TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#mythtv:2004:03:22

---	Log	opened Mon Mar 22 00:00:21 2004
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02:18	o_cee	stupid fool GeckoFiend, my e-mail is in that file.. heh
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04:25	knight-	yoh
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06:32	o_cee	me?
06:34	o_cee	thor: you asleep?
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09:14	John-Kimble	hello all
09:15	John-Kimble	anyone know of any video test suits for linux simular to THX optimzer thats on most dvds ?
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09:27	o_cee	i hope that was meant for another channel
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10:42	jcdutton	Where is the howto on mythtv ?
10:43	jcdutton	I just need to get the database going.
10:46	bitbyte	go to #myth-users
10:47	bitbyte	one of these days i'll actually know enough about myth to contribute something to the codebase
10:47	jcdutton	bitbyte: I found the docs.
10:51	jcdutton	the docs are not very good. I get errors running the commands they tell me to type in, and the docs give no idea what to do if an error appears.
10:53	o_cee	right
10:53	o_cee	first, take this to #mythtv-users
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11:50	shorawitz	anyone here had probs w/native lirc and myth-cvs?
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12:00	shorawitz	no one here?
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12:15	shorawitz	the lights are on, but nobody's home
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12:19	Shdw_Work	morning, folks
12:21	Shdw_Work	I realize the AIW issue has been beat to death, and I cannot use it for recording... but can I use a TV-wonder to input the signal on, and just use an AIW to send the TV/recording to my tv?
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12:22	Shdw_Work	it appears from the mailing lists that this has in fact been done, just wanted to make sure I was reading correctly.
12:25	shorawitz	Shdw, not sure about your Q. I haven't heard a peep out of anyone here for the last 30 mins or so
12:25	Shdw_Work	and another question - are there drivers available for the original Creative Labs DVD encoder card, and will it make any difference on a 1Ghz Athlon for doing DVD playback?
12:28	shorawitz	Shdw, in thinking about your TV-Out Q, I can't see that wouldn't work. If you can get X to display on the TV, then there's no reason Myth should not work.
12:28	shorawitz	u just won't have any decoding benefit
12:29	Shdw_Work	right, but that's what the tv-wonder is for
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12:32	Shdw_Work	god I hate the proxies here at work... kicks me off every 15 minutes.
12:33	shorawitz	I haven't read anything that would suggest you can gain any benefit from decoding + AIW
12:33	Shdw_Work	I haven't seen any mention of anyone trying to do Myth under Lunar linux... maybe I'll be the first.
12:34	Shdw_Work	still working on getting kde installed, but that should be done by this evening.
12:34	shorawitz	hum, haven't seen that distro. What are the key points/features of it?
12:35	shorawitz	I'm having issues with native lirc support. I can't seem to figure out why myth is using a particular dev file instead of what I have setup
12:36	shorawitz	for me, irw shows key presses. But Myth says "could not connect to socket"
12:38	Shdw_Work	lunar is based off the original sourcery linux - I just like the package manager, but it's not quite as polished as some distros
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12:45	Shdw_Work	anyone know where to find the best price on a PVR250? Anything available below $100?
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12:53	mdz	Shdw_Work: if tv-out works with your card, there's no reason you couldn't use it for output
12:54	mdz	but, see /topic
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12:55	shorawitz	mdz, u wouldn't happen to be running native lirc would u?
12:56	mdz	shorawitz: I don't use the receive side of lirc at all
12:56	shorawitz	ok, I'm hving probs with native lirc + myth. Seems myth doesn't see the socket file
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12:58	Shdw_Work	mdz: yep, caught that a little later... it's my first time to the channels, so I'm still finding my way around :-)
12:59	shorawitz	I guess I don't know how to use /topic either
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---	Log	opened Mon Mar 22 13:53:21 2004
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14:00	Chutt	heh
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14:43	o_c	Chutt: i tried the new mm stuff, looked kinda cool.. some updating issues when it's loading the database, seemed like it didn't display (loading) or whatever it says until i went down a step..
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14:44	Chutt	my machine's fast enough that it doesn't spend time loading, here
14:44	o_cee	yeah i've got pretty much stuff so it takes like 15 seconds or so
14:45	o_cee	but i could look more close at it in a while to be sure
14:49	o_cee	hmm, when doing it with exported display i don't get the same kind of delay.. odd. but that's probably that my network is so slow i don't see the screen until it's loaded
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15:12	thor	<o_cee> thor: you asleep?
