| --- | Log | opened Tue Feb 01 00:00:11 2005 |
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| 00:30 | xris | Chutt: you around? |
| 00:30 | Chutt | yeah |
| 00:30 | xris | http://forevermore.net/mythtv/nyt/ |
| 00:30 | xris | figured I should alert you to that. |
| 00:31 | xris | not sure when it'll get sent in, but there seem to be a number of people on the users channel who wanted some kind of petition. |
| 00:31 | Chutt | heh |
| 00:31 | Chutt | cool. |
| 00:31 | xris | lol |
| 00:36 | Chutt | going to post that to the list? |
| 00:36 | xris | only with your permission. |
| 00:36 | Chutt | i'm fine with it :p |
| 00:37 | dopester | chutt: you see i re-did it? |
| 00:37 | Chutt | yeah |
| 00:37 | Chutt | i'll apply it tomorrow |
| 00:37 | Chutt | tired :( |
| 00:38 | dopester | ok np.. i look ok though? |
| 00:38 | dopester | or didn't ya look.. |
| 00:38 | Chutt | yeah, looked ok |
| 00:38 | dopester | signed the petition :) |
| 00:39 | dopester | oooooo.. im number 4.. i feel special |
| 00:41 | Beirdo | you are special :) |
| 00:41 | xris | hah! I'm #1. ;) |
| 00:41 | dopester | yeah i did get to take the shorter bus to school :) |
| 00:58 | xris | so when scheduling a recording override for a specific episode, does mythtv pay attention to things like profile/etc? |
| 01:00 | dopester | betcha gigem knows |
| 01:02 | xris | oh, and is there a way to get the original recordid from a program that's overriding a schedule? |
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| 01:06 | Chutt | best to ask david |
| 01:06 | Chutt | i'm not up on the scheduler very much anymore =) |
| 01:06 | xris | lol |
| 01:06 | xris | I'll email him |
| 01:08 | Chutt | that speedup he did is pretty nice |
| 01:08 | Chutt | reschedules things extremely quickly =) |
| 01:09 | xris | cool |
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| 01:09 | xris | now I'm wishing I hadn't torn apart the guts of mythweb. heh |
| 01:12 | Chutt | heh |
| 01:13 | Beirdo | It will be worth it in the end, xris |
| 01:15 | xris | Beirdo: I know. |
| 01:15 | xris | I just wanted to be poking at my recipe program by now. heh. |
| 01:15 | Beirdo | :) |
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| 01:33 | xris | man, so many commits. |
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| 01:36 | xris | ok, only 2 more things to do for .17. |
| 01:36 | xris | well, and then cosmetic changes. |
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| 01:38 | Beirdo | heh |
| 01:38 | nfsv4 | heh |
| 01:38 | Beirdo | famous last words |
| 01:40 | xris | well, two big things left (and they're really the same thing -- record a program, and recording schedules) |
| 01:40 | xris | scheduled recordings page works again. |
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| 01:45 | cuban | How can I delete a scheduled recording? IE: I set MythTV to record the late show every night, but I no longer want it to do this. |
| 01:46 | xris | ask in the the user support channel, please. |
| 01:47 | cuban | what channel is that? |
| 01:47 | xris | read the topic |
| 01:47 | Beirdo | read the topic |
| 01:47 | Beirdo | wow, in stereo |
| 01:48 | xris | heh |
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| 08:33 | Anduin | "work very hard to quell attempts to set up some kind of show-sharing network for MythTV program" should be programs or reworded, and "unrequited lawsuit"?? |
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| 09:46 | GeckoFiend | Ok I think I borught the release notes up to date if everyone can have a look and see if anythign needs added / changed I'd appreciate it. Don't want to leave anyone's work / favorite new thing out. http://mythtv.info/moin.cgi/UnderDevelopment?action=show |
| 09:53 | Dibblah | Mac support has moved along very well. Mac users can now compile and run Mythfrontend "out of the box". Mythbackend does not yet work. |
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| 09:55 | Dibblah | tv_grab_uk_rt no longer loops unnecessarily (Mythfilldatabase run times are now sensible) |
| 09:58 | Dibblah | Many asserts have been removed. Previously these would cause either the frontend or the backend to terminate, with little useful debugging information available. |
| 09:58 | Dibblah | That's all I can see. Good summary :) |
| 10:02 | Dibblah | Doh. Libsoundtouch doesn't seem to be in there? |
| 10:05 | Dibblah | I take it the mythmusic audio integration patch didn't make it? |
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| 10:06 | laga | that'd be sad. |
| 10:08 | Dibblah | Errr... No. Sorry. That got committed 26/01/05 :) |
| 10:09 | Dibblah | In which case, that needs to go in as well :) |
| 10:10 | laga | hehe |
| 10:10 | laga | great |
