TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#mythtv:2005:01:26

---	Log	opened Wed Jan 26 00:00:40 2005
---	Day	changed Wed Jan 26 2005
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00:26	Chutt	fucking hell
00:26	Chutt	managed to lock up ed's mythmusic patch 3 times now
00:31	Beirdo	nice patch :)
00:32	Chutt	make it 4
00:32	Chutt	just fucking seeking
00:32	Beirdo	nice
00:33	Beirdo	something tells me that patch is going back for rework
00:35	Chutt	no, i'll fix it
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00:48	Chutt	there, easy fix.
00:55	Beirdo	Good to hear :)
01:03	dopester	chutt: does any of the pathces those aussies keep making make any sense to you?
01:03	Chutt	the first one's ok
01:04	Chutt	second one looks to be, but i'll ask dtk about it
01:04	Chutt	dunno about the 3rd (to transform.c)
01:04	Chutt	rejecting the 4th completely
01:04	Chutt	that 'preferac3' thing is just dumb.
01:04	dopester	yeah im not sure about 3
01:07	dopester	i'll apply 3 and see if it keeps everything working here.. im not sure and metzler is impossible to get a hold of..
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01:11	dopester	thanks for putting the scan fix in chutt
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02:58	Chutt	closing bugs is fun.
02:59	Dibblah	:)
02:59	Dibblah	What on earth are you doing up at this time? ;)
02:59	Chutt	not sleeping
02:59	Dibblah	Got a sec to look at a backtrace related to "2005-01-25 22:35:00.141 13 ACCEPT[]:[]14
02:59	Dibblah	2005-01-25 22:35:00.147 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Playback
02:59	Dibblah	2005-01-25 22:35:00.147 adding: backend1 as a client (events: 0)
02:59	Dibblah	2005-01-25 22:35:00.147 2 OK
02:59	Dibblah	2005-01-25 22:35:00.159 waiting for a thread..
02:59	Dibblah	"
03:00	Dibblah	?
03:00	Chutt	ah, sure
03:00	Dibblah	http://pastebin.ca/4746
03:01	Dibblah	(This is an attached live backtrace - I still have it open in GDB)
03:02	Dibblah	Oh bugger....
03:02	Dibblah	Just noticed the distinct lack of symbols.
03:02	Dibblah	Sorry to have bothered you.
03:02	Chutt	not enough stuff with symbols :p
03:03	Dibblah	Okay. Next time, I'll get the varmint.
03:03	Dibblah	Have you seen this before?
03:03	Chutt	well, kinda
03:03	Chutt	something's holding up each of the various worker pool threads
03:04	Dibblah	I see this fairly often - But I have a wierd setup (1 MBE, no cards, 2 slaves with 1 + 2 cards)
03:04	Chutt	heh
03:04	Chutt	it's really not suggested to run a backend without a card
03:04	Dibblah	Oh bugger.
03:05	Chutt	but, be good to get that fixed..
03:05	Dibblah	Right. I'll try and automate a backtrace (with symbols this time) next time this occurs.
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10:09	kvandivo	anyone else noticed that timestretch audio became stuttery sometime in the last week or so? (admittely, haven't tried cvs updates from overnight) I can enable timestretch by going to 1.05 and back down to 1.0 and it is still stuttery
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10:09	kvandivo	haven't went through all the cvs commits to see what might have caused it yet
10:10	laga_	timestretch audio? what's that? ;)
10:12	kvandivo	myth-dev mailing list archives are your friend http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/
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10:14	laga_	ok, thank you
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13:02	Chutt	wildgoose, was a bug when using blocking mode
13:03	Chutt	note the extra condition broadcast in the output loop
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13:05	thor_	Chutt, for mythfilldatabase, I'm thinking I'll just add a bool to skip all the update stuff, but add a flag --do_channel_updates that will make it keep doing them. Sound sensible?
13:08	Chutt	yup
13:09	thor_	k
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13:45	stoffel_	o_cee: yeah, removing the translations would make sense ;)
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14:38	o_cee	silly italian
14:41	beavis	o_cee, there are two strings missing in mythgallery*.ts, I'll add them
14:42	Chutt	o_cee, see my commit about mythvideo last night?
