| --- | Log | opened Sun Mar 28 00:00:37 2004 |
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| 01:06 | soros | hello mythtv people |
| 01:06 | hadees | hello |
| 01:07 | soros | i was reading an article a few days ago saying that ReplayTV was about to initiate legal action against mythtv because it infringed on their patents..... how is the project defending itself against this ? |
| 01:07 | hadees | huh? where was this? |
| 01:08 | soros | i cant recall, i was at work :( |
| 01:08 | hadees | never heard of it, seems like somthing that would be on slashdot |
| 01:08 | dopester | news.google.com comesback with nothing |
| 01:09 | soros | i'll look through my history on monday |
| 01:09 | hadees | i can't see replaytv seeing mythtv as a threat, frankely mythtv is not for the everyday user |
| 01:09 | soros | who controls this project , what is their name ? |
| 01:09 | dopester | check out the website |
| 01:09 | soros | i think i will |
| 01:09 | soros | thanks |
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| 01:10 | hadees | soros: you don't by chance work for replay tv |
| 01:10 | hadees | hmm... |
| 01:11 | dopester | weird |
| 01:11 | hadees | i have a feeling that if that were true they would go after tivo before mythtv |
| 01:11 | dopester | anyone know if the dvb-s code is a bit flaky, or am i really fighting demons in the code :) |
| 01:11 | hadees | quick chutt change your name |
| 01:11 | hadees | replaytv is after you |
| 01:11 | hadees | hehe |
| 01:11 | dopester | besides if ya went after mythtv what the hell would ya get? |
| 01:12 | dopester | issacs computer at best? |
| 01:12 | hadees | move the server to sealand |
| 01:13 | hadees | what patents would they use anyway tivo does all the stuff also |
| 01:13 | hadees | and a dozen other things of software |
| 01:14 | dopester | someone should go after tivo cause i got a hunch some of the "propritaty" things they got were whorings of gpl software |
| 01:23 | dopester | quiet nite |
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| 02:38 | hadees | i like the bsd license better |
| 02:38 | hadees | it people do what ever they want |
| 02:38 | hadees | it lets people |
| 03:06 | josephk | as a consumer I can see how that is attractive... I doubt a developer sees it in the same light |
| 03:12 | hadees | well i think there should be a middle ground that lets companies do great stuff with open source software but still helps out the community |
| 03:12 | hadees | codeweaver has done well with this |
| 03:12 | hadees | and doesn't explote the open source software |
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| 04:01 | dopester | yeah! i haven't gone mad.. some pids changed.. so my diseqc code wasnt the culprit.. |
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| 08:26 | stoffel | <nitpick>with latest cvs, the 'header text' Myth Database Logging in the settings screen appears twice </nitpick> |
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| 10:35 | o_cee | Chutt: did you see the idea2b.png pic? |
| 11:03 | josephk | was that one from Sage? |
| 11:04 | o_cee | not really, idea1.png is |
| 11:06 | josephk | I hate when the osd is so huge I can't see anything...but then again I'm ouputting to an overscanned tv |
| 11:06 | josephk | a super-overscanned tv |
| 11:07 | o_cee | i'm annoyed when it covers the sub-titles, since we have quite alot of that here |
| 11:08 | josephk | at first mine wouldn't cover them, but I bet it does now...with the show description |
| 11:09 | josephk | I actually had the description up top in a 1 line format, but it doesn't look right separate from the other info...plus you noticed you can't have more than one fademovement in a container |
| 11:09 | josephk | hehe |
| 11:09 | o_cee | you got a screenshot? |
| 11:10 | josephk | no...I run it out to a 350 |
| 11:10 | josephk | it might not look right on a monitor...haven't tried it |
| 11:10 | josephk | I guess I could right now though |
| 11:11 | o_cee | digital camera maybe? :) |
| 11:12 | josephk | yess... |
| 11:12 | mikegrb | no |
| 11:14 | o_cee | josephk: did you try putting a container inside a container? dunno if it works |
| 11:15 | josephk | no haven't tried |
| 11:16 | josephk | although I've tried screwing up the tags |
| 11:16 | josephk | that works well |
| 11:16 | josephk | hehe |
| 11:16 | o_cee | would be a nice way to add different fades |
| 11:17 | o_cee | you know what <box> is for? i mean you can't change the color or anything? |
| 11:17 | josephk | well I have channelnumber and icon fade to the nearest side |
| 11:17 | josephk | I think so |
| 11:18 | josephk | actually maybe not |
