| --- | Log | opened Thu Feb 10 00:00:31 2005 |
| 00:02 | Chutt | no |
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| 00:02 | Chutt | one connection is the control connection |
| 00:03 | Chutt | it sends commands |
| 00:03 | Chutt | the other connection is the data connection. aside from the ANN FileTransfer, it just gets data |
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| 00:03 | Chutt | when the frontend opens the control connection, it does an ANN Playback <hostname> 0, first |
| 00:03 | Chutt | then it opens the data connection |
| 00:03 | Chutt | then it sends QUERY_FILETRANSFER on the control connection |
| 00:04 | Chutt | then it reads data from the data connection |
| 00:05 | Captain_Murdo | | that's it |
| 00:05 | Chutt | and that's all there is to it. |
| 00:05 | Captain_Murdo | | I think. |
| 00:05 | xris | ok. |
| 00:05 | Chutt | hrmph |
| 00:05 | Chutt | geckofiend still didn't respect the safe area |
| 00:05 | xris | safe area? |
| 00:05 | Captain_Murdo | | I put this backend_command("ANN Playback taz.bc2va.org 0", $host, $port); right above the ANN FileTransfer line and it downloaded a thumbnail |
| 00:05 | xris | but that explains the separation of backend_command backend_command2 |
| 00:06 | Chutt | for his new theme |
| 00:06 | Chutt | supposed to keep some stuff clear on the edges for overscan |
| 00:06 | xris | Captain_Murdoch: really? sweet |
| 00:06 | Captain_Murdo | | he probably figured hdtv wouldn't have overscan. |
| 00:06 | Chutt | all of em do |
| 00:06 | xris | Chutt: ahh |
| 00:06 | Chutt | i've got about 20 pixels left + right |
| 00:06 | Chutt | dunno about top/bottom |
| 00:07 | xris | Captain_Murdoch: I'll try to replicate that on my box as soon as I'm done touching up mythweb weather |
| 00:08 | Chutt | heh |
| 00:08 | Captain_Murdo | | probably not the best place to put it, but it worked. |
| 00:08 | Chutt | not enough cpu for goom at full res |
| 00:10 | xris | Captain_Murdoch: I'll rearrange things |
| 00:10 | xris | I *really* want to clean up the backend_command and backend_command2 stuff |
| 00:11 | Captain_Murdo | | yep, I downloaded a clean copy of your new file and added that one line and it appears to have generated a pixmap and downloaded it. |
| 00:12 | Chutt | i should grab a fanless 6600 and just have it use component outs instead of vga |
| 00:19 | xris | Captain_Murdoch: sweet |
| 00:24 | xris | Captain_Murdoch: rock on. that solves it! |
| 00:25 | xris | Chutt: thanks a ton |
| 00:26 | dopester | got a 6600 today |
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| 00:28 | xris | Chutt: any specific reason why I'd need to close that socket? seems to work if I leave it open and do two ANN_filetransfers in a row |
| 00:32 | Chutt | not _really_ |
| 00:32 | Chutt | but, probably should close it inbetween |
| 00:32 | xris | ok |
| 00:33 | Chutt | just to be safe |
| 00:34 | xris | I'll take your word for it. |
| 00:34 | xris | I haven't done much interapp communication like this |
| 00:35 | Chutt | heh |
| 00:35 | Chutt | i should apply patches, but, i don't really want to right now :( |
| 00:36 | dopester | go watch some tv then :) |
| 00:36 | Chutt | naw, books to read |
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| 00:40 | xris | Chutt: be glad they're cheap books |
| 00:40 | xris | my wife's next round of book purchases will be $100-200 apiece. |
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| 00:55 | xris | yay! such an old bug, squashed! |
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| 00:59 | Beirdo | I remember reporting that one like a little over a year ago :) |
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| 00:59 | Beirdo | good to see it finally squashed :) |
| 01:02 | xris | yeah |
| 01:02 | xris | couple of typos later, it all seems to work |
| 01:02 | xris | weather.php even looks a bit nicer |
| 01:02 | Beirdo | sweet |
| 01:03 | xris | yeah |
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| 01:49 | Chutt | blah |
| 01:49 | Chutt | mark andersen's patch is leaking shittons of ram |
| 01:49 | dopester | the aussie ac3 wizard? |
| 01:49 | Chutt | yeah |
| 01:52 | Captain_Murdo | | talk about a long set of dependencies. I'm trying to apt-get qt onto this box I'm putting the air2pc in and it is installing GTK+ because of some dependency. |
| 01:52 | dopester | is there not some kinda USE FLAGS equilivilant in debian? |
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| 01:53 | Captain_Murdo | | could just install the rpms straight and ignore deps |