14:43	o_cee	Chutt, yeah, odd?
14:43	beavis	o_cee, should I send a separate patch for every language then?
14:43	o_cee	what was the patch about that was on the list?
14:43	o_cee	beavis, huh?
14:44	Chutt	yeah, i've not no fucking idea why it needs to be uncompressed
14:44	Chutt	but, translations don't seem to work everywhere they exist in mythvideo without it
14:44	o_cee	heh, i'll see if i can find anything in the qt docs later
14:45	o_cee	Re: [mythtv] [i18n][PATCH] mythvideo that one claims to fix it as well, will try to see what it does, hmm
14:46	Chutt	url?
14:47	Beirdo	Chutt: wonder how many computers you will get to confiscate :)
14:47	Chutt	none so far
14:47	o_cee	damn diff is not -u, can't read this crap.. uhm well reading it locally
14:48	o_cee	he's adding some stuff like qApp->installTranslator(&translator); i think
14:49	Chutt	i did that last night
14:49	Chutt	wasn't enough, it seemed
14:49	o_cee	ah k
14:49	o_cee	http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/103897?search_string=%5Bi18n%5D%5BPATCH%5D%20mythvideo;#103897
14:49	Chutt	still needed to run it uncompressed
14:49	Chutt	yeah, found it here
14:50	Chutt	there's a french update in there, but, i think i have everything else
14:50	Chutt	aside from that allocine.pl or whatnot update
14:51	o_cee	i'll ask him to rediff against cvs
14:52	Chutt	probably best to email directly, since he didn't respond to your first email on list :p
14:53	o_cee	yep :)
14:53	o_cee	i liked the response from the italian guy on bugzilla :P
14:54	Chutt	what was it?
14:54	o_cee	------- Additional Comments From francesco.difilippo@gmail.com 2005-01-26 15:02 -------
14:54	o_cee	'mythsetup' not include "Italy" for 'xmltv'
14:54	o_cee	well yeah, you said that already :P
14:55	Chutt	heh
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14:58	o_cee	hmm, from 6544
14:58	o_cee	# Total Space: 70,987 MB
14:58	o_cee	# Space Used: 73,747 MB
14:58	o_cee	# Space Free: -2,-760 MB
14:58	Beirdo	nice
14:58	o_cee	Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
14:58	o_cee	/dev/hda3 74G 69G 1,1G 99% /
14:58	o_cee	odd
15:01	orion2012	Anyone available to help me with a mythmusic(CVS) compilation error? And yes, I'm compiling against today's CVS mythtv.
15:01	o_cee	this will be intresting.
15:01	orion2012	sorry
15:01	orion2012	wrong chan
15:02	Chutt	what's the error?
15:02	orion2012	cddecoder.cpp: In member function `void CdDecoder::flush(bool)':
15:02	orion2012	cddecoder.cpp:74: error: could not convert `((((Decoder)this)->Decoder::output()->AudioOutput::_vptr.AudioOutput + 24u))(((Decoder)this)->Decoder::output(), ((CdDecoder)this)->CdDecoder::output_buf, samples, -0x000000001ll)' to `bool'
15:02	orion2012	cddecoder.cpp: In member function `virtual void CdDecoder::run()':
15:02	orion2012	cddecoder.cpp:219: error: 'class AudioOutput' has no member named 'Drain'
15:03	Chutt	you're not compiling against cvs mythtv
15:03	Chutt	very simple =)
15:03	beavis	confiscated ;)
15:03	orion2012	doh
15:03	o_cee	heheheh
15:03	Chutt	need to install it
15:03	Chutt	not just compile it
15:03	orion2012	I did
15:03	orion2012	using gentoo cvs-ebuilds
15:04	Chutt	heh
15:04	beavis	mythfrontend --version
15:04	Chutt	sounds like they're broken
15:04	orion2012	I rmmed the libs before I isntalled
15:04	Chutt	you're missing the updated header files, not the libs
15:04	orion2012	ah
15:04	Chutt	i really wish people would stop using those damn broken gentoo cvs ebuilds
15:04	beavis	what are you using Chutt?
