TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#mythtv:2005:02:02

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00:00	Baylink	It's a rain bonnet, but it's also your parents.
00:00	Baylink	G'night folks
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02:20	Mecworks	Gees, I jsut tried a DVD in my computer, outputting to my projector and the color sucks (was using PowerDVD on WinXP). An actual DVD player is Soooooooo much better. Of course, I was using RGB, not componant but the resolution was 1280x720. I wonder how the HD-3000 tuner card will look...
02:22		* Beirdo points at the topic
02:22	Mecworks	thx
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02:23	Chutt	#mythtv-users isn't even the place for that
02:23	Beirdo	true.
02:23	Beirdo	My point was that's massively off topic :)
02:23		* stoffel_ giggles
02:23	Beirdo	Chutt: how are things going? :)
02:24	Beirdo	you guys have been keeping an impressive number of commits flowing.
02:24	Chutt	all good
02:25	Beirdo	I decided it was time for a clean checkout, maybe my odd occasional backend issues will fix themselves
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02:45	Chutt	hrm
02:45	Chutt	repeatable crash in music.
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05:24	gfiend	rkulagow_ I'm capturing at full resolution
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07:29	Riff-Raff	argh, this avformat is killing me
07:31	Riff-Raff	I'm trying to use it to read something else that mpeg video/audio (dvb subtitles) from TS
07:32	Riff-Raff	so far I've managed to hack it enough to give me packets but it only gives the TS packets and I'd like it to give PES
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09:30	dopester	chutt: do you have any problem with me removing channels 70-83 from frequencies.c? they were removed for analog cell phones ages ago in the states..
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10:23	johnnyST	I noticed that X takes 100% CPU as soon as I "Listen to music" it is so slow the graphics so it is impossible to use, this is yesterdays CVS version.
10:27	johnnyST	It is problematic to exit the playing of music as well.
10:29	johnnyST	This is on an Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz with an Intel 82865G Integrated Graphics card.
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11:02	jams_	oh ok, thats his direct number? no ext or anything?
11:03	jams_	i was hoping that would be cyberlink
11:03	stoffel_	johnnyST: known bug i believe. chutt's looking at it
11:04	shadash	cyberlink is a pain to deal with
11:04	johnnyST	stoffel_, I think that bug can be quite bad I hope it gets fixed..
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11:13	o_cee	if you're running cvs you should really keep up with the commits list...
11:14	stoffel_	o_cee: hey, you're ok? what's that torill...itis you've got? nothing serious i guess, otherwise you wouldn't be here ;)
11:17	GeckoFiend_	That's Sweidsh for crabs
11:17	GeckoFiend_	Swedish even
11:20	laga	you mean cancer?
11:20	Beirdo	Remove the & from the external channel change line. Let's see if people notice...
11:20	Beirdo	muhahaha
11:20	laga	hehe
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11:23	stoffel_	o_cee: did you notice some strings in mythweather are still shown in english? the Loading... for example
11:26	GeckoFiend_	Beirdo yeah I left that one out of the patch notes
11:26	GeckoFiend_	err release notes
11:26	Beirdo	:)
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11:32	o_cee	stoffel_, tonnsilitus or something like that.. the throat. better today, actually on my way to class now. haven't tried mythweather, remind me later tonight (leave a pm or somehitng)
11:33	o_cee	(only hurts when i swallow, talk and breathe)
11:33	stoffel_	o_cee: ok, and don't forget my patches ;)
11:33	stoffel_	ugh
11:33	o_cee	nah got em tagged
11:33	o_cee	later
11:33	stoffel_	yeah
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11:41	stoffel_	ok, it's all GeckoFiend_'s fault ;)
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12:04	Verty	anyone home ? :)
12:05		* laga not
12:05	Verty	yeah right :)
12:08	Verty	anyway I gotta question, just checked out mythtv from cvs but I'm missing a autogen.sh or a decent configure file... any suggestions ?
12:08	GreyFoxx	There isn't one
12:08	stoffel_	read the docs
12:09	GreyFoxx	http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.5
12:11	laga	and you probably want to read the topic ;)
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12:11	Verty	laga: true true :)
12:11	laga	hehe
12:12	Verty	still the docs don't tell me how to compile cvs...
12:13	laga	it's compiled like a release.
12:13	Verty	well then cvs is broken... since configure doesn't generate any Makefiles
12:13	Chutt	you're not reading the docs.