| 01:53 | Captain_Murdo | | too late now, it's been running in the background. :) |
| 01:54 | xris | Captain_Murdoch: that's the downfall of rpm |
| 01:54 | xris | or deb |
| 01:54 | dopester | well i can finally WATCH hd.. got my p4 3.4 almost working now.. played the superbowl with mplayer.. |
| 01:55 | dopester | i notied that 1 glitch in the ac3 would screw up mplayer.. i wonder if that was the issue other were having. |
| 01:58 | Chutt | yay, and it crashes and dies after 4 or 5 channel changes. |
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| 02:30 | dopester | revert revert1 |
| 02:30 | dopester | er ! |
| 02:30 | Chutt | naw |
| 02:30 | Chutt | i fixed it |
| 02:31 | Chutt | it's still a dumb way of doing things |
| 02:31 | Chutt | let's reinit everything! |
| 02:31 | dopester | something is weird with ac3 though.. could be liba52... seems like once it gets a bad packet it refuses to play again |
| 02:31 | dopester | not just an mplayer thing |
| 02:31 | dopester | i bet if i use ac3 passthrough it doesn't happen |
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| 02:50 | Chutt | there, patches done. |
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| 05:39 | Geckofiend | Chutt I'll take a look at adjusting it. I have zero overscan here and assumed others were the same |
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| 06:50 | o_cee | gfiend, what do you think about this for libmythui and skinning.. a debug flag that shows all containers with or without sample text, and a half transparent background in different colors.. would make it alot easier to see the different containers. (just an idea i had) |
| 06:51 | o_cee | and maybe a built in grid for overscan in the same manner |
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| 08:37 | setre | is it possible to use a pinnacle showcenter for mythtv frontend? |
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| 09:21 | johnp | has the website fallen over ? |
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| 09:59 | dopester | yeah site looks like its gone |
| 10:00 | Torq | Did .17 come out or something? |
| 10:01 | johnnyST | Torq, I do not think so. |
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| 10:14 | Snow-Man | grrr. |
| 10:16 | Snow-Man | whoah... |
| 10:17 | _rkulagow_ | snow-man is channeling keanu |
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| 10:23 | Baylink | Why would anyone channel Keanu? |
| 10:31 | Snow-Man | Alright, I think that shit's fixed. |
| 10:31 | Snow-Man | php is fucking stupid. |
| 10:32 | Snow-Man | Everything should be back to 'normal' now. |
| 10:32 | Snow-Man | If anything isn't working, let me know. |
| 10:32 | _rkulagow_ | dopester: here? |
| 10:33 | _rkulagow_ | anyone: settings.pro doesn't specify why you'd use XvMC_VLD support versus standard XvMC. (other than saying that it's incompatible) |
| 10:36 | _rkulagow_ | anyone: is the "+" to switch audio tracks for live TV only, or does it also work for folks that have mulitple audio streams recorded (like the DVB people seem to have) |
| 11:00 | Dibblah | It does multiple streams once the latest patch-set is applied, AFAIK. |
| 11:03 | Dibblah | ... But I can't see any CVS commits, so I'm not sure. Sorry to waste your time :( |
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| 11:16 | Cardoe | _rkulagow_: VLD is for Via only |
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| 12:01 | Anduin | xvmc is back on in settings.pro |
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| 13:01 | GeckoFiend_ | _rkulagow_ it works for any file with multiple streams in it. I put the feature in for DVD rips, then applied it to Live TV |
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| 13:24 | Chutt | geckofiend, it'd just be nice to have some padding around the edges for themes =) |
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| 13:54 | GeckoFiend_ | Chutt yeah, I'll take a look at some padding though can't the gui size things be used to compensate for that? Everything fits on my widescreen and on my std def I have the gui size adjuted |
| 13:54 | Chutt | yeah, but it's a pain |
| 13:54 | Chutt | the theme _should_ just respect the safe area |
| 13:54 | Chutt | all themes should |
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| 14:17 | _rkulagow_ | chutt: xvmc is now enabled in settings.pro? |
| 14:18 | Chutt | yes, i know |
| 14:18 | _rkulagow_ | ok |
| 14:18 | Chutt | i'll disable it later |
| 14:18 | Chutt | i'm too busy to do something right now, especially since it's a 3 character change anyone else can do |