| 10:11 | Anduin | GeckoFiend - Will there still be an abbreviated version? Something more end-user friendly? |
| 10:12 | GeckoFiend | hehe that IS the user friendly version |
| 10:13 | GeckoFiend | Dibblah that's in there |
| 10:13 | Anduin | GeckoFiend - I don't think it is very, I probably care about half of that stuff, maybe add a TOC at the top? |
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| 10:18 | GeckoFiend | The problem is that there's a LOT of information there. I've tried to catagorize it where possible. The misc list could probably be made smaller, but I really need to work on catagorizing things better from the start |
| 10:19 | GeckoFiend | I'll see if I can't clean it up more |
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| 10:54 | Chutt | maybe a list of the big, user-visible changes first? |
| 10:58 | GeckoFiend | How's this look: http://mythtv.info/moin.cgi/UnderDevelopment?action=show |
| 10:59 | GeckoFiend | I should proabably work on catagoizing the bug fixes better as well. |
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| 11:09 | Anduin | GeckoFiend - on an unrelated note, you really don't see the problem even in mythvideo? |
| 11:09 | GeckoFiend | nope not at all and I use the video manager a lot.... I'll try a fresh CVS checkout to make sure I don't have any uncommited changes. |
| 11:11 | Chutt | i've got lots of clipping in titivillus |
| 11:12 | Chutt | but i don't run at a 4:3 resolution |
| 11:12 | Chutt | most annoying thing is the song format info in mythmusic, and the title screen (blank image for the button text is too short) |
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| 11:34 | Anduin | GeckoFiend - also some of the weather images don't scale right (some are 200x150 others are 128x128) |
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| 11:38 | GeckoFiend | Chutt yeah, I've actually got a version for widescreen nearly done once it's done I'll try it on a 4:3 to see if it still looks ok |
| 11:38 | GeckoFiend | The clipping is caused by the scaliing I think. |
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| 11:39 | GeckoFiend | Anduin Are my images the same as the GANT ones? |
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| 11:48 | Anduin | Gecko_Lunch - not anymore |
| 11:49 | Chutt | geckofiend, authored for 1280x720? |
| 11:49 | Chutt | i need to find a not horribly overpriced 12ft hdmi cable |
| 11:49 | Chutt | and a not horribly overpriced dvi -> hdmi adaptor |
| 11:50 | beavis | did the location of the themes change yesterday? |
| 11:50 | Chutt | nope |
| 11:50 | beavis | my cvs build tells me it can't find the theme |
| 11:51 | Chutt | nothing's changed |
| 11:52 | beavis | strange |
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| 12:17 | Chutt | wildgoose, yo.. |
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| 12:18 | Baylink | Do people still say that? :-) |
| 12:19 | Baylink | I feel like I'm watching Isaac of Arcadia, or something. :-) |
| 12:19 | Chutt | heh |
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| 12:39 | Gecko_Lunch | Chutt yeah, I'm usinga 30inch LCD as a monitor now at 1280x702 |
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| 12:41 | gr8nash | man gecko share the wealth =( |
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| 12:45 | GeckoFiend | gr8nash heh I got a KILLER deal on it. $999 after rebates, |
| 12:46 | jams | afternoon GeckoFiend |
| 12:46 | GeckoFiend | hey jams! |
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| 12:47 | jams | welcome back |
| 12:47 | GeckoFiend | thanks! |
| 12:52 | jams | i'm attempting to get the 3000 dvb driver working. Hopefully I will have something positive to report later today |
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| 13:15 | Delemas | Chutt: I just testing bug 77 w/ 0.17 snapshot. A works for me resolution is tempting (although I'm probably not allowed.) |
| 13:15 | Delemas | s/just/was just/ |
| 13:18 | Chutt | i'll test it in a bit |
| 13:18 | Delemas | I tried doing what he did... I was using internal lirc support though which seems to work fine... |
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| 13:59 | rkulagow_ | chutt: here? |
| 14:01 | Chutt | yeah |
| 14:02 | rkulagow_ | so, after all is said and done, what do you think i should do about the section of the HOWTO that has the parallel compile stuff. those gentoo ebuild people sure were yelling alot. |
| 14:02 | Chutt | as long as it works for the release, i don't mind it there |
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| 14:03 | rkulagow_ | is there a better technique then explicitly specifying the subdirectories? i did it because otherwise sometimes one thread gets ahead of the others and depends on an earlier subdirectory |