12:14	GreyFoxx	Verty I just gave the the EXACT link that instructs on how to compile it
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12:14	laga	hint: there's a difference between qmake and make ;)
12:14	Verty	GreyFoxx: I read the docs already... and ./configure; make doesn't work... since some one put EOF on line 12 in configure
12:15	GreyFoxx	Verty, then you did not read the docs, It's ./configure; qmake mythtv.pro; make
12:16	GreyFoxx	and the configure I believe is for setting up the libavcodec stuff used in myth
12:16	rkulagow__	taylor jacob: here?
12:18	Verty	ah figures... thought qmake was a make "clone"... like it was a choice.... sorry to bother :)
12:19	laga	hehe
12:19	Chutt	rkulagow, dopester
12:21	rkulagow__	got it. not here.
12:22	Randall32	woo, now I just have to burn several dvd-rw's at 1x
12:22	Randall32	woops
12:22	rkulagow__	i'm updating the HOWTO; HDTV card section says they can only capture OTA HDTV, wanted latest and greatest on QAM support
12:22	rkulagow__	(since i don't have a card, i don't know)
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12:23	Beirdo	and dopester's not in at the moment :)
12:24	Beirdo	I think the latest was that he had the air2pc decoding QAM over cable, but (of course) only unencrypted channels
12:24	rkulagow__	beirdo: right, that's what i figured about the unencrypted stuff. like i said, wanted it from the horse's mouth so to speak.
12:25	Beirdo	for sure. :)
12:25	Beirdo	I'm sure he'll be back soon enough
12:30	Chutt	i just got my air2pc card
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12:31	rkulagow__	chutt: let me know how it works. according to the billing insert that i got last week from comcast, i should have a bunch of HD channels as a part of my basic service, including my local broadcast channels
12:33	Chutt	other alternative would be the firewire patch
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12:34	jams_	works great for me :) for the qam support the myth code doesn't handle all cases but dopester is working on that.
12:34	rkulagow__	right, but i don't have a STB.
12:35	jams_	same here
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12:36	stoffel_	i need food, can't think anymore
12:41	GeckoFiend_	stoffel_ food is overrated. Quad white mocha from Starbucks is a perfect lunch
12:41	stoffel_	that's my problem, i didn't had lunch today, neither breakfast
12:42	Beirdo	GeckoFiend: now that sounds good.
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12:42	Moraiat	MajestiK: grr
12:43	Beirdo	Moraiat: you're more likely to find him in #mythtv-users, I think
12:44	Moraiat	arr, i thank ye
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12:50	stoffel_	o_cee: sent you patch for mythweather to 'fix' missing themestrings. i'm away this evening. cy tomorrow
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13:27	Randall32	So are there plans to let you apply filters during capture?
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13:45	Chutt	randall32, err, no plans'
13:45	Chutt	that's been possible for a very, very long time.
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13:46	_rkulagow_	chutt: i got disconnected there for a while. did you happen to say anything interesting about your Air2PC card in the meantime?
13:48	Chutt	nope
13:48	Chutt	got work to do
13:48	_rkulagow_	ok
13:48	Chutt	probably won't be installing the thing until the weekend or later
13:49	Beirdo	Chutt: be pretty hard to apply filters pre-capture for DVB and PVR-250, I'd think?
13:49	_rkulagow_	just in time for after superbowl, eh? i wonder if my card will arrive before then.
13:51	Randall32	Chutt: Now the only problem is finding where it's done :)
13:51	Chutt	of course
13:54	Randall32	jasoncohen: I discovered qdvdauthor last night, which looked promising.
13:54	Randall32	woops
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14:16	beavis	o_cee, are you around?
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16:06	stoffel	o_cee: still in class?
16:10	Beirdo	Cardoe is amusing
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16:11	Beirdo	he wants to drastically change parts of the myth code. And thinks he can do this without forking the code just by submitting patches. In spite of several of us telling him that its doubtful they will ever be accepted.
16:11	Beirdo	like removing Qt from the backend
16:12	Beirdo	we told him it's a waste of time if it won't be accepted, but it's his time to waste, I guess.
16:14	Captain_Murdo	\| coming Q4 2010, Cardoe's GTK port of Mythbackend.
16:15	Chutt	why would he want to remove qt?
16:15	Captain_Murdo	\| say it's "bloat".