| 14:18 | _rkulagow_ | well then, allow me. |
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| 14:58 | Chutt | thanks =) |
| 15:33 | GeckoFiend_ | I ran my screenshots past some of the |
| 15:34 | GeckoFiend_ | UI folks here got some good ideas on how to improve it |
| 15:35 | Chutt | heh |
| 15:36 | Chutt | there were a few text bits that weren't lining up right in the new theme |
| 15:36 | Chutt | that i noticed last night =) |
| 15:36 | Chutt | and, could you increase the height of the blank image used for the buttons on the main menu? |
| 15:36 | Chutt | that's what's causing them to be cut off on the very bottom (g's mainly) and the alttext to be used in most places |
| 15:37 | Chutt | i fixed titivillus last week or so |
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| 15:56 | Chutt | what's the ui folks have to say, though? |
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| 16:04 | GeckoFiend_ | The biggy was to punch up the alpha on the lighter grey so the background's highlites don't bleed through as much. |
| 16:04 | GeckoFiend_ | I'll be bringing my LCD and a spare box in next week so one of them can go over all the font and shoaw colors |
| 16:06 | Chutt | cool |
| 16:06 | Chutt | i did notice that the epg looked a _lot_ brighter/more pastely than everything else |
| 16:07 | GeckoFiend_ | Chutt yeah it's a byproduct of light colors being used on top of that light gray. I'll probably make that background behind the GPE the dark grey |
| 16:07 | Chutt | cool. |
| 16:07 | Chutt | the theme looks nice, though |
| 16:08 | Chutt | everything's very sharp =) |
| 16:09 | Cardoe | Chutt: thinking today or tomorrow? |
| 16:09 | Cardoe | for release |
| 16:11 | Chutt | got one blocker-type bug |
| 16:11 | Chutt | if it's fixed tonight, then tonight |
| 16:12 | Chutt | you have anything pending? |
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| 16:13 | Chutt | you notice that i fixed the parallel make issue, btw? |
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| 16:15 | Cardoe | Chutt: anything pending I don't have patches completed for |
| 16:15 | Cardoe | so.. nope. |
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| 16:16 | Chutt | and the ffmpeg people fixed one of their more broken inline asm statements, which should help with newer versions of gcc |
| 16:17 | Cardoe | I think I actually pulled their CVS from there. |
| 16:18 | Chutt | that won't quite work with myth, since i've got a bunch of local changes/fixes |
| 16:18 | Cardoe | cause I've got 3.4.3 |
| 16:18 | Cardoe | well.. I replaced a section |
| 16:18 | Cardoe | I don't really remember what. |
| 16:18 | Chutt | i'm synced up with their cvs tree, though |
| 16:19 | Cardoe | I wish they packaged their libs seperately. |
| 16:19 | Chutt | heh |
| 16:19 | Cardoe | it'd be easier for everyone |
| 16:19 | Cardoe | so many programs out there just copy in their libav* stuff |
| 16:19 | Cardoe | right into their source tree |
| 16:19 | Chutt | that's because they insist on not supporting shared libraries |
| 16:19 | Chutt | and don't care at all about binary compatability |
| 16:20 | Beirdo | or documentation |
| 16:20 | Chutt | docs don't really matter :p |
| 16:20 | Beirdo | heh, they sure make life simpler though |
| 16:20 | Cardoe | Beirdo: eh.. documentation... minor technicality. |
| 16:21 | Cardoe | it'd be nice if they got a clue though |
| 16:21 | Cardoe | I guess I gotta finish up my Gentoo install guide tonight then. |
| 16:21 | Chutt | whether i release tonight or not really depends on bruce + david, though |
| 16:22 | Chutt | i can't reproduce their problem, but i'll wait until they say it's ok |
| 16:22 | Cardoe | well if you said you're holding off till sunday-ish |
| 16:22 | Cardoe | I would have just put off the doc. |
| 16:22 | Chutt | ah, heh |
| 16:22 | Chutt | i'm _hoping_ for tonight, still |
| 16:22 | Cardoe | should hopefully reduce the gentoo populace in #mythtv-users |
| 16:23 | Cardoe | Cause I've talked to all the wiki guys and gentoo install guides and forums instructions |
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| 16:23 | Cardoe | about consolidating and just linking to the "official" doc. |
| 16:23 | Chutt | would be nice |
| 16:23 | Chutt | but they all like doing their own things |
| 16:23 | Cardoe | since every doc out there has some stuff in correct. |
| 16:24 | Chutt | and every time i suggest having _one_ source for docs, no one likes it |
| 16:24 | Cardoe | I agree with that too |
| 16:24 | Cardoe | As far as people doing their own thing. |