15:05	o_cee	hahahahah
15:05	Chutt	uh, source?
15:05	o_cee	man cvs
15:05	beavis	which distribution?
15:05	Chutt	debian
15:05	Chutt	ubuntu for my tv box
15:05	beavis	:) is there a way to get the debian/ dir into cvs?
15:05	Chutt	no
15:06	Chutt	mdz doesn't like doing that, and i agree
15:06	beavis	I've fixed some little bugs in mdz's dir but there is no way to commit it to everybody
15:06	Chutt	you send it to mdz, and he incorporates it in the next version :p
15:06	mdz	beavis: you could send it to me
15:07	mdz	beavis: are you the guy who is distributing the cvs debs?
15:07	beavis	is there a way to put a diff for the cvs builds?
15:07	mdz	to be honest, I don't keep the packaging up to date with CVS; I update it when a release happens
15:08	beavis	mdz, that's what people miss on debian ;) no way to use myth with cvs
15:08	Chutt	you use it from source
15:08	orion2012	erm, how can I make sure everything from the older CVS checkout is positively gone?
15:08	Chutt	binary cvs packages are a sin against nature
15:08	mdz	I install cvs into/opt/mythtv or such for testing
15:08	Chutt	i thought about using that line last night when someone brought up auto*
15:09	beavis	mdz, I'm not distributing them, I just change the debian/ files and give the diff file to some people
15:09	Chutt	dopester, want jesper's patch in cvs, or wait?
15:10	mdz	beavis: I'm thinking about doing the packaging in arch
15:10	beavis	mdz, so what's about putting a diff file for cvs users to your repository
15:10	mdz	but I shudder to think what would happen if I tried to import mythtv CVS into arch, given what Chutt has done with the repository ;-)
15:11	Chutt	bad things
15:11	Chutt	bad things...
15:11	Chutt	hate losing history =)
15:13	mdz	beavis: if you want to maintain it, I could drop it in a directory on my web server or something
15:13	beavis	I've checked some of the packages with lintian, they're buggy now in cvs.
15:14	beavis	sure would be great mdz
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15:14	o_cee	Chutt, we'd need an updated themestrings.h before the next release as well :)
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15:16	Chutt	yea yea
15:16	Chutt	eventually
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15:16	o_cee	:)
15:16	beavis	mdz, why don't you want to have the debian files in CVS?
15:16	Chutt	i'll try to do it tonight
15:16	o_cee	great
15:18		* kvandivo updates his gentoo system to latest cvs without, amazingly enough, touching an ebuild.
15:18	mdz	beavis: because mythtv releases and package releases will be out of sync, don't want people to distribute CVS debs anyway, shipping a Debian diff when there's a debian/ dir in the upstream source is a pain, and the debian/ in CVS will have screwed up versioning
15:18	Chutt	<gasp>
15:18	Chutt	i didn't think it was possible!
15:20	beavis	mdz, I'm just building packages with a date string every day (0.16.20050126)
15:20	mdz	beavis: two different builds done on the same day will be different
15:21	mdz	even the source in CVS will have changed
15:21	beavis	then they just get a -1 after the version number
15:22	mdz	who is going to put the -1 there?
15:23	mdz	everyone who builds a deb from CVS?
15:23	mdz	I don't think they should all have commit access ;-)
15:23	beavis	I've created a script where dch uses a date string, if you try to build on the same day it just creates -1 after the date
15:23	mdz	that only works if you are the only one doing builds, and if you are the only one doing builds, there's no point in putting it in CVS
15:24	beavis	dch -v 0.16.20050126-1 cvs from $date
15:24	mdz	anyway, that was only one in a list of reasons
15:24	mdz	I know how to use dch, thanks
15:25	beavis	well so it's perhaps a good idea to put a diff to your rep only
15:25	mdz	I don't mind doing it, but I don't see why it matters whether it goes on my server or somewhere else
15:25	mdz	it just means that you'll need to wait for me to publish it before it's available
15:26	beavis	It's just difficult for debian users to use CVS builds
15:26	Chutt	tell em to use cvs directly
15:26	Chutt	i have no problems doing that
15:26	beavis	make && make install on debian?