16:15	Captain_Murdo	\| doesn't understand at all.
16:16	Chutt	so compile it against qt/e or whatnot
16:16	Chutt	port to one of the qt-4.0 betas, where the gui components can be removed from everything else
16:16		* Captain_Murd can't wait to see Cardoe's "patches"
16:17	Chutt	i really don't understand how it can be bloat when we're using it to record multigigabyte video
16:17	Captain_Murdo	\| I wasn't involved with it, just saw them going back and forth over in -users earlier.
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16:19	Beirdo	I'm sure it could be trimmer without Qt, but why bother when this works fine anyways?
16:19	Captain_Murdo	\| yeah, some people don't get it. he probably runs gentoo with a 10-line long CFLAGS string for optimizations.
16:19	Beirdo	of course he does, he's a Gentoo developer :)
16:20	Beirdo	I wish him luck with his non-forked fork of the code. What a flaming waste of time
16:20	Chutt	it wouldn't be terribly much smaller
16:20	Beirdo	true enough
16:20	Chutt	you'd need to replace all the things that it's using qt for
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16:21	Beirdo	it would still need to be pthreads, and you'd have to implement all sorts of stuff that's in qt
16:21	Chutt	but then, i really don't understand why it matters
16:21	Chutt	video files are huge
16:22	Beirdo	there are so many more productive things to do, but he seems intent on doing this. I'm sure you will enjoy rejecting all the dumb patches :)
16:22	mikegrb	what is incredibly hilarious, all these smart people that were gentoo devs that I know, have all left gentoo
16:23	mikegrb	they hate what it has become with these ricer kiddies and what not
16:23	mikegrb	out of about 10 people all of them have left gentoo
16:23	jams_	wasn't that the person complaining that myth was broken and not the ebuild ?
16:23	mikegrb	heh
16:23	mikegrb	wouldn't be suprised
16:23	Beirdo	jams: that would be him
16:24	Chutt	no, qmake was broken
16:24	Chutt	but i think i've fixed all their issues in the last week or so
16:24	Riff-Raff	do any of you have experience with ffmpeg?
16:24	Beirdo	yeah, if he'd just try to work with developers instead of work around them, he'd get a lot further, I think
16:25	Chutt	<shrug>
16:25	Riff-Raff	I'm trying to get my subtitle patch to work with TS recordings but it's not easy :(
16:25	Chutt	if he wants to waste his time doing stuff that i'd never accept, that's his choice
16:26	Beirdo	Chutt: that's basically what we told him.
16:26	Beirdo	it is open source, he can do what he wants, but it won't be supported by any of us unless it's in the official project.
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16:28	gr8nash	chutt.. you were qouted as saying xvmc is working fine in cvs (pertaining to hd playback) is that an accurate qoute?
16:28	gr8nash	or statement..
16:28	Chutt	as far as i know, it's working fine
16:28	gr8nash	cool thank you.
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16:30	jams_	heh when starting the backend I get this in the logfile "Unknown command: RESCHEDULE_RECORDINGS"
16:31	Chutt	you're outta sync somehow
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16:40	jams_	correct , i didn't run make install as root so it could not overwrite the old files. stupid error
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16:41	_rkulagow_	"Use the wiki. The documentation is hard to update and no one ever feels like writing stuff for it. That's why the wiki was created." well, now I know.
16:42	Beirdo	??
16:42	_rkulagow_	message in -dev in the "themes" thread.
16:43	Beirdo	Ahh, I don't think I saw that one yet ;)
16:43	Beirdo	I didn't find the documentation all that hard to update. Edit, send in patch.
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17:26	Dibblah	Has someone got a "fake" video source coded up already? Something that serves repeatable video / audio?
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17:28	Captain_Murdo	\| nothing that serves repeatable, but there is a way to "record" from an existing mpeg2 file for testing.
17:29	Captain_Murdo	\| actually now that I think about it, I think I made that code repeat if it got to the end of the mpeg file.
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17:29	Captain_Murdo	\| so if you had a 2-minute sample you could still test a 1/2 hour recording and it would just be repeated 15 times.
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17:35	Dibblah	OK. I'll browse for the code now I know it exists. Thanks :)
17:37	laga	Captain_Murdoch_: could that feature be used to stream mpeg2 over http?
17:37	laga	e.g. by calling a script with the external channel change feature
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17:45	Captain_Murdo	\| Dibblah, just set your video device name to be "file:/the/path/to/the/mpeg/file.mpg" and set the type to be mpeg2 capture card and it should read from the file.
