does, but pretty much all my programs are at the same priority (i only tweak priority very rarely), so should it be affecting things? |
| 01:29 | Chutt | yeah |
| 01:30 | Chutt | bug in the scheduler up until a cvs commit a few days ago |
| 01:30 | wswanson | this segfault is 100% reproducable on a couple of different systems used as frontends... |
| 01:30 | wswanson | hmmm.. this is using cvs build (fresh, not update) from earlier today |
| 01:31 | psm | while am at it asking questions, is there any way to force mythfilldatabase to refresh more than just today/tommorow? (one time i got a bunch of listings in the future that didnt have episode names yet, and that throws off the scheduler) |
| 01:31 | Captain_Murdo | | that's definitely a -users question. :) |
| 01:31 | wswanson | psm: this is a mythtv-users question- - but yes, its in the ui |
| 01:31 | fracmak | what do the follow two messages mean? |
| 01:31 | fracmak | rate: 29.97 speed: 1 skip: 1 = interval 33366 |
| 01:31 | fracmak | Set video sync frame interval to 33366 |
| 01:31 | psm | wswanson: ok sorry, i didnt see it before i'll look again |
| 01:32 | Captain_Murdo | | fracmak, grep for them in the source in libmythtv |
| 01:33 | Chutt | means it's setting the video sync frame interval. |
| 01:33 | psm | wswanson: oh and the other thing is i've never actually had a question answered in mythtv-users before, most of the things i'm asking now i've asked there before |
| 01:33 | fracmak | is it normal to be that high a number? assuming I've just fast forwarded from the beginning of the file |
| 01:34 | Chutt | it's not that high. |
| 01:34 | Chutt | it _is_ in usecs. |
| 01:34 | fracmak | ok |
| 01:34 | fracmak | :-P |
| 01:35 | wswanson | Chutt; any further thought to the segfault on pastebin; this was using a cvs co (not update) from 5:30pm MST7 |
| 01:35 | Chutt | nope |
| 01:35 | Chutt | doesn't look like it's cvs at all, really |
| 01:36 | wswanson | ? |
| 01:36 | Chutt | line numbers aren't even close |
| 01:36 | wswanson | hmmm - strange... was a cvs co from earlier today -- will rm -rf and co again, build with debug, and trace again.. this will recur ... 100% sure of it |
| 01:39 | wswanson | compiling again -- btw; using distcc -- this wouldn't have anything to do with it? I'm not cc guru, though I do work with Martin Pool (who wrote distcc) |
| 01:41 | Chutt | shouldn't matter |
| 01:41 | Chutt | g'night. |
| 01:42 | wswanson | night -- will send dump coming up in a few minutes to the dev list- have good sleep |
| 01:42 | psm | i've got a problem... |
| 01:42 | psm | 2005-02-15 01:42:16.203 Upgrading to schema version 1065 |
| 01:42 | psm | 2005-02-15 01:42:16.204 DB Error (Performing database upgrade): |
| 01:42 | psm | Query was: ALTER TABLE `program` CHANGE `stereo` `stereo` TINYINT( 1 ) DEFAULT '0' NOT NULL; |
| 01:42 | psm | Error was: Driver error was [2/3]: |
| 01:42 | psm | QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query |
| 01:42 | psm | Database error was: |
| 01:42 | psm | Error writing file './mythconverg/#sql-653a_9.frm' (Errcode: 28) |
| 01:42 | psm | new version: 1065 |
| 01:42 | psm | 2005-02-15 01:42:16.205 Couldn't upgrade database to new schema |
| 01:42 | wswanson | are you using CVS? |
| 01:43 | Chutt | your mysql's broke. |
| 01:43 | Chutt | run mysqlcheck on it, there's instructions in the docs. |
| 01:43 | wswanson | yup -- looks like permissions issue |
| 01:44 | psm | it was working before... ( i didnt change anything in the mysql setup) |
| 01:45 | wswanson | Chutt; if you manage to keep your eyes open for two more minutes; the latest CVS build is complete -- running another backtrace..... ;) if you're gone, g'nite |
| 01:46 | psm | mysqlcheck also gives me a bunch of error: 28's |
| 01:47 | psm | my bad |
| 01:49 | wswanson | this one was http://www.pastebin.com/241971 |