15:12	thor	not at the moment
15:15	Chutt	heh
15:17	thor	so that signal thread stuff was suprisingly easy to do
15:18	Chutt	cool.
15:19	thor	now I'm going to make mfe use the new button list for options, content navigation
15:20	thor	then I have to figure out how to push back playlist changes
15:20	thor	and we're good to go
15:22	_rkulagow	furrfu.. "hi, i want custom programming for myth" "i'm a docs person, not the main programmer. contact isaac" "how do i do that? do you have his email? can you forward this email to him"
15:23	Chutt	what that thomas johnson?
15:24	_rkulagow	the same.
15:25	_rkulagow	i don't auto-delete those things because i'm not in a position to make decisions for you.
15:26	Chutt	heh
15:26	Chutt	thanks
15:26	kvandivo	are you saying that chutt doesn't have anything better to do right now than write custom software that other's might want?
15:26	Chutt	i generally tell people that i'm not really interested in doing contract work
15:26	_rkulagow	who knows; one of them might be a LUCRATIVE BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY.
15:26	Chutt	4. Uses MythTV or Freevo as a home PVR solution.
15:26	kvandivo	:)
15:27	Chutt	from a job posting for a 'software design engineer (intern)' position at hp
15:29	thor	eh?
15:30	Chutt	http://tinyurl.com/ypgc8
15:31	thor	heh
15:31	Chutt	that url work?
15:32	thor	yup
15:32	mdz	palo alto
15:32	thor	hmmm ... so what is HP up to in Palo Alto
15:32	Chutt	yeah
15:33	mdz	heh
15:33	mdz	they want someone who already has a degree and industry experience
15:33	mdz	to be an _intern_
15:33	Chutt	as an intern
15:33	Chutt	fairly funny
15:34	mdz	they'll probably get someone, too
15:34	mdz	lot of people out of work up there
15:36	thor	.... everybody and their uncle wants to own the little box next to the tv, wonder what they're playing at ?
15:36	Chutt	ask bdale
15:36	thor	he work there ?
15:36	Chutt	think so
15:36	thor	hmmm
15:37	mdz	the Debian folk that I know work at HP are out of Colorado
15:39	mdz	including bdale
15:39	Chutt	some big company needs to fund mythtv development
15:39	Chutt	then i could stop looking at crappy jobs
15:40	mdz	haven't you consistently said you didn't want to do mythtv as a job? :-P
15:40	Chutt	yeah, but, i need a paycheck
15:41	mdz	maybe HP would, if they're developing some sort of Linux multimedia initiative
15:42	Chutt	the email address that sent me that link was itdintern2004 at yahoo.
15:42	Chutt	well, not that specific link, but..
15:42	mdz	bdale: do you know what that position is about?
15:43	mdz	I got that too
15:43	mdz	looked like spam
15:43	mdz	deleted it
15:43	Chutt	yah, but i have my spam filters turned off
15:43	Chutt	since, i don't want to miss any potential job opportunities
15:43	mdz	bogofilter didn't think it looked like spam
15:43	mdz	but I did
15:44	mdz	did it come to you directly, or did it go through a mythtv list or something?
15:44	Chutt	not through the lists
15:44	nchip	I think bdale is travelling at the moment
15:44	mdz	nchip: a safe bet :-)
15:44	nchip	mdz: true :)
15:45	mdz	maybe it was spam sent to addresses harvested from a mythtv search or something
15:47	Chutt	culled from the howto or whatnot
15:52	nchip	technically it may not be spam (unsolicated _and_ bulk), but it still sounds somewhat greyhat
16:02	mdz	it was certainly unsolicited
16:02	mdz	and the fact that both of us received it points to bulk
16:03	mdz	but I don't think that "bulk" is a requirement for spam/UCE anyway
16:03	mdz	one spam is still spam
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16:18	p0lar69	ive got a myth system up and running. I just need pointers on getting the shows that I record to be recompressed to xvid/divx instead of the pvr250 mpg files. small HD syndrome 80 gig :)
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16:19	p0lar69	will the mythfrontend auto run mythtranscode? I could not find that option in the menus
16:35	mdz	p0lar69: /topic
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16:42	bdale	mdz: I don't know what that position is about, but working in HP Labs would be cool in most cases. I'm based in Colorado, and work out of my house when I'm not traveling.