| 14:03 | Chutt | you can always do a make -j<blah>, then do a normal make if it fails |
| 14:04 | Chutt | can also try to see what happens with the current build tree, since the dependencies are a little better specified. |
| 14:04 | rkulagow_ | ok, i'll give it a try |
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| 14:06 | beavis | Something sets m_installprefix to /usr/local/ in mythcontext.cpp in my debian build today. hmm |
| 14:06 | Chutt | hasn't changed :p |
| 14:06 | stoffel | *g* |
| 14:07 | beavis | ;) |
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| 14:11 | Beirdo | Chutt: just curious (if you have the time). What are the current mailing list subscriber counts? |
| 14:11 | Chutt | i dunno |
| 14:12 | Beirdo | I remember it being a significant number (tens of thousands) on -users a few months ago |
| 14:12 | Chutt | naw |
| 14:12 | Chutt | several thousand |
| 14:12 | Chutt | not 10s |
| 14:13 | Beirdo | really? bad memory then I guess |
| 14:13 | Beirdo | you guys must really burn through the bandwidth with all that mail |
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| 14:21 | stoffel | Chutt: hey, did dibblah's comment about libexif help? |
| 14:21 | Chutt | oh, yeah |
| 14:21 | Chutt | i've been a tad busy, though |
| 14:21 | stoffel | np, just wanted to mention it |
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| 14:33 | rkulagow_ | chutt: here's what happened when i did a make -j 4: |
| 14:33 | rkulagow_ | usr/share/qt3/bin/moc sr_root.h -o moc_sr_root.cpp |
| 14:33 | rkulagow_ | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `../libavcodec/libmythavcodec-0.17.so', needed by `libmythtv-0.17.so.0.17.0'. Stop. |
| 14:33 | rkulagow_ | make[2]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... |
| 14:33 | rkulagow_ | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/mythtv/mythtv/libs/libmythtv' |
| 14:33 | rkulagow_ | make[1]: *** [sub-libmythtv] Error 2 |
| 14:33 | rkulagow_ | make: *** [sub-libs] Error 2 |
| 14:33 | rkulagow_ | is "better" dependency supposed to be 100% (is what i pasted an actual error?) |
| 14:34 | Chutt | in libs/libs.pro |
| 14:34 | Chutt | try adding a: 'CONFIG += ordered' line |
| 14:34 | Chutt | make distclean, then try rebuilding with the -j 4 |
| 14:34 | rkulagow_ | ok |
| 14:35 | rkulagow_ | put it before the subdirs line? |
| 14:36 | Chutt | sure |
| 14:36 | rkulagow_ | ok, lets see what happens... |
| 14:36 | rkulagow_ | so, now there's a "mythtv store" selling the Air2PC-ATSC card... |
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| 14:55 | rkulagow_ | chutt: how do you feel about getting rid of the ivtv stuff? i asked tmk if he was going to release 0.2.0, never got a response, and i don't want to keep trying to stay up to date with the latest CK rc |
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| 14:58 | goodie | with 0.16 version, there seems to be issues with adding alot of files to the playlist. First of, it uses really long time to index, but worse, random features only random to G in the alphabet or something. Is these issues known? |
| 15:06 | Baylink | rkulagow_: as annoying as it is, my estimate is that 50% or so of, at least, the people I see on lists and IRC, seem to be using Hauppauge cards. What would be the impact of what you suggest? |
| 15:08 | laga | *cough* |
| 15:08 | | * laga readies his shootgun |
| 15:08 | laga | you'd have to get my pvr 250 from my cold finger. |
| 15:09 | GreyFoxx | And considereing that CK has al but stopped updating his stuff It's not like there are a lot of changes going on at the moment :) |
| 15:09 | rkulagow_ | well, i'd assume that the ivtv people will have the latest install documents |
| 15:09 | Baylink | I expect a lot of that; I'm curious what, precisely, the thrust of his inquiry is. |
| 15:09 | Baylink | "Getting rid of" which stuff, rk? |
| 15:09 | rkulagow_ | the part of the howto that tells you how to compile and install for mandrake |
| 15:10 | rkulagow_ | (the ivtv items) |
| 15:11 | Baylink | Oh, just in the howto. Well, if it refers to someone else's, I don't see why not. I thought you meant code support; did I come in late? |
| 15:11 | Beirdo | as long as the process is documented somewhere, we should be fine as long as people can easily find said docs, no? |
| 15:12 | stoffel | Baylink: basically it's like this: rkulagow -> docs, chutt (and others) -> code ;) |
| 15:12 | stoffel | with exceptions to the rule of course |
| 15:12 | laga | oh, i'm sorry. ;) |
| 15:12 | laga | i thought you wanted to remove the support for ivtv from the backend |
| 15:13 | Beirdo | God no, that would be horrible :) |
| 15:13 | GreyFoxx | That's what I thought he meant too hehe |
| 15:13 | stoffel | like 'back to the roots' |
