TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#mythtv:2004:03:29

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00:48	dopester	if anyone is interested i just submitted a patch to add basic HH motor support for dvb-s cards.
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02:12	billytwowilly	\| will mythtv 0.15 utilize labs.zap2it.com?
02:16	anduin	the way tv_gran_na_dd is doing seems hard for it not to. Though what it does with the info is a better question.
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02:34	hadees	what is labs.zap2it.com
02:38	billytwowilly	\| zap2it.com is the website that xmltv scrapes to get listings.
02:38	billytwowilly	\| labs.zap2it.com provides much better info if you subscribe (for free)
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02:40	billytwowilly	\| there was a discussion on the dev mailing list, but it didn't look like it went anywhere.
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06:55	kaaspad	hi all
06:55	kaaspad	I'm running myth on via epiam, I have a flyvideo card so I'm doing the encode in software
06:56	kaaspad	for some reason I'm getting a "prebuffereing pause" output, and the video/audio is very jumpy
06:56	kaaspad	anyone know anything about this
06:57	dja	kaaspad: see the topic :-)
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11:03	PDani	hi
11:03	PDani	chopin:~# /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend
11:03	PDani	QDateTime::fromString: Parameter out of range
11:03	PDani	Grabbing XMLTV data using tv_grab_hu is not verified as working.
11:03	PDani	QDateTime::fromString: Parameter out of range
11:03	PDani	any idea?
11:05	stoffel_	do you get any listings PDani? cause that error/warning is printed rather often.
11:05	Chutt	you have to add tv_grab_hu to the source so it knows how to deal with it
11:06	PDani	Chutt: so i must recompile the whole stuff?
11:06	PDani	that's sucks
11:06	PDani	hm
11:06	PDani	i've an idea
11:06	stoffel_	PDani: you can also run tv_grab_hu by hand. and after that run mythfilldatabase by hand
11:07	stoffel_	by hand = manually ;)
11:07	PDani	rename tv_grab_hu - for example - to tv_grab_de
11:07	PDani	and i'll use tv_grab_de
11:08	Chutt	that won't work
11:08	Chutt	obviously.
11:08	kvandivo	i'm sure that will have a 100% chance of not having any bizarre side effects
11:08	stoffel_	kvandivo: not?
11:09	Chutt	since the people writing the xmltv grabbers don't have a standard way of doing command line args.
11:09	Chutt	so each grabber needs custom code for it to work in mythtv.
11:12	PDani	so
11:12	PDani	if i modify the tv_grab_de to tv_grab_hu in the database, what should i do then?
11:13	Chutt	you can't do that
11:13	Chutt	didn't you just read what i wrote?
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11:15	PDani	Chutt: so, if i'm hungarian, i can't use this stuff without hacking?
11:15		* stoffel_ wonders what people find wrong with calling $my_listings_grabber_script and mythfilldatabase manually
11:15	Chutt	ye
11:15	PDani	f*ck...
11:15	Chutt	since you're in the developer's channel, i would assume you could modify the code as appropriate
11:16	PDani	i tried to compile from source, but there was an error, so i couldn't, and i installed it from .deb
11:16	PDani	but i tried the cvs
11:17	PDani	i'll try the stable
11:18	anduin	if you can't compile the cvs version odds are good you won't be able to compile the release version
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11:28	rkulagow	fucking sourceforge mailing list archives are borked again.
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11:50	bitbyte	rkulagow, did you see that the pvr250 oem card on z-buy is down to 81 now? Seems to be dropping 2 dollars a day.
11:53	rkulagow	bitbyte: at this point i have so many PVR type cards i don't even have PCI slots to put them into.
11:53	Chutt	heh
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11:54	rkulagow	but then again, it helps, because i've got spares. built a box for a buddy and had an extra card for him to see how useful having two cards is over having one. you know, "the first taste is free, now pay up."
11:55	Chutt	wish my mini-itx had a second slot
11:55	mikegrb	heh
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11:57	rkulagow	anyone here using the MCE USB receiver / remote? (lirc archives are down, or i'd check there first). newegg warns that the remote isn't universal, but i'm not sure that implies that the receiver is locked to the remote (sort of like the Hauppauge's and their RC-5)
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11:59	bitbyte	rkulagow,i tohught you said you ordered one of these?