16:42	bdale	nchip: I'm actually at home for a while... ;-) yes, I realize that's unusual...
16:42	mdz	bdale: thanks
16:44	bdale	the imaging systems folks at Labs are doing some neat stuff... saw some of the projects a couple of weeks ago when I was there for a business review thingy
16:45	mdz	bdale: it's interesting that they mention a project like mythtv specifically
16:45	thor	no idea what HPs plans are re: "We must own the digital convergence box"
16:45	thor	aside from the "Carly said it should work with iPods" ?
16:45	bdale	thor: I know nothing about product plans in that area
16:45	thor	hmm, ok
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16:48	p0lar69	ahhh sorry
16:48	p0lar69	my bad
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16:50	bdale	Chutt: you have a resume in with HP? jobs.hp.com
16:51	nchip	bdale: ah ok, must have remembered you leaving for an earlier trip or something
16:51	bdale	nchip: no worries... my travel schedule is tough for even me to keep up with.
16:51		* bdale points at the length blow-by-blow file on his notebook...
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16:56	dja_	ack - I hate FC1 -- is anyone else running current CVS on Fedora?
16:59	Chutt	naw, i don't have a resume in there
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17:01	dja_	Chutt: you don't know of a "quick fix" for gdb when I'm getting "Couldn't get registers: No such process." do you? mythmusic is crashing on me (after you're latest update), and gdb won't debug it :-(
17:01	Chutt	nope
17:01	Chutt	other than use a different os =)
17:01	dja_	yeah, that's why I added "quick fix"...:-)
17:02	Chutt	redhat does funky things to their kernel
17:02	dja_	funky is putting it nicely...
17:02	dja_	so would you think it was a kernel issue or compiler/libc/gdb issue? I'm willing to compile a "virgin" kernel if that might fix it...:-)
17:03	Chutt	i'm pretty sure it's just the use of the nptl
17:03	Chutt	for threads
17:03	Chutt	and that gdb doesn't really handle it yet
17:03	dja_	ahh
17:04	dja_	cool -- then a rebuild (w/o nptl) might work -- I'll try it. :-)
17:04	mdz	there are various ways of disabling that without reinstalling the OS
17:04	Chutt	right, a standard 2.4 kernel would probably do the trick
17:05	dja_	I was just looking into that...:-)
17:05	dja_	I also notice that redhat has gdb-5.3.90 and 6.0 is out...
17:05	thor	but given RedHat's propensity for just making up version numbers ...
17:06		* dja_ lol
17:06	dja_	yeah, if it weren't for kickstart, I would have abandoned RH a long time ago
17:06	Chutt	does it crash immediately, or?
17:07	Chutt	i haven't seen any problems with the new ui
17:07	thor	nope
17:07	Chutt	other than leandro bitching about it on -dev
17:07	thor	works fine even on crappy hardware here
17:07	dja_	no it crashes when I enter select music, it looks like just after the 2nd line goes from "CD -- none" to "Various Artists - KidzBop", then it crashes
17:08	Chutt	works ok if you don't have a cd in there?
17:08	dja_	what about on crappy software (oh yeah, that's my issue :-)
17:08	thor	doesn't want you to listen to KidzBop, of course
17:08	dja_	hmm -- I'll taking it out :-)
17:09	dja_	duh -- yup, works just fine...and the cd that's in there is very damaged (kids chewed on it)
17:10	Chutt	shouldn't matter
17:10	Chutt	i may be missing a lock in there
17:10	dja_	yeah - I have music back :-)
17:10	Chutt	it does work fine, here, with a cd in
17:12	dja_	hmm -- tried it with a different cd and get the same problem...I'll keep working on trying to get a working gdb going :-)
17:12	Chutt	ok
17:13	mdz	export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1
17:13	Chutt	actually, the locking for the cd stuff probably isn't correct anymore
17:13	dja_	thnx -- just found it (gotta love google)
17:18	dja_	Chutt: got it -- do you want me to mail to mythtv-dev, or would you rather grab it from my website?