15:27	Chutt	'course
15:27	beavis	so you're using /usr/local/ as $PREFIX then
15:27	Chutt	yup, but i could change that if i cared
15:28	Chutt	the uninstall target _does_ work
15:29	beavis	it's the only possible way to use /usr/local, /usr only could corrupt apt
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15:31	Chutt	how could it corrupt apt?
15:32	Dibblah	Anyone any idea when --only-keep-debug appeared in strip? Is it too recent to rely on?
15:33	beavis	it's the usual way to install non-apt packages with PREFIX set to /usr/local/
15:33	Chutt	of course, but there's nothing forcing you to.
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15:34	Dibblah	(Seems like it might be an interesting way to give everyone symbols)
15:35	Chutt	got to compile without opts
15:35	Chutt	as well
15:35	Chutt	can't just use symbols
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15:36	Dibblah	I'm not sure about "got to"... Unless you're using unit-at-a-time, only functions are optimised internally, therefore at least the stack trace should be good?
15:36	Chutt	nope
15:36	Dibblah	Okay.
15:36	Chutt	it inlines lots of things with optimizations on
15:37	Chutt	makes it really hard to figure out what's going on in gdb
15:37	Dibblah	This sounds like bad experience :)
15:37	Chutt	happens all the time
15:38	Dibblah	Oh well. Sounded like an easy win, too.
15:39	beavis	mdz, what'd be the best way to permit people to send patches to the debian/ dir just to always have a way to get cvs compatible debian/ files?
15:39	mdz	beavis: you could set up a cvs repository with just the debian/ dir in it, if you really want to
15:40	mdz	beavis: do you have people sending you patches?
15:40	mdz	(I don't)
15:40	Chutt	i wish i didn't, at times
15:40	Chutt	fixing other people's stuff isn't much fun
15:40	orion2012	K, nuked the headers, all is right with the world now, sorry for stupidity. But you're not confiscating my PC :)
15:40	Chutt	heh
15:40	mdz	Chutt: want to add all of debian/ to that list? ;-)
15:40	beavis	arpm packages are often changing
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15:41	Chutt	heh, no
15:41	mdz	beavis: the other problem is that the debian diff contains more than just the debian/ dir
15:41	Dibblah	Chutt: Thanks a lot for all your manual work on DVB, btw.
15:41	mdz	beavis: so it would require a separate branch
15:41	mdz	and branching in CVS _sucks_
15:42	beavis	mdz, I don't have people sending patches, I'm patching them now and distribute them if anyone needs them
15:43	beavis	mdz, yes cvs branching sucks. I'm the cvs admin in my team, I know all the questions by heart
15:45	Chutt	hrm
15:45	Chutt	cvs packages are evil, yet, i don't know if people fucking up their own compiles and complaining about it to the list is worse
15:46	Chutt	i mean, if you really don't know about the -d option to update, you kinda shouldn't be using cvs for everyday stuff
15:46	Dibblah	Less fun is the libmyth* linking against prefix/lib rather than the newly-built libs...
15:47	Chutt	it's not
15:47	Chutt	it's because some smart person thought that /usr/X11R6/lib should be a symlink to /usr/lib
15:47	Chutt	is that true on your box?
15:48	Dibblah	Nope.
15:48	Chutt	it shouldn't be linking against installed libs, then
15:48	Dibblah	Nope. I agree there.
15:49	Dibblah	Ugh. It's true in Gentoo, though. How much brokenness can one distro exhibit?
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15:51	Dibblah	Doh. Of course, you're right. Looking at the box where I remember seeing the problem is a better diagnostic than a different box.
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16:23	orion2012	Dibblah: Could you elaborate about Gentoo? Not trying to pick a fight or anything, just curious.
16:27	Beirdo	hehe. maybe in the -users channel would be a better venue for that
16:27	Beirdo	we are due for an argument anyways
16:27	orion2012	no really, not trying to argue, really just wondering
16:27	Chutt	a lot of it is the users
16:28	orion2012	Oh.