17:46	Captain_Murdo	\| laga, don't think so, this is just to help development testing in mpegrecorder.cpp. I added it so I could develop on my laptop which doesn't have a tuner card.
17:46	Captain_Murdo	\| also allows you to simulate multiple tuners for testing the scheduler, etc..
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17:48	Captain_Murdo	\| laga, all it does is copy the file, it doesn't transcode or anything, that's why it has to be a mpeg2 file and uses the mpegrecorder.cpp recorder class.
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19:50	o_cee	blah i'm back for those who yelled
19:50	GeckoFiend	hows your throat?
19:51	o_cee	better, i can swallow without making funny faces now hehe
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19:55	Beirdo	that's a good step, o_cee
19:55	o_cee	yeah i think so too
19:55	Beirdo	I've suffered through that a few times, it's not pleasant
20:00	dopester	chutt: torbjorn's EIT patch looks ok to me if you want to apply it
20:00	o_cee	stoffel, i don't touch mythweb, send that to chris instead, better that way :)
20:01	Chutt	pl
20:01	Chutt	blah
20:01	Chutt	ok
20:01	Chutt	stupid keyboard requiring my hands to be in the right position
20:02	Beirdo	:) I hate keyboards like that
20:03	o_cee	bah. titivillus has its own weather-ui.xml apparently, couple of strings that differ (capitalization only).. would be better to change the global strings instead of just makin local changes like that
20:03	Chutt	change em in Titivillus
20:04	o_cee	allright
20:04	dopester	chutt: play with your air2pc yet?
20:04	Chutt	nope
20:04	Chutt	i looked at it
20:04	Chutt	i like the holes through the pcb where the tuner is
20:04	dopester	cooling
20:04	Chutt	i know, just struck me as funny
20:04	dopester	the demod gets hot
20:04	dopester	i got some dvb cards like that
20:05	Chutt	wasn't aware that the thing was completely oem, but, that doesn't matter
20:05	Chutt	i don't have time to play with it right yet
20:05	o_cee	haven't really used mythweather in a long time so i dunno if the changes would be better globally. a bit late maybe
20:05	Chutt	gotta get everything together for the release
20:05	Beirdo	I remember one card we had at work (DSLAM)... it got so hot under the processor that the BGA part reflowed its solder and it stopped working.
20:05	dopester	as far as i know it was only used for datacasing before i got a hold of it
20:06	dopester	so no real purpose for fancy packaging
20:06	Chutt	neat
20:06	Chutt	plextor just emailed me
20:06	Chutt	about their usb2 mpeg4 stuff
20:07	Beirdo	cool.
20:09	GeckoFiend	ohhhhhh that would be nice to have
20:10	o_cee	GeckoFiend, what do you say, move your custom strings globally or remove your custom strings, pita to maintain for translation
20:11	GeckoFiend	in the theme file?
20:11	o_cee	in weather-ui.xml
20:11	o_cee	- <value>loading...</value>
20:11	o_cee	+ <value>Loading...</value>
20:11	o_cee	as an example
20:13	GeckoFiend	For the most part I don't care there's only a couple things I felt strongly about really
20:13	GeckoFiend	more to the point my WIFE cared about
20:13	Beirdo	far more important
20:13	o_cee	i don't use it so i have no idea what it looks like, but it'd be better if you'd change it in mythweather instead
20:14	Captain_Murdo	\| How about moving "Watch TV" down and making "Media Library" the top/default choice? :)
20:15	Beirdo	and then listen to all the users whine (for no good reason)
20:15	dopester	why not make the order of the menu randomly change if they ask stupid questions on the lists or irc :)
20:15	Beirdo	heh
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20:16	Captain_Murdo	\| make it change randomly when they go up/down. :) kinda like those javacripts on some webpages which move things around when you try to click them.
20:16	dopester	ooo.. good idea..
20:16	Chutt	bah, why make it change
20:16	Chutt	just make the actions be random, keep the text the same
20:17	o_cee	that would be amusing
20:17	Beirdo	heh
20:17	Captain_Murdo	\| :) really confuse them. "submit a backtrace, unless we can replicate we can't fix the issue"
20:17	dopester	need me to code that up before .17? :)
20:17	GeckoFiend	See that's why myth is such a great project visionary ideas
20:17	Beirdo	you'd have to have a way to remotely set a "dumbass user" bit
20:18	o_cee	or punish the ones watching commercials during superbowl? hahha
20:18	Beirdo	why, it's the only good part of the game :)
20:19	o_cee	heh, just sounds so damn stupid :P
20:19	Beirdo	doesn't it though?