| 16:24 | Beirdo | having anciliary documentation for clarification isn't the end of the world, but rewriting the docs rather than using the real one... that's lame |
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| 16:24 | Chutt | right, but anything worthwhile should be in the 'official' set |
| 16:25 | Cardoe | I'm gonna link a whole lot to the mythtv.org docs. |
| 16:25 | Beirdo | correct :) |
| 16:25 | Cardoe | but Gentoo specifics... like setting up ivtv |
| 16:25 | Cardoe | and modules and configuring the kernel |
| 16:25 | Cardoe | I'll handle that. |
| 16:25 | Cardoe | and people LOVE to recommend love-sources for Gentoo. |
| 16:25 | Cardoe | they're the same people that have more then CFLAGS="-march=i686 -O3 -pipe" |
| 16:26 | Chutt | love-sources? |
| 16:26 | Baylink | Chutt: to recap my thoughts on -dev the other day, it's not a case of they don't like having one source, it's a case of the malleability of that source. |
| 16:26 | Chutt | baylink, well, then why aren't people pushing real changes back up? |
| 16:26 | Baylink | CVS is easy for you coders... |
| 16:27 | Baylink | What format would you like those in? |
| 16:27 | Chutt | text is fine |
| 16:27 | Chutt | i think rkulagow would accept html, too |
| 16:27 | Chutt | sgml would be preferred, but... |
| 16:27 | Cardoe | Chutt: love-sources are vanilla kernel with -mm patches + other random stuff that -mm didn't include... specifically a crazy scheduler. |
| 16:27 | Baylink | Yeah, but diffs? Or are informal comments ok? |
| 16:28 | Chutt | cardoe, ah. stupid stuff =) |
| 16:28 | Chutt | baylink, diffs would be best, but i imagine anything's fine |
| 16:28 | Beirdo | they should call that riceboy-sources |
| 16:29 | Baylink | Ok. Cause even just for doco, figuring out how to create diffs that the maintainer can apply reasonable is non-trivial, if you aren't already a coder. |
| 16:29 | Cardoe | Chutt: Baylink does have a point though. People are encouraged to try CVS to test bug fixes or new features, etc... but the docs never reflect the changes needed to use CVS |
| 16:29 | Cardoe | Baylink: diff -Nur old new |
| 16:29 | Baylink | I've recently linked the fulltext site of The CVS Book on the wiki; hopefullt that will help. |
| 16:29 | Cardoe | or if you're incapable... diff old new |
| 16:29 | Chutt | cardoe, well, that's _mostly_ because there generally aren't any, and those changes are all in the cvs logs =) |
| 16:29 | Chutt | i dunno |
| 16:29 | Cardoe | Chutt: yeah |
| 16:29 | Cardoe | Baylink: so stay on top of it for the rest of the world |
| 16:30 | Cardoe | submit changes that are marked **CVS ONLY** |
| 16:30 | Chutt | maybe i should get the wiki moved to mythtv.org |
| 16:30 | Beirdo | and it would require someone to constantly be updating the docs for the changes as they come out. That's a lot of work |
| 16:30 | Baylink | I would love to. |
| 16:30 | Cardoe | and whent he new version comes out... it's trivial to strip off **CVS ONLY** |
| 16:30 | Chutt | if someone else would take care of maintainence |
| 16:30 | Beirdo | Chutt: I'm all for that, but please not moin :) mediawiki is much easier to deal with |
| 16:30 | Baylink | But I'm as busy as Beirdo. I'm hoping to con Laga into doing it; he's 17, he should have Copious Free Time. |
| 16:30 | Chutt | and rkulagow didn't mind using it |
| 16:31 | Baylink | Hey, we're at 0.16+. We've got plenty of time to sort it out before 1.0 |
| 16:31 | Beirdo | I'd be happy to help with maintenance, and I'm sure Baylink would too |
| 16:31 | | * Baylink grins |
| 16:31 | Chutt | there's no such thing as 1.0 |
| 16:31 | | * Baylink roars |
| 16:31 | Baylink | 0.99.99.99.99.99..... |
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| 16:31 | Chutt | no, the release number is just that - the number of the release :p |
| 16:31 | Chutt | 17 will be the 17th release |
| 16:31 | Beirdo | with a 0. in front of it :) |
| 16:32 | Chutt | right, but that's so i can say 'it's only 0.16' |
| 16:32 | Chutt | 'see the 0.'? |
| 16:32 | Chutt | heh |
| 16:32 | Cardoe | he's doing the gaim trick |
| 16:32 | Baylink | Hey, just call it "release 17". Less is up to release 194, I think? |
| 16:32 | Cardoe | Baylink: gaim trick.. ;) |
| 16:33 | Chutt | it's easy, and i don't have to worry about version numbers |
| 16:33 | Baylink | Indeed. |
| 16:33 | Chutt | i'm all about making stuff easy for me |
| 16:34 | Beirdo | for sure. :) |
| 16:35 | Baylink | Seems to me the real trick is extracting the stuff back out to the "master" documentation file. |
