TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#mythtv:2005:01:24

---	Log	opened Mon Jan 24 00:00:14 2005
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01:23	Uberbot	I'm trying to recover from a borked db. Mythweb tells me: Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION:
01:23	Uberbot	None of the software has been upgraded.
01:23	Uberbot	Any ideas?
01:29	Beirdo	sigh
01:29		* Beirdo points at the topic
01:29	Uberbot	Doh! Sorry.
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01:36	Cardoe	seriously... this channel should move to #mythtv-dev if it's such an issue
01:37	Chutt	no, it shouldn't.
01:38	Chutt	why should i move my channel because of people that can't be bothered to read before asking off-topic questions?
01:39	Chutt	hell, check the docs on irc:
01:39	Chutt	http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-1.html#ss1.5
01:40	Chutt	that's the only place this channel's mentioned :p
01:43		* Cardoe shrugs.
01:43	Cardoe	I was just saying since it seems to be such a problem
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08:38	Napo	Hi all!
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10:21	o_cee	yikes, 43 commits over the weekend :)
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13:15	mchou	how do I go about compiling and linking myth against a specific library (libstdc++) version?
13:16	Dibblah	Woah. Time travel.
13:16	mchou	Dibblah: yeah :)
13:16	mchou	found out my compile is still screwed up.
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13:23	o_cee	Chutt, want me to apply "[mythtv] [i18n][PATCH] mythvideo"? was waiting for geckofiend to do it but he hasn't been around for a while? don't really use mythvideo so i haven't tried it
13:24	Chutt	sure
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13:26	o_cee	bah, wasn't -u.. will have a look at it when it gets back.
13:27	o_cee	do you have any good suggestion for the translate category thingie? with the list being populated with translated strings?
13:29	Chutt	not really
13:29	Chutt	i don't really like it being in themestrings, since it's going to be a fairly static set of categories
13:30	o_cee	yeah just thought it'd be a nice way of keeping them synced, since the color defines are in the xml's.
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14:31	Chutt	heh
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14:32	rkulagow__	what could possibly be so amusing that it warrants a "heh"?
14:33	Chutt	trying to figure out the best way to handle this mythmusic audio patch
14:34	rkulagow__	ah
14:34	Chutt	oh, and videos of katamari damacy 2 at ign.com =)
14:35	rkulagow__	is "katamari damacy 2" supposed to mean something or did you cat walk across your keyboard?
14:35	Chutt	sequel to a fun little game
14:35	rkulagow__	ah
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14:42	Chutt	wildgoose, is the blocking variable ever initialized?
14:49	wswanson	is there an lxr or similar for the mythweb codebase in CVS?
14:49	Chutt	no.
14:50	wswanson	would be nice. ;)
14:51	wswanson	I would be happy to turn one up -- any chance of rsync d/l access to the CVS tree?
14:51	wswanson	[for all of myth, obviously, not just the mythweb tree]
14:51	Chutt	i could set it up if people really wanted it
14:51	Chutt	don't really see the need, though
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14:52	wswanson	I would just find the search func handy more than anything... easier to get familiar with the codebase
14:55	Chutt	grep :p
14:55	wswanson	:)
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15:18	beavis	what's the current CVs DBSchemaVer? 1062?
15:18	Chutt	something like that
15:29	Wildgoose	chutt: just going to check now
15:32	Wildgoose	Chutt: oops, nope, blocking is never initialised... Luckily it's explicitly set in the code (I think). It's not something I broke mind, but yeah, I should have spotted that. Nice catch
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15:43	Chutt	it's never set anywhere that i can see =)
15:49	Dibblah	I'm starting to look at the causes of my issues with the MySQL query cache, just in case anyone else has seen a problem with it.
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16:25	[Rui]	hi, I have a "slowness" doubt. I already read that my cpu is too crappy for live tv, but ... should the UI be _so_slow_ on the music part?
16:25	[Rui]	or dvd playing?
16:25	[Rui]	or even setting preferences...
16:26	KillerBunny	No.
16:26	Chutt	yes.
16:26	KillerBunny	I have a 1ghz and thats fine.
16:27	[Rui]	well, even being 750MHz doesn't really explain such slowness
16:27	Chutt	buy a real computer
16:27	KillerBunny	I think that should be more then fine.
16:27	Chutt	read the topic of an irc channel before babbling about off topic crap
16:27	KillerBunny	For play movies too.
16:28	[Rui]	live tv I understand, but the UI?
16:28	KillerBunny	Its not like this chan i super active right now Chutt.