20:19	dopester	i call it the stupidbowl
20:19	Beirdo	stuporbowl
20:23	Chutt	there, emailed plextor back
20:23	Chutt	let's see if i get some new hardware out of this =)
20:24	o_cee	what hw was it?
20:24	Chutt	usb2 mpeg1/2/4 encoder
20:24	Beirdo	nice.
20:24	o_cee	oh, sounds neat
20:24	o_cee	only thought they where into burners
20:24	Chutt	they said they're releasing a linux sdk soon, and myth users were hounding them for support
20:25	Beirdo	wow, and they are listening?
20:25	dopester	what kinda sdk i wonder
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20:27	Chutt	that's what i asked
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20:27	Chutt	told em they could add it themselves and send in a patch, or donate some hardware and i'd look into it
20:27	dopester	buncha binaries to link against that tell ya nothing..
20:27	Chutt	depending on what the sdk looked like
20:28	dopester	and don't work.. thats what i would expect.. :)
20:40	o_cee	bigass commit :)
20:40	o_cee	felt good
20:43	o_cee	GeckoFiend, so wich way, it's 6 strings that differs
20:44	Chutt	for now, i'd just change Titivillus
20:44	GeckoFiend	yeah.
20:44	Chutt	that'd be the least impact on the other translations
20:44	o_cee	allright
20:44	Chutt	we can change em both after the release
20:44	GeckoFiend	/agree
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20:52	o_cee	there, all done with my patches :)
20:52	RandallPPC	woo, ppc build from kind of works
20:52	RandallPPC	from cvs anyway
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20:54	RandallPPC	ah, livetv was kind of working, but it dies in View Recordings.
20:54	dopester	chutt: you'll want to delete channels.conf-import.pl from contrib since it will just corrupt the db now..
20:58	GeckoFiend	o_cee is it going to crew everyoen up if I fix the spelling mistake in manage recording -> schedule recordings?
21:01	o_cee	basically, yes
21:02	o_cee	dunno about the timeframe so :)
21:02	jams	GeckoFiend is that mispelling an image?
21:02	GeckoFiend	ohhhhhh yeah that I can fix right away
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21:04	Captain_Murdo	\| if you have to correct a spelling error, is it possible to just hand-edit (ie, search & replace) all the .ts files and make them match the new spelling, then regen the .qm files?
21:06	o_cee	would be possible yeah
21:07	o_cee	when running lupdate, the old string will be marked as obsolete, and the new corrected one will be untranslated. you could just manually fix that
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21:12	Captain_Murdo	\| are the .qm files totally generated from the .ts or is there some info stored in the .qm. I was wondering if you updated the .ts file's spelling and the .cpp's spelling, then ran lupdate, would lupdate realize the two were the same or would it generate a new entry in the .ts file (which would be a dup since you already corrected the spelling).
21:13	o_cee	qm's are totally generated from .ts
21:13	o_cee	lupdate would realize it's already there
21:13	Captain_Murdo	\| that's what I was thinking.
21:14	o_cee	i'm pretty sure it's like that at least ;)
21:14	o_cee	if you succeded you should see "0 new strings" etc
21:14	o_cee	when running lupdate -verbose
21:14	Captain_Murdo	\| I did that once before a long long time ago to fix a typo without having to have people retranslate and I thought it worked OK.
21:14	GeckoFiend	it was just the title image so nothing needs translated thank god
21:15	o_cee	yeah, most of the time the typos aren't translated ;)
21:15	Captain_Murdo	\| yeah, but I was just curious. this was a logic typo, not a misspelling. :)
21:15	o_cee	ah, yeah well that's better to leave the translators to look at ;)
21:15	Captain_Murdo	\| something to do with a setting description or something I think. anyway, not important now.
21:16	Captain_Murdo	\| can't remember exactly so doesn't matter.
21:16	o_cee	Chutt, have you got any idea when we'll see mythui? really want to start with the new theme stuff :)
21:17	o_cee	didn't hear anything more from CodeLogic?