| 16:35 | Chutt | yeah |
| 16:35 | Chutt | and since no one wants to do that, maybe i should just give in and accept a wiki |
| 16:35 | Chutt | as long as i don't have to police it... |
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| 16:35 | Cardoe | wiki's are dubious |
| 16:36 | Cardoe | cause sometimes idiots think they know better |
| 16:36 | Chutt | i generally don't like em, but... |
| 16:36 | Cardoe | then everyone else. |
| 16:36 | Cardoe | Chutt: I feel the same way |
| 16:36 | Chutt | if all the people writing stuff want to use it, then maybe |
| 16:36 | Baylink | I am, actually, working on extracting from MediaWiki to DocBook; there's a project in pause somewhere, and I'm trying to locate the people. |
| 16:37 | Baylink | We could then lock and tag pages before a release, extract, and convert. |
| 16:37 | Beirdo | We'd have enough people around to police it, I'd think |
| 16:38 | Baylink | It really only takes 5 or 6 people to monitor a wiki this size, from what I can see. That's what .info is doing it with now, more or less. |
| 16:38 | Baylink | I don't like cars, either, cause you can kill people with them. :-} |
| 16:38 | Cardoe | but don't use moin! |
| 16:39 | Beirdo | and I think I can convince xris to help :) |
| 16:39 | Baylink | Media sets up in about 38 seconds. |
| 16:39 | Chutt | baylink, so, think i should move it all to mythtv.org? |
| 16:40 | Chutt | since you seem to contribute to it on .info a bunch.. |
| 16:41 | Baylink | Well, while .info could use some overall cleanup, I'm not sure you couldn't just alias it to wiki.mythtv.org, assuming we can convince David to change engines. |
| 16:41 | Baylink | There's the whole territoriality thing in open source :-) |
| 16:41 | Baylink | But DG ain't too bad about that. |
| 16:41 | Chutt | i don't like depending on other machines for stuff, though |
| 16:42 | Chutt | that's all, and now that snowman fixed the lists, the main server's generally pretty unloaded |
| 16:42 | Baylink | Well, no reason you *couldn't* host it, if it's convenient. Be nice to have o have it all on one wiki; negotiation with DG would seem indicated. |
| 16:42 | Chutt | ok |
| 16:42 | Baylink | Typing, me? :-) |
| 16:43 | Chutt | bah, typing's optional |
| 16:43 | Baylink | (Does lirc do speech rec?) |
| 16:43 | Beirdo | if so there'd be a lot of unprintable comments from me in -users |
| 16:43 | Baylink | :-) |
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| 16:44 | Beirdo | I'd be happy to move the channel FAQ one over to a more official one at mythtv.org should the time come. |
| 16:44 | Baylink | I'll chat DG up and see where he's at. |
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| 17:22 | Chutt | stoffel_, if you see this, i finally fixed the exif stuff |
| 17:24 | kvandivo | and if you don't, he didn't |
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| 17:44 | fman | hey all |
| 17:45 | fman | with mythtv 0.16 and now 0.17 I get segmentation faults when switching to the scheduler |
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| 17:45 | Beirdo | that would be tough as there is no 0.17 yet |
| 17:46 | Beirdo | and you are on the wrong channel. :) |
| 17:48 | fman | no 0.17? |
| 17:49 | fman | and this is the dev channel |
| 17:49 | Chutt | get a backtrace, then. |
| 17:49 | fman | hfrontend version: 0.17.20050130-1 www.mythtv.org |
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| 17:49 | Chutt | if you don't have one, you're in the wrong place. |
| 17:49 | fman | well, thats what I was going to ask |
| 17:49 | Chutt | what, if you should get a backtrace? |
| 17:49 | fman | how to get a backtrace ? |
| 17:49 | fman | yes |
| 17:49 | Chutt | it's in the docs. |
| 17:49 | fman | ok |
| 17:49 | Chutt | i shouldn't have to say that. |
| 17:49 | Beirdo | RTFMA. |
| 17:50 | Beirdo | (again that is) |
| 17:50 | fman | ok wil ldo |
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| 18:34 | o_cee | Chutt, going to bed now, and probably won't be home until a couple of days after that.. |
| 18:34 | Beirdo | Seeya, o_cee |
| 18:35 | o_cee | yeah, going to paint an apartement with a friend ;) |
| 18:35 | Beirdo | oh fun |
| 18:36 | Beirdo | don't get too high on paint fumes :) |
| 18:36 | o_cee | can't promise anything :) |
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| 18:45 | o_cee | how's i re-arange stuff in mythfrontends globalsettings? need to put an item below another instead of side by side... settings, tv, playback, view recordings.. "List Newest Recording First Sort Episodes:" they're a tiny bit to close |