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| 01:50 | squigly | quick question, where in the DB do scheduled programs live? |
| 01:52 | psm | red for current recordings looks ugly :( |
| 01:52 | psm | i liked green much better |
| 01:52 | Captain_Murdo | | schedule is in record table, list of all programs is in program table, there is no copy of the exact schedule to be recorded in the DB, that's in memory only on the master backend. |
| 01:52 | wswanson | Captain_Mudoch; any thoughts on that last backtrace I posted to pastebin? |
| 01:55 | Captain_Murdo | | no, never touched that area of the code before and nothing stands out. |
| 01:58 | wswanson | thanks for taking a gander; it happens on any frontend that I try to view hdtv recordings from the pchdtv... however, when I had the card on a slave backend, it worked fine to display on the primary backend as a frontend.... but now that card is moved to the primary backend, this segfaults any remote frontends |
| 01:58 | wswanson | they are all powerhouses... so I don't get it... but I'm no C guru... I leave that to you, Chutt and others. ;) |
| 02:02 | Beirdo | heh |
| 02:02 | Beirdo | I don't think there's much C in MythTV other than external libraries |
| 02:02 | psm | wswanson: a complete guess, i'm no expert by any means, or even experienced, but that looks like its happening on a mysql read |
| 02:03 | psm | so maybe try the same thing Chutt told me to do (mysqlcheck) |
| 02:04 | psm | that would also explain why it happens on all frontends |
| 02:05 | wswanson | nah, nothing to do with the mysql.. but thanks.... [I ran the 1st official mysql mirror in the west coast back in the mid 90's... i have my sql down pretty good. ; ) |
| 02:05 | psm | alright sorry |
| 02:05 | wswanson | no worries |
| 02:05 | psm | i was just going off the top of the trace |
| 02:06 | psm | oh i get it its a threading thing |
| 02:07 | psm | heh sorry |
| 02:08 | psm | ok, Chutt's fix worked for me |
| 02:09 | psm | :-D |
| 02:10 | psm | i've got just a couple more questions, but i'll ask those tommorow (i really need to get to bed) |
| 02:10 | psm | thanks for all the help everybody! |
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| 03:13 | omoore | is this a place to field whether a suggestion to developers is worth of the mailing list? |
| 03:13 | o_cee | suggestion to developers? |
| 03:13 | omoore | yes.. regarding the upgrade schema process |
| 03:15 | o_cee | if you've got a patch just send it to the list. |
| 03:15 | omoore | what i mena is i had a problem that could be avoided, and i want to make the suggestion to the developers |
| 03:15 | omoore | (i'm not a developer myself) |
| 03:16 | omoore | namely, i auto update, when i logged in, i didn't know that an updated had been done, i clicked on my mythfrontend icon, nothing happened (since it was doing a schema upgrade but i didn't know this)... |
| 03:17 | o_cee | generally suggestions without patches aren't really looked at |
| 03:17 | omoore | i clicked on the icon again, and as you'd guess, i had two upgrades to the db going. was going to suggest that the script detect another thread doing an update |
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| 03:18 | omoore | is this somehting someone with shell scripting experience can offer as a patch? or would this require c/c++ knowledge? |
| 03:18 | omoore | (i know shell scripting, i don't know c/c++, tho) |
| 03:18 | o_cee | i guess the dbschema field could be set to something special while updating, but i don't know anything about that code |
| 03:19 | omoore | o_cee, then maybe i should report it as a bug? (because it corrupts the db, i'm working around it but will prolly have to re-install myth) |
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| 03:20 | stoffel | omoore: well, with almost every upgrade you can expect db schema upgrades as well |
| 03:20 | o_cee | sure you report it as a bug or something, but as i said, best way is to start digging yourself |