12:00	rkulagow	the IR receiver? nope, not me.
12:00	bitbyte	nono, the 250mce card
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12:00	rkulagow	yes, i've got one. got it while it was still $69, and got here in about 3 days or so.
12:01	bitbyte	ah ok, so i read a thread saying how to get them going, did you get it going in Myth? or haven't you tried yet?
12:02	bitbyte	there are a few diff versions of the OEM cards and I'm hesitant because they don't really stipulate which one
12:02	rkulagow	haven't tried yet. 99% sure you need ivtv 0.10.pre1 and will need to specify the cardlist= (or something like that) parameter because the card is mis-detected
12:02	bitbyte	ya, i found a thread telling how to fix that if you'd like ot see it. see if it coincides with what you've seen
12:03	bitbyte	you actually go manually edit something
12:03	rkulagow	are you talking about that source-level patch? i think that's only for 0.1.9...
12:03	bitbyte	no
12:03	bitbyte	gimme a few
12:04	rkulagow	ok, haven't really had the cycles to spend on it, so i don't want to steer you wrong.
12:04	bitbyte	i'llmsg it to you
12:05	bitbyte	there ya go
12:06	rkulagow	ok, i got it.
12:07	rkulagow	right, it looks like the patch is for 0.1.9; 0.1.10 already has this and you need to modify modules.conf
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12:39	bitbyte	ah
12:39	bitbyte	so as far as you know it should be safe to purchase one of these and have it work?
12:39	bitbyte	there's so little info about it out there
12:41	rkulagow	i'll have some testing cycles i can do later today.
12:42	rkulagow	right now trying to get the xbox to run mythtv. bbl.
12:42	bitbyte	awesome, thanks man
12:43	bitbyte	once i get the main box going, i plan on doing an XBox too
12:47	kvandivo	they are ok.. their speed has dropped over the past few months as the myth binary has gotten larger, though
12:47	kvandivo	the xbox is sitting so close to the edge of having to swap that every little bit makes a diff
12:48	kvandivo	now, anytime that a box pops up (commercial, etc) the hd goes into swap mode, the video stutters, and a few seconds later i get the box
12:48		* mikegrb swaps kvandivo for a 24 year old brunette named heidi
12:48	kvandivo	well now.. that was a no brainer
12:49	bitbyte	no kidding
12:49	bitbyte	hehe
12:50	bitbyte	someone in here said a memory upgrade on the xbox is prettymuch essential
12:50	mikegrb	nah
12:50	mikegrb	wouldn't hurt though
12:50	bitbyte	chutt, what mini-itx are you running?
12:52	Chutt	m10j
12:52	Chutt	err, m10k
12:53	bitbyte	ahh, that sthe 1ghz one right?
12:53	bitbyte	that'd eb the one i would want. how do you like it?
12:54	Chutt	slow as shit
12:54	Chutt	loud cpu fan
12:54	bitbyte	oh really?
12:54	bitbyte	what size is the fan?
12:54	Chutt	40mm
12:54	bitbyte	ah
12:54	bitbyte	so a SilenX fan is out of the question
12:54	bitbyte	i just stuck some of those on my box, cant even hear them
12:55	bitbyte	hold em up to your ear, all you hear is air against your ear
12:56	bitbyte	they are just a tad pricey
12:56	Chutt	right
12:56	Chutt	for a tiny little fan like that to do anything, it's gotta move fast
12:56	Chutt	meaning, very loud
12:56	bitbyte	but for the Myth box it's worthwhile
12:56	bitbyte	ya
12:56	bitbyte	is there room to adapt a 60 onto it?
12:57	Chutt	maybe
12:57	Chutt	would depend on your case
12:57	bitbyte	true
12:58	bitbyte	and it's slow you say? i thought that one had mpeg decoders onboard. no ones gottem them working yet in linux?
12:59	o_cee	why not wait for the Epia 1ghz?
12:59	Chutt	it is a 1ghz machine.
12:59	o_cee	epia = fanless
12:59	o_cee	or is that eden
12:59	o_cee	:)
12:59	Chutt	eden
13:00	o_cee	heh, k
13:00	Chutt	and those are slower than the nehemiah stuff, iirc
13:00	o_cee	yeah, but it'll be intresting to see how they'd work as a frontend
13:00	o_cee	would it be possible to add containers inside containers in the osd themes? to make it possible to have different fademovements?