| 18:46 | Baylink | x and y parms in the XML of the theme? |
| 18:46 | o_cee | no |
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| 18:48 | o_cee | found some of it.. hmm |
| 18:49 | o_cee | compiling it now.. |
| 18:49 | o_cee | Baylink, you see it's pretty tight as well? |
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| 18:54 | Chutt | oh yeah, i wanted to go through the settings and make sure they all fit properly |
| 18:55 | o_cee | ok then that's one for you, i just changed them to vertical instead. compiling it now. shouldn't be any problem fitting in height |
| 18:56 | Chutt | going to commit whatever? |
| 18:56 | o_cee | yeah testing it in 3 seconds |
| 18:56 | Chutt | i'll start on rearranging things once you've done that |
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| 18:58 | o_cee | looks fine. there's a setUseLabel(false); as well? looks just fine enabling it, any idea why it's off? |
| 18:59 | Chutt | gets rid of an extra line/label |
| 18:59 | Chutt | changes the spacing some |
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| 19:00 | o_cee | k, will leave it off then. but it's kinda weird to have a box without a label :) |
| 19:00 | o_cee | ah yeah mythtv.org is down, cvs seems down as well |
| 19:00 | Chutt | whole machine's unreachable. |
| 19:01 | o_cee | :/ |
| 19:02 | o_cee | need to go to bed. it's line 566 and 569 anyway. g'night! |
| 19:02 | Chutt | later =) |
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| 19:09 | xris | Chutt: releasing tonight? |
| 19:10 | Chutt | depends if david/bruce fixes that bug he mentioned last night |
| 19:10 | xris | heh |
| 19:10 | xris | ok |
| 19:10 | xris | just wanted to make sure you gave me enough time to get home and fix a "bug" that Beirdo found |
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| 19:10 | Beirdo | heh |
| 19:10 | Beirdo | It's not important enough to push off release though |
| 19:10 | Chutt | it won't be until fairly late tonight |
| 19:11 | xris | oh, and you can tell your coworkers that they did a good job on the linux driver. all of my computer problems for the past couple of days were directly related to trying to run dual-head on ati cards. |
| 19:11 | xris | Beirdo: well, would be enough to push it back 10 minutes, though. |
| 19:11 | xris | switched to nvidia and it worked perfectly. |
| 19:11 | Chutt | heh |
| 19:11 | Chutt | i've never talked to any of those guys |
| 19:11 | xris | heh |
| 19:11 | Chutt | apparently, they all hate linux now, though |
| 19:11 | Beirdo | heh. |
| 19:12 | xris | even my kvm switch behaves in windows (before, the dvi port on the windows box wouldn't activate if the linux box was plugged into the kvm) |
| 19:12 | Chutt | too many distros, stuff changing, etc |
| 19:12 | xris | go figure |
| 19:12 | Beirdo | doing driver devel in Linux does give headaches too |
| 19:12 | Chutt | box is back up |
| 19:12 | Chutt | btw |
| 19:13 | xris | nice. no sound on the new box. |
| 19:13 | Baylink | Did a transcode audio sync bug get fixed in the last couple weeks? |
| 19:14 | xris | aha |
| 19:14 | xris | "headphone" volume. |
| 19:14 | Chutt | i don't think so |
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| 19:15 | Baylink | Bummer. Cause I'm told I have to fix one, before our 500GB machine eats its last 10GB |
| 19:15 | | * Baylink prays for a release tonight. |
| 19:15 | | * Baylink doesn't think you wanted to know to whom. |
| 19:16 | Chutt | heh |
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| 19:36 | Chutt | really need to switch all the settings over to geckofiend's new settings ui code |
| 19:36 | Chutt | then i wouldn't have issues fitting crap in |
| 19:37 | Cardoe | after 0.17! |
| 19:37 | Chutt | yup |
| 19:37 | Chutt | during the mythui rewrite, anyway |
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| 19:50 | Chutt | fucking hell |
| 19:50 | Beirdo | oh oh |
| 19:50 | Chutt | python's going crazy |
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| 19:50 | Chutt | ie, mailman |
| 19:50 | Beirdo | ah crap |
| 19:55 | Cardoe | the two of you have issues |
| 19:55 | Chutt | the bounce processor was using almost 800MB of ram |
| 19:55 | Beirdo | holy crap, that's not good at all |
| 19:55 | Chutt | eh, it's fixed now |
| 19:56 | Chutt | not exactly sure _why_ it was using so much ram |
| 19:57 | dopester | Mark Anderson patch :) |
| 19:57 | Chutt | naw, i fixed that too |
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| 19:58 | dopester | blue looks bad in ws.. it looks like a buncha eggs instead of the neat circles.. heh |
