TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#mythtv:2004:03:27

---	Log	opened Sat Mar 27 00:00:15 2004
00:04	dopester	is there a platform that is stable enough for myth right now that wouldnt bring customers screaming back in a few weeks? i always have to restart my backend or frontend every few days
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00:24	Chutt	my main mythtv box never has any problems
00:24	Chutt	hasn't since december or so
00:25	Chutt	gets used pretty heavily every day
00:27	dopester	could be the pvr350 killin me
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00:34	Chutt	generally is, though not for everyone
00:35	dopester	is there any other video out device that has the same quality as the 350?
00:48	Chutt	nope
00:49	Chutt	did something change in the mute on channel change code recently?
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01:17	dopester	ok this diseqc stuff is makin me mad now
01:17	dopester	when i think ive gotten something done i take hte code out ahd myth still refuses to record anything from my dvb-s card
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01:18	dopester	2004-03-27 01:17:56 Started recording "L.I.E." on channel: 3614 on cardid: 16, sourceid 3
01:18	dopester	2004-03-27 01:17:56 DVB#0 DiSEqC 1.0 Switch - Port 1
01:18	dopester	2004-03-27 01:17:56 DVB#0 DiSEqC Setting Port Group
01:18	dopester	Sending DiSEqC Command: E0 10 38 F4
01:18	dopester	2004-03-27 01:17:57 DVB#0 WARNING - Status: CARRIER \| VITERBI \| SIGNAL \| NO LOCK!
01:18	dopester	2004-03-27 01:17:57 DVB#0 WARNING - Status: CARRIER \| SIGNAL \| NO LOCK!
01:18	dopester	2004-03-27 01:17:57 DVB#0 Successfully tuned to channel 614.
01:18	dopester	Successful my ass :)
01:25	mdz	lrelease this, lrelease that
01:37	Chutt	heh
01:37	Chutt	helps at times :p
01:51	dopester	i had it working yesterday i thought
01:56	Captain_Murdo	\| mdz, will that code cause the "Toggle CC" item to be drawn twice on the menu if vbimode == 2 and you're playing a recording?
01:57	Captain_Murdo	\| actually, I guess whether it's a recording or livetv.
01:59	Chutt	yes
01:59	Chutt	i merged that bad =)
02:00	Chutt	2 different patches, there
02:00	Chutt	should be fixed now
02:00	Captain_Murdo	\| ah, thought he did that since he was talking about lrelease. :) didn't have the commit message yet.
02:01	Captain_Murdo	\| trying to merge back in my changes now. guess I should re-update.
02:01	Chutt	sorry
02:02	Chutt	guess i made that harder for you
02:03	Captain_Murdo	\| no big deal, easy to fixup.
02:03	Captain_Murdo	\| is there any way to disable a menu item right now?
02:03	Chutt	ah, no
02:04	Chutt	could just not add it
02:04	Captain_Murdo	\| like disable the current CC setting if it's on or disable the current aspect ratio, etc.
02:04	Chutt	change the names
02:04	Captain_Murdo	\| yeah, that's what I'm doing now for the auto-skip comm setting.
02:04	Chutt	depending on the current setting
02:04	Chutt	would work nicer that way, i'd assume
02:04	Captain_Murdo	\| was trying to think of a way to have less translation. :)
02:05	Captain_Murdo	\| right now I just skip the item for whatever the current value is for auto-skip, but I do show all zoom/aspect modes on that submenu no matter what the current setting.
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02:09	Captain_Murdo	\| so action.right(1).toInt() is just the index into the submenu for the selected item and is 1-based?
02:14	Captain_Murdo	\| nevermind, still looking at how you did the CC stuff. I can make the zoom/aspect stuff easier by doing something similar.
02:14	Captain_Murdo	\| I know what the right(1) is now, wasn't thinking straight earlier.
02:15	Chutt	heh
02:15	Chutt	that was someone elses patch :p
02:16	Chutt	blah
02:16	Chutt	libavcodec resynced
02:16	Chutt	time for libavformat
02:16	Chutt	crap's taking too long
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07:58	redeeman	hi
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08:22	mikegrb	bye
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10:58	rkulagow	snow-man: can you give me a round number on how many users are in the -dev and -users lists?
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12:08	o_cee	i emailed SageTV and asked if i could make an OSD for Myth like theirs..
12:08	o_cee	think it'd look pretty good, hope they're nice :)
12:10	mikegrb	I liked those pictures you posted
12:11	o_cee	yeah i guess i'll make it anyway
12:11	o_cee	could post it internally for you guys to use as well if they don't approve
12:11	o_cee	but i haven't looked at the osd stuff in myth at all yet
12:12	mikegrb	;)
12:12	mikegrb	it's easy
12:12	o_cee	yeah guess so :) just that there's other stuff to fix as well
12:13	mikegrb	o_cee: http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/water_taxi_himiko.php <- please send me one of these ;)
12:13	o_cee	you saw the original screenshot of sagetv? their 'pause live tv' timebar looked nice..