13:01	bitbyte	i have a c3 nehemia2 mATX mobo with mpeg decoders on it.
13:06	o_cee	Chutt: you saw http://trekotor.se/mythtv/idea2b.png ? I tried it and wasn't happy with it at all, but i still would like the timeline thingie.. you never have time to read the description while switching channels really. but, it would be nice to have another osdtype with only the desc that you can show manually.. anyway, i'm back to square one ;)
13:08	Chutt	heh
13:08	Chutt	what didn't you like about that?
13:08	o_cee	too much text
13:09	o_cee	most of the time the title is enough
13:09	Chutt	ah
13:09	o_cee	but
13:09	o_cee	it would be nice to get up the desc without the epg
13:11	o_cee	but what do you think about the progressbar?
13:11	Chutt	small
13:11	Chutt	i dunno
13:11	Chutt	i really don't like that kind of progress bar
13:12	Chutt	what happens when you pause it and the next program starts?
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13:16	stoffel	why not split the progress bar in two. the upper half to show what o_cee wants and in the lower half to display the buffer status?
13:17	Chutt	stoffel, it's best to not confuse things too much with too much information at one time
13:17	o_cee	i don't mean to remove the buffer info when pausing
13:18	stoffel	agreed, but you remember my/the question/request to display the remaining time of a show
13:18	Chutt	make an osd theme that shows the start/end time of the show
13:18	Chutt	you can do that with the current code :p
13:18	o_cee	ah yeah but the other timebar from sagetv, chutt convinced me would be hard to do good
13:19	o_cee	Chutt: yeah sure but then you need to compare start/end with current time to determine if it just started or not
13:19	Chutt	i think most people can read a clock
13:19	stoffel	i prefer pictures ;) what about something clock-like that starts empty and is changing color as time progresses?
13:20	o_cee	Chutt: you can't say that it's bad design, a small timebar like that. i've got the idea from "real" sattelite boxes
13:20	stoffel	err, s/clock-like/pie-chart like
13:20	Chutt	stealing ui ideas :p
13:20	o_cee	heh
13:21	o_cee	i got answer from sage, they couldn't let me steal their osd ;)
13:21	o_cee	i think it's a great idea anyway
13:21	Chutt	they can't stop you, really, if you do the graphics yourself
13:21	o_cee	guess not
13:22	o_cee	btw chris fixed that bug 3 on my list
13:25	o_cee	what are you up to anyway? been coding anything lately+
13:25	Chutt	a little
13:25	Chutt	mostly been reading
13:25	Chutt	playing some games
13:25	Chutt	working on my basement
13:26	Chutt	waiting for someone to give me money
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13:26	stoffel	how does the job search go?
13:27	Chutt	i should have an offer in the next couple weeks
13:27	stoffel	ms? ;)
13:27	Chutt	assuming i don't bomb an interview
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13:28	Chutt	naw, i've decided i don't want to move to washington
13:28	o_c	stupid connection
13:28	o_c	i went away after you wanting someone to give you money :)
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13:28	Chutt	going out to 2 companies end of this week, beginning of next
13:28	o_c	nice
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13:28	o_cee	nearby?
13:29	Chutt	could be going out to a few more, but i don't like spending other people's money
13:29	Chutt	one's pretty close
13:29	o_cee	never fun having to move
13:29	Chutt	nope
13:30	stoffel	tele-working isn't en-vogue anymore?
13:30	o_cee	why was the log module never activated? or am i totally off here?
13:31	Chutt	apparently not
13:31	o_cee	got my new surround speakers today: http://hembiobutiken.se/images/prod/107580_2.jpg
13:32	Chutt	i never got around to committing the log module
13:32	o_cee	ok, good ;)
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14:00	rkulagow	xbox price drop to $149.
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14:26	bitbyte	ya i saw that this morning on /.
14:26	bitbyte	been to RedHAt for your interview yet Chutt?
14:26	Chutt	friday
14:27	bitbyte	where is that at anyhow?