| 15:13 | laga | i'm glad i'm not alone with that terrifying assumption ;) |
| 15:13 | laga | stoffel: yeah. one frame = one punchcard. |
| 15:14 | Baylink | Got it. Naw, rk; as I say, as long as it points to someone's reasonably current doco (and if that's not at mythtv.info, I'll fix it tonight :-)... No reason why not from me. |
| 15:14 | laga | Baylink: btw, i've added a link to chris' petition to the front page of the wiki. i hope you're ok with that. |
| 15:15 | stoffel | petition? |
| 15:15 | stoffel | on the frontpage, ah |
| 15:15 | laga | stoffel: http://www.sphereux.com/mythtv-nyt/ |
| 15:15 | beavis | the nytimes petition stoffel |
| 15:15 | laga | i probably need to update that link, though. |
| 15:15 | Beirdo | It's not really a petition. |
| 15:16 | laga | whatever. |
| 15:16 | laga | ;) |
| 15:16 | Beirdo | it's more of a letter to the editor from many many people :) |
| 15:16 | stoffel | 'interesting' title so far |
| 15:17 | laga | huh? "immutable page"? am i missing something? |
| 15:17 | laga | i can't edit the frontpage |
| 15:17 | Baylink | Chris has a petition? I'm fine; it's not really my wiki; I just flack it. |
| 15:17 | Baylink | You're not logged in. |
| 15:17 | laga | Baylink: oh. hehe. ;) |
| 15:17 | Baylink | Dummy. :-) |
| 15:18 | stoffel | omg, he's only 26. i feel old now |
| 15:18 | | * laga hands baylink a trout |
| 15:18 | GreyFoxx | Beirdo: Ever try one of those FXO cards you were looking at ? |
| 15:18 | Beirdo | not really the channel for it, GreyFoxx :) |
| 15:18 | Beirdo | heh |
| 15:18 | Beirdo | but yes, and none of them work |
| 15:18 | GreyFoxx | Forgot which I had focus on when I typed it :) |
| 15:18 | Beirdo | going to -users :) |
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| 15:22 | Beirdo | laga: you gonna fix that link, or should I? :) |
| 15:22 | laga | Beirdo: i'm on it. |
| 15:22 | laga | Beirdo: i've felt like updating my personal page in the meantime ;) |
| 15:22 | Beirdo | Heh |
| 15:22 | | * Beirdo goes back to -users... |
| 15:25 | Baylink | You *bet* you can publish it, laga. In fact, I'm going to punch it up a bit. |
| 15:25 | laga | Baylink: nice. |
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| 16:18 | | * stoffel suggests a feature freeze of one week. testing translations with 'hot' code (scheduler.cpp bug just fixed) isn't fun |
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| 16:19 | Chutt | too late =) |
| 16:19 | Chutt | you've got, oh, 5 days? |
| 16:19 | stoffel | well, yes. but i'd like to get some feedback from users before the release |
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| 16:23 | Chutt | code freezes are boring |
| 16:23 | Chutt | wastes time i could be using to do stuff |
| 16:23 | stoffel | hehe, i don't want to stop you |
| 16:23 | beavis | so a string freeze at least |
| 16:24 | Chutt | can't enforce that |
| 16:24 | Chutt | besides, none of the translations are 100% complete |
| 16:24 | stoffel | the english one is |
| 16:24 | Chutt | it's not treated as a translation |
| 16:25 | | * stoffel tried to be funny |
| 16:25 | hadeees | Chutt, when an offical module is installed how does the item get added to mythtv menu? i am trying to write some ebuilds for 3rd party myth modules (ie mythstream) |
| 16:25 | Chutt | yea yea :p |
| 16:25 | Chutt | hadeees, magic, essentially. |
| 16:26 | hadeees | Chutt, hehe it isn't a patch is it? does the qmake add it? |
| 16:26 | Chutt | menus must be patched, yes. |
| 16:26 | hadeees | and when they are uninstalled the menus patches get reversed? |
| 16:26 | Chutt | nope |
| 16:26 | Chutt | the menus contain entries for all official plugins |
| 16:27 | hadeees | Chutt, oh and they don't display unless the module is there |
| 16:27 | Chutt | righto |
| 16:27 | hadeees | ah, so can I come up with a similar patch for 3rd party modules? so that it will add all the possible 3rd party modules to the menu but won't show them unless they are installed? |
| 16:27 | Chutt | sure |
| 16:28 | hadeees | Chutt, cool, just for my own curiosity what makes something become an offical module? like why is mythphone one over say mythstream |
| 16:29 | hadeees | is it a maintainer> |
| 16:29 | hadeees | ? |
| 16:29 | Chutt | it's maintained, i've looked through the source and it's not doing anything horribly wrong |
| 16:30 | Chutt | acceptably written, etc |
| 16:30 | Beirdo | and isn't to do something illegal? :) |
| 16:30 | Chutt | that too. |
| 16:30 | Baylink | Or even questionably legal. |
| 16:31 | hadeees | Beirdo, mythstream is legal i think |
| 16:31 | Beirdo | I wasn't saying it wasn't :) |
| 16:31 | Chutt | but it wasn't written the way i thought it should be |
| 16:31 | hadeees | Chutt, I know my opinion doesn't matter much but I would vote for mythstream to be offical |