12:13	o_cee	heh cool
12:14	mikegrb	yes I saw that too
12:15	o_cee	would like to make that one too, but i guess i need codechanges.. but as i said, haven't looked at it
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12:43	o_cee	mikegrb: what did you think of idea2.png?
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13:03	mikegrb	I liked it
13:03	mikegrb	I don't know which I like more though
13:03	mikegrb	I think 1 had some transparency and 2 didn't iirc
13:04	mikegrb	I like the slight transparency so you can see what's on the screen if it is important
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14:01	tmulle	hi
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14:04	stoffel	for questions about mythtv please join #mythtv-users tmulle.
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14:54	Chutt	o_cee, 2's better
15:00	bobnvic	Is anyone else had a problem with mythvideo cvs not hiding videos with "browsable" unchecked? I'm sure this used to work.
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15:19	anduin	bobnvic - hmm, looks like a bug in videofilter.cpp
15:23	hadees	what are the hiding rules? if the files are named whatever.cd1.avi and whatever.cd2.avi it only shows whatever.avi?
15:24	bobnvic	no, it should just show based on whether the browsable tag is set or not as I understand it
15:25	anduin	bobnvic - insert into settings(value, data) values('DefaultVideoBrowse', 1);
15:25	o_cee	Chutt: yeah, it looks pretty nice.. and it's not a direct rip of sagetv.. would the timebar they have be possible to make as well without codechanges? guess it doesn't have the "this part haven't been recorded" thingie right?
15:26	o_cee	bobnvic: hit F to get up the filters, it's not activated by default
15:26	o_cee	bobnvic: when browsing the videos
15:28	hadees	oh mabey we are talking about diffrent things
15:28	hadees	i was talking about playing and showing split files as one file
15:29	bobnvic	o_cee: thanks, that was the problem. I think that browsable should be set to "Yes" by default
15:30	hadees	anyone know where they got that remote for that AU mythtv box
15:30	hadees	looked nice
15:30	anduin	yeah, different thing. videofilter.cpp still looks wrong though, if you have no other filters the WHERE clause will only select those videos with browse = whatever browse is rather than >=
15:30	bobnvic	I had never seen that filter screen before
15:35	bobnvic	I knew that filters had been implemented but thought they only applied to genre, country and such and that therefore it wouldn't effect me until I decided to add those things.
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16:26	o_cee	hadees: i can recommend Home Theater Master MX-500, it rocks :)
16:27	mikegrb	sometimes it jazzs
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16:46	Chutt	heh
16:47	Chutt	ann patterson's going to have a fun time getting me to give a shit about that maudio patch once it's tested
16:48	monkyBox	where can I find the file that tells keyboard shortcuts for mythmusic?
16:50	stoffel	Chutt: um, why?
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17:17	Chutt	i don't like pissy emails on my list
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17:40	o_cee	Chutt: the timeline that sagetv has, would it be possible for you to code that up? :)
17:41	Captain_Murdo	\| Chutt, I've seen people using gnome (and sawfish maybe) on RH9 complain about the cursor disappearing. It happens here as well on a RH9 system running latest stable fvwm2 so maybe it's a RH9 issue. I just run "xsetroot -def" occasionally when it annoys me. :)
17:42	o_cee	Captain_Murdoch: hi dude
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17:43	o_cee	Captain_Murdoch: i'll get 10mbit next week hopefully, if you want to take a look at some recordings
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17:44	Chutt	captain_murdoch, well, the qt docs specifically say that it only affects the application window
17:44	stoffel	o_cee: pfff
17:44	Captain_Murdo	\| o_cee, sounds good. I have a place where I can setup a login for you to drop them off sometime.
17:45	Captain_Murdo	\| chutt, yeah, I figured since it was only happening to a few that it must be something wierd with my setup or theirs or RH.
17:45	o_cee	Captain_Murdoch: would be great.. because i want to send them full quality, i almost had a feeling it worked better when recorded in low quality
17:45	Captain_Murdo	\| these are mpeg4 or mpeg2?
17:46	o_cee	mpeg2
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17:46	o_cee	pvrx50's
17:46	Captain_Murdo	\| how big are your hour-long files so I know how much space I need to have available.
17:46	o_cee	one hour is like, lemme check.. 2-2.5gb i think
17:46	o_cee	but i could record 30 mins shows
17:47	Captain_Murdo	\| yeah, that's fine, I was just thinking X hours time Y gb/hr. 1/2 hour shows would probably be better so you can give me different samples.