17:18	dja_	(no fair fixing it before you look at my BT :-)
17:20	Chutt	doesn't matter to me
17:21	Chutt	i won't be able to fix it until later tonight possibly, anyway
17:21	dja_	no problem, I'll just dump it on mythtv-dev then. :-)
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17:44	o_cee	haven't you guys noticed that the menu on watch recordings isn't high enough when there's a sub-title? the cancel button doesn't fit.. guess i could find that myself and fix tho ;)
17:44	o_cee	thor: yeah, hi hi, my milkshake melted
17:44	thor	oh dear
17:44	o_cee	indeed
17:45	o_cee	no seriously, you said you'd have mfd stuff to try out
17:45	o_cee	got any?
17:45	o_cee	:)
17:45	thor	yup
17:45	thor	cvs
17:46	thor	it should, _without hiccups_ find any and all mfd's when they appear or disappear
17:46	o_cee	great
17:46	o_cee	too bad i can't really test it for you
17:46	thor	and you should be able to make mfd's cleanly disappear by CTRL-C'ing them
17:46	thor	or kill pid'ing them
17:46	o_cee	ah yeah that too
17:46	o_cee	i could try that
17:46	o_cee	oh, kenneth is back, heheh
17:47	thor	and the tree should not jump around as more data is added to it
17:47	thor	just in general, it should not be doing anything suprising
17:48	o_cee	allright
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18:42	o_cee	23/Mar/2004-00:42:53: signal thread plugin user hit CTRL-C (too lazy to run "mfdctl stop"?), will call mfd shutdown <-- cool :)
18:42	mikegrb	heh
18:43	mikegrb	lazy is always welcome
18:43	o_cee	yepp
18:44	mikegrb	googleisms++
18:47	thor	so works ok then ?
18:47	o_cee	seems like it
18:49	thor	starting stopping iTunes should make items/playlists appear dissappear in mfe without moving the tree at all
18:49	thor	that work at your end ?
18:50	o_cee	ah mfe getting it
18:50	thor	k
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18:59	bbeattie	anyone tried to compile mythmusic lately from cvs? bunch of parse errors on the new tree stuff.
18:59	thor	need CVS libmyth
18:59	bbeattie	is that a new cvs repos?
18:59	thor	err, cvs mythtv
19:00	bbeattie	yeah, have been using it for almost a year. :)
19:01	thor	you need _current_ mythtv cvs (which includes libmyth) to build current cvs mythmusic
19:01	o_cee	thor: yeah got stuff up and running..
19:02	bbeattie	ooh, dang, I thought I compiled the new stuff, looks like I compiled main mythtv a day before all those patches,
19:02	thor	o_cee, is X using like 25% CPU time while you play something and move around the tree in mfe ?
19:02	o_cee	thor: went into playlists, Oscar (itunes share).. then killed itunes.. and i wound up not in playlists but inside artists.. kinda odd
19:02	o_cee	lemme see
19:03	o_cee	thor: ah running exported display atm
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19:03	dja_	thor: you up for a stupid user question? if so, what's "Category" in mythvideo?
19:05	thor	o_cee, yeah it needs to jump _somewhere_ if current branch goes away
19:05	thor	but I should improve that
19:05	thor	dja_, Category ?
19:05	thor	filter stuff ?
19:06	o_cee	thor: yeah i'd excpect to wind up in the parent, in this case Playlists
19:06	thor	yup
19:06	thor	that's what it should do
19:06	thor	good
19:06	dja_	if you're in "Video Manager" and you select a number (0-9) to "Edit", one of the options is "Category", but I can't find anything that uses it
19:08	thor	o_cee, keep messing with it and please let me know if anything else weird happens
19:08	thor	dja_, hmmm
19:08	thor	I have no idea
19:08	thor	and I think I wrote it
19:09	dja_	ok :-)
19:09	thor	although that category popup doesn't seem familiar
19:09	thor	:-)
19:09	dja_	:-)
19:09	dja_	it's pretty nice, so you should take credit :-)
19:10	o_cee	thor: artists aren't sorted in any way.. :)
19:10	thor	right
19:10	thor	good
19:11	o_cee	if you say so
19:11	o_cee	:)
19:11	dja_	speaking of sorting: anyone else have problems with "Video List" not sorting properly? (Yes, I'm on a mythvideo kick today :-)
19:11	thor	heh, they will be ... but not bothering at the moment
19:11	thor	dja_, 0.14 ?