| 16:31 | Chutt | ie, integrated into mythvideo/mythmusic |
| 16:31 | Chutt | where it belongs, not as a silly separate module |
| 16:32 | hadeees | Chutt, yeah i guess your right about that |
| 16:32 | hadeees | although putting it in mythvideo and music might get confusing |
| 16:32 | rkulagow_ | chris pinkham: here? |
| 16:32 | hadeees | they are almost like their own tv channels |
| 16:33 | Chutt | where it belongs, though, really. |
| 16:33 | | * Beirdo points at the two instances of Captain_Murdoch |
| 16:34 | hadeees | Chutt, yet again I am going on a limb but you every think about making everything like a channel? for example then you could have mythmusic in the pip and mythvideo in the front |
| 16:34 | hadeees | hehe although i am guessing that would mean a huge overhaul of how mythtv works |
| 16:35 | hadeees | but in theory i think it would be a cool ui |
| 16:35 | Chutt | possibly |
| 16:36 | hadeees | Chutt, you ever read any books on good UI? and would you be open for donations of said books? |
| 16:36 | hadeees | not saying Mythtv has bad UI |
| 16:36 | stoffel | hadeees: that was too obvious |
| 16:36 | stoffel | ;) |
| 16:37 | hadeees | stoffel, nah i read these books my self, they are pretty useful |
| 16:37 | Captain_Murdo | | Beirdo, one is me at home and one is me at work. |
| 16:37 | hadeees | I was thinking of donating some UI books to any mythtv dev who wants |
| 16:37 | stoffel | hadeees: cool |
| 16:38 | Chutt | i don't really like computer books |
| 16:38 | o_cee | well i'm doing gant, and haven't really read that much about that stuff ;) |
| 16:38 | Beirdo | I figured, Captain_Murdoch. rkulagow_ was looking for ya |
| 16:39 | o_cee | Chutt, i'll add those new catcolors for .17 right? until we got something better sorted out? |
| 16:39 | hadeees | o_cee, i like gant =), i read the books because i do alot of programing in similar situations with mythtv, well kind of I program stuff on very small screens, like pda and phones, similarly where you have to be that much better with you UI desgin then say on a computer |
| 16:40 | o_cee | yep, intresting stuff. not easy designing a good ui, especially on something like a tv |
| 16:40 | Chutt | yup, might as well |
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| 16:41 | o_cee | couldn't make any sense of what they where talking about, waiting for another patch.. there's already stuff in there that says dutch and belgian grabber. |
| 16:42 | o_cee | crappy vesa driver is driving me nuts!! bah |
| 16:43 | rkulagow_ | captain_murdoch: you forgot to update keys.txt when you added invert cutlist. naughty, naughty! |
| 16:43 | rkulagow_ | (i'm syncing the HOWTO and keys.txt; I added it already) |
| 16:46 | Captain_Murdo | | :) thanks. |
| 16:47 | Captain_Murdo | | was too engrossed in trying to think up a catchy commit message about fans of the commercials in the Superbowl but not necessarily fans of the Superbowl. |
| 16:51 | johnnyST | I think I have found a a bug if I uncheck "Free to air channels only" then if I scan again the DVB channels then all channels are added twice in the database. |
| 16:51 | johnnyST | I think that is not ok! |
| 16:52 | johnnyST | This is todays CVS version of mythtv... |
| 16:56 | Chutt | rkulagow, that worked for you, too? |
| 16:57 | rkulagow_ | yep |
| 16:58 | Chutt | you'll take that bit out of the docs, then, i assume? =) |
| 16:58 | rkulagow_ | already have |
| 16:58 | Chutt | excellent. |
| 17:00 | o_cee | what's the deal with the super bowl commercials? |
| 17:00 | rkulagow_ | they're usually more interesting than the game that's on |
| 17:01 | o_cee | in what way? i mean, how can commercials ever be intresting? :) |
| 17:01 | rkulagow_ | you can ask the same question about american football. |
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| 17:03 | Anduin | o_cee - a large amount of money is spent producing them and showing them |
| 17:04 | o_cee | but they're still commercials.. ah well, guess that's another one of those things i'll never understand ;) |
| 17:05 | Anduin | o_cee - you're not alone, a huge waste of time, and generally not worth it (both the game and the commercials) |
| 17:06 | o_cee | hehe |
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| 17:10 | o_cee | yey, just looked up the english name for what i've got, in case you all think i'm extra confused.. tonsillitis.. hurts like hell. muhah |
| 17:10 | Beirdo | gah. That does, yes |
| 17:10 | stoffel | where? |
| 17:14 | o_cee | it isn't possible to commit from different modules at the same time right? |
| 17:14 | o_cee | stoffel, got any german updates for .17? |
| 17:15 | beablis | mdz, will there be a deb for mythphone this time? |
| 17:16 | rkulagow_ | chutt: were you going to commit DTK's signal UI patch? |
