TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#mythtv:2004:03:17

---	Log	opened Wed Mar 17 00:00:15 2004
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00:11	G-funk\|laptop	\| pigeon: yes, master and slave backends
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00:15	pigeon	thanks... i just found it on the doco too.
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00:55	thor	Chutt, fix your X
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00:57	cmorgan	sbh: whoever wants to work on it ;-)
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02:51	knight-	ahoy thor, chutt
02:51	knight-	been a quiet day on #mythtv
02:52	pigeon	aye
02:54	knight-	man i gotta get off 0.1.9 ivtv
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03:02	knight-	yay http://sourceforge.net/projects/cx777es-rs232/
03:02	knight-	i gotta port it to linux now
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03:09	knight-	heh
03:14	knight-	blah
03:22	thor	too much "work" work
03:28	knight-	hey thor
03:28	knight-	what are you "work" working?
03:46	thor	too many damn things at once
03:48	knight-	hah
03:49	knight-	quick question, are you aware of where the documentation for the linux serial driver is?
03:50	thor	/usr/src/linux/Documentation ?
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03:54	knight-	I suppose I should just use the serial support in QT
03:55	knight-	But I wanted to have a lower level api
03:56	knight-	actually not even sure there is serial port api
04:00	knight-	QSocketNotifier should work
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04:25	knight-	blah wish i had more Serial device under linux experience :)
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04:29	knight-	just wish someone with win32 porting experience would just port this sucker :)
04:33	killerbun	does there exist a mechanism which allows you to group movies up so they are easyer to look through when you want to find a specific movie in mythvideo ?
04:35	killerbun	guess not =/
04:55	anduin	knight-: look at the channel control stuff for the dctXXXX stuff, the basic "setup the serial port" stuff should be in there
05:00	knight-	anduin, well, i found some general linux serial code, i just have to port this TCommPort class written for winblows over to linux
05:00	knight-	so that i dont have to rewrite the rest of the app
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05:58	knight-	blah
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06:08	knight-	yay
06:08	knight-	ok i've ported it
06:08	knight-	just need to debug the hell out of it now
06:08	knight-	anyone else have a CX777ES and wants to test my RS-232C control software?
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09:18	o_cee	anyone know where to find finger in gentoo?
09:21	o_cee	found it, nm
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14:19	o_cee	hey chutt
14:20	o_cee	finger mythtv@dragon.dyndns.tv for my .plan... ;)
14:20	o_cee	dammit, that was for chutt :)
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14:46	o_cee	Chutt: are you there?
14:47	Chutt	no
14:48	thor	here?
14:48		* thor is starting to sound more and more like Dr. Zeuss
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14:51	Chutt	heh
14:51	Chutt	hey
14:51	josephk_	ummm
14:51	josephk_	yeah
14:53	mikegrb	beer day!
14:53	mikegrb	happy st patty's day everyone
14:53	thor	'cup
14:54	josephk_	I guess transparency will only work between the background image and the topmost image in a theme, or am I retarded...or drunk
14:54	mikegrb	thor: I got green goodness on my website, thegrebs.com
14:55	josephk_	or perhaps only images with the background and not eachother
14:56	o_cee	Chutt: put up a .plan mythtv@dragon.dyndns.tv with my mythtv issues so that i don't forget them and can continue nagging you about them ;)
14:56	mikegrb	o_cee: mine has my gpg key like a normal person
14:56	mikegrb	actually it doesn't my finger supports a .gpgkey file
14:57	o_cee	mikegrb: heheh, no need to be normal
14:58	mikegrb	indeed
15:06	o_cee	Chutt: got any more offers?
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15:10	Chutt	no offers yet, buncha phone interviews
15:12	o_cee	better than nothing at least
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15:25	o_cee	Chutt: what are you up to nowdays anyway? you seem kinda busy
15:27	Chutt	catching up on my reading
15:27	o_cee	nice
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15:32	o_cee	anyway, the issues i'm seeing at the moment is in there, do whatever you want with the info
15:36	Chutt	too much other stuff to do right now :p
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15:37	hadees	Chutt, you ever think about applying to tivo?