| 19:58 | Chutt | use the new theme |
| 19:59 | dopester | i saw that one.. looks good |
| 19:59 | dopester | your talking about minimalist? |
| 20:00 | GeckoFiend | I toyed with the idea of using the orbs like blue in it. Still migth try it out to see how it looks |
| 20:00 | Chutt | geckofiend, hey, i was thinking |
| 20:00 | Chutt | for the minimalist theme |
| 20:00 | GeckoFiend | that's dangerous |
| 20:00 | Chutt | why don't we line up buttons left->right? |
| 20:00 | Chutt | just a single row |
| 20:01 | Chutt | got tons of space |
| 20:01 | GeckoFiend | yeah that'd work |
| 20:01 | Chutt | kinda like the button bar in osx or whatnot |
| 20:01 | GeckoFiend | heh I was just about to say "not like there's not lots of space" |
| 20:01 | Chutt | have the watermark be right above the text or whatnot |
| 20:01 | Chutt | well, it'd be a button icon then, not a watermark |
| 20:02 | Chutt | could even make it grow when selected |
| 20:02 | GeckoFiend | I like it! |
| 20:02 | GeckoFiend | I started a download of some nice looking greyscale icons from kdelook but the DL was corrupted :( |
| 20:02 | Chutt | and when we switch to mythui, can make it all smooth moving and stuff |
| 20:03 | Chutt | ooooh |
| 20:03 | GeckoFiend | it'd be nice if we could use SVGs and then smoothly zoom them |
| 20:03 | Chutt | that'll be cool. |
| 20:03 | Chutt | ah, i dunno |
| 20:03 | dopester | yeah i will have to make a dish moving animation then for my dish :) |
| 20:04 | GeckoFiend | I might just use color icons and greyscale them in photoshop |
| 20:04 | dopester | could also do some funny stuff for signal loss.. make gremlins start eating an antenna or something.. hehe |
| 20:05 | Chutt | make em greyscale when not selected, colorized when selected.. |
| 20:09 | Beirdo | hopefully the smooth moving stuff doesn't eat too much CPU on non-OpenGL setups :) |
| 20:09 | Chutt | it's disabled there. |
| 20:10 | Beirdo | whew :) |
| 20:10 | Beirdo | one of these days I'll get OpenGL working right on the ATI card |
| 20:10 | Beirdo | or just put in an nVidia with component out |
| 20:10 | Beirdo | :) |
| 20:15 | Beirdo | eye candy is cool :) |
| 20:15 | Chutt | eh |
| 20:16 | Chutt | as long as it doesn't negatively impact the useability |
| 20:16 | GeckoFiend | hrm Looks like the best I'll be able to manage is two rows. |
| 20:16 | Chutt | really? |
| 20:16 | Beirdo | true true... |
| 20:16 | Beirdo | breaking functionality for eye candy would be... Microsoft-ish |
| 20:17 | GeckoFiend | unless I use a really small font and blank image. |
| 20:17 | GeckoFiend | I tried using a 200px blank background, forced it into alt-text mode |
| 20:18 | GeckoFiend | and that's even with dropping the font 3 points |
| 20:18 | Chutt | you should be able to fit at least 6 items across, i'd think |
| 20:18 | Chutt | make it tall enough for two lines of text, and it should wrap like blue does |
| 20:19 | GeckoFiend | ahhh let me try that |
| 20:24 | GeckoFiend | what's the deal with the <area> tag for the text? |
| 20:24 | Chutt | area within the button pixmap |
| 20:25 | Chutt | lets you do the circles like blue does |
| 20:25 | Chutt | basically |
| 20:25 | GeckoFiend | I tried using 0,0 thinking that would be top left, ended up with the text starting off the blank image |
| 20:26 | Chutt | i don't remember how it works, exactly =) |
| 20:29 | GeckoFiend | hrm my image is 206x200, and I gave it a button area of 0,115,1280,600 and it refuses to got 6 across. must be some padding or something |
| 20:30 | Chutt | dunno |
| 20:30 | Chutt | i believe there's a tag to disable all the padding |
| 20:30 | GeckoFiend | I'll take a look |
| 20:33 | Chutt | ah |
| 20:33 | Chutt | there's no way to disable x spacing |
| 20:33 | Chutt | you can disable y spacing, though |
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| 20:33 | Chutt | didn't need to have a x-spacing disable before =) |
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| 20:36 | Chutt | so, maybe say 3% on all edges, btw? |
| 20:38 | GeckoFiend | heh // keep the rows balanced |
| 20:38 | GeckoFiend | if (numbuttons <= 4) |
| 20:38 | GeckoFiend | { |
| 20:38 | GeckoFiend | if (columns > 2) |
| 20:38 | GeckoFiend | columns = 2; |
| 20:38 | GeckoFiend | } |
| 20:38 | GeckoFiend | else |
| 20:38 | GeckoFiend | { |
| 20:38 | GeckoFiend | if (columns > 3) |
| 20:38 | GeckoFiend | columns = 3; |
| 20:38 | GeckoFiend | } |
| 20:38 | GeckoFiend | that's why it never goes to 6 columns |
| 20:38 | Chutt | heh |
| 20:38 | Chutt | it's for blue |