16:28	Chutt	and the brokenass cvs ebuild that all of them seem to insist on using
16:28		* orion2012 blushes
16:28	Beirdo	and for me another part of it is the insistance to make Linux look like FreeBSD
16:29	orion2012	Ok, last question then I'll take it to -users, what do you both use?
16:29	Chutt	debian, here
16:29	Beirdo	FC1 here
16:29	Beirdo	which has its own bevy of idiocy, I'll grant
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16:57	o_cee	thor, that mythfilldatabase update only affects dd still?
16:59	o_cee	looks like it. --help should say so at least
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17:31	Tommck	Is there an "FM" that I can "R" about the Myth development process?
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17:39	Tommck	ping
17:41	mikegrb	yes, the source
17:41	Tommck	the source code documents its process too?
17:41	Tommck	I'm talking about the life cycle of the software.. how it gets developed.. patched, etc.
17:41	mikegrb	cvs
17:41	mikegrb	logs
17:42	mikegrb	dev mailing list archives
17:42	Tommck	so, it's not documented then
17:42	Tommck	I'm not talking about the past and the history...
17:42	mikegrb	yes, it is, just not in an easily digestible form\
17:42	Tommck	I'm talking about the structure of the development process... who decides what software goes into the builds, etc.
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17:43	mikegrb	yes
17:43	mikegrb	you will find this in list archives
17:43	Tommck	oh..
17:43	Tommck	so, if someone tells me to RTFM when I'm talking about this, I can tell them to shove it? :)
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17:44	Beirdo	RTFM :)
17:44	Tommck	shove it! :)
17:44	Beirdo	there we go
17:44	Tommck	hehe
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17:45	Tommck	well... if I were to propose a change to mythfilldatabase, what should my first step be (I'm proposing I do the changes too)
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17:46	o_cee	mail -dev
17:47	Tommck	cool... mail the idea in... see what people say... (subscribe to the list first too)
17:47	o_cee	indeed. -commit as well..
17:47	Tommck	ok... cross-post or just cross-subscribe?
17:48	o_cee	sub
17:48	o_cee	-com is ro
17:48	o_cee	damn i'm not feeling well. need to get some sleep instead
17:48	Tommck	ahh.. ok
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17:50	dopester	chutt: wait on jespers patch.. i told him to make it just so we could get it out there but only part of it do i want the way it is..
17:51	dopester	i was going to seperate it into 2 pathces and submit what i wanted added.. the buffer changing code needs to be user definable and im not sure what a good default is since it depends on the ammount of EPG that needs processing..
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17:55	Chutt	Tommck, suggestions that come with patches receive much more consideration than those that don't.
17:55	Chutt	dopester, why's it need to be user defineable?
17:57	Tommck	Chutt - I hear you...
17:58	Tommck	I will be making an attempt at the patch too. just figured I'd get feedback on the idea also
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18:01	kurre2	hmm, any known bugs/features where the mythbackend goes into a loop with msg: BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]SCHEDULER_CHANGE[]:[]empty ?
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18:03		* Tommck is off to hack
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18:09	Chutt	kurre2, it's going to be fixed tonight.
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18:20	kurre2	ok, great
18:32	Chutt	anyone use mythvideo?
18:33	greem	not much, but some.
18:33	Chutt	and willing to test? =)
18:33	Chutt	i just went through and changed all the sql queries
18:33	Chutt	but don't really feel like testing it much
18:34	greem	hm, I'll just do a backup and then I'll be ready to try it
18:35	Chutt	it'll just be in cvs in a bit.
18:37	greem	okay, i'm ready :)
18:37	Chutt	naw, i broke it
18:37	Chutt	heh
18:39	greem	oh, well at least I got my database backed up :)
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19:01	synwave	hi
19:01	synwave	my mythtv setup suddently doesn't want to record audio anymore.
19:01	synwave	can anyone offer any advice as to where to look?
19:02	synwave	it plays audio from previously recorded programmes just fine
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19:07	synwave	hello?
19:07	synwave	my mic input works fine
19:07	synwave	but aplay /dev/dsp does not work
19:08	gr8nash	wrong channel
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19:09	synwave	um
19:09	dopester	chutt: buffer should be user definable because i bet 80% of the users don't need much more than 16k but if there is tons of data it could require something larger like a few megs
19:09	synwave	how is that the wrong channel?