15:38	Chutt	eh, not really
15:38	kvandivo	now _that_ would stop myth development in a hurry
15:38	thor	not as fast as we are now stopping Chutt's reading
15:38	thor	:-)
15:38	Chutt	heh, naw
15:38	hadees	not really, tivo guys have been pretty nice to the tivo hacking community
15:38	Chutt	i was just ordering stuff for the basement
15:39	hadees	i think they would still let you do mythtv
15:39	Chutt	wiring enclosure and phone and video distribution stuff
15:39	Chutt	hadees, that'd be highly doubtful
15:41	Chutt	thor, still haven't heard back from that guy from ATI developer relations =)
15:42	thor	he's escalted it to a _senior_ doofus
15:42	Chutt	i should email him back and ask if he got my reply
15:43	kvandivo	he'd respond, "I think so, but I can't get outlook to open my Inbox"
15:43	thor	and which part of "none of your hardware is supported under Linux" he failed to parse
15:44	knight-	hey Chutt, thor
15:44	thor	whatever it is, it's Chutt's fault
15:45	Chutt	i wonder how axel thimm's stuff at cebit went
15:45	thor	probably got a job offer from Developer 1
15:45	thor	:-)
15:46	hadees	anyone use ogle_ir?
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15:50	thor	MY GOD windows sucks
15:51	thor	how can people use this crap ?
15:53	gfiend	Try writing code for it day in and day out.
15:53	josephk_	you know John Stossle(sp?) believes people buy MS products because they are good...lol
15:54	thor	crap, crap, crap
15:54	hadees	office isn't bad, but thats about it
15:54	hadees	just costs to much
15:55	josephk_	kids are cheaper
15:55		* billytwowill likes excel more than openoffice.org calc, although the stats stuff sucks.
15:55		* billytwowill wishes he knew who john stossle was
15:56	thor	heh, you're not a real man until you've taken at least one crack at writing your own statistics package
15:56	thor	:-)
15:56	josephk_	the 20 /20 "reporter"
15:56	billytwowilly	\| heh, I'll pass;)
15:56	billytwowilly	\| hey thor, is there anything rivalling shazam for linux?
15:56	billytwowilly	\| prefereably gpl..
15:56	Chutt	downloads of my resume have tapered off
15:56	Chutt	hrmph
15:57	thor	gpl, well R
15:57	billytwowilly	\| I checked out your resume. I seriously think you should try a subscription service type thing ala mandrakeclub.
15:57	josephk_	oh sorry...I'll get back on that Chutt;D
15:57	billytwowilly	\| "keep mythtv alive, hire a coder. 5 bucks/month 10 bucks/month etc."
15:58	Chutt	wouldn't be enough money, most likely
15:58	Chutt	and i'd have to keep asking
15:58	thor	write a business plan
15:58	thor	myth, internet, ???, profit
15:59	hadees	Chutt: try to get slashdot, that will spike your resume downloads
15:59	josephk_	"keep Chutt Alive...as little as 20 cents a day and chutt can get 3 good meals and be able to go to school"
15:59	billytwowilly	\| you'd need 1334 subscribers to make 80 K/year
15:59	thor	and for $5 a day, you can see Sally Struthers starve to death inside a metal cage
15:59	billytwowilly	\| I don't know what kind of salary you're looking for.
16:00	josephk_	"where he will learn skills he needs for the future, like English and anger management."
16:00	Chutt	do you personally know 1300 people that want to give me $60?
16:00	billytwowilly	\| I know of one;)
16:01	Chutt	ok, so i'd have to find 1299 more
16:01	billytwowilly	\| hmm. I'm just trying to figure out the angle to add value.
16:01	Chutt	not going to happen
16:01	josephk_	Chutt: Do you know how to make googoo eyes to the camera? O_O
16:01	Chutt	heh
16:01	thor	give a Chutt a fish, and you feed him for a day .... teach a Chutt to fish and ... well ... he'll probably just go fishing
16:01	billytwowilly	\| how many downloads were there of the last release?