16:28	Chutt	ui's full of alpha blending
16:28	[Rui]	I'm thinking it could be a problem with the version supplied at atrpms
16:28	Chutt	if your computer sucks
16:28	Chutt	it'll be slow.
16:28	Chutt	killerbunny, so?
16:28	KillerBunny	So, if nobody is talking ontopic, who is he bothering?
16:28	Chutt	me.
16:29	[Rui]	Chutt: well, sorry for not being on topic, I really didn't notice the /topic
16:29	Chutt	why didn't you?
16:29	KillerBunny	Or do you wanna pull an Astrix madhouse on him ?
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16:31	[Rui]	Chutt: well, you have a pretty good attitude, actually, that's what I'd expect from an user :) I'll just shut up an go th -users anyway.
16:31	[Rui]	KillerBunny: thanks anyway.
16:31	Wildgoose	Chutt:hmm, ok, I need to look closer at the code on the blocking thing. I am sure it was setting the blocking stuff somewhere - it must be doing it somewhere or else it would be out of control right now... Wierd
16:32	Chutt	it's not setting it anywhere
16:32	Wildgoose	I agree I can't see that either...
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16:32	Wildgoose	I'm sure this is something that I looked into before when I was tracing the code...
16:32	Wildgoose	Can't recollect now...
16:33	Wildgoose	Guess we better make it default to blocking then!
16:33	Chutt	heh
16:33	Chutt	probably =)
16:33	Chutt	though, the old way was non-blocking
16:33	Chutt	drop extra stuff
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16:34	Wildgoose	Hmm, could do that as well
16:34	Chutt	for tv, at least
16:34	Chutt	music's blocking
16:34	Wildgoose	I think I need blocking for music yeah
16:34	Chutt	you do, it decodes as fast as it can otherwise
16:34	Chutt	tv's decoded as needed
16:35	Wildgoose	In an older version of the code that I am looking at I had a output->SetBlocking(true) in playbackbox.cpp
16:35	Chutt	so, i'll default it to non-blocking, then set it to blocking in music?
16:35	Wildgoose	in the play function. But I had it commented out, which suggests that I thought it was redundant...
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16:36	Wildgoose	Yeah, well I haven't tested this, but looks like in music the play function creates the AudioOutput object
16:36	Chutt	yup
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16:36	Chutt	did you ever test gapless playback?
16:36	Wildgoose	In here, please add a output->SetBlocking line
16:37	Wildgoose	Nope, but it was worrying me and that's why I had played around a bit with the function to get the data block in the audio output loop
16:38	Chutt	i'll revert things if that's broken :p
16:38	Chutt	very important =)
16:38	Wildgoose	I've been up for quite a few late nights recently so would have to look closer to remind myself! However, gapless playback is high on my priority list!
16:38	Chutt	i have the mythtv stuff all in my local tree, didn't get to the music patch last night
16:38	Wildgoose	Cool. Thanks
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16:39	Wildgoose	At the moment there is only one volume control
16:40	Wildgoose	Do you want seperate volume controls for music and tv re-implemented?
16:40	Chutt	probably
16:40	Wildgoose	I was going to do it, then I decided I actually quite liked it the current way
16:40	Chutt	volume control really should be completely separate from the audio class
16:40	Wildgoose	The point is that I turn down the tv low, then flick to some music which also should be quiet
16:40	Chutt	ie, you shouldn't have to _have_ something playing to adjust the volume
16:40	Wildgoose	Hmm, good point
16:41	Wildgoose	I think we are ok on the point here though?
16:41	Chutt	no
16:41	Wildgoose	Really. Hang on let me look again
16:41	Chutt	since you need to setup an audiooutput class to get volume control
16:41	Chutt	like, with the pvr-350
16:41	Wildgoose	Well, yes.
16:41	Chutt	doesn't need to play any audio, but needs to make a whole audiooutput class just for that
16:41	Wildgoose	But how does the pvt work
16:41	Wildgoose	hmm
16:42	Chutt	and the audiooutput class isn't always around, so you'd have to conditionally create one elsewhere
16:42	Wildgoose	how does the pvr have audio piped to it?
16:42	Wildgoose	All in the mpeg stream?
16:42	Chutt	generally people use the audio out of the pvr-350 to your soundcard's line in
16:42	Chutt	and use the soundcard as a passthrough
16:42	Wildgoose	hmm
16:42	Chutt	so volume control works, other stuff can be played, etc
16:43	Wildgoose	I must admit I hadn't thought of that case when thinking the current audio situation
16:43	Chutt	i'm just saying that it'd be slightly better to have a volume control class always available as a singleton or something
16:43	Wildgoose	I figured that you really wanted to tie the audio output device together with the volume control so that you didn't have to set both items up seperately
16:43	Wildgoose	I think we could remodel the current code to make that work?