19:10	Anduin	synwave - #mythtv-users is what he's trying to direct you to
19:10	Chutt	synwave, read the topic.
19:10	Chutt	dopester, it can't grow as necessary?
19:10	synwave	ahh
19:10	synwave	alright. thanks :)
19:11	dopester	chutt: thats one idea i was thinking of as well.. thats why i dont want it in there :)
19:11	dopester	i dont want to hemmmorage ram if there is no need to
19:12	Chutt	i'm opposed to unnecessary settings
19:12	thor_	heh
19:13	dopester	you should know i am too.. ive tried to make dvb as settingless as possible
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19:14	dopester	i guess i misspoke before.. the buffering still needs to be played with and it if has to be user definable a decent default chosen
19:14	Chutt	what's the buffer for?
19:15	dopester	buffering the epg data while processing it
19:15	Chutt	so, why's it have to have a size?
19:15	dopester	the buffer now holds 2 tables (8k) which if there is alot of guide it can be filled too fast
19:15	dopester	cause thats how the drivers are
19:15	Chutt	no, why aren't you simply dumping it into a vector or whatnot
19:15	dopester	i could add another thread to parse it and read it, but thats even crazier than just increasing the buffer a tad
19:15	Chutt	grow it automatically
19:16	dopester	the buffer is in the driver
19:16	dopester	once it hits myth it in qmaps
19:16	Chutt	so, what's the problem?
19:16	Chutt	read from the driver as you get it, and you're fine
19:16	dopester	if parsing the data takes longer than the read time of 2 packets you fill the drivers buffer
19:16	dopester	if the frequency of 2 tables is high you can fill it too quick
19:17	Chutt	heh
19:17	Chutt	ok
19:17	Chutt	you saw the most recent patch on the -dev list?
19:17	dopester	jespers stuff?
19:17	Chutt	no
19:17	Chutt	anders hanson
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19:17	dopester	let me get over there i got a new boss today at work so ive been on the phone since 3pm
19:18	dopester	holy crap -dev is getting as bad as -users
19:19	dopester	that patch is garbage
19:19	dopester	0x4E and 0x4F is current/next events only
19:19	dopester	you cant schedule from that
19:19	dopester	sure it looks nice in livetv but it serves no purpose so i ignore them
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19:22	dopester	taken care of.. :)
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20:17	dopester	chutt: is Nigels db schema issue as crazy as I think it is?
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20:41	ablyler	are there any known issues where when watching something on mythtv, the clock drifts?
20:42	ablyler	it is only happening when i watch live tv... i have not recorded any thing yet
20:42	ablyler	if I am on the menu, the clock stays where it should
20:42	ablyler	but as soon as I start to watch tv... it drifts at about .5 seconds a second
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21:34	Anduin	I haven't dug too deep into it yet but I think the scheduler is a broken a little, at least for channel recordings (this is the second time it has missed one, the first I though was a fluke)
21:35	Anduin	In both scenarios the scheduled start of the show was a minute or two past the hour.
21:37	Anduin	In both cases kicking the scheduler after it should have started recording has made it start.
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22:16	dopester	chutt: do you see any problems with removing the old useless dvb tables from the schema?
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22:17	Chutt	nope
22:19	dopester	k i thought they were all just whining for no reason :)
22:22	dopester	chutt: any issue with me putting all the si/psip table parsing debug in a new loglevel?
22:31	Chutt	nope
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22:42	dopester	wow 2 more networks are sending good psip today over yesterday
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22:46	Beirdo	they saw ya coming
22:46	dopester	naw psip mandate at tne end of the month
22:47	dopester	doug larrick eat my shorts :)
22:47	Beirdo	heh
22:48	Beirdo	Chutt: just a heads up, there's a guy mumbling about using autotool to replace qmake for mythtv :)
22:50	Beirdo	and surprise... he's a Gentoo dev, and I think the guy who's making the busted CVS ebuilds :)
22:51	dopester	all these retards are making gentoo just look completley broken.. grr.. you just have to know what you are doing.. :)
22:51	Beirdo	you tell that to Cardoe
22:51	dopester	libmpeg2 is a huge speed improvement
22:52	Beirdo	oh hell, I was gonna try that, forgot
22:52	Beirdo	thanks for the reminder :)
22:52	dopester	yeah im watching 1080i on my amd2000+ dev box with almost smooth video
22:52		gr8nash-home \| dopester.. how much of a difference with libmpeg2 do you see?