| 20:39 | Chutt | add in a test for rows == 1, and it should be fine |
| 20:39 | Chutt | http://www.mightydave.com/ |
| 20:39 | Chutt | check out his ui mockups |
| 20:40 | Chutt | http://www.mightydave.com/index.php?p=17 |
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| 20:41 | Chutt | http://mrzippy.org.uk/macmediacenter/forum/viewthread.php?tid=77&page=1 |
| 20:41 | Chutt | there's a bunch of ui mockups in that thread |
| 20:41 | Chutt | some new mac mediacenter project |
| 20:41 | Chutt | see, why can't linux people be artisty :( |
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| 20:42 | GeckoFiend | I like that first one a lot |
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| 20:43 | GeckoFiend | We *need* people with talent instead of programmers with a copy of photshop |
| 20:43 | darkfrog | Anyone here familiar with the workings of lirc? |
| 20:43 | darkfrog | GeckoFiend, I've got photoshop. :-p |
| 20:43 | darkfrog | hehe |
| 20:44 | GeckoFiend | darkfrog so do I unfortunatly |
| 20:45 | GeckoFiend | I want to use GIMP I really do but I've been spoiled |
| 20:45 | darkfrog | GeckoFiend, I'm in the same boat...I own Photoshop and Illustrator at home, but at work I have to use GIMP (I know...seems like it should be the other way around) |
| 20:46 | darkfrog | GeckoFiend, don't suppose you know much about LIRC? |
| 20:46 | GeckoFiend | darkfrog that's not really a topic for this channel see:/topic |
| 20:46 | darkfrog | that's MythTV related development... |
| 20:47 | GeckoFiend | oh? how so? planning on improving the lirc interface? |
| 20:47 | darkfrog | Yes, actually writing a real one in Java |
| 20:48 | darkfrog | The one they release for Java is nothing more than an interface into the system specific one...defeats the purpose of having it in Java. |
| 20:48 | darkfrog | I'm trying to avoid looking at C code though. :o |
| 20:50 | GeckoFiend | not to be an ass but, how is a new vesion of lirc written in java mythtv releated? mythtv isn't in java and the existing lirc works just fine... |
| 20:51 | darkfrog | ...come on...where else can I go to get any specifics on LIRC from a person? |
| 20:53 | GeckoFiend | an lirc channel? the lirc mailing list? |
| 20:54 | GeckoFiend | chutt: any reason for the "must have room for at least 2 rows" thing? if not I'm gonna change it to one. |
| 20:55 | GeckoFiend | I'm really thinking we need a horizontal tag for mythui to allow horizontal scrolling |
| 20:59 | Chutt | probably |
| 20:59 | Chutt | i don't remember the reason |
| 20:59 | Chutt | probably was for blue |
| 21:00 | GeckoFiend | The more I get into this the more problems I uncover. |
| 21:01 | GeckoFiend | buttons aren't drawing right when you change menus. |
| 21:01 | GeckoFiend | might be the text blank image drawing over the text not sure |
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| 21:22 | GeckoFiend | chutt: here's a rough idea of what it might look like: http://www.jdonavan.net/myth/wide_mode/mockup.jpg |
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| 21:28 | GeckoFiend | I had been thinking of using these as the watermarks and what not http://kdelook.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=12132&file1=12132-1.png&file2=12132-2.png&file3=12132-3.png&name=Flat kinda fits with the name |
| 21:31 | Chutt | if you stick a centered attribute in there, it'll look a tiny bit nicer =) |
| 21:31 | Chutt | and maybe lose the outline.. |
| 21:31 | Chutt | i dunno |
| 21:32 | Chutt | and those icons look nice |
| 21:33 | GeckoFiend | downloading the svg versions of those icons now, I'll have to convert them but the png versions archive is corrupt. |
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| 21:42 | defaultro | hey guys, good evening. I don't know if this is a mythtv bug or a dvb driver bug |
| 21:42 | defaultro | I'm encountering too many issues when changing channels. My system is comprise of air2pc, 512mb, athlon 64 3000+ and a plain vga card. |
| 21:43 | defaultro | One of the errors I'm getting is Transport Stream Continuity Errors |
| 21:43 | Chutt | that's a dvb issue |
| 21:43 | defaultro | ok |
| 21:43 | Chutt | most likely, anyway |
| 21:43 | defaultro | cool |
| 21:43 | defaultro | I will post it then to linuxdvb |
| 21:44 | defaultro | anyways, are you also using a dvb driver? |
| 21:45 | defaultro | Thanks Chutt. I hope the person who helped me in mythtv-user channel will be there someday again. :) |
| 21:45 | defaultro | Aight, later. |
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