14:27	Chutt	boston
14:28	bitbyte	i use to be an op in #redhat on efnet... seems like a lifetime ago
14:28	bitbyte	boston, that place is really expensive
14:28	bitbyte	one of the guys that used to work for me moved there
14:28	bitbyte	after a couple of years he left
14:28	bitbyte	said he was paying like 1500 a month for an efficiency apt
14:29	bitbyte	but then he was doing low end techie type work too
14:29	Chutt	i wouldn't live in the city
14:29	bitbyte	ya
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14:29	bitbyte	i hope it works out wel for you. i think you'd be an asset to them
14:29	Chutt	i just want a paycheck =)
14:29	bitbyte	i realize yo udon't want to move
14:29	bitbyte	i hear ya there
14:29	bitbyte	but these days it's har to pick and choose, with the IT market the way it is
14:29	bitbyte	hard*
14:30	Chutt	well, i've really had a nice amount of interest because of mythtv
14:30	bitbyte	yeah, i kinda figured that
14:30	Chutt	so i can pick and choose =)
14:30	Chutt	just nothing's in cleveland
14:30	bitbyte	to some degree yes
14:30	bitbyte	just not within your initial set of parameters
14:30	kvandivo	cleveland rocks
14:31	bitbyte	right, thats what i was referring to
14:31	kvandivo	or so i've heard
14:31	bitbyte	i'm sure redhat pays very ell
14:31	bitbyte	well
14:31	Chutt	they better, if they want me to relocate to boston
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14:31	bitbyte	just make sure they arn't gettin you in there so they can steal myth
14:31	bitbyte	hehe
14:31	Chutt	but i've got a fairly likely prospect in dayton, ohio
14:31	bitbyte	damn the man!
14:32	Chutt	which is only 3/4 hours away by car
14:32	bitbyte	that's not too far from cleveland is it?
14:32	bitbyte	oh hell
14:32	bitbyte	you can commute that
14:32	Chutt	probably wouldn't pay as much
14:32	Chutt	but, it's closer
14:32	stoffel	only?
14:32	bitbyte	ya well, you also wouldnt hav eot sell yer house etc
14:32	Chutt	and sounds really cool
14:32	bitbyte	which costs a lotta money
14:32	bitbyte	unless RH is talking relo package
14:32	Chutt	so i'll likely go with them, if they end up giving me an offer
14:32	Chutt	we'll make money on our house
14:32	bitbyte	comapny i used ot work for gave me 10k to move here
14:33	Chutt	prices went up quite a bit since we bought the place
14:33	bitbyte	ah, thats nice to have
14:33	bitbyte	i wa able to spend the 10grand however i wanted
14:33	bitbyte	i had quite a bit leftover to use on closing costs on the house
14:33	bitbyte	what kind of position is it with RH?
14:34	Chutt	general software stuff
14:34	Chutt	or installer
14:34	bitbyte	ah cool
14:34	Chutt	or ui stuff
14:34	Chutt	depending on what positions they still have open
14:34	bitbyte	do they know yer a gentoo zealot? :P
14:34	Chutt	debian
14:34	bitbyte	hm, i tohught you ran gentoo
14:34	bitbyte	oh well
14:34	Chutt	hell no
14:34	bitbyte	principle holds true
14:35	bitbyte	do they know yer a debian zealot? :D
14:35	Chutt	i'm not really a zealot
14:35	Chutt	it's just what i'm used to
14:35	bitbyte	i know
14:35	bitbyte	i'm just kidding around
14:35	Chutt	debian was the first distro that had a version of X that supported the S3 Virge/VX
14:35	bitbyte	so many ppl get so uptight about what dist to use
14:35	Chutt	and that was the video card i had back when i started college =)
14:36	Chutt	so, that's what distro i ended up using
14:36	bitbyte	and i'm sure the ppl at RH are pretty much RH zealots
14:36	bitbyte	like working at the Ford plant
14:36	bitbyte	hehe
14:36	bitbyte	dirve a BMW to work and get your tires slashed
14:37	bitbyte	did you see that FireFly remote Chutt?
