TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#mythtv:2004:03:23

---	Log	opened Tue Mar 23 00:00:51 2004
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00:22	thor	hmmm, lists should have a cutdown option so they are only as wide as the longest node
00:22	thor	text of the longest node
00:23	thor	and it needs to vary by depth
00:23	thor	hmmmmmmm
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01:06	bitbyte	is there any way to make it go straight to the epg when i select "watch live tv" ?
02:16	Sir-Al	what's better for mythtv, a 1.1ghz celeron or a p3 733mhz coppermine?
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09:55	Killerbun	the "length" variable in mythmusic's database, does it represent the length of the track in some way ?
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09:59	o_cee	i'd guess it's how many millimeters of physical space it occupies on your harddrive
10:00	Killerbun	?
10:01	Killerbun	im programming a bit of php, and wanna convert it to human readable.
10:01	o_cee	no? well then it's probably the length of the song
10:01	o_cee	check mm source
10:02	Killerbun	mm ?
10:02	o_cee	mythmusic
10:03	Killerbun	=/
10:04	Killerbun	its in millisec's
10:09	o_cee	mythweb/mythmusic.php <-- has the code you want as well
10:11	Killerbun	i found out my self ;)
10:11	Killerbun	thanks anyways.
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12:03	AriT93	is there still a patch for mplayer to play the .nuv files?
12:04	sfr	yes, but it's not updated anymore. i build mplayer 1.0pre3 with it and the patch applied cleanly though.
12:04	AriT93	where can I dl the patch I have been googling like mad and cant find it
12:06	sfr	don't know. but i could dcc you the one i used.
12:06	AriT93	not sure if dcc will come through but that would be great
12:08	sfr	doesn't seem to work. look here: http://sfr.dyndns.org/mythtv/
12:08	bitbyte	howdy herr sfr
12:09	sfr	hi bitbyte
12:09	AriT93	excellent thank you very much!
12:09	sfr	err. hi mr. bitbyte of course!
12:09	bitbyte	how are you today?
12:09	sfr	fine
12:10	sfr	bitbyte: shouldn't you be working hard?
12:10	bitbyte	i'm pretending
12:10	bitbyte	ssshhhh
12:10	bitbyte	i've been in meetings all morning
12:11	bitbyte	i just ordered an ATI Remote Wonder
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12:11	bitbyte	and wa looking at quiet case fans
12:11	bitbyte	hehe
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12:11	bitbyte	putting the finaly touches on my myth box
12:11	bitbyte	final
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12:12	sfr	bitbyte: sounds like a though job you have. where should i send my application to? ;)
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12:12	bitbyte	you dont wanna work here, we don't get 234234234 days of vacation a year
12:12	sfr	g
12:13	bitbyte	:)
12:13	bitbyte	i'm a systems analyst
12:13	bitbyte	sitting at a PC typgin is what i do all day
12:13	bitbyte	and i can do this and other things at the same time
12:13	bitbyte	hehe
12:14	sfr	creating fancy-looking reports about things everyone already knows? me hides
12:14	bitbyte	hell no
12:14	bitbyte	i don't do reports
12:14	bitbyte	if they wanna know, they can look themselves
12:14	bitbyte	:)
12:15	bitbyte	i was wondering something the other day
12:15	bitbyte	can i msg you a question?
12:15	sfr	sure bitbyte
12:28	bitbyte	I'd like to make some changes to the menuing. Can someone point me in the right direction on how to go about doing this?
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12:29	Chutt	edit the various xml files in /usr/local/share/mythtv/
12:29	thor	updatedb; locate mainmenu.xml
12:30	bitbyte	When I select "Watch TV" I'd like Myth to go to the EPG you get when hitting M while watching live TV. Is this doable?
12:31	bitbyte	rather than going to the last channel i was on, then hitting M
12:31	thor	nope (4th law of thermodynamics)
12:31	bitbyte	clarify?
12:31	thor	every action is impossible
12:31	bitbyte	haha
12:31	bitbyte	ok
12:32	bitbyte	also I'd like ot be able to go directly from live tv to the recorded shows playbakc menu with a button on the remote.