17:48	o_cee	about 1.3gb/30mins.. but you could get one at a time if that'd be better
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17:49	o_cee	anyone up for a new osd theme? i
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17:49	o_cee	'm actually considering giving it a try
17:49	Captain_Murdo	\| doesn't matter to me, I have about 20-30Gb available on that server, just need to make it usable.
17:49	o_cee	ah, then it's no problem :)
17:50	o_cee	haven't gotten any date for my new conection, all i know is that my old will be disconected wednesday, hehhe
17:51	Chutt	o_cee, a new osd theme would be nice
17:51	Chutt	as for the time bar like that, i don't really find it intuitive
17:51	o_cee	no? maybe it would make sense with the plans of starting new recordings when watching tv you know.. like continuing recording when you switch back.. then you could see exactly what you've got
17:53	Captain_Murdo	\| o_cee, I won't have time to get it ready until the end of the week probably anyway. gotta run for a while now, bbl.
17:53	o_cee	one problem with the current bar is that it's very confusing if you pause a show that just started.. it jumps back and forth alot.. that isn't a problem with a timeline that's the length of the show from the beginning, and shifts colors
17:53	o_cee	Captain_Murdoch: okay, ttyl
18:01	mikegrb	o_cee: have you used native alsa support?
18:01	o_cee	mikegrb: i tried it i think
18:01	mikegrb	heh
18:01	mikegrb	I need to look at the code
18:01	mikegrb	been too busy
18:02	mikegrb	gives an error and says can't open OSS audio device
18:02	mikegrb	was a clean compile
18:03	o_cee	wonder where thor is
18:04	mikegrb	ski trip
18:04	mikegrb	with high school or college or work friends
18:04	mikegrb	and no wifes ;)
18:05	o_cee	ooooooh, nice :)
18:06	o_cee	osd theme possibilities seem very nice..
18:07	mikegrb	:D
18:08	o_cee	alltho i would like to at least try the other kind of bar :) Chutt? feel like you could trow it together real quick? heheh, not even sure if i dare to ask that
18:10	mikegrb	you have that link handy?
18:11	o_cee	to?
18:12	mikegrb	the one with the pause bar
18:12	o_cee	http://www.freytechnologies.com/stvscreenshots.html that one?
18:12	o_cee	yeah look there
18:12	o_cee	fifth from above
18:12	o_cee	i really like it and think it could work really well
18:14	mikegrb	you want something like that for livetv instead of just pre-recorded? do I understand you right
18:14	o_cee	wah?
18:14	o_cee	when pausing
18:14	mikegrb	the existing code can do something very close for pre-recorded
18:14	mikegrb	right
18:14	mikegrb	when pausing
18:14	o_cee	ah yeah but i mean for live
18:14	mikegrb	gotcha
18:14	mikegrb	I do kind of like that
18:15	o_cee	yeah it might take a day to get used to
18:16	mikegrb	guy moving in has an AP
18:17	mikegrb	so we can put I already have one
18:17	mikegrb	can put one at each end of the second floor :D
18:17	mikegrb	I have the existing AP on a vlan with the router
18:17	mikegrb	blocked port 25 outbound and no wep with a ssid of OPEN :)
18:17	o_cee	ap?
18:17	mikegrb	wireless access point
18:17	o_cee	oh
18:18	mikegrb	free public internet access within 300ft of me :)
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18:31	Chutt	o_cee, the problem is, those kind of bars don't work at all for live-tv
18:31	o_cee	why not?
18:31	Chutt	because it only shows one show
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18:31	Chutt	and if you've been watching for longer than that, it doesn't work at all
18:32	o_cee	damn
18:32	monkyBox	where can I read about the meaning of the icons in the "Select a recording to view" screen?
18:32	o_cee	you're right.. thinking
18:32	Chutt	monkyBox, in the #mythtv-users channel, of course
18:33	o_cee	Chutt: you have to admit that having that channel is nice ;)
18:36	monkyBox	:-)
18:36	o_cee	so what do you say.. got any other suggestions?
18:38	o_cee	i think that the current bar is kind of confusing as to what it refers to (buffer fill).. but i dunno
18:42	o_cee	it could work like this: timebar as the one you don't like.. shows the current program. if you've watched stuff before that it's indicated some way like an arrow or something. if you skip back, beyong the left limit, it jumps into the other show from the right and creates a new bar (the previous program).. that _could_ work i think
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18:59	o_cee	no?
19:01	Chutt	i dunno
19:01	Chutt	lotta work
19:01	o_cee	:/
19:01	Chutt	lotta more info to be shown on screen
19:01	Chutt	and it still has to look ok at 320x240
19:02	hadees	does anyone have digital cable and have a backend that has multple inputs?
19:02	stoffel	anyone using that? i thought my 640x512 was already low-res.
19:03	o_cee	dunno what to say.. too bad, heh
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19:15	o_cee	ok then another thing.. when you switch channels, there's a simple indicator telling your how long into the program you are.. like a simple bar that's filled.. only me who'd find that useful?