14:37	Chutt	nope
14:37	bitbyte	hm
14:37	bitbyte	sec
14:38	bitbyte	http://www.snapstream.com/Products/firefly/
14:38	bitbyte	they are askign developer of media products to contact them
14:38	Chutt	too busy
14:38	Chutt	the remote, that is
14:38	bitbyte	they want to get native support for as many programs as possible
14:38	bitbyte	i liked it
14:39	bitbyte	i'd LOVE ot get my replayTV remote working with Myth
14:39	bitbyte	or a tivo remote
14:39	bitbyte	but the only info i've found so far is ppl hacking other remotes to act like a relpay one, not the other way around
14:39	stoffel	they should contact the lirc people imho
14:39	bitbyte	stofeel, i think they are expecting those who want to be involved to contac tthem
14:39	Chutt	buy an irman
14:40	Chutt	or make a generic receiver
14:40	Chutt	and any remote you want should work
14:40	bitbyte	i thought the relpay one used some oddball codes
14:40	bitbyte	2 digit codes
14:40	Chutt	shouldn't matter
14:40	bitbyte	hm
14:40	stoffel	bitbyte: they must be really convinced of their product
14:41	bitbyte	chutt, i'll look into it more. i'm siureprised no one has done it yet
14:41	bitbyte	i think that the homebrew pvr market is the niche that they hope ot fill with the firefly remote
14:42	bitbyte	i'm surrised no one has done it yet
14:42	stoffel	what's so special about it, except the amount of buttons?
14:42	bitbyte	they layout is very nice. and the buttons are marked. and they are PVR related buttons, not a bunch of generic stuff
14:42	bitbyte	and shit you dont need
14:43	bitbyte	PVR type buttons seems to be what is lackign in most of them
14:43	bitbyte	it'd be nice to be able to look at the remote, and know what the button does without having to memorize what function they all do
14:43	bitbyte	WAF
14:44	Chutt	grey hauppauge remote
14:44	Chutt	works pretty damn well
14:44	stoffel	WAF? why? 'wife: sweetheart, please switch to channel WXY and don't forget recording Friends tonight' :)
14:45	bitbyte	surprisingly well. but it's still rather cryptic for the uninitiated
14:45	bitbyte	stoffel, i dont watch that much tv to be honest
14:45	bitbyte	my wife is the one who uses it primarily
14:46	bitbyte	this is the relpay remote
14:46	bitbyte	http://www.digitalnetworksna.com/dvr/5500/RemoteControl.asp
14:47	bitbyte	in fact, this remote is the reason i was askig the other day about being able to jump form live tv to a menu of recorded shows for playback
14:48	bitbyte	intialy i didn't care for it, but once i figure dout it's uses I'd hate ot be without it
14:48	bitbyte	the remote has a jp1 interface on it as well. so it's highly configurable
14:49	bitbyte	it's more or less a ripoff of the tivo series one remote
14:49	bitbyte	which id' be happy to use as well. I can see elements of that one in the firefly
14:50	bitbyte	one thing missing form that remote picture, that mine has, is the button to turn channel advance off and on
14:52	stoffel	bitbyte: somehow that doesn't sound like 'i dont watch that much tv to be honest' to me, to be honest :)
14:53	bitbyte	i dont, i'm the one who puts shows on for the kids etc
14:53	bitbyte	you gotta remember, i've owned this stuff for quite some time now
14:53	bitbyte	and a tivo
14:53	bitbyte	i'm gettign rid of them tho, i'm tired of paying the sub fee
14:54	bitbyte	so it's not as if these are things that would keep me from using myth
14:54	bitbyte	just things that I think woul enhance it
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15:20	rkulagow	WTF?
15:20	rkulagow	make[1]: Entering directory `/XebianLocal/home/mythtv/mythtv/programs'
15:20	rkulagow	cd mythepg && make -f Makefile
15:20	rkulagow	make[2]: Entering directory `/XebianLocal/home/mythtv/mythtv/programs/mythepg'
15:20	rkulagow	g++ -o mythepg main.o -L/usr/share/qt3/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L../../libs/libmyth -L../../libs/libmythtv -L../../libs/libavcodec -L../../libs/libavformat -lmythtv-0.15 -lmythavformat-0.15 -lmythavcodec-0.15 -lmyth-0.15 -lfreetype -lmp3lame -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXinerama -lXv -lX11 -lXext -lXxf86vm -lqt-mt -lXext -lX11 -lm -lpthread
15:20	rkulagow	main.o(.text+0x50): In function `main':
15:20	rkulagow	: undefined reference to `MythContext::MythContext(QString const &, bool, bool)'
15:20	rkulagow	main.o(.text+0x12e): In function `main':
15:20	rkulagow	: undefined reference to `MythContext::OpenDatabase(QSqlDatabase *)'
15:20	rkulagow	main.o(.text+0x193): In function `main':
15:20	rkulagow	: undefined reference to `MythContext::GetSetting(QString const &, QString const &)'
15:20	rkulagow	main.o(.text+0x240): In function `main':
15:20	rkulagow	: undefined reference to `MythContext::LoadQtConfig(void)'
15:20	rkulagow	(about 300 more lines of this...)