| 17:17 | Chutt | dunno |
| 17:17 | Chutt | hadn't looked at it |
| 17:18 | rkulagow_ | did you get an email from some radio station about an interview? |
| 17:18 | mdz | beablis: is mythphone even properly released yet? |
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| 17:18 | mdz | if/when it is, I suppose I'll package it |
| 17:18 | stoffel | o_cee: LOTS of updates, i'm just finishing them up before sending them in. |
| 17:18 | beablis | it's in the official repository mdz |
| 17:18 | Chutt | mdz, it was released last time |
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| 17:21 | beavis | mdz, the way myth works with mysql.txt has changed now, so the old debian files do work anymore, do you have a working debian/ for 0.17? |
| 17:21 | mdz | did I miss the 0.17 release? |
| 17:21 | Chutt | nope |
| 17:22 | Chutt | mythphone _was_ in the 0.16 release, though |
| 17:22 | mdz | I only update the packaging when a new release comes out; to do otherwise is a waste of effort |
| 17:22 | mdz | yeah, doing mythphone now |
| 17:22 | beavis | mdz, great |
| 17:23 | rkulagow_ | crikey! fox is starting football at 9AM on superbowl sunday. |
| 17:23 | mdz | can someone give me a useful description of what it does, for the package descriiption? |
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| 17:24 | beavis | does anyone know where myth's looking for a mysql.txt now? |
| 17:24 | stoffel | beavis: are you serious? |
| 17:24 | Chutt | same place it's always looked for it. |
| 17:24 | beavis | MythPhone is a plugin for MythTV that provides for phone and video calls to be made using a standard SIP protocol. |
| 17:24 | stoffel | beavis: $HOME/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| 17:24 | beavis | http://www.zen13655.zen.co.uk/mythphone.html |
| 17:25 | mdz | oh, neat |
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| 17:28 | mdz | g++ -c -pipe -Wall -W -Wno-unused -O3 -march=pentiumpro -fomit-frame-pointer -D_REENTRANT -fPIC -D_GNU_SOURCE -DPREFIX=\"/usr/local\" -D_REENTRANT -DUSE_PTHREADS -DFESTIVAL_HOME=\"/home/paul/Build/festival/festival/\" -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -DQT_PLUGIN -DQT_SHARED -I/usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/default -I. -I/usr/local/include -I../../mythtv/libs/ -I/home/paul/Build/festival/festival//src/include -I/home/paul/Build/festival/speech_tools |
| 17:28 | mdz | //include -I/usr/include/qt3 -o main.o main.cpp |
| 17:28 | mdz | I am not paul |
| 17:28 | Beirdo | heheh |
| 17:28 | mdz | -I../../mythtv/libs/ isn't going to fly either |
| 17:28 | mdz | if this thing can't be built in a standard environment, it isn't ready to be packaged |
| 17:29 | mdz | it seems to want libavcodec from the mythtv tree |
| 17:29 | mdz | the festival thing is easy enough to fix |
| 17:29 | beavis | mdz, I've created a fresh deb just one hour ago |
| 17:30 | mdz | beavis: I suppose you built it in a directory where ../mythtv happened to be the path to a copy of the mythtv source |
| 17:30 | beavis | yes |
| 17:30 | mdz | bingo |
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| 17:32 | Chutt | hah |
| 17:33 | mdz | Chutt: any plans to export libmythavcodec? |
| 17:33 | Chutt | not really |
| 17:33 | Chutt | it's installing the headers, though |
| 17:33 | Chutt | so plugins should be able to just use those. |
| 17:34 | mdz | so I could fix it to compile, but not link? :-P |
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| 17:34 | Chutt | eh? |
| 17:35 | Chutt | it's all there |
| 17:35 | mdz | oh, so i tis |
| 17:35 | mdz | it is |
| 17:35 | Chutt | and you shouldn't need to explicitly link against it, as mythfrontend is |
| 17:35 | Dibblah | Any reason why pthreads are used in preference to QThread? |
| 17:35 | Chutt | different useage pattern |
| 17:35 | mdz | mind if I commit the ../mythtv/libs -> mythtv/ffmpeg fix? |
| 17:35 | Chutt | pthreads are a bit easier to use |
| 17:35 | Dibblah | (I'm meaning specifically the threads, not the signals / semaphores) |
| 17:36 | Chutt | course not |
| 17:37 | Dibblah | OK. I'm doing the lock conversions and was looking at moving the rest of the pthread depenancies across as well... But I think that may be beyond me at this stage ;) |
| 17:37 | Chutt | you're welcome to move things to use QThread |
| 17:37 | Chutt | i wouldn't mind - it's just a more complex change |
| 17:38 | rkulagow_ | chutt: i think i'm going to whack all the alsa compile stuff, which refers to 0.9. alsa's in the kernel now, and anyone using a distro should use what comes with their stuff, not downloading a tarball. |
| 17:38 | Dibblah | Not much more complex, but I started in audiooutputbase... Where I can see that a QThread may actually be a more obvious interface. |