| 03:21 | omoore | stoffel, yes, but if you auto-update, the end-user may not realize that a delay in clicking on an icon to launch mythfrontend is doing an upgrade |
| 03:21 | stoffel | restart the backend after each auto-update then |
| 03:21 | omoore | stoffel, i did |
| 03:22 | omoore | stoffel, but the mythfrontend client triggered the upgrade |
| 03:22 | omoore | stoffel, and if you open mythfrontend from two or more sessions when the first mythfrontend launch post-update is launched... |
| 03:23 | omoore | stoffel, you end up with database issues |
| 03:23 | o_cee | can't really see why you'd have issues since adding tables again will just trigger sql errors about existing stuff |
| 03:24 | stoffel | the frontend started the upgrade? how come? if you restart the backend autom. it will start the db upgrade and this shouldn't take more than a few seconds |
| 03:24 | omoore | stoffel, o_cee, i agree it *should* not cause problesm, but here is the sequence of events i went through... |
| 03:25 | stoffel | i'd suggest not to upgrade s/w autom. in general, but that's only my view. |
| 03:25 | omoore | stoffel, [auto-update via atp-get upgrade] [restarted mythbackend] [user (me) clicked on mythfronten icon, nothing happened (tho i now know that it was doing an upgrade]... |
| 03:25 | o_cee | right, so write up a patch, send to the list, or just send an email about it |
| 03:26 | omoore | [clicked icon again] [ran mythfrontend from shell, saw upgrade message] |
| 03:26 | Beirdo | you *have* to wait for the backend to finish the upgrade before running the frontend |
| 03:27 | stoffel | omoore: hm, you don't loose anything by sending a mail to the -dev list describing your experience and suggesting a change |
| 03:27 | omoore | stoffel, i'll do that |
| 03:27 | Chutt | it's already a known issue. |
| 03:28 | stoffel | heh, just wanted to note that most dev's are probably sleeping right now but, i'm wrong ;) |
| 03:28 | omoore | Beirdo, agreed, and at 0.17, i understand how it would be an issue, just didn't want to clutter a mailing list |
| 03:28 | omoore | Beirdo, so figured i'd ask if it was something worth mentioning |
| 03:28 | Beirdo | it'd be nice if there was some sorta lockout to prevent the multiple upgrade somehow though |
| 03:28 | omoore | if i know shell scripting, would i be able to help with this? |
| 03:29 | Chutt | no. |
| 03:29 | o_cee | stoffel, your patches are in |
| 03:29 | omoore | then i'll just write a script to launch mythfrontend that will guard against this |
| 03:29 | omoore | (for my own use) |
| 03:30 | stoffel | o_cee: thx |
| 03:33 | o_cee | Chutt, any major issues with .17 yet? been away over the weekend |
| 03:33 | Chutt | nope |
| 03:33 | o_cee | nice |
| 03:34 | stoffel | bye |
| 03:35 | o_cee | when i got home yesterday my mythbox was 100% dead.. no idea what happened. no blinking lights, but 100% cpu (full fan).. :/ haven't happened for a loong time. strange |
| 03:37 | o_cee | and nothing in the log.. ah well |
| 03:42 | Beirdo | gotta love that. |
| 03:42 | Beirdo | and it likely won't happen again for months |
| 03:43 | o_cee | nah :) |
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| 05:18 | GeckoFiend | *sigh* Hooray, but I'd still like more tweaking in the MythTV Player code. Is |
| 05:18 | GeckoFiend | it a fork of the mplayer CVS tree ? |
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| 05:57 | o_cee | Captain_Murdoch, around? |
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| 09:21 | Captain_Murdo | | o_cee, am now. |
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| 09:58 | o_cee | Captain_Murdoch, was just going to ask you about comm_detect_debug.h and also what methods are used for the logo detection, mostly edge detect? got some ideas |