19:17	anduin	hadees - yes
19:19	stoffel	o_cee: iirc it's been proposed in the past, showing when the current show will end.
19:20	o_cee	stoffel: guess it's of more use for us, as we don't have all 30-mins blocks
19:21	stoffel	30 min blocks are boring ;)
19:21	o_cee	heh
19:27	o_cee	is it possible to have two images in one container with different 'fademovement'? hmm guess i'm to tired for this
19:36	hadees	aduin: how do you handle changing the channel? i want to get digital cable but i have a backend with 3 inputs
19:38	anduin	hadees - with a serial cable?
19:38	hadees	i looked through the mailing list and my cable box doesn't do serial
19:39	hadees	i need like an ir transmitter with like tape or somthing on top of it...
19:39	anduin	hadees - you can use lirc to do it as well
19:39	hadees	so i can have 3 boxes
19:39	hadees	3 digital cable boxes next to each other with out them changing each other
19:40	hadees	i was just wondering if anyone got that working so i could get some tips on how to do it
19:40	anduin	are you sure your box doesn't do serial?
19:40	hadees	the mailing list didn't seem like it would
19:40	hadees	its an Explorer 2200
19:42	hadees	nm thats my parents it has an ir in, i can't remember the one my cable company uses
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19:57	o_cee	http://trekotor.se/mythtv/idea2b.png <-- timebar, whatcha say?
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19:58	stoffel	nice, but both boxes look quite large, esp. the height.
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20:00	stoffel	whooshh (that's the sound of one hour passing by with light-speed)
20:00	o_cee	heh, wow :)
20:00	stoffel	i'm soo tired now ;)
20:01	o_cee	stoffel: yeah but we have pretty large descs here
20:01	stoffel	so they'll be resized depending on the description?
20:01	o_cee	but they could be a little smaller
20:01	o_cee	don't think that's possible
20:02	mikegrb	o_cee: I like that
20:02	stoffel	and the time-bar is to show how far one is into the current show?
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20:04	o_cee	yeah, correct
20:05	o_cee	and that is northern sweden you're seeing, i'm in southern ;)
20:05	mikegrb	heh
20:05	stoffel	brrr, still cold there
20:06	mikegrb	It's 8PM and 65F, 18C here
20:06	mikegrb	:D
20:07	mikegrb	was hot today
20:07	mikegrb	still have the AC on
20:07	o_cee	3AM and 4C here
20:07	stoffel	mikegrb: will you stop it? ;)
20:07	o_cee	rained today
20:07	o_cee	heh
20:07	mikegrb	and we live near the beach!
20:08	GreyFoxx	Cool timebar
20:08	o_cee	heh
20:08	o_cee	:)
20:09	o_cee	just an idea
20:09	GreyFoxx	I'd like to have one that shows up when you first fire up live tv or pull up info on the current show
20:10	o_cee	?
20:10	hadees	i want a news ticker so i can watch my stocks and see the news while i watch the simpsons
20:11	mikegrb	nah simpsons are much more important
20:11	GreyFoxx	o_cee sorry, that was meant for a msg to someone else :)
20:11	o_cee	hadees: there's newsticker already
20:11	hadees	there is? when was that added?
20:11	hadees	and where is it
20:12	o_cee	look at the uhm
20:12	o_cee	mythnotify
20:12	o_cee	in contrib
20:12	hadees	is this in .14 or cvs?
20:13	o_cee	dunno, cvs i guess
20:13	o_cee	but it could be in .14 as well
20:13	mikegrb	I think it was in .14
20:14	hadees	i remember hearing about it now, i didn't know it was done, how does it look good? (i am far away from my mythbox right now)
20:15	o_cee	never tried it
20:19	o_cee	g'nite all, getting late
20:20	stoffel	night!
20:22	mikegrb	'night o_cee
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20:26	DrewZ	Any one able to run MFD out of the currect CVS??? I get errors complaining about "glib c not found when trying to start it.... MFD compiled ok???? Any Thoughts???
20:28	mikegrb	omg??
20:28	stoffel	mikegrb: yes?
20:29	mikegrb	no????
20:31	stoffel	<lame_joke>you called my name?<lame_joke_not_intended_to_offend_religious_people>
20:31	mikegrb	;)
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20:36	hadees	anyone recommend an ir blaster that has an out line so you can plug it into a ir port on a cable box
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22:12	tale	Hello all
22:13	tale	what's the topic tonight/
22:13	tale	?
22:15	tale	so what does every body think about my boy George W.?
22:15	tale	He's doing a great job, eh?
22:15	tale	I thought so!
22:16	tale	What do I have to do to get somebody to talk to me?
22:16	tale	lol
22:16	tale	oh well
22:16	tale	later
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