16:43	Chutt	no
16:43	Chutt	i don't think so :p
16:44	Chutt	about the downmixing stuff
16:44	Wildgoose	Well by that I mean we could split the classes out
16:44	Chutt	oh, yeah, splitting it may work
16:44	Wildgoose	If you have any ideas then please drop me a mail. I will have a think in the meantime
16:45	Wildgoose	It would be nice to have a closer correlation between volume and output device though
16:45	Chutt	why?
16:45	Chutt	they're separate tasks
16:45	Chutt	volume's a global option
16:45	Chutt	should be able to hit the mute button on the menu, without anything playing
16:46	Chutt	and have stuff be muted whenever you start playing
16:46	Wildgoose	Not always. For the software audio mixers you have to emulate it by controlling the output signal itself, eg jack, arts, esd
16:46	Chutt	i'd argue that those are broken.
16:46	Wildgoose	Some audio cards don't have a volume control either
16:47	Chutt	i don't especially care about corner cases like that
16:47	Chutt	if it breaks what _should_ work
16:47	Wildgoose	It's not so rare actually.
16:47	Chutt	with the current model, you can't hit mute on the menu
16:47	Wildgoose	My expensive pro audio card has no master volume control
16:47	Chutt	and have it mute everything
16:47	Chutt	volume should be global, not tied to what you're playing
16:48	Wildgoose	Don't disagree there
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16:48	Wildgoose	It's a tricky one. There are a few cards like the PVR where we need the volume external, and some output devices where we need software emulation. Tricky
16:49	Chutt	not really
16:49	Wildgoose	Go on..
16:49	Chutt	singleton volumecontrol class that stores state
16:49	Chutt	emits signals whenever things change
16:49	Chutt	audio output classes connect to those, do the appropriate thing if they exist
16:49	Wildgoose	Can we make that tie into the audio output class so that it can do software emulation where necessary?
16:49	Chutt	else they just read the state on init
16:49	Chutt	it's simple
16:49	Wildgoose	Hmm, yes, that would work
16:50	Wildgoose	Do we even need the signals?
16:50	Chutt	yes
16:50	Wildgoose	I guess so that the gui can flash up status messages
16:50	Chutt	unless you want things to poll
16:51	Wildgoose	OK, here is a design
16:51	Wildgoose	Volume control a singleton with signals, that is basically a very small class wrapper around a couple of variables like "Mute" and "VolumeLevel"
16:52	Wildgoose	(Do we need left and right volume...?)
16:52	Chutt	probably should have it in there
16:52	Wildgoose	The output code though stays as is because some devices want/need software emulation
16:52	Wildgoose	However, how do we do the PVR?
16:52	Chutt	same as it's currently doing it
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16:53	Chutt	anyway, that's easy enough
16:53	Wildgoose	You would still need to fire up an audio output object of the correct type to get it to actually do anything
16:53	Wildgoose	But I think this is still ok
16:53	Chutt	i really want a way to downmix multichannel audio into whatever the device is currently using, though
16:53	Wildgoose	So the basic change really is to abstract the volume control values, but leave the code as is. Nice
16:53	Chutt	right.
16:53	Wildgoose	OK, lets talk downmixing
16:54	Wildgoose	Got a baby crying though... Hang on
16:54	Chutt	heh
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16:59	Chutt	just - dts audio cds, multi-channel audio. oss audio - 2 channel. no way to handle that right now =)
16:59	Chutt	the decoder shouldn't have to downmix
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17:05	Anduin	Does anyone know if someone plans to fix Titiblah before .17?
17:05	Chutt	what's busted with it?
17:05	Chutt	i haven't really heard from geckofiend recently
17:05	Anduin	Chutt - just display issues on some screens
17:05	Anduin	some things are clipped
17:05	Chutt	ah
17:06	Chutt	want to fix it?
17:06	Anduin	if he isn't, yes
17:06	Chutt	oh, does my pushl/popl i added to soundtouch work for you?
17:06	Chutt	i wouldn't count on him fixing it, since i don't know what he's doing =)
17:06	Anduin	yeah, you didn't add them exactly where I did though (and I just used push/pop)
17:07	Chutt	heh
17:07	Anduin	yeah last time I talked to him he wasn't even using it so it wasn't really a priority for him
17:07	Chutt	ah
17:07	Chutt	my biggest annoyance is the clipped text on the main menus
17:07	Chutt	and some stuff on the music playback screen
17:08	Anduin	ah, see, I'd never get to the music screens, but I'll work up a patch to fix what I can
17:08	Chutt	cool.