19:11	dja_	current cvs
19:12	dja_	it used to work, unfortunately I don't remember when it broke.
19:12	o_cee	thor: everything seems to be working here.. playlist id -1 means it isn't in any playlist?
19:12	thor	means you didn't play it from a playlist
19:13	o_cee	correct
19:13	thor	(it might be on a playlist, but the current selection was just the thing itself)
19:13	o_cee	also, it's not bps, it's kbps :)
19:13	thor	heh
19:14	thor	o_cee, exported display is a non Linux box ?
19:14	o_cee	yeah :\|
19:14	thor	k
19:16	o_cee	and playing from itunes share seems ok too, neat
19:16	thor	should be
19:16	thor	feel free to try and break it
19:16	o_cee	yeah, and chars like �� is working
19:16	o_cee	yeah i'm trying ;)
19:16	thor	only thing i _know_ breaks it is holding down the 2 button
19:17	o_cee	heh
19:17	thor	but there's a fix for that shortly
19:17	o_cee	okay
19:17	o_cee	mfd haven't read all files yet
19:18	thor	heh, this will be much less of an issue when it's just running 24/7 :-)
19:18	o_cee	yeah i know :)
19:19	thor	the amazing thing, it's still giving you playlists that include stuff it hasn't yet read
19:19		* thor pats himself on the back
19:19	o_cee	yeah
19:19	o_cee	hehehhehe
19:19	o_cee	:)
19:21	o_cee	annoying thing is that using tags doesn't handle albums very well..
19:21	thor	eh?
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19:22	o_cee	albums with many different artists
19:22	o_cee	gets scattered
19:22	thor	ah
19:22	thor	yeah
19:22	o_cee	like
19:22	o_cee	it could do some magic
19:22	thor	heh
19:22	o_cee	if there's an album with different artists
19:22	o_cee	just put it in Various
19:22	o_cee	(as artist)
19:24	thor	there's a db column for "compilation" now
19:24	thor	which could get used
19:24	o_cee	yeah i saw that
19:24	thor	hmm, I'll put this (somwhere fairly far down) on the to do list
19:25	o_cee	great ;)
19:25	o_cee	i'll just stick to directory structure
19:25	o_cee	in the meantime
19:25	o_cee	also, while redesigning the ui
19:25	o_cee	doing like 'artist - album' would be nice
19:25	o_cee	'artist - album tracks'
19:26	thor	in the final node that actually lists the track ?
19:26	o_cee	no the first one
19:26	thor	ah
19:26	thor	hmm
19:26	o_cee	instead of having Britney < two albums.. have Britney - First and Britney - Second
19:27	thor	that could become a very long list ...
19:27	o_cee	true
19:27	thor	user option probably
19:27	o_cee	but it's veeeery long as it is anyway because of the various artist album thing
19:28	thor	since the tree is getting assembled and (eventually) sorted in a completely seperate threas
19:28	o_cee	but that way you would have all actual albums listed
19:28	thor	err, thread
19:28	thor	I'm inclined to have the default be a _large_ tree that has many different paths to the content
19:28	o_cee	Chutt: you planning on putting albumart in the new screen? would look great
19:29	thor	then you can use accelerators to pop up the menu at predefined (non-root level) nodes
19:29	mikegrb	tree is falling
19:29	thor	didn't hear it
19:30	mikegrb	nope
19:32	knight-	hey
19:32	mikegrb	howdy knight-
19:33	knight-	hey mike
19:33	knight-	how's xbox myth treating you these days?
19:33	mikegrb	pretty well
19:33	knight-	how about ivtv cvs?
19:33	mikegrb	heh
19:34	knight-	;)
19:34	mikegrb	using a release of ivtv
19:34	knight-	0.1.9?
19:34	mikegrb	works just excelent
19:34	mikegrb	umm I'd have to look and see
19:35	mikegrb	0.1.9
19:35	knight-	i'm the proud owner of a sony 50" grand wega rear proj lcd now :)
19:35	knight-	and the sony hd-300 receiver
19:35	mikegrb	I have a 250 rather then a 350 so it works fine for me
19:35	mikegrb	oh, nice
19:35	knight-	ahh yeah
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19:35	mikegrb	I have a 46" crt rear proj
19:35	knight-	my 350 hangs my system with 0.1.9 :)
19:36	mikegrb	:/
19:36	knight-	sony?