15:20	Chutt	funky
15:20	Chutt	'slike it didn't find the libmyth it was looking for
15:20	rkulagow	gah, if it wasn't for the fact that this xbox might make a nice, clean frontend i would have stopped a while ago.
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15:21	rkulagow	i bet you it's something with distcc or some bullshit. i guess i'll self-compile, but its probably going to take 8 hours or so.
15:22	Chutt	heh
15:22	rkulagow	ok, here we go. "time make". i'm going to go buy an office chair. bbl.
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16:14	knight-	heh
16:15	knight-	Chutt, the grey hauppage doesnt have enough buttons unfortunately :)
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17:08	oc	Chutt: you know the slider i want to do? wouldn't be that hard to be considering the buffer slider right? could you just give me some pointers where i need to add them? osdtypes and osd?
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17:09	rkulagow	fuck. "virtual memory exhausted" stupid xbox.
17:09	o_cee	heh
17:09	o_cee	give it a break
17:19	kvandivo	gee.. installing it on my xbox consisted of "emerge mythtv"
17:19	rkulagow	i didn't know that you could run gentoo on the xbox. and wouldn't gentoo be even slower, since i'd have to compile everything first?
17:20	kvandivo	yep. it's not free. :)
17:20	kvandivo	actually, no..
17:20	kvandivo	you don't have to compile anything first..
17:20	kvandivo	the gentoox distrib comes with everything already compiled
17:20	kvandivo	since the xbox has standard hardware, the ISO already has things compiled for it
17:21	kvandivo	but, i'm not meaning to get into any sort of distribution war.. i know better.. :)
17:22	kvandivo	my basic suggestion for putting linux on any new machine (be it xbox or other) is to go with what you know
17:22	rkulagow	there's no xbox-for-mandrake out there, and that's what i'm comfortable with...
17:26	rkulagow	kvandivo: are you running mythtv cvs on gentoox? does it come with qt 3.1 or better?
17:27	kvandivo	cvs: yes, and my current qt is definitely 3.1 or better..
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17:28	rkulagow	does the "emerge mythtv" satisfy the pre-requisites? how does it "know" whether i want to compile cvs or the .14 tarball?
17:28	kvandivo	umm.. actually, emerge mythtv uses the .14 tarball
17:28	kvandivo	and does all the prereqs associated with it
17:29	kvandivo	i then just dropped cvs into a directory and recompile/install as desired..
17:29	kvandivo	i just used emerge mythtv to get everything set up the first time
17:29	rkulagow	ah, ok. let me take a look so that we stop cluttering #mythtv with this.
17:29	rkulagow	are you going to be around later?
17:29	kvandivo	probably for another hour, and then tomorrow, and the day after that, etc
17:30	rkulagow	huh. "home" or "pro"?
17:30	rkulagow	yeesh. pro is a lot smaller.
17:31	kvandivo	when i installed i don't know if they had both..
17:31	kvandivo	does pro have X ?
17:34	rkulagow	hrmm. is your xbox chipped, or did you use the mechinstaller method?
17:36	rkulagow	bbl.
17:38	o_cee	yeah so osdtypes already has the fillslider.. so all that would be needed is a new OSD::SetInfoText? continuing
17:40	o_cee	and tv_play.cpp.. ah well
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17:42	kvandivo	rkulagow: chipped. my next one (maybe soon, at $149) will be done via mech or possibly splinter cell
17:45	o_cee	and something in NuppelVideoPlayer::calcSliderPos
17:45	bitbyte	you'll have ot downgrade the dashbord
17:46	kvandivo	bitbyte: only if you get one that has a higher dash to begin with
17:48	o_cee	if i didn't already have one i'd get this: http://www.xbox.com/sv-se/hardware/crystalconsole.htm
17:48	o_cee	http://www.xbox.com/en-gb/hardware/crystalconsole.htm
17:48	o_cee	in english
17:49	bitbyte	kvandivo, true, but the vast majority of the ones being sold today have the new dash
17:49	bitbyte	i managed to get MS to replace my DVD drive with a samsung for free under warranty
17:49	bitbyte	hehe
17:56	kvandivo	crystals have a different video chip. beware
17:57	o_cee	kvandivo: yeah i read that.. but they're chippable right? a friend will probably buy one soon
17:57	o_cee	but he won't be running linux, that's for sure :)
17:57	kvandivo	correct. and i don't care about them for anything other than linux
17:57	kvandivo	(in an attempt to keep this discussion remotely in the same hemisphere as the topic at hand)
17:57	o_cee	i heard you can play on them as well
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18:46	rkulagow	my my, shallax (gentoox guy) sure seems to be the resident curmudgeon. ("you can read, can't you?")