17:08	Wildgoose	Chutt: I think I am missing something. How can we downmix if we dont decode the audio to pcm?
17:08	Chutt	you've got 2 weeks
17:08	Chutt	wildgoose, it'd be pcm
17:08	Chutt	just, 6 channels
17:09	Wildgoose	So you just want something like the resampler
17:09	Wildgoose	Which takes channels in, channels out and figures out the correct thing?
17:09	Chutt	yup
17:09	Chutt	just automatic to handle whatever's sent in
17:09	Wildgoose	OK, quite straightforward
17:09	Chutt	yup
17:10	Wildgoose	I'll trade you... If you can write the volume control singleton wrapper (because I haven't played with slots yet), then I will adjust the rest of the audio code to use it, and add in the downmixing
17:10	Chutt	ah, well, it might be a bit :p
17:11	Wildgoose	I'm thinking the singleton should only be 30 lines of code or so
17:11	Chutt	yeah
17:11	Wildgoose	Not a problem, I would be shooting for post next release for my stuff. Small baby is taking upa fair bit of time right now...
17:11	Wildgoose	Serious coding is probably off for 3 weeks or so...
17:12	Chutt	heh
17:12	Chutt	np
17:12	Chutt	i'm planning on 0.17 in two weeks.
17:12	Wildgoose	agree. I would prefer to go with what we have got right now, and change it for post 0.17
17:13	Chutt	ok
17:13	Wildgoose	By the way, the easiest thing is to assume standard layout for a 6 channel disk and downmix based on that standard layout. I forget now, but I think it's, front left/right, rear left/right, then center/bass
17:13	Chutt	probably
17:13	Wildgoose	However, some minor codecs do it a different way (I think)
17:14	Wildgoose	I was watching something about this on the mplayer list (where I would also propose to steal this very code from...)
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17:15	rkulagow__	chutt: you see that signal stregth patch DTK posted to -dev?
17:15	Wildgoose	On a different note. I'm still getting minor jitter on my video output. I have video frame timing enabled as well
17:15	Chutt	yeah
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17:16	Wildgoose	I have a wild guess that since the previous jitter was bad timestamps, that this might be something funny occuring, say, on P frames
17:16	Wildgoose	B
17:16	Wildgoose	Any thoughts? (Bearing in mind complete lack of debugging info...)
17:16	Chutt	nope =)
17:17	Chutt	things are fine, here
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17:17	Wildgoose	Hmm, it's not bad in general, but just the odd jitter here and there. It hasn't been perfect since about oct/nov last year
17:18	Wildgoose	OK, will debug a little and report back. Just a note that it's happening though...
17:25	o_cee	is there any way to determine, after a sql select has been run, _wich_ fields that didn't match the query? that's not possible right? you'd have to do em all individually in that case?
17:29	gr8nash	Quick note and ill get outta the way.. I dont know if mythnews comes with the standard RSS feeds setup, but i always add slashdots RSS feed to my boxes.. and maybe it would be neat to have it as a default.
17:29	Anduin	Chutt - would it be ok if I extended the container tag to support an area attribute? If found all all contained positions would be assumed to be relative.
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17:30	o_cee	Chutt, for output to the console (mythfilldatabase) should .utf8() or .local8bit() be used? don't understand the difference
17:30	Chutt	anduin, sure
17:31	Chutt	o_cee, local8bit
17:31	o_cee	Chutt, ok thanks
17:31	Chutt	lotta stuff doesn't handle utf8 out
17:31	o_cee	okay
17:34	Dibblah	Chutt: Do you want a patch that converts all of the pthread_mutex* usage to QT, if it's as easy as it looks like it should be?
17:35	Dibblah	All == the easy targets, anyway.
17:35	Dibblah	(Post 0.17)
17:36	Chutt	sure
17:36	Dibblah	Any pitfalls?
17:36	Chutt	not that i know of
17:36	Chutt	maybe the rwlocks in the ringbuffer
17:36	Dibblah	Cool. An easy project, then.
17:37	Chutt	yup
17:37	Chutt	harder to replace all the actual threads, though
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17:37	Dibblah	I take it you'd prefer I leave the external imports?