12:32	kvandivo	unless, of course, the action is something you don't want to happen, and then it is inevitable
12:32	thor	5th law
12:32	bitbyte	yeah, i get that a lot kvandico
12:33	bitbyte	kvandivo*
12:33	bitbyte	are there any obvious reasons why either of these wouldn't be possible?
12:34	thor	aside from the 4th law ?
12:34	bitbyte	yes
12:34	bitbyte	and 5th
12:35	thor	don't think you can get right from XML to jump points yet, you'll probably have to fiddle with C++ code a bit
12:35	bitbyte	ok
12:36	bitbyte	i'll have a look at the xml tonight
12:36	bitbyte	sounds like it's going to be a steep learning curve
12:37	bitbyte	thanks for the help
12:37	thor	yup
12:44	thor	Chutt, you got a second ?
12:44	Chutt	i've got 15 minutes
12:45	thor	more than enough
12:45	thor	in the UILIstBttn thingy
12:45	Chutt	ok
12:45	thor	was planning on implementing a show() and hide() function
12:45	thor	just set a flag for the moment
12:45	thor	but eventually they would fade out , fade in
12:45	thor	make sense ?
12:45	Chutt	sure
12:45	thor	up in the lib
12:46	thor	abviously
12:46	Chutt	there's a setVisible, isn't there?
12:46	thor	obviously
12:46	thor	hmm , probably
12:46	thor	k
12:46	Chutt	but, sounds fun
12:46	thor	either or, I'll figure it out
12:46	thor	think I have a plan for playback UI
12:46	Chutt	cool.
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12:49	thor	also, I _think_ I want UIListGenercTree's to ab able to gave just plain old GenericTree's as sub nodes
12:49	thor	to be
12:49	Chutt	i don't see a reason for that
12:49	thor	well .... GenericTree is more generic
12:49	thor	:-)
12:49	Chutt	the uilistgenerictree is just a direct inheritor, and it stores some gui state info
12:49	Chutt	and that's all, really
12:50	thor	hmmm ... will have to think about it some more, but here's the reason
12:50	thor	the mfd client lib builds, sorts and hands over a GenericTree
12:50	thor	it could build, sort, and hand over a UIListGenericTree
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12:51	thor	but another client may not want the GUI stuff
12:51	thor	it may just want the Generic Tree
12:51	thor	I dunno
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12:51	Chutt	well
12:51	Chutt	it wouldn't be hard to do that
12:52	Chutt	use a generictree instance for it
12:52	Chutt	just have to change some assumptions
12:52	Chutt	the uilistgenerictree doesn't have to have all the info filled in, too
12:53	thor	then again, don't want to end up in a situation where you need to do a cast on every draw of every item just to figure out how to draw it
12:53	thor	so I dunno
12:53	Chutt	well
12:53	Chutt	let's use the music stuff as an example
12:53	Chutt	if you wanted to set an icon for each item
12:53	Chutt	like the current stuff does
12:54	Chutt	or set it to be checkable or not, etc
12:54	thor	then it does have to be a UIListGenericTree
12:54	Chutt	right
12:54	Chutt	so you'd have to go through your big huge 20k item generictree and convert to uilistgenerictree's
12:54	thor	in any case
12:55	Chutt	while if it were uilistgenerictree's in the first place, you'd just have to walk the tree and fill in any missing info that the client lib didn't provide
12:55	thor	right, ok ... easier to just ignore the extra information in a setting where you don't need it
12:55	Chutt	anything else _can_ just treat it as a generictree item
12:55	thor	so, the client lib should build, sort, and hand over UIListGenericTree's
12:55	thor	right, ok
12:56	Chutt	hrm
12:56	Chutt	i dunno
12:56	Chutt	tricky :p
12:56	thor	heh
12:56	Chutt	what about stuff like the current music tree, where it uses subclasses for all that?