| 17:38 | Chutt | could be, yes |
| 17:39 | Dibblah | However, I think that can wait and go in with the audio capture changes... |
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| 18:03 | | * mdz shrieks at mythphone/configure |
| 18:04 | mdz | "configure" == "write hardcoded paths to config.h" |
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| 18:13 | Geckofiend | chutt any objections to a widescreen mode where the w/hmults are based on 1280x720? |
| 18:22 | hadees | hey just in theory do you think it would be possible to use a combination of voice recognition and error checking against the closed captioning software to tell what people are saying on the video at a specific time? |
| 18:23 | mikegrb | sure, why not |
| 18:24 | hadees | mikegrb, i guess anything is possible in theory right? but really if it would be praticle |
| 18:24 | hadees | i wonder about the CPU requirements and how long it would take to go through like 30 mins of video |
| 18:25 | kvandivo | so what's the issue? you don't trust the closed caption writers and want to verify programattically that they are getting it right? |
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| 18:25 | mikegrb | kvandivo: exactly |
| 18:25 | mikegrb | but just watching them would tell you they are wrong ;) |
| 18:25 | kvandivo | I've thought for a long time now that they are out to get me |
| 18:25 | mikegrb | I must use closed captions as I'm close to deaf and my wife doesn't like tyhe volume up loud enough for me to hear it |
| 18:26 | o_cee | wireless headphones? :) |
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| 18:26 | hadees | kvandivo, no a long time ago i read an article about the structure of TV News shows. It talked very detailed that how they are normally laid out and that based on the fact you normaly see a person between stories you could cut the show up into the various stories. If you could then know what each story was about and when they were talking about it, you could have your mytthv box record all news programs and only show you stories you wan |
| 18:26 | hadees | t to hear about, like a video slashdot |
| 18:27 | mikegrb | o_cee: would work, would take lots of batteries to use them /all/ the time |
| 18:28 | hadees | but that means being able to go through each news show and having a very good idea when they are talking about specific stories |
| 18:28 | Chutt | geckofiend, nope, but i'd not like to spend much time on that outside of mythui |
| 18:28 | kvandivo | what closed caption would provide, in other words... |
| 18:29 | kvandivo | |
| 18:30 | Geckofiend | yeah I was thinking something simple, like a flag in the theme file that tiggered a mult readjustment |
| 18:30 | hadees | with the current limitations though of voice recognition you couldn't really trust it, although if you made it match up to the CC then I think you could be fairly sure you know what they said |
| 18:30 | hadees | in theory that is |
| 18:31 | mikegrb | hadees: I think there are windows programs that implement such |
| 18:31 | mikegrb | hadees: also there is a web company offering something similiar very soon, don't remember if it was google or was someone else |
| 18:31 | hadees | mikegrb, really? do they use a computer to do it automaticly or do they do it by hand marking everything |
| 18:31 | mikegrb | they just used cc though |
| 18:32 | mikegrb | why use voice recognition at all when the cc are there? |
| 18:32 | hadees | mikegrb, because i don't know if you can trust that the cc will come a set time after they speak |
| 18:33 | kvandivo | you place a high value on 5-10 seconds of your life |
| 18:33 | mikegrb | kvandivo: <3 |
| 18:33 | hadees | kvandivo, huh? i just want to only watch new shows that intrest me much like i only read news stories that intrest me |
| 18:34 | hadees | and being to tell exactly when they are speaking about the story would be important for parsing News Shows since the stories are so short |
| 18:35 | kvandivo | go crazy |
| 18:35 | hadees | kvandivo, its all really theory right now, i don't know if i am going to do it, but i wanted some feed back on the idea |
| 18:37 | hadees | if i could trust that the delay between When something is said on screen and when the CC appears to be constant I could skip the voice recognition stuff |
| 18:40 | mikegrb | for news they are very variable |
| 18:40 | mikegrb | anywhere from 5 or so to as much as 30 or 40 seconds behind |
| 18:41 | hadees | mikegrb, so we know kvandivo thinks its a crazy idea, what about you? |
| 18:41 | mikegrb | I dunno |
| 18:41 | o_cee | yey, swe translations should be all 100% :) |
| 18:41 | mikegrb | it would take loads and loads and loads of work |
| 18:42 | mikegrb | I don't think the benifit is worth the work |