| 11:19 | josephk | easy way to do it though... |
| 11:19 | josephk | 1x1px image with the transparency and color you want |
| 11:19 | josephk | then stretch it |
| 11:19 | josephk | simple as a pimple |
| 11:20 | o_cee | yeah but i thought i could make some stuff without images |
| 11:20 | o_cee | dunno if it'd be quicker or not |
| 11:21 | josephk | I think I tried it...probably didn't work |
| 11:22 | josephk | how would you specify the alpha though?...would alpha even be and option under box? |
| 11:23 | josephk | be nice to get an outline without a lot of fuss in placement though |
| 11:26 | o_cee | josephk: ah no true |
| 11:27 | o_cee | no alpha either |
| 11:35 | o_cee | got any screenshot yet? |
| 11:35 | josephk | sorry...can't find the cable |
| 11:35 | josephk | lol |
| 11:36 | o_cee | bah:) |
| 11:36 | josephk | its in the disappearing bag |
| 11:38 | josephk | found it |
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| 11:39 | sprong | hey |
| 11:41 | josephk | importing at the speed of usb |
| 11:41 | josephk | zz |
| 11:41 | josephk | z |
| 11:41 | sprong | josephk: are yo using gentoo? |
| 11:41 | josephk | you see you can't fit all 3 z's at the same time in usb |
| 11:41 | josephk | 'no |
| 11:42 | sprong | do you know how to set this up in gentoo? |
| 11:43 | josephk | nope |
| 11:43 | josephk | that sounds like a job for #mythtv-users |
| 11:44 | sprong | whats this channel for then? |
| 11:44 | josephk | developing |
| 11:44 | josephk | ways of keeping people in #mythtv-users |
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| 11:58 | josephk | doctoring in ps |
| 12:04 | Chutt | whee |
| 12:06 | josephk | http://www.kennedytrio.com/osd-images/browse3.jpg |
| 12:06 | josephk | http://www.kennedytrio.com/osd-images/status1.jpg |
| 12:07 | josephk | I'm not married to it |
| 12:07 | josephk | lol |
| 12:08 | Chutt | looks decent |
| 12:10 | Chutt | be concerned about space for longer channel names on the browse mode |
| 12:10 | josephk | how long? |
| 12:10 | josephk | ah ok |
| 12:11 | Chutt | erk |
| 12:11 | josephk | I tested it with the longest I could find...of course I don't have any triple digit channels so couldn't test that |
| 12:11 | Chutt | i meant program names |
| 12:11 | Chutt | sorry |
| 12:12 | josephk | they seem to fit fine...just the times get cut off, and not too often |
| 12:12 | josephk | plus thats the default size font |
| 12:12 | josephk | I like it better smaller |
| 12:12 | josephk | tiny |
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| 12:12 | josephk | teenee tiny |
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| 12:13 | o_cee | Chutt: you saw idea2.b.png? |
| 12:13 | o_cee | idea2b.png |
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| 12:14 | josephk | It seems I have to avoid color in various portions otherwise I get a bleed about 300 pixels to the left or right |
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| 12:14 | o_cee | blergh off to get a steak.. later |
| 12:16 | josephk | tried making mng's with gimp...not working too well...I'm guessing it's the transparency |
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| 12:25 | sprong | whats an mng? |
| 12:33 | Chutt | josephk, bleeding on the pvr-350? |
| 12:33 | Chutt | that should be fixed in cvs |
| 12:33 | Chutt | o_cee, i'll need the url again to see 2b |
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| 12:55 | josephk | http://trekotor.se/mythtv/idea2b.png |
| 12:55 | josephk | gotcha on the bleeding |
| 12:56 | josephk | I'd like to make a more elaborate osd, but I don't like busy osd's when I'm watching tv |
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| 13:00 | dopester | id like the osd to fit in the screen with the 350.. |
| 13:01 | josephk | yeah...I think we have to make 350-centric osd's |
| 13:02 | dopester | cant you use the same "sizing" information from the menus? |
| 13:02 | josephk | ? |
| 13:02 | josephk | oh |
| 13:02 | josephk | hmm |
| 13:02 | josephk | no |
| 13:02 | josephk | hehe |
| 13:02 | dopester | you know how you size the menus to fit with a 350 i always figured there was some reason why that wasn't used for the osd |
| 13:02 | josephk | can't underscan the output, I don't think |
| 13:03 | dopester | i thought it was just rezing and scaling the background and images |
| 13:03 | josephk | you mean when outputting live tv |
| 13:03 | josephk | or just in general |
| 13:03 | dopester | just in general |
| 13:03 | dopester | the /dev/video16 isnt messed with |
| 13:03 | dopester | just the X interface.. |
| 13:04 | dopester | you know how you move it right and left and set the width, etc to fit the over/under scan of your tv |