12:56	Chutt	hrm
12:57	Chutt	could conceivably get rid of those subclasses and just store it as a type field in the uilistgenerictree class
12:57	thor	I dunno, maybe GenericTree itself should be a little beefier
12:57	thor	or yeah, what you said
12:57	Chutt	well, i'm using it for the osd code too, remember
12:57	Chutt	so it should be generic enough for that and the ui code
12:57	thor	hmmmm
12:58	Chutt	heh
12:58	Chutt	phone interview in a few minutes
12:58	thor	ok, we can pick this up later
12:58	thor	good luck
12:58	Chutt	eh
12:58	Chutt	not who i want to work for, but =)
12:58	Chutt	axel thimm said the presentation at cebit went really well
12:58	thor	cool
12:59	sfr	did he show the german translations?
12:59	Chutt	i don't know
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12:59	sfr	well, i don't think. ;)
12:59	Chutt	all right
13:00	Chutt	i'm ready for stupid brainteaser interview questions
13:00	sfr	good luck for the interview(s)
13:00	thor	maybe they'll ask about generic trees ...
13:00	thor	(hint: 42)
13:03	Chutt	hrm
13:04	Chutt	here we go, fun time
13:04	thor	now was that 1 pm eastern, central. mountain, or pacific ?
13:04	thor	heh
13:05		* thor is just happy he wasn't vacuuming this time
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13:24	Chutt	that was a good interview
13:24	Chutt	quick, to the point, and no stupid questions
13:26	bma	redhat?
13:26	Chutt	ms
13:26	bma	ah
13:29	Chutt	redhat's wanting to fly me out next week or so
13:29	thor	cool
13:30	Chutt	still nothing in cleveland :(
13:30	thor	sound lab/interesting or grunt/dull ?
13:30	Chutt	i dunno
13:34	Chutt	i hope whoever it was that called during the interview calls me back
13:34	Chutt	hrmph
13:36	Chutt	it was probably just some random person wanting to make a mythtv box as usual
13:36	thor	heh, you know, you should sell those
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14:08	knight-	4hey2hey Chutt, thor
14:08	knight-	doh
14:08	thor	eh (heh) ?
14:08	knight-	hey
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14:16	o_cee	Chutt: was that ms as in microsoft? muhahah
14:17	o_cee	freevo kiddie haven't replied yet
14:22	thor	o_cee, idea was just main playback UI dominated by information about current track ... left right goes to next track/album/playlist entry ... to change current info, menu brings up a UIList Tree thing ... once you've made a selection, the menu goes away
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14:24	o_cee	sounds good to me.
14:25	o_cee	not having buttons like shuffle, repeat, edit playlist and so on
14:25	o_cee	much better in a menu
14:25	thor	yup
14:26	thor	and you can wire accelerators to them .... you should be able to do everything with left/right/up/down, menu, ok, and back
14:26	o_cee	just some small textindication what the current state of random and repeat is
14:26	thor	but not have to
14:28	o_cee	i'd say that if you could operate stuff with the menu (with a playback control menu section) you could skip the buttons but it didn't seem like chutt liked that ;)
14:29	thor	heh
14:29	thor	well, buttons in blue theme
14:29	thor	but if someone were to produce a theme with no buttons in it ....
14:30	o_cee	yeah i guess icould remove them ;)
14:30	o_cee	uhm
14:31	o_cee	another thing i forgot about
14:31	o_cee	timeline
14:31	thor	yeah, definitely
14:31	o_cee	great
14:32	o_cee	how'd you operate it? you need special buttons for that, but i guess there's no other way ;)
14:33	o_cee	or M -> Do Timeline -> Left/right
14:33	o_cee	heh
14:33	o_cee	what a pita
14:33	thor	ah, no just for display
14:33	thor	(I was thinking)
14:33	o_cee	but
14:33	thor	unless I don't know what you mean by a "timeline"
14:33	o_cee	yeah but
14:33	o_cee	yeah
14:34	o_cee	if you ff/rev
14:34	o_cee	you'd see that of course
14:34	o_cee	:)
14:34	thor	right
14:34	o_cee	i thought about it when using a mouse
14:34	o_cee	like clicking in the middle
14:34	o_cee	wich you of course can't
14:34	thor	want mouse .... use iTunes (at least for the time being)
14:35	o_cee	yeah hehe i just meant i didn't think about the timeline beeing on a tv
14:35	o_cee	hmm, also you could put a info popup with ALL availible useless info about the track
14:35	o_cee	on "i"
14:36	thor	eventually, yes
14:36	o_cee	would want that for watch recordings and live-tv as well ;) but with the full desc
14:43	o_cee	thor: what about visualisations then?