| 10:01 | Captain_Murdo | | commmercial_debug.h is a file that I have which I use for debugging. It has routines in it for creating a window in X and displaying the frames as they are processed by the flagger so I can see what's going on. not much to it really. logo detection uses horiz & vert edge yes. I have a patch from a guy who had what he said was better detection for opaque logos but he's still reworking his patch after my recent changes and additi |
| 10:01 | Captain_Murdo | | method. |
| 10:02 | o_cee | k. would be nice to try the debug window thingie, trying to figure out stuff :) |
| 10:02 | o_cee | what do you think about "blurring" the image (and making it easier to detect the stationary logo) by adding together say 10 seconds of video? |
| 10:03 | o_cee | or simply (?) looking at non-moving peaks in the histogram? (more movement = remove peaks from the histogram).. then you should end up with just the logo.. |
| 10:05 | Captain_Murdo | | might work, but how to you detect it later after you've isolated it. I'm thinking that the opaque detection and transparent detection may be 2 different beasts, what you're describing probably would work better for opaque. I'd like to have code in to detect both and depending on which is found, a different method would be used. |
| 10:06 | Baylink | Morning, Cap. |
| 10:06 | o_cee | probably better for opaque yes. it could be used only for the detection, to determine the area. the last version to look at the histogram might be used all the way, dunno. the stationary peak would dissapear so |
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| 10:07 | Baylink | Morning, RK |
| 10:07 | Captain_Murdo | | hey Baylink, so that patch worked OK? |
| 10:07 | o_cee | just some ideas i had when i was on class ;) |
| 10:09 | Captain_Murdo | | o_cee, yeah, I think I looked a little at trying to detect the highs sort of like you are talking about, but stopped when it wasn't doing good enough on transparent logos. then later I decided that different code would probably work better for the 2 kinds of logos. |
| 10:10 | o_cee | ok. i'll look at some histograms later and see if it would be detectable. you're using histograms for other stuff i think? |
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| 10:12 | Baylink | Yeah, but now transcode is back to its old trick of blowing 1.6G up to 10 or 11, and when I rebooted, the backend couldn't *find* it anymore, though it was right there in /usr/local/bin where it belongs. |
| 10:12 | Baylink | Swear that box is hexed. |
| 10:14 | Captain_Murdo | | I've got the transcoder resizing video now, currently running a test reencoding a recording from my air2pc card down to 352x480 so it's playable on my slower frontend. |
| 10:15 | Baylink | Yeah. But this is something else: Gavin looked at my output with nuvinfo; it's leaking uncompressed files for some reason. Intermittently; can't characterise yet. |
| 10:17 | Captain_Murdo | | yeah, I know it's unrelated, just saying I hooked that in. :) allows me to use my air2pc card before getting a machine fast enought o playback HDTV |
| 10:18 | _rkulagow_ | captain: i'll be in the same boat, unless i move processors around. |
| 10:19 | Baylink | So, when does someone set up the first blade-rack to run Myth? |
| 10:19 | Baylink | I would *love* to sell it to news-clipping services, myself. Need a different clutlist handler, though. |
| 10:19 | Baylink | (cutlist) |
| 10:20 | Baylink | So, RK: you're not feeling toe-smashed about this whole wiki/doco thing, are you? |
| 10:20 | Baylink | Not trying to horn in on your patch. |
| 10:21 | _rkulagow_ | it's not my project, so if chutt wants a wiki then why should i care? |
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| 10:26 | Baylink | Well, you'd been maintaining the doco -- and it's got quite a bit of good stuff not duplicated in other places, so... |
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| 10:28 | _rkulagow_ | chutt: here? |