22:52	dopester	ffmpeg couldnt do more than what seemed like 4 frames at a time without pausing
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22:53		gr8nash-home \| how does libmpeg2 do and what are you specs?
22:54	Beirdo	uses more CPU here
22:54	dopester	amd2000+, 512mb ram, GeForce4 MX 440
22:54	Beirdo	was 19% without, 30% with
22:54	dopester	it might use more cpu i havent looked
22:54	dopester	it could do intelligent frame dropping or something
22:55		gr8nash-home \| you can play HD content with a 2000+
22:55	Beirdo	but I really don't need it for PVR-250 playback anyways
22:55	Beirdo	just thought I'd try it
22:56	dopester	no its not fast enough, but i get 5 seconds or so between glitches in video/audio with libmpeg2 but with ffmpeg it can't even play 1/2 second without it glitching
22:56		gr8nash-home \| impressive
22:57	dopester	cpu is pegged with both ffmpeg and libmpeg2 :)
22:57	Beirdo	I'll try again some other time with debug off (ie with optimizations)
22:57	dopester	so thats not much of a test
22:58	Beirdo	<Beirdo> Cardoe: well, convince Isaac to change, and I wish you luck
22:58	Beirdo	<Cardoe> +Beirdo: well I'm gonna write the patch
22:58	Beirdo	<Cardoe> +and then give it to him.
22:58	Beirdo	<Cardoe> +I pulled CVS locally and setup a CVS repository.
22:58	Beirdo	<Cardoe> +so I can make those changes.
22:58		gr8nash-home \| dang if lost wasnt going to record i would do the test on my HD system
22:58	Beirdo	what a nut
22:59	dopester	yep :)
22:59	Beirdo	<Cardoe> +Not forking... just so I can keep my changes clean.
22:59	dopester	i gotta figure out how to generate categories for atsc..
22:59	Beirdo	all sorts of nutcases
23:00		* gr8nash-home is excited to try libmpeg2
23:01	Chutt	heh
23:01	Chutt	that's funny
23:01	Chutt	no autojunk in myth
23:01	Beirdo	I know, you aren't a fan. :)
23:02	Chutt	if it didn't suck horribly, i wouldn't care
23:02	Beirdo	as I said to him earlier... Good luck convincing Isaac to abandon qmake for autotools
23:02	Beirdo	others have tried and failed
23:02	Chutt	there are _5_ versions of automake in debian unstable
23:02	dopester	is it really that hard to build myth?
23:03	Chutt	all incompatable with each other
23:03	Beirdo	I personally like the autotools for my own stuff, but I don't think it would mix well with the Qt environment in MythTV
23:03	Chutt	it's not even that
23:03	Beirdo	and yeah, they are all individually busted
23:03	Chutt	it's that each and every point release of autoconf and automake completely break things
23:03	Chutt	libtool's nasty
23:03	Snow-Man	libtool is nasty.
23:03	Beirdo	you kinda would have to pick one and stick with it, but qmake works fairly well, why change
23:04	Chutt	and they add almost a megabyte to the distribution
23:04	Beirdo	how true
23:04	Chutt	i don't have a problem if people move stuff from settings.pro to the configure script, though
23:04	Beirdo	Hey, it's your project, and what we have works. :)
23:05	Beirdo	qmake occasionally has issues too, but we survive
23:05	dopester	man atsc even with 1 day of guide is pretty cool.. :)
23:06	dopester	too bad its going to be all but impossible to do it in myth in 5 months
23:06	Beirdo	in the USA :) We'll see in Canada
23:06	Snow-Man	C++ interfaces are a pain in the ass anyway. :)
23:07	dopester	like they are going to make a custom run for all 200 people in canada who ar going to know about it
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23:07	Beirdo	hehe, you have a good point there