14:43	o_cee	there's some awesome stuff for like winamp but i dunno if any of them are gpl'd or whatever
14:44	thor	heh
14:44	thor	well .... dunno
14:44	o_cee	i don't use them anymore.. goom sometimes
14:44	thor	eyecandy _is_ important
14:45	o_cee	sure, but compared to other eyecandy availible, goom isn't that impressive
14:45	thor	well, I think most people would rate it above spinning gears
14:45	thor	:-0
14:46	sfr	hm, goom not impressive? i don't believe you, o_cee ;)
14:46	o_cee	heh, sfr, there's some amazing stuff out there
14:47	o_cee	http://winamp.com/plugins/details.php?id=138849 <-- i mean look at that
14:47	sfr	screenshots, screenshots!
14:47	kvandivo	remember the old 'dazzle' program from the DOS days?
14:48	sfr	o_cee: i like goom better
14:48	bitbyte	i find all the visualizations annoying
14:49	bitbyte	but im in the minoiryt i'm sure
14:50	o_cee	heh, they recommend minimum a gf3
14:50	o_cee	http://r4.rabidhamster.org/scenes.php
14:51	thor	someone should write a visualization that does AI speach recognition on the vocals, and switches channels on the TV to the closest subject matter that the vocals are talking about
14:51	thor	also, it should order you pizza
14:53	thor	Chutt, so are we any closer to resolution on the "should everything be a UIListGenericTree object" question ?
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15:56	Griffon26	I know this is not a support channel, so I won't ask for a solution. I only want to know if it is currently possible to use MythTV with native ALSA and a 2.6 kernel without having the OSS compatibility stuff in the kernel.
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17:51	_rkulagow	don't you love supply and demand? the $69 PVR-250 card at z-buy is now $87.
17:53	bitbyte	huh?
17:53	bitbyte	the hauppauge for 87?
17:53	bitbyte	this i gotta see
17:53	sfr	too cheap?
17:53	_rkulagow	http://www.z-buy.com/product.asp?item=VG-HA32552
17:54	_rkulagow	free ship, no tax. only question is: is it compat with ivtv, or is it one that has the cx88 on it? odds are if it's an OEM model it's not the latest one, so it should work fine. i guess i'll find out in a day or so.
17:55	kvandivo	be sure to let us know. :) my gf is looking for one
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17:56	kvandivo	WinTV-PVR-250MCE has the best video quality of any Media Center TV tuner, plus adds FM radio.
17:56	_rkulagow	sure. i've purchased from z-buy before and didn't have a problem with the buy, so we'll see what happens when they get flooded by MythTV'ers. (as they obviously did, since they raised the price pretty quick between last night and today)
18:03	bitbyte	it's the oem one
18:03	bitbyte	it's in between the 250 and 350
18:03	bitbyte	no remote
18:03	bitbyte	nice price
18:04	kikov	bitbyte: 350! :)
18:05	bitbyte	this is half the price of the 350
18:05	bitbyte	and i already have a remote
18:05	bitbyte	is there support for the FM tuner tho i wonder
18:05	bitbyte	it's specifically made for XPMCE
18:09	bitbyte	afaik it uses the same encoder as te 350
18:09	bitbyte	simply has no decoder
18:09	bitbyte	or remote
18:09	bitbyte	the other nice thing is it doesnt need a dongle for svideo
18:12	bitbyte	rkulagow
18:13	bitbyte	it's the Conexant -416 MPEG
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18:17	bitbyte	man
18:17	bitbyte	nothing on google bout it and linux
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19:41	Chutt	hrmph
19:49	CanadaBoy	i wonder is z-buy shipps to canada ?
19:51	CanadaBoy	i need to find one in canada
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19:57	harryo	I want to post a patch for mythfilldatabase to use tv_grab_na_dd. Can someone answer a quick question?