| 18:42 | hadees | mikegrb, hehe yeah thats why it is a theory |
| 18:42 | mdz | text data bss dec hex filename |
| 18:42 | mdz | 1888935 117008 1672 2007615 1ea23f mythphone-0.16/debian/mythphone/usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythphone.so |
| 18:42 | mdz | it's huge |
| 18:42 | mikegrb | maybe in the future, with a readily available natural language recognition library |
| 18:42 | hadees | mikegrb, there are open source ones |
| 18:42 | mikegrb | hmm |
| 18:42 | hadees | i think i am going to pipe a couple recordings through them |
| 18:42 | hadees | see what happens |
| 18:42 | mikegrb | the one from cmu? |
| 18:43 | hadees | mikegrb, yeah |
| 18:43 | mikegrb | sphinx I think it is |
| 18:43 | hadees | and you can get your hands on the old ibm one |
| 18:43 | mikegrb | I want to find a small vocab solution |
| 18:44 | mikegrb | ie pass it some audio and yes, no, next, previous, delete, and it tells me which word they said or n o match |
| 18:44 | mikegrb | would be great for asterisk |
| 18:47 | o_cee | what's the difference between <window name="programguide-video"> and <window name="programguide"> ?? |
| 18:47 | mdz | mythphone debs are up, if someone would like to test them and let me know if they work at all |
| 18:49 | Geckofiend | o_cee the -video is the one used for live tv that has the video window in the corner |
| 18:50 | o_cee | Geckofiend, the catcolors are needed in _both_ ?? |
| 18:50 | Geckofiend | :( yeah |
| 18:50 | o_cee | really need to do something about that |
| 18:50 | hadees | mikegrb, http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/sphinx3/ |
| 18:50 | o_cee | dammit crap |
| 18:50 | mikegrb | hadees: thanks, have a cookie |
| 18:52 | hadees | mikegrb, hehe there are 4 sphinx programs, i think the one that would do what you want is that one |
| 18:52 | mikegrb | I looked a few days ago and gave up |
| 18:52 | mikegrb | I will certainly try that out |
| 18:55 | Chutt | geckofiend, (back from dinner), anyway, using 1280x720 is a good, since that's what my projector is natively =) |
| 18:55 | Geckofiend | hehe and my monitor ;) |
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| 18:59 | o_cee | are there any gfx cards with hdmi yet? |
| 19:00 | dopester | is hdmi different from dvi? i thought they were the same just differnet shape |
| 19:01 | o_cee | yeah maybe |
| 19:01 | o_cee | think hdmi takes sound as well though |
| 19:02 | o_cee | so dvi out -> hdmi.. hmm, would be nice. thinking about getting a new screen |
| 19:02 | dopester | i know ive seen adaptor cables for 75 bucks on the net |
| 19:02 | dopester | i assumed the price was a 20000% markup like all hd related things |
| 19:03 | mikegrb | yup |
| 19:03 | mikegrb | big markup |
| 19:03 | o_cee | http://hembiobutiken.se/images/prod/109210_2.jpg |
| 19:03 | mikegrb | signal is the same, hdmi can carry sound too |
| 19:03 | mikegrb | like 3 or 4 digital channels |
| 19:03 | o_cee | that adaptor is 40$ |
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| 19:09 | mikegrb | oh my, mac word has no template for a resume, and it's got like 10,000 others |
| 19:10 | cmorgan | mikegrb: if you can afford a mac you MUST have a job |
| 19:11 | mikegrb | well I was in the navy and just got out |
| 19:11 | mikegrb | have a job lined up but he wants a resume "if it isn't a problem" |
| 19:11 | mikegrb | "just needs education and work experienced, doesn't even need to look pretty" |
| 19:12 | Randall32 | Resumes are kind of free-form for a template. |
| 19:12 | mikegrb | I get 2 weeks to do what ever I want, then have to fly to nashville for a few days |
| 19:15 | Geckofiend | oh joy: Ohio Supreme Court justice cited for drunk driving at two in the afternoon |
| 19:19 | dopester | whats Cory's deal with "profit" being a reason to have analog support for the hd3k? |
| 19:20 | jams | it's a joke that slashdot ran into the ground |
| 19:21 | dopester | oh ok.. i was thinking it was kinda arrogant but i don't read slashdot that much cause it seems like a buncha stupid crap most of the time |
| 19:21 | jams | it is |
| 19:21 | dopester | :) |
| 19:21 | dopester | jams: im going to try to do the atsc full scan tonight |
| 19:22 | jams | cool |
| 19:22 | rkulagow_ | why i love mythtv: |
| 19:22 | rkulagow_ | Encoder 1 - WGN (Local Chicago) - Gilmore Girls |
| 19:22 | rkulagow_ | Encoder 2 - WMAQ - Scrubs |
| 19:22 | rkulagow_ | Encoder 3 - WFLD - House |
| 19:22 | rkulagow_ | Encoder 4 - WTTW - Nova |
| 19:22 | rkulagow_ | sweet. |
| 19:22 | jams | rkulagow_your in chicago? |
| 19:22 | rkulagow_ | yes |
| 19:22 | jams | never mind I should have got that from the station names :) |
| 19:24 | dopester | i was guessing somewhere in the east coast :) |
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