16:01	Chutt	a lot.
16:02	billytwowilly	\| thor: build chutt a fire and you keep him warm for a night. Light chutt on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life;)
16:02	hadees	Chutt: you should try to get slashdot to do an interview with you about the future of pvrs, they might be down for that, i mean every time pvr comes up on that site they mention mythtv
16:02	josephk_	a gajillion I think...either that or a bazillion...definitely 3 syllables
16:02	billytwowilly	\| So if you could figure out some value add type thing for members you could probably get a couple hundred subscribers.
16:02	Chutt	hadees, there was a pvr story that mentioned mythtv after i posted my resume
16:03	thor	fry a fish for a Chutt, and he'll .... oh, never mind
16:03	Chutt	have a fish sandwich?
16:03	Chutt	mmm, food
16:03	josephk_	beat you with it
16:03	billytwowilly	\| maybe offer rpms for the latest mandrake, debs for debian, and an easy repository for club members?
16:03	thor	now if we can just get Sir Bob to write a themesong
16:04	thor	"All we are saying, is fry Chutt a fish"
16:04		* josephk_ slaps thor with a fried catfish
16:04	billytwowilly	\| heh, and you could sing it to the theme of coombyyah.. holy butchered spelling batman..
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16:05	Chutt	billytwowilly, i really don't think anything like that would work.
16:06	Chutt	and it'd be a pain for me to admin anything like that
16:06	josephk	during a release week it'd be enough to get drunk
16:06	billytwowilly	\| Chutt, Maybe not, but mandrake is surviving quite well on that business model and they support many coders.. you're just one guy.
16:06	Chutt	mandrake has a few more users than i do
16:06	billytwowilly	\| That's true, but they also have way more expenses.
16:07		* thor notes the use of first person singular
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16:07	Chutt	heh
16:07	billytwowilly	\| I think the business model is sound, plus it costs basically nothing to setup.
16:07	thor	now, where do I sign up for this Sally Struthers thing
16:07	Chutt	and like thor just intimated, there's a few more developers than just me :p
16:07	hadees	what ever happend to those guys selling mythtv boxes
16:08	hadees	are they making money?
16:08		* thor smiles wisely to himself
16:08	billytwowilly	\| Chutt, that's true, but those other guys have jobs;)
16:08	josephk	and what are their boot times
16:08		* billytwowill is eyeing up linuxbios.org and their work on epia boards.
16:09	billytwowilly	\| apparently wicked fast boot times
16:09	billytwowilly	\| anyhoo, I gotta go to school. ciao.
16:15	Chutt	dum de dum
16:15	thor	go for the expensive one
16:15	Chutt	expensive one?
16:15	thor	you're buying stuff for the basement
16:15	Chutt	already ordered stuff
16:15	thor	ah
16:15	Chutt	and, that crap is expensive
16:16	thor	should have got the deluxe model !
16:16	Chutt	they want $200 for a 8 port switch
16:16	thor	eh ?
16:16	Chutt	'structured wiring'
16:16	thor	whatever
16:16	Chutt	yeah
16:16	Chutt	i'm going to buy a $60 linksys and stick it in the enclosure
16:17	Chutt	just as good =)
16:17	thor	but, but, but, it's not 'structured'
16:17	Chutt	only difference is it doesn't have a plate on it for mounting easily in the box
16:17	thor	ah, well
16:17	Chutt	but, should be pretty fun
16:18	thor	so, uhm, go write some code
16:18	Chutt	i'll have phone, cable, and ethernet everywhere
16:18	thor	anything
16:18	Chutt	have to clean the bathroom
16:18	Chutt	next :(
16:18	thor	heh
16:18	Chutt	wife's all 'you're home all day, clean the bathroom'
16:18	thor	heh
16:18	Chutt	and now i can't say 'but i was busy working'
16:18	thor	"the _least_ you could do"
16:19	Chutt	and i was kinda waiting to see if a phone interview was today at 4 or tomorrow at 4
16:19	Chutt	guess it's not today =)
16:19	thor	4 central/mountain/pacific/yada/
16:20	Chutt	eastern, 1 pacific
16:20	thor	that would be tomorrow then
16:20	Chutt	yeah
16:20	thor	or the other party a wee bit too much green beer for lunch
16:21	thor	if XP does one more stupid thing ...