| 10:28 | _rkulagow_ | baylink: i haven't been in IRC, so this is the first i've heard of a wiki replacing the HOWTO. are you talking about a mythtv.org hosted wiki? |
| 10:29 | Captain_Murdo | | _rkulagow_: I have a projector but don't want to dedicate a fast machine to it, so I need to do something for now until I get a semi-decent machine connected somehow to the projector. |
| 10:30 | Baylink | Yikes; sorry. Yes; chutt has set up a MediaWiki 1.4 instance at wiki.mythtv.org. |
| 10:30 | Baylink | The rough plan it to suck in the mythtv.info stuff, and hopefully the FA stuff, and then set it up so we can re-extract a flat file in DocBook to transform for inclusion in releases. |
| 10:30 | Baylink | I'm jawboning the docbokk folks and the mediawiki folks as we type. |
| 10:31 | Baylink | (FAQ stuff, that is) |
| 10:31 | _rkulagow_ | sounds peachy. |
| 10:31 | Baylink | That's a happy thing to hear. Not trying to displace the people, don't want to lose the content; just trying to patch in a more comfortable toolset for the contributors. |
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| 10:32 | Baylink | And still end up with the format everyone likes for inclusion in the release. |
| 10:32 | Baylink | There's already DocBook to * translators, so... |
| 10:34 | Beirdo | and we'll give users less excuse for not reading the docs. them and their "it's hard to contribute, use the wiki" crap. |
| 10:36 | _rkulagow_ | well, i'll do one last sync of stuff that i've got local and then leave it up to you guys to do whatever. |
| 10:37 | Beirdo | it should make your life easier too, _rkulagow_ :) |
| 10:38 | _rkulagow_ | ok, i synced the sgml. |
| 10:38 | Baylink | Cool. I'm hoping to get the .info stuff ported this week; some rearrangement to mesh them will likely be necessary. |
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| 10:59 | Baylink | xris, you here? |
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| 11:03 | johnnyST | Hi have a patch for siparser.cpp can I give the link to it? |
| 11:04 | johnnyST | it is patch to fix a compilation problem in the debuing code. |
| 11:04 | johnp_ | send it to the list |
| 11:04 | Captain_Murdo | | email the -dev list preferably so the guys who maintain that code can view it. |
| 11:06 | johnnyST | johnp_, I am not subscribed to the list, can you send it there perhaps? |
| 11:06 | Beirdo | so subscribe ;) |
| 11:07 | johnnyST | oh I am on so many lists already I really would not like to be on another one ;) |
| 11:08 | johnnyST | Well I guess i have to then... |
| 11:11 | johnp_ | email me then |
| 11:12 | johnp_ | or tell me what it is |
| 11:12 | johnp_ | or paste bin it. |
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| 11:29 | johnnyST | johnp_: Well I am on the list already patch sent so no need to ;) |
| 11:30 | Captain_Murdo | | what's the change? |
| 11:32 | Captain_Murdo | | ahh, nevermind, need to read the whole email. :) |
| 11:32 | johnp_ | change of sdtout to stdout (looks like) |
| 11:32 | johnp_ | don't know how that got through. |
| 11:34 | Captain_Murdo | | committed, thanks. if I had known it was only that 2-letter change I'd have said tell me here and I'll commit it. |
| 11:50 | Torq | Baylink: Whats wrong with the .info wiki (apart from all the damn spam) |
| 12:05 | Beirdo | 1) moin sucks |
| 12:05 | Beirdo | 2) they died when slashdotted |
| 12:05 | Beirdo | 3) moin sucks |
| 12:05 | Beirdo | 4) it's not official |
| 12:05 | Beirdo | :) |
| 12:06 | Beirdo | the owners were looking to move it anyways |
| 12:07 | Baylink | Torq: Do you mean where it physically lives, what it contains, or what it's running on? |
| 12:07 | Baylink | Oh, and don't forget Moin sucks. :-) |
| 12:07 | Baylink | (Specifically, the community around it feels really insecure) |
| 12:07 | Baylink | The Damn Spam is one thing: MW has much better anti-spamming tools. |