19:36	mikegrb	of course ;)
19:36	knight-	yay!
19:36	knight-	i didnt know there was a 46"
19:36	mikegrb	widescreen > *
19:36	knight-	my neighbor has a 42"
19:36	knight-	i have the 50"
19:36	knight-	didnt know there was any in between
19:36	knight-	you have last year's XBR? or this years Grand Wega?
19:36	mikegrb	xbr
19:37	knight-	last year?
19:37	mikegrb	yes
19:37	knight-	awesome
19:37	knight-	but that has DLP right?
19:38	mikegrb	nah not the 46", it is crt projection
19:38	knight-	eh? really?
19:38	mikegrb	aye
19:38	knight-	CRT and not CCD or DLP?
19:38	mikegrb	crt
19:38	mikegrb	I would prefer dlp
19:38	mikegrb	be lighter :D
19:38	knight-	yeah that seems weird to me
19:39	mikegrb	got a great deal though
19:39	knight-	i thought you couldnt have crt in a rear proj
19:39	mikegrb	yes
19:39	knight-	oh wait
19:39	knight-	duh
19:39	mikegrb	;)
19:39	knight-	you dont have rear proj lcd
19:39	knight-	:)
19:39	mikegrb	heh
19:39	knight-	i thought you said you had rear proj lcd like i do, so i was confused when you said crt :)
19:40	mikegrb	we got $200 off the price because we took one that someone else bought, they delivered it and the people didn't want it
19:40	knight-	haha
19:40	mikegrb	sony was doing a promotion at the time so we got the $200 stand for free as well
19:40	mikegrb	worked out well
19:40	knight-	oh thats real nice too
19:40	mikegrb	yes
19:40	knight-	well if you ever upgrade, go ccd, not dlp
19:41	knight-	same price now
19:41	mikegrb	just got a pvr card about a month ago, really makes a noticable improvement on this tv
19:41	knight-	ahh
19:41	mikegrb	I think we are likely to keep this one for as close to forever as it lasts
19:41	knight-	what were you using before?
19:42	mikegrb	though a projector is probably in the future for movies and watching spiffy shows with company
19:42	mikegrb	bttv based card
19:42	knight-	ahh yuck
19:42	knight-	i love my pvrs
19:42	knight-	although
19:42	o_cee	i got 200 SEK discount when i bought my rear speakers today because my front speakers wasn't threaded (right word?) so i couldn't put one of them on spikes.. got a discount if i fixed it myself ;)
19:42	knight-	now i dont know what to do about hd
19:43	knight-	my entertainment system is getting too complex :(
19:43	o_cee	knight-: nevah!
19:43	mikegrb	heheh
19:43	thor	o_cee, you going to be up for a while ?
19:43	mikegrb	o_cee: threaded, yes right
19:43	knight-	2 satellite receivers (one hd receiver, one directivo), my STR-3000ES receiver, my CX777ES dvd changer, monster power, etc
19:43	o_cee	thor: maybe a lil while yeah
19:43	o_cee	mikegrb: cool ;) wasn't sure
19:43	knight-	well by complicated, i mean that it's becoming too much work to change sources and wire everything
19:44	knight-	i really wanted everything to go through myth
19:44	knight-	:)
19:44	mikegrb	o_cee: probably a better word but it conveys what you are trying to get across
19:44	thor	o_cee, ok, wanna try mfe <--> mfd transatlantic ?
19:44	knight-	whats mfe?
19:44	o_cee	thor: sure
19:44	knight-	btw, i want to also :)
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19:45	o_cee	thor: i've got my mfd open on that non-standard port you know
19:45	thor	k, gimme 5 minutes
19:45	John-Kimble	hello all
19:45	John-Kimble	anyone here seen any linux alternatives for video patern generators ?
19:45	John-Kimble	Simular to the ones THX puts on its dvds ?
19:45	o_cee	John-Kimble: wrong channel again
19:46	knight-	o_cee, what is mfe? how does it differ from mfd?
19:46	josephk	I'm a cop you idiot!
19:46	o_cee	knight-: mfe is the client
19:47	knight-	inside backend?
19:47	o_cee	knight-: no, frontend
19:47	o_cee	josephk: ?
19:47	knight-	oh i see
19:47	mikegrb	josephk: I'm going to ask you some questions and I want them answered
19:47	josephk	immediately!