16:21	thor	uhp, meep, all right then
16:21	thor	this is your last day on the planet
16:22	Chutt	heh
16:22	thor	btw, if anyone ever asks you, "could we whip together a little streaming movie of the product"
16:22	thor	say NO
16:22	Chutt	heh
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16:23	Chutt	instead of 'sure, why not?'
16:23	thor	"should only take an hour or two"
16:23	thor	HA
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16:25	X-trem3	hi there
16:25	thor	mute your line in
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16:26	X-trem3	dudes, i got some problems using mythtv and i can't enter #mythtv-users cause i got mirc right now, do ya know another channel where i can post my question?
16:26	Chutt	why can't you enter #mythtv-users?
16:26	X-trem3	i can man but i am the only one there
16:26	X-trem3	...
16:27	kvandivo	well that's a totally different problem
16:27	Chutt	did you enter #mythtv-users) ?
16:27	X-trem3	THANK YOU
16:27	X-trem3	:)
16:27	gfiend	heh he did now
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16:58	Chutt	oops
16:58	Chutt	guess the phone interview was today
16:59	Chutt	missed the guy calling when i had the vacuum cleaner on
16:59	thor	heh
16:59	thor	classic
16:59	Chutt	he just called back, though.
16:59	Chutt	ah well
16:59	thor	google for "Thor Sigvaldason is late"
17:01	Chutt	heh
17:01	Chutt	that certainly qualifies as an oops
17:01	thor	at least they didn't put it on the cover
17:01	thor	:-)
17:05	Chutt	ah well, rescheduled it
17:06	thor	anything interesting ?
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17:37	o_cee	rofl, X-trem3 you're funny
17:38	o_cee	anyone talked to chris lately? haven't been around..
17:38	o_cee	chris p that is
17:39	o_cee	mikegrb: oh no you don't
17:39	X-trem3	o_cee i don't think that's a good thing..
17:40	mikegrb	o_cee: :<
17:40	o_cee	mikegrb: heh
17:41	o_cee	mikegrb: i'm using x-chat..
17:41	mikegrb	;)
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17:41	o_cee	Chutt: you done dust-sucking and telephone-interviewing yet?
17:44	o_cee	guess not
17:44	o_cee	thor: any testing needed with mfe/mfd?
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18:16	thor	o_cee, it about 24 hours, yes
18:16	o_cee	thor: allright
18:17	thor	although breaking anything at any time is also good
18:17	thor	:-)
18:17	o_cee	heh.. actually i'll try something right now
18:18	o_cee	the thing i said about not beeing able to esc out
18:18	o_cee	rebuild musicmetadata but i'll have to check taht tomorrow
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18:30	o_cee	i'm bored
18:30	thor	go implement something in your .plan
18:31	o_cee	lets see
18:32	o_cee	no fun
18:33	o_cee	no easy stuff
18:33	thor	four words: milkshake, shower, swedish girlfriend
18:33	o_cee	i'd love a milkshake
18:33	thor	order is left to the reader
18:34	o_cee	there's my cat licking himself
18:35	o_cee	hmm, after rebuilding musicmetadata it doesn't have to "loading data" when going into the browser.. odd.. used to take a while for it to load it
18:35	thor	that's the "don't hit the db four times four every track" thing
18:36	o_cee	not sure that's it
18:36	o_cee	guess my music table was borked or something
18:36	o_cee	i had that delay earier today before rebuilding it
18:36	thor	ah
18:40	kvandivo	thor: does that order you mentioned imply that the three can't be done in parallel?
18:41	thor	nope
18:41	o_cee	huh?
18:41	kvandivo	now we're talkin..
18:41	thor	although you have to be a little careful about diluting your shake
18:41	o_cee	am i missing something super duper fun on -users?