18:47	o_cee	dammit, another new word to look up
18:47	stoffel	o_cee: tell me, too.
18:48	o_cee	stoffel: hmm, can't translate that to deutch..
18:48	rkulagow	replace "shallax (gentoox guy)" with "chutt (mythtv guy)" and it should translate.
18:48	o_cee	but i know what it is now :)
18:48	o_cee	rkulagow: hah
18:48	o_cee	"surly or miserly person"
18:48	stoffel	me too ;)
18:49	rkulagow	howabout, "gruff but loveable"?
18:49	o_cee	sweet
18:49	stoffel	dict is nice
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19:02	o_cee	g'night all, going to bed soonish
19:02	stoffel	good night, and dito for me
19:14	rkulagow	huh. looks like i'
19:14	rkulagow	d need a chipped xbox or an evox'ed one to make gentoox work.
19:16	rkulagow	feh. i'll just keep beating my head against xebian.
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20:24	fathom	i'm having a horrible time trying to get my pvr-350 to work i'm missing tuner.o, what makes that compile?
20:27	fathom	nevermind
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20:29	anduin	fathom - #ivtv-dev
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21:08	Toothpick	Is there a tuner for xbox?
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21:22	dcstimm	hey guys, what is the best kernel for getting a pvr-250 card working?
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21:57	billytwowilly	\| Chutt, are you around?
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22:12	rkulagow	mdz: you here?
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22:18	mdz	rkulagow: yep
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22:21	rkulagow	well, i gone and done it. that xbox that you had worked - problem was that sound never worked. xebian 1.0.1 fixed that, but the only way is to re-install. so at this point i've whacked the box. what i'm trying to do is run CVS, but a straight dist-upgrade will break Xebian.
22:21	rkulagow	so, i asked around on the xebian IRC.
22:22	rkulagow	got a pointer that rather than trying to upgrade, just install qt3.1 backport from the kde.org website.
22:23	mdz	rkulagow: where is the fix? in the kernel?
22:23	rkulagow	are you interested in spending some cycles? i really just want to get the box to the point that I can run myth CVS, since everything else in the house is already at that point.
22:23	mdz	if so, just upgrade that and leave the rest alone. it seemed happy enough
22:24	rkulagow	when i try to do a apt-get build-dep mythtv i get an error:
22:25	rkulagow	E: Build-Depends dependency on mythtv cannot be satisfied because the package linux-kernel-headers cannot be found
22:25	rkulagow	i just hate being so in the dark with this debian / xebian stuff. mandrake made me soft.
22:26	rkulagow	and since i'm a giver, i want to put something together to post. haven't gotten a response on the xbox-linux board to my question.
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22:27	mdz	rkulagow: what's in sources.list?
22:27	rkulagow	standby
22:27	rkulagow	xbox:/etc/apt# cat sources.list
22:27	rkulagow	deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib
22:27	rkulagow	deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib
22:27	rkulagow	#deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free
22:27	rkulagow	#deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free
22:27	rkulagow	deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free
22:27	rkulagow	deb ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/kde/stable/3.2/Debian stable main
22:27	rkulagow	deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
22:27	rkulagow	deb-src http://perso.wanadoo.fr/debian/ unstable main
22:27	rkulagow	deb http://xbox-linux.sourceforge.net/packages/dists/xebian/ ./
22:27	rkulagow	deb-src http://xbox-linux.sourceforge.net/packages/dists/xebian/ ./
22:27	rkulagow	deb http://marillat.free.fr/ stable main