19:48	mikegrb	heh
19:48	mikegrb	josephk++
19:48	Chutt	dja never posted that backtrace
19:48	Chutt	hrm
19:49	o_cee	Chutt: you ever read scrollback?
19:49	Chutt	nope
19:49	o_cee	thought so ;)
19:50	o_cee	you planning on adding albumart on the new select music screen? could be neat
19:50	Chutt	i wasn't
19:50	Chutt	but, maybe
19:50	o_cee	it could be a nice addition..
19:50	Chutt	the current album art stuff's really just tacked on
19:51	Chutt	i'll see, though
19:51	o_cee	yeah it would need a rework, like to be able to use another viz if there's no albumart for instance
19:51	josephk	Who is your daddy?
19:51	thor	Chutt, I was thinking large display area for current track
19:51	josephk	...and what does he do?
19:51	thor	with big area for viz/album art
19:52	thor	and navigation is a UIBttnEtc menu
19:52	thor	but it pops up and then goes away
19:52	o_cee	and remove all those buttons as well
19:52	Chutt	for a playback interface?
19:52	Chutt	sure
19:52	thor	yup
19:52	Chutt	need buttons
19:52	o_cee	why?
19:52	Chutt	no buttons means 'why the hell is this screen for?'
19:52	Chutt	err, 'what'
19:53	thor	m for menu
19:53	Chutt	ui should be useable with arrow keys
19:53	o_cee	yeah but everyone that uses myth should have play/stop/pause/... mapped right?
19:55	Chutt	nope.
19:55	o_cee	well.. heh, no okay.. but.. argh :)
19:55	thor	menu includes Controls-->play, stop, etc
19:55	thor	but only total noobs would use it
19:55	thor	dunno
19:55	Chutt	can't make that assumption.
19:56	Chutt	need buttons on screen
19:56	o_cee	true but what about the way thors says?
19:56	o_cee	(me is lagging a bit)
19:56	mikegrb	lag is a contemporary disorder
19:58	Chutt	need buttons on screen
19:58	thor	heh, ok, small buttons
19:58	o_cee	tiny
19:58	o_cee	:)
19:58	josephk	no big
19:58	josephk	huge
19:59	o_cee	Chutt: i'd do a quick poll on -users, how many that's using it that way at the moment..
19:59	mikegrb	big is home? many educators surf the web on high speed connections provided by their educational institutions
19:59	dja_	Chutt: sorry, I'm not sure what happened (I'd swear I posted it)...anyway, it's at http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~alden/typescript
19:59	mikegrb	o_cee: nothing is quick on -users
20:00	o_cee	mikegrb: sorry, forgot, heh
20:00	mikegrb	;_
20:00	mikegrb	er ;)
20:03	josephk	anyone using ck's #92a?
20:04	thor	o_cee, will be gone for 15-20 minutes (dinner), mfd is up @ _mfdp._tcp on 208.185.11.50:2342
20:05	o_cee	mmmmmm
20:05	knight-	thor
20:05	knight-	can i test too?
20:14	o_cee	Chutt: got any idea how you'll do the playing screen? will you do it with a seperate playlist window that you can change to or something (to make room for other stuff)?
20:18	o_cee	WTF
20:18	o_cee	http://freevo.sourceforge.net/preview/
20:19	o_cee	isn't it very odd
20:19	josephk	hmmm
20:19	josephk	lol
20:19	o_cee	that they used the exact same pics that i did
20:19	o_cee	for example the music icons
20:19	josephk	"odd"
20:19	o_cee	there's like 10 different styles of them
20:20	o_cee	and there's a bunch of different images icons
20:20	mikegrb	o_cee: I agree
20:20	josephk	aren't those the ones you asked for permission to use?
20:20	o_cee	josephk: yeah
20:20	mikegrb	they stole them from o_cee
20:20	o_cee	checking their cvs now to see if there's any notes
20:20	mikegrb	the little freevo bishes
20:23	josephk	my osd looks good, but I'm not sure I want to share
20:23	josephk	lol
20:23	josephk	especially if it's going to end up in freevo
20:23	mikegrb	heheh
20:24	josephk	they call it blurr2
20:24	o_cee	i can't find it in cvs
20:25	josephk	I can't find anything in cvs
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