| 12:09 | Baylink | Though, Beirdo: "it's not official" can be good. ;-) |
| 12:09 | Beirdo | that's true |
| 12:09 | Beirdo | it has some advantages |
| 12:10 | Beirdo | but it has some disadvantages too |
| 12:10 | Beirdo | the major one being the duplication of effort in documentation |
| 12:10 | Baylink | One extra downline thing I'd like to see while I'm hacking the code on MW is a toggle checkbox that says "when retrieving pages, if there's a tagged one in the page's history, show me the last tagged one." |
| 12:10 | Beirdo | and the politics that arise from it |
| 12:11 | Baylink | Well, given RK's blessing too this am, and DG's happy, we seem relatively politics-free, thank ghod. |
| 12:12 | Beirdo | yup |
| 12:12 | Beirdo | thank God for slashdotting, I guess |
| 12:12 | Baylink | How do you register a nick again? :-) |
| 12:12 | Beirdo | use /msg nickserv register password |
| 12:12 | Beirdo | and then to identify later: /msg nickserv identify password |
| 12:13 | Baylink | I gotta do it every time I sign on? |
| 12:13 | Baylink | Annoy-o-rama |
| 12:13 | Beirdo | you can make your client do it automatically, likely |
| 12:13 | Baylink | naim. Maybe not |
| 12:13 | Beirdo | heh |
| 12:14 | Beirdo | not my fault you picked the client :) |
| 12:21 | Baylink | See Fennecus' reply on #mw? |
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| 12:30 | Captain_Murdo | | Baylink, I committed that timecode offset patch to CVS in case you didn't notice. |
| 12:31 | johnp_ | where is it in tools.cid ? |
| 12:31 | johnp_ | sorry |
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| 12:43 | Chutt | yo |
| 12:44 | Chutt | rkulagow, i'm here now |
| 12:44 | _rkulagow_ | i was just trying to find out about about the wiki that will be hosted on mythtv.org |
| 12:44 | Chutt | yeah |
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| 12:45 | Chutt | i don't want to kill off the official docs or anything |
| 12:45 | Chutt | they just needed better hosting |
| 12:45 | _rkulagow_ | i've synced what i had in my tree, so i don't know what you want me to do with the HOWTO |
| 12:45 | _rkulagow_ | oh, ok |
| 12:45 | Chutt | and i figure it might be easier to pull stuff from there into the real docs if it's all in one place |
| 12:46 | Chutt | the mythtv.info wiki was apparently being hosted at a place where they do uml instances, with like 40 uml instances per real machine |
| 12:46 | Chutt | so, more than a little slow |
| 12:47 | _rkulagow_ | sounds delightful |
| 12:47 | Chutt | so you ok with that? :p |
| 12:49 | Chutt | not trying to step on your toes or anything, and like i said, really don't want the official docs to go away or change or anything |
| 12:50 | _rkulagow_ | hey, your project, so don't worry about my toes! |
| 12:50 | Chutt | bah |
| 12:50 | Chutt | your docs make it accesible :p |
| 12:50 | _rkulagow_ | will it be an open wiki? |
| 12:50 | _rkulagow_ | (ie, anyone can edit, etc) |
| 12:50 | Chutt | dunno |
| 12:51 | Chutt | i was thinking of locking it down to registered users, but baylink said they were getting a bunch of decent anon submissions |
| 12:51 | shadash | Chutt: I'm working with PowerDVD they are looking for someone to help out with the Linux version do you have an email I can forward to? shadn@visualmediatech.com |
| 12:51 | Chutt | err, what for? |
| 12:52 | shadash | pdvd for linux works but needs things like command line arguements |
| 12:52 | Chutt | unless they're going to open source it, no. |
| 12:52 | shadash | Ahh ok |
| 12:52 | shadash | just thought I'd see what you think |
| 12:52 | shadash | it's a way to get around using decess for DVD playback |
| 12:53 | Chutt | i get around decss by using a real dvd player :p |
| 12:53 | shadash | same thing but in software |
| 12:54 | Chutt | not really |
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| 12:57 | Beirdo | Chutt: I personally would suggest registered users only on the wiki, but the thing is that it's easy to rollback crappy changes |