17:38	Dibblah	(libav, etc
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17:56	Chutt	yup, don't touch those =)
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18:32	shadash	can anybody help me to understand why nuvexport isn't included in the main mythtv tree? Also is there a better myth module for burning DVD with menus?
18:32	shadash	sorry wrong channel
18:38	kvandivo	that was strange.. 6544 just told me i didn't have any shows scheduled for recording. a backend restart seemed to bring it back to its senses
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18:51	Anduin	I had a little blip with the scheduler last night as well, didn't require a be reset though (just a useless "schedule has changed" notification)
18:52	shadash	Is there a reason NUV2DISC and/or Mythburn or something like that aren't included in the main Myth tree?
18:53	shadash	I was wondering how development felt on this subject
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19:07	greem	Don't know if this is the right place, but just wanted to say that there's an error in current CVS of siscan.cpp. Feels like development is the right place, though :)
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23:13	thor_	dopester, you still here?
23:16	dopester	yeahim here
23:19	thor_	re-redoing Air2PC stuff ... how long should it take to find channels on an existing transport scan ?
23:20	dopester	seconds
23:20	dopester	you got one of those cards?
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23:20	dopester	brb man
23:21	thor_	yup, weird
23:21	dopester	is it hanging on a specific channel?
23:21	thor_	I dunno, should I be looking at ./setup console output ?
23:22	dopester	yeah id try that
23:22	thor_	hmmm ... other box ... irc client ....
23:22	laroth	I had a problem where it would hang when I scanned when I was running the setup via VNC.
23:22	laroth	Locally it worked fine.
23:23	dopester	i run it over remoteX all the time
23:24	laroth	hmm. As far as I know that was the only difference.
23:24	dopester	really odd
23:25	thor_	hmmm ... I had something inadvertently set as DVB in the transport
23:26	thor_	weird though, it still said "ATSC"
23:26	thor_	seems to have solved it
23:26	jams	heh i need to get around to setting up my air2pc again
23:29	dopester	yeah i love mine :)
23:31	thor_	yeah, tha's a bug ... go into the channel editer, go to advanced, select an atsc channel ("ATSC Channel xx"), and set it DVB (Standard: DVB) in the ensuing dialog. When you go back, it will still show in the DVB Transport editor as "ATSC Channel xx"
23:31	thor_	well, a bugglet
23:32	dopester	could be some case crap in the db i bet
23:34	dopester	thor_: how old is your DB?
23:34	thor_	about 15 minutes
23:34	thor_	:-)
23:35	dopester	k wasn't sure if you had upgraded or anything like that
23:36	thor_	cvs of about mid-day
23:36	thor_	no patches
23:37	dopester	i'll dig into that
23:37	dopester	add it to the list of crap..
23:37	thor_	heh
23:37	dopester	when did you get a card?
23:38	thor_	last week some time
23:40	dopester	ahh so its a new toy :)
23:40	thor_	yup
23:42	dopester	i guess you haven't gotten it all the way working yet?
23:42	thor_	I've got it working, just backing up and trying to do a few things properly
23:43	streamtrade	I have a card that appears to work but I cannot get any hdtv (ota) where I am
23:43	dopester	an air2pc you mean?
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23:44	streamtrade	no, a pchdtv with rabbit ears
23:44	thor_	streamtrade, it's all about the antenna
23:44	streamtrade	its also location
23:44	dopester	i have 2 uhf yagiis on my roof
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23:44	streamtrade	where I live is the "boonies" lots of mountains and trees, even a big antenna no help
23:45	dopester	how far are you from teh transmitters?
23:45	thor_	http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00006FXR9/qid=1106628292/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/103-4458450-6615050?v=glance&s=electronics&n=507846
23:45	thor_	the reviews are true
23:45	streamtrade	30-50 miles I think
23:45	thor_	(at least from my experience)
23:46	dopester	streamtrade: you try a rooftop directional yagii?
23:46	streamtrade	dopester: not yet but I have talked to installers and they all say no signal here
23:47	streamtrade	This antenaas looked good too http://www.hdtvantennas.net/
23:47	dopester	thor: let me know if you get any EIT (Over the air Guide)
23:47	thor_	ah, OK ... will do
23:48	thor_	should just be in the OSD ?
23:48	dopester	some stations arent sending anything yet.. pbs stations seem to be sending good guide
23:48	dopester	yeah
23:49	dopester	it starts collecting when you tune to the station.. so if the DB is blank it might take a few minutes to pop in
23:50	streamtrade	I am having issues with latest cvs and length of recording (when I playback and ff the length resets itself). Is this a known issue or should I track it down?
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