21:19	GeckoFiend	hmmm "Lost" looks pretty nice in HD
21:20	o_cee	that show just started here today, missed it.. worth seeing?
21:23	Captain_Murdo	\| seems pretty good. I think I've seen a few people in here or -users saying they are recording it.
21:25	GeckoFiend	it's one of the few shows I watch live
21:25	o_cee	just added a recording.. there's a re-run so :)
21:25	GeckoFiend	if I don't I have to deal with evryone at work saying "did you see lost last night? wasn't it good?"
21:26	o_cee	:P
21:27	dopester	around the water cooler? :)
21:28	Beirdo	my answer would be "it's on my PVR, I'll watch it when I get a chance" :)
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21:32	GeckoFiend	problem is I've had more than one ruined by people tlaking about it and me overhearing them
21:33	Beirdo	yeah, that can be an issue
21:37	dopester	cube world?
21:38	dopester	i just shut my door and ignore everyone
21:38	Beirdo	I just put in my iPod earbuds and crank it
21:39	GeckoFiend	I have an office but I'm out and about a lot
21:39	GeckoFiend	I'm expected to "mentor"
21:41	dhofstra	nice to see GeckoFiend around again
21:41	GeckoFiend	heh nice to be back.. I should be back to fully engaged by the weekend
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21:55	Beirdo	Captain_Murdoch: is mythjobqueue meant to be run in the background, or will it detach itself?
21:57	Captain_Murdo	\| needs to be run in the background like mythbackend.
21:57	Captain_Murdo	\| isn't fancy enough to background itself, but patches are welcome. :)
21:58	Beirdo	hmm. OK, fair enough. I may well add the --daemon flag to it after the release :)
21:58	dopester	ooo... state of the union address in HD.. :)
21:59	Captain_Murdo	\| I fire it up manually occasionally on my dev box connecting to my production server so I can run through the queue and flag a bunch of shows real quick.
22:00	Beirdo	I was planning on running it on my fileserver to double the commercial flagging speed...
22:00	Beirdo	with 3 tuners, the queue really backs up sometimes
22:00	Captain_Murdo	\| yeah, that's part of why I did it, so you could run it places without having ot put a fully copy of mythbackend everywhere.
22:01	Captain_Murdo	\| I rarely watch stuff the day it records anyway so usually mine doesn't backup unless I put a new version of code on the box and I fire off flagging jobs for all the current recordings still available.
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22:03	Captain_Murdo	\| testing aspect ratio detection code right now but won't put it in CVS till after 0.17. just running this on a few samples, one with letterboxing from NBC, and one DVB sample from the UK that has actual aspect changes in it.
22:04	dopester	captain: if you need more let me know
22:07	Captain_Murdo	\| might want another one at some point. this is a 4:3 show with 16:9 commercials. code should work either way though because it looks at what aspect ratio or letterbox/non-letterbox the majority of frames have. then since it knows the "norm", it can tell which frames don't match the norm.
22:08	Captain_Murdo	\| the letterbox/pillarbox detection doesn't seem to be slowing the code down much either because it's done as part of the blank-frame detection routine.
22:08	dopester	cool
22:09		gr8nash-home \| Captain_Murdoch that is very cool
22:11	Captain_Murdo	\| it isn't totally relying on the aspect changes, it's using that info as part of the "ALL" method. because some places may have 16:9 content, then a 4:3 commercial, then a 16:9 commercial, then 4:3, then more 16:9 content. I figured if I made it just use the aspect ratio as hard breakpoints then it would get less and less accurate as more content and commercials go to 16:9 from 4:3.
22:13	Captain_Murdo	\| can DVB change fps? like commercials are one fps, show is another?
22:13	dopester	it COULD
22:14	Captain_Murdo	\| but not normally?
22:14	dopester	i dunno if they do
22:14	dopester	ive seen mplayer freak out trying to ivtc 1080i content before
22:14	dopester	but thats not what your talking about :)
22:14	Captain_Murdo	\| ok, just curious. thought I heard someone mention that it might.
22:14	dopester	well its possible
22:15	dopester	i could stick some debug in dtvrecorder to print out header changes
22:15	Captain_Murdo	\| but not in use enough to spend coding time detecting it right now. :)
22:15	Captain_Murdo	\| well, SetVideoParams gets called with the fps whenever the aspect ratio changes so I was curious if the fps could change.