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| 13:03 | shadash | Chutt: Also I've been working with covant. The manufacturers of the mpeg2 chip pvr 250, 250's use. To allow dvd playback we steal a couple of firmware files out of the windows driver. They are willing to consider open sourcing the firmware but need to know what it means if they do. |
| 13:04 | shadash | not dvd playbad mpeg compression |
| 13:04 | Chutt | that's funny, since they've not been willing to even provide docs on their firmware for us in the past. |
| 13:04 | shadash | I'm emailing the product manager |
| 13:05 | shadash | not Haggapage |
| 13:05 | shadash | Covant |
| 13:05 | Beirdo | Covant? |
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| 13:05 | Beirdo | Conexant makes the chips last I heard |
| 13:05 | Chutt | hauppauge, and conexant |
| 13:05 | shadash | they manufactur the chipsets + provide the firmware |
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| 13:06 | shadash | hauppauge just rebundles |
| 13:06 | Chutt | right |
| 13:06 | Chutt | and conexant hasn't been willing to give _anything_ in the way of docs/information about their chips |
| 13:06 | shadash | email me and I'll forward correspondence |
| 13:06 | Chutt | and hasn't allowed hauppauge to release info either |
| 13:07 | shadash | from what I've seen hauppauge just doesn't know |
| 13:07 | Chutt | despite repeated requests. |
| 13:07 | Chutt | no, they know |
| 13:07 | shadash | ahhh |
| 13:08 | shadash | Well either way I'd like to forward my correspondence to someone that can assist them better than I can |
| 13:10 | Chutt | tell them to ask a lawyer if they want license advice |
| 13:11 | shadash | They're willing to allow distribution if I sign an NDA. Which is how knoppmyth did it from what I hear |
| 13:12 | Chutt | redistribution doesn't really matter much |
| 13:12 | Chutt | information or access to the source does. |
| 13:12 | shadash | That they won't allow |
| 13:12 | shadash | but they will allow redistribution of firmware |
| 13:13 | Chutt | then it's pretty damn worthless, really |
| 13:13 | Anduin | shadash - mot having to guess at things like the mailbox api to the firmware are the important things |
| 13:13 | Beirdo | and an NDA means you can't tell anyone squat about the details |
| 13:14 | Beirdo | welcome to Conexant's world |
| 13:15 | shadash | Anduin: shadn@visualmediatech.com I'll forward to you if your interested. At least you can get their product managers email |
| 13:19 | Anduin | shadash - well, now days I occupy myself full time with pissing matches about the scheduler... still I'd like to see an actual real _new_ channel open up, tmk is posting more, maybe some day he'll oust CK and care again. |
| 13:21 | Chutt | hah |
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| 14:56 | mdz | Chutt: who did the new artwork? |
| 14:57 | Chutt | what new artwork? |
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| 15:05 | johnnyST | mdz: Did you work on the ubuntu debs? |
| 15:08 | beavis | they're ready |
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| 15:17 | mdz | johnnyST: all of the builds should be complete now |
| 15:17 | mdz | hoary, warty and sid |
| 15:17 | mdz | mythtv + all plugins |
| 15:18 | johnnyST | mdz I built debs today on sarge and I had two problems let me check what it was. |
| 15:19 | Beirdo | heh |
| 15:19 | Beirdo | hoary? |
| 15:20 | Beirdo | wonder how many people are spelling that whorey? |
| 15:20 | purplefrog | tons, I'm sure. |
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| 15:22 | Baylink | whorepresents.com |
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| 15:23 | beavis | mdz, in debian mythtv's still 0.17-1 |
| 15:23 | mdz | beavis: mythtv isn't in debian, and 0.17 is the newest version of mythtv |