| 13:04 | dopester | bascily you put it in the "safe" zone |
| 13:04 | josephk | yeah...I think it's because they do that for x and it would just involve having 350 specific settings |
| 13:04 | josephk | and in x they just underscan the entire image |
| 13:05 | dopester | oh werid.. |
| 13:05 | josephk | including tv out |
| 13:05 | josephk | live tv rather |
| 13:05 | dopester | i didnt think it messed with tv out, but i havent digged into it at all.. |
| 13:05 | josephk | not tv out really |
| 13:06 | dopester | i wasted all of yesterday trying to add diseqc switch support (and motor contorl eventually) cause some pids changed.. |
| 13:07 | josephk | you know what I'm trying to say right...not messing with the tv out, just the video constraints |
| 13:07 | dopester | sort of |
| 13:08 | dopester | i mean the osd is an xml doc right? |
| 13:08 | dopester | pointing to images, etc |
| 13:08 | josephk | yeah |
| 13:08 | dopester | why couldnt ya make it get scaled when its loaded in to fit within the X,Y that you have the menus setup for |
| 13:09 | josephk | you can |
| 13:09 | dopester | i manualyl edited mine to get the time to fit.. |
| 13:09 | josephk | if you are using X...hehe |
| 13:09 | dopester | you not using X? |
| 13:09 | josephk | I mean all x |
| 13:09 | josephk | not pvr |
| 13:10 | dopester | i guess we arent communincating.. |
| 13:10 | dopester | no the overlay the FB image is always 720x480 |
| 13:10 | dopester | for ntsc |
| 13:10 | josephk | what I'm trying to say is that there is no reason you can't for the pvr |
| 13:10 | josephk | just that they don't |
| 13:10 | dopester | ok so its just something that needs to be added.. |
| 13:10 | dopester | ok sorry.. heeh |
| 13:10 | josephk | it would be a special case |
| 13:11 | dopester | is there anyone else working with the dvb code? to add motor support i really need to modify the dvb_tuning_t obejct.. |
| 13:11 | dopester | add the satellite position.. |
| 13:11 | josephk | considering you can't under or overscan the mpeg stream unless you process it...I assume they just say leave it be |
| 13:11 | josephk | I don't know |
| 13:12 | dopester | imnot talking about the mpeg.. |
| 13:12 | dopester | the mpeg is perfect.. :) |
| 13:12 | josephk | I know |
| 13:12 | dopester | so whats the process for sending a patch in? just post it on mythtv-dev? |
| 13:14 | josephk | yeah |
| 13:21 | dopester | having never submitted to an open source project are there any coding standards, or is it just the "make it work" strategy? |
| 13:21 | anduin | make it look like what is there |
| 13:22 | dopester | ok thats simple enough.. |
| 13:22 | dopester | am i right in understanding that the dvb-s guy doing the switch/positioner support quit? |
| 13:23 | anduin | That is my understanding. |
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| 13:23 | dopester | cool.. |
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| 13:28 | dopester | has anyone started on a strategy for verifying pids before tuning? if not i can try to work on that in a bit.. |
| 13:29 | dopester | the only matters of course if the symbolrate and frequency and poles don't change.. |
| 13:29 | dopester | but woulda saved me a day of wasted time yesterday |
| 13:31 | mattf | how do you do key combos like shift+g in .lircrc? |
| 13:34 | anduin | mattf - that should do it |
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| 13:42 | mattf | hmm...has anyone ever received or heard of anyone getting a faulty irman? |
| 13:43 | cmorgan | considering how much of a pita it is to get ir devices working the last thing i'd look at was the hardware |
| 13:44 | anduin | mattf - I'm sure it could happen, I'd test it somewhere else first though |
| 13:44 | mattf | cmorgan: well i had everything working fine with another remote & receiver, but i bought an rca remote and an irman and i'm trying to get it working again now |
| 13:45 | mattf | anduin: i was going through the libirman docs and the lowest level test is a program called test_io which spits out the ir codes it receives. sometimes i get the same code for different buttons, sometimes i get different codes for the same button |
| 13:45 | mattf | and i get the same weird behavior with two different remotes which work fine with the sat receiver, so i'm pretty sure it's the irman |
| 13:46 | anduin | mattf - depends on the remote but that _might_ be normal |
| 13:46 | anduin | hmm, ok, not normal |
| 13:47 | mattf | heh |
| 13:49 | mattf | maybe i'll try it out in windows with the provided software and see what's up |