18:41	kvandivo	i wouldn't know, o_cee
18:42	thor	no, you're missing the fact that you could be drinking your milshake in the shower with your swedish girlfriend instead of yaking on irc
18:42	o_cee	kvandivo: me neither. it's so nice
18:42	o_cee	thor: she's frigging asleep, m'kay?
18:42	o_cee	heh
18:42	thor	:-(
18:42	kvandivo	probably best to not put her in the shower right now, then
18:42	o_cee	yeah :/
18:43	o_cee	kvandivo: i thought so too
18:43	thor	coffee milkshake ?
18:43	kvandivo	my experience from the college days tells me that most people don't like have water dumped on them when asleep
18:43	o_cee	heheh
18:43	o_cee	no milk or icecream at home.. almost nothing in the fridge, need to do some shopping
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18:52	o_cee	Failed to run 'cdrecord --scanbus' <-- am i supposed to see that even when i turned off the burning support?
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18:55	josephk	o_cee: am I right in assuming there are certain areas in a theme where images cannot have transparencies?
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18:57	o_cee	josephk: not that i know of
18:58	josephk	hmmm...maybe I'm not preparing them correctly
18:59	thor	josephk, if you're themeing a MythThemedDialog, you have to make sure the images does not sneak out of the bounds of its container
19:01	josephk	I was noticing my titles weren't being drawn with opacity, and it seems that when the button area is drawn active or inactive it will always be transparent to the background, and not any watermark I might try to sneak in behind it
19:01	josephk	of course it's probably my fault as you say:)
19:02	o_cee	the button area fucks it up, yeah
19:02	o_cee	but having text over the watermark isn't a good idea anyway :)
19:03	josephk	well I was hoping to make a backdrop for the buttons and make it look as though they were part of a screen within a screen...but it looks like I'd have to make that part of the background
19:04	josephk	looks great that way, but since every other screen uses the backdrop everything else looks half retarded
19:06	o_cee	yeah well i guess it can be fixed ;)
19:09	josephk	it don't respect no draworder...heh
19:10	thor	context first, then draworder
19:10	thor	(at least, that's the idea)
19:10	josephk	roger
19:10	thor	but it probably doesn't hurt to have things listed in the XML in the order you want them drawn :-)
19:11	o_cee	too easy
19:11	josephk	yup
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19:23	o_cee	yup yup
19:23	o_cee	i should go to bed now right?
19:23	thor	yup
19:24	pigeon	what channel this is again? ;)
19:24	o_cee	pigeon: why
19:24	pigeon	just funny when i see the last few dialogues :P
19:24	o_cee	hehehe
19:25	pigeon	so... good nite for you then?
19:25	---	Channel: thor changed the topic of #mythtv to: Milkshakes, Showers, and Swedish Girlfriends
19:25	o_cee	yepp, soonish
19:25	o_cee	eyy, i'd better wake her up and tell her i want my milkshake
19:25	---	Channel: thor changed the topic of #mythtv to: http://www.mythtv.org -- This isn't a support channel, go to #mythtv-users
19:26	o_cee	blerh :)
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19:26	pigeon	MythTV changed my life.
19:26	o_cee	yea now we're all addicted to tv
19:27	pigeon	i'm so proud to tell people now, "I don't watch tv, I watch mythtv".
19:27	o_cee	heh
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19:28	bitbyte	funny thnig is, i don't reallyatch much tv
19:28	bitbyte	watch*
19:28	bitbyte	hehe
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19:29	o_cee	tomorrow i'll get my ~150$ 2m DVD-A cable, yeeeah
19:30	bitbyte	dvd-a cable?
19:30	o_cee	6 x RCA player -> amp yeah
19:31	bitbyte	ah
19:32	josephk	ooo
19:32	o_cee	iii
19:32	josephk	aaaaaiiieeee
19:34	o_cee	yepp
19:34	o_cee	well, g'night.. off to bed and dream about those milkshakes
19:34	mikegrb	heh
19:35	mikegrb	good night o_cee
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22:51	p0lar69	hello all
22:52	p0lar69	ahh wrong channel
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