22:15	dopester	yeah its all in the video header
22:16	dopester	bitrate, size, fps
22:16	dopester	size being resolution
22:16	Captain_Murdo	\| during flagging, whenever the decoder calls NuppelVideoPlayer::SetVideoParams, that in turn now will call CommDetect::SetVideoParams so I can catch the aspect ratio change.
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22:16	dopester	gotta remember dvb and atsc are just mpegts by the time it hits the hdd :)
22:17	dopester	and i bet the firewire stuff would be too
22:17	Captain_Murdo	\| I know enought about mpeg to get by but not a lot, hence my question. :)
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22:18	dopester	yeah np
22:18	dopester	i know enough about commercial flagging to ask dumb questions :)
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22:19	Beirdo	Captain_Murdoch: when running mythcommflag, at the end of every file, I get:
22:20	Beirdo	2005-02-02 22:19:26.399 Waited 2 seconds for data to become available, waiting again...
22:20	Beirdo	twice
22:20	GreyFoxx	I got that same thing last week when I rebuilt the seek tables on all my recordings
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22:20	Beirdo	just thought you might wanna know in case you weren't aware :)
22:25	Captain_Murdo	\| Beirdo, that's not mythcommflag, that's the RingBuffer. not sure why that started popping up, but I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with flagging and didn't start when I made any flagging changes.
22:26	Beirdo	OK
22:26	Beirdo	fair enough
22:28	Captain_Murdo	\| I wonder if it happens when you play a recording to the end normally.
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22:29	Beirdo	I think it might happen when you skip near the end
22:29	Beirdo	although the frontend isn't logging it
22:30	Beirdo	so maybe not
22:30	Captain_Murdo	\| could be because commflag runs full-speed it's starving the buffer
22:30	Captain_Murdo	\| didn't do it here in mythfrontend when I played something to the end, but I've been seeing it occasionally with mythcommflag.
22:35	tkoster	Having successfully constructed my mythbox and recorded a number of shows, I'd like to burn a number of those programs to a dvd. What's the best methodology for doing that?
22:35	RandallPPC	tkoster: good question
22:36	Beirdo	tkoster: see you in #mythtv-users for an answer
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22:50	Beirdo	heheh
22:50	Beirdo	"I wanna be buried face down... so anybody who doesn't like me can kiss my ass"
22:50	Beirdo	Gotta love That 70s Show
22:52	mikegrb	ja
22:52	mikegrb	but It takes a thief is on!
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22:54		* Beirdo yawns
23:00	Beirdo	GeckoFiend: you got a second?
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23:04	Chutt	patch time!
23:04	Beirdo	:)
23:05	Beirdo	Well, in case anyone else is interested... in the video manager using Titivillus, the text is a mess.
23:06	Beirdo	like "IMDB Number" has the IMDB number right over part of it
23:07		gr8nash-home \| what does uncle chutt have us today!!
23:07		gr8nash-home \| heh
23:08	Chutt	nothing big
23:10		gr8nash-home \| still i hate being behind even on spelling mistakes.. >=)
23:15	dopester	chutt: did you see my q about frequencuies.c earlier today?
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23:20	skone	if I copy a mp3 to my music folder, what is the easiet way to make it appear on mythweb?
23:21		gr8nash-home \| skone.. wrong channel read topic
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23:21	skone	yea sorry
23:22	rkulagow_	dopester: here?
23:22	dopester	yep
23:22	rkulagow_	hey, updating the howto. you did the driver for Air2PC card, correct?
23:22	dopester	yep
23:22	dopester	and the dvb code
23:23	rkulagow_	QAM support is now in linux-dvb?
23:23	dopester	nope
23:23	dopester	they haven't done anything with my patch yet
23:23	rkulagow_	ah, my bad.
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23:23	dopester	i dont see them rejecting it but its not going to be in a kernel
23:23	dopester	my driver with just 8vsb support will be in 2.6.11 it looks like
23:23	Chutt	dopester, no
23:24	dopester	chutt: do you know if there are any countires that still use NTSC channels 70-83?
23:24	Chutt	i dunno
23:25	rkulagow_	ok; just to make sure i've got the wording correct. 8VSB is OTA HDTV, which will be in 2.6.11. QAM is HDTV over cable; if your cable provider isn't encrypting HDTV, then the card can tune it in. is that correct?
23:25	dopester	k kinda wanted to whack em from there, but there will probbably some complaint from someone in nicaruga or something then
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