| 13:54 | dopester | i need to buy stock in hauppauge.. i feel like i have one of everything from them.. |
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| 14:59 | probono | hi all, does anyone know a way to make mythtv work in a nonstandard directory (e. g. /opt2)? |
| 15:00 | mikegrb | settings.pro |
| 15:01 | probono | that's it? |
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| 15:04 | probono | is settings.pro used at runtime or just at compile time? my real question is know a way to make mythtv work in a nonstandard directory (e. g. /opt2) *without recompilation*? |
| 15:06 | mikegrb | no |
| 15:09 | anduin | probono - set MYTHTVDIR |
| 15:10 | probono | at runtime or at compile time? |
| 15:10 | anduin | probono - runtime, as an environment variable |
| 15:10 | probono | great! that was just what I needed. thanxx |
| 15:16 | mikegrb | thanxx?? maybe he meant thanks |
| 15:17 | o_cee | dunno |
| 15:17 | mikegrb | I figured he wanted a compile method as this is a dev channel ;) |
| 15:17 | o_cee | hehe |
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| 18:01 | Katmando | is going with the pvr-350 over the pvr-250 worth the hassel at this point? |
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| 18:02 | dopester | if you dont want tv out then the pvr250 is great :) |
| 18:03 | Katmando | what benifits do the pvr-350 have |
| 18:04 | dopester | video out |
| 18:04 | Katmando | I thought the 250 had tv out as well |
| 18:05 | dopester | nope |
| 18:05 | FreddieD | i believe the 350 has hardware encoding AND decoding, whereas the 250 just has hardware encoding |
| 18:05 | dopester | right |
| 18:05 | dopester | hardware decoding = tv out |
| 18:05 | dopester | thats at least what i meant |
| 18:05 | dopester | if you want to get technical the 2 dont have to go hand in hand |
| 18:05 | FreddieD | so, if your CPU is good enough to handle the decoding (1300 mhz or better i'd imagine) then the 250 should be sufficient |
| 18:06 | dopester | imo the 350 has impecable tv out where as most other cards dont compare |
| 18:06 | FreddieD | or, if you are running the frontend and backend on two different machines then the 350 would have no use for you |
| 18:06 | dopester | i tried an nvidia geforce and it couldnt do interlacing and scaled everything no matter what i did.. |
| 18:07 | dopester | i have a frontend on a seperate box so im basicly wasting the encoder part of it |
| 18:07 | FreddieD | i'm using a VGA -> NTSC device for my tv out |
| 18:07 | dopester | if yer fine with teh quality then ya dont need the 350 |
| 18:07 | Katmando | I think my Nvidia has tv out |
| 18:08 | Katmando | What are the dual tuner benifits |
| 18:08 | dopester | yeah i had one with tv out |
| 18:09 | Katmando | pip, record to channels? |
| 18:09 | Katmando | to = two |
| 18:09 | dopester | it scaled the video to put black bars in the overscan |
| 18:09 | dopester | so sports were hard to watch |
| 18:09 | FreddieD | heh i still got the superbowl on my box |
| 18:09 | dopester | throw in a little de-interlacing and it was jerky as hell.. it hurt my eyes.. was fine for sitcoms and other non movement shows |
| 18:10 | Katmando | Which tuner cards do you guys have? |
| 18:11 | FreddieD | i have the pvr 250 |
| 18:11 | Katmando | I have a box that I would like to install myth on to see if this worth it but I still need a tuner card |
| 18:12 | Katmando | It is between the 250 and 350 |
| 18:12 | FreddieD | im very happy with the 250. only takes 3% CPU on my p2 350 :) |
| 18:13 | Katmando | wow p2 250!! |
| 18:13 | Katmando | How is the performance |
| 18:13 | Katmando | I was going to do it on a amd 1800XP but I have a dual pIII 450 that may work |
| 18:14 | FreddieD | i use the p2 350 as my backend and a athlon XP 1400 for my front end |
| 18:14 | FreddieD | the backend doesnt do much except record the crap to disk and spit it back out so the p2 350 is acceptable. |
| 18:15 | FreddieD | the 1400 is just about as low as i think i can get without jerkiness from a 720x480 encode |
| 18:17 | Katmando | What is the difference in #mythtv and #mythtv-users channels? |
| 18:18 | Katmando | one is for support and this one is not? |
| 18:18 | stoffel | the topic? |
| 18:20 | dopester | this one is for developers |
| 18:26 | Katmando | I see thanks |
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| 21:17 | mikegrb | http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040325/capt.sge.bjn04.250304143706.photo00.default-384x274.jpg |
| 21:17 | mikegrb | "I'm going to start a security company to protect people from killer robots and that picture is all the advertising I need" |
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