19:58	harryo	anybody out there?
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21:45	Captain_Murdo	\| harryo needs to stick around for more than a couple minutes in one room and he might get his question answered.
21:46	thor	can't talk, chasing harryo
21:49	_rkulagow	captain_murdoch: i've been trying to catch up with _you_ the last few days...
21:50	Captain_Murdo	\| thor, I see he went ahead and posted his patch on -users.
21:50	Captain_Murdo	\| _rkulagow: what did I do this time? :)
21:50	_rkulagow	that issue where it's playing right into the commercials thing has come back.
21:51	Captain_Murdo	\| ahh, forgot about that when I went out of town.
21:51	Captain_Murdo	\| so it's not honoring the cutlist and it playing right into the cut portion?
21:52	_rkulagow	pretty much, and it's the same symptoms as last time (requires me to import the skiplist into the cutlist and then start tweaking)
21:54	_rkulagow	bbl.
21:54	Captain_Murdo	\| ok. I'll try to reproduce if I can.
21:55	thor	Chutt, I'm going to go ahead and have the client lib use UIListGenericTree objects
21:59	Chutt	makes the most sense to me
21:59	thor	yup
21:59	thor	and in any other context, you can ignore the extra info (just pretend it's a genricTree object)
22:00	Chutt	right
22:00	thor	about to commit show() hide(), toggleShow(), isShowing(), isHidden(), etc.
22:00	thor	and a calculateScreenArea() for UILIstBtn
22:00	Chutt	ok
22:00	Chutt	auto-sizing?
22:01	thor	calculateScreenArea() has to be done for each UIType to figure out how much space it takes up in actual screen co-ordinates
22:01	thor	otherwise refresh() doesn't work
22:01	thor	and you end up having to do updateForeground()
22:01	Chutt	ah
22:02	thor	(although I've just changed refresh() to give a warning
22:02	thor	)
22:02	Chutt	anyway, cool.
22:02	thor	well, they don't do much ... binary show/hide ... but adding fade shouldn't be hard
22:08	mikegrb	I got baby pictures!
22:09	thor	wow, I thought heidi was something like 3 months pregnant
22:09	thor	ah, ultrasound ?
22:10	mikegrb	http://heidi.thegrebs.com :D
22:10	mikegrb	heh yes
22:11	thor	they all look like aliens at that age
22:11	thor	GEN seems to be unflagged
22:11	mikegrb	thor: indeed
22:11	thor	(NB, always bothered me that GE cannot use the correct term for sex in their user interface)
22:11	mikegrb	heh
22:12	mikegrb	I have this weird desire that blood tests show an increased chance of spinabefida(sp!) or some other problem
22:12	thor	so, boy, girl, or purposely don't know ?
22:12	mikegrb	then we get one of the spiffy 4D ultrasounds, have you seen sample images from those? they are frik'n amazing
22:12	mikegrb	too early
22:12	thor	ah
22:12	mikegrb	find out in about 2 more months or so
22:13	thor	this was not the 20 week ultasound ?
22:13	mikegrb	right
22:13	mikegrb	this was 10 week
22:13	thor	ah yeah
22:14	thor	see four little pixels beeping on and off?
22:14	mikegrb	http://www.gemedicalsystems.com/rad/us/4d/thennow.html
22:14	mikegrb	heh yes
22:14	mikegrb	that was pretty amazing
22:14	thor	very cool
22:14	mikegrb	and the heart rate thing did by sight rather then sound
22:14	mikegrb	drew a box around it and it drew a wave form, select to peaks and it calulates the period
22:14	thor	heh
22:15	mikegrb	those 4d ultrasounds are just amazing
22:15	thor	.... and they still think gender is a term for sex
22:15	mikegrb	heh
22:16	nulltank	should i be using the kernel (2.4.x) v4l2 drivers or the latest download version?
22:16	thor	dunno, what week is your wife's pregnancy at ?
22:29	thor	bah, lib changes take too long to compile
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23:13	bitbyte	hi billy
23:32	billytwowilly	\| howdy
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