| --- | Log | opened Mon Mar 15 00:00:24 2004 |
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| 00:21 | JeffH | Can live TV by streamed from a MythTV machine to another machine? |
| 00:22 | JeffH | the other machine would be running either Linux or WinXP |
| 00:23 | cmorgan | yes |
| 00:23 | JeffH | right on. |
| 00:23 | cmorgan | not with winxp though |
| 00:23 | JeffH | that bites, why not? |
| 00:23 | cmorgan | at least i don't think it can be |
| 00:23 | JeffH | that's mostly what I'll be using. |
| 00:24 | cmorgan | i thought someone was working on a port of the frontend to windows but not sure |
| 00:24 | cmorgan | why not? because no one that runs windows wants to write the code to support it ;-) |
| 00:24 | JeffH | can you explain frontend/backend in terms of Myth TV? I couldn't find anything that explained what each end is responsible for. |
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| 00:25 | cmorgan | backend does hardware interface stuff |
| 00:25 | cmorgan | all recording etc |
| 00:25 | cmorgan | frontend displays things, although it can also talk to hardware in the case of the pvr's that have mpeg decoders |
| 00:25 | JeffH | I see. I had the concepts reveresed then. |
| 00:26 | JeffH | so for XP what would be needed is a frontend that talked to the mythTV backend, right? |
| 00:26 | cmorgan | yep |
| 00:26 | cmorgan | i think someone was working on that but... |
| 00:26 | ofer | yeah, check out http://winmyth.souorceforge.net |
| 00:26 | ofer | err winmyth.sourceforge.net |
| 00:26 | JeffH | can backends communitate with other backends? |
| 00:26 | ofer | yes |
| 00:26 | ofer | there is a master backend |
| 00:27 | ofer | and you can have as many slave backends as you want |
| 00:27 | ofer | the master delegates to the slaves what to record and when |
| 00:27 | ofer | each backend can also have multiple tv tuners |
| 00:27 | JeffH | can I schedule something without having a frontend? |
| 00:28 | ofer | sort of |
| 00:28 | ofer | depends on how you define a frontend |
| 00:28 | ofer | there is a mythweb interface you can set up recordings with |
| 00:28 | ofer | in fact thats the best way |
| 00:29 | ofer | (in my humble opinion) |
| 00:29 | JeffH | ofer: what I was thinking is that say I'm at work and I remembered I wanted to record a program. I don't want any mythtv specific software on my work machine (work wouldn't like that). |
| 00:29 | ofer | yeha, just run mythweb on your home server and you can set up a recording by pointing your web browser home |
| 00:29 | JeffH | does mythweb run on the master backend? |
| 00:30 | ofer | it can |
| 00:30 | JeffH | seems to me that would be the ideal place. |
| 00:30 | ofer | yeah |
| 00:30 | ofer | most poeple run it on the master backend |
| 00:30 | JeffH | sweet. I think when I get some extra $$ I'm going to buy the hardware and try this out.. already speced out the hardware I want to buy. |
| 00:31 | ofer | its a good hobby =) |
| 00:31 | JeffH | only thing I'm leary of is it seemed xmltv was grabbing listings without specific permissions and that might cause problems in the future. |
| 00:32 | ofer | yeah, except xmltv is programmed in sucha way that its easy to switch to another website =) |
| 00:32 | JeffH | I see. |
| 00:32 | JeffH | are there multiple sources available? |
| 00:32 | ofer | When your paying for a subscription from Tivo, that's part of what your paying for. |
| 00:32 | JeffH | yeah, I know. |
| 00:32 | ofer | xmltv just grabs from web sites |
| 00:32 | ofer | so right now it graabs from zap2it.com |
| 00:32 | ofer | it could just as easily grab from yahoo.com |
| 00:32 | ofer | or any other place that has tv listings |
| 00:34 | JeffH | can you tell Myth TV, "record the movie "Star Wars" next time it's on." and it will. Or do you have to see when it's on next and say 'record this' |
| 00:37 | ofer | you can ask it to record star wars next time its on |
| 00:37 | ofer | you can tell it to record a show if its on any channel and it wont record reruns |
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| 00:37 | ofer | that is it wont record something its recorded before |
| 00:37 | ofer | (unless you tell it otherwise) |
| 00:37 | JeffH | sweet.. sounds as if it's really quite full featured. Even looks like it is cheaper than TiVo or Replay. |
| 00:38 | JeffH | ofer: what hardware do you use? |
| 00:38 | ofer | its not cheaper =) |
| 00:38 | ofer | currently, i use a pIII 866 with a bttv 898 card |
| 00:38 | ofer | a little slow |
| 00:38 | ofer | but im getting a pvr350 soon |
| 00:39 | ofer | i have a strange setup actually |
| 00:39 | JeffH | how is it not cheaper? from the looks of it a 80 hour TiVo with network capability and lifetime subscription is $600ish.. I spec'ed hardware at $500 |
| 00:39 | ofer | my master backend is on a pII 300 |
| 00:39 | ofer | hardware + time = greater than $600 |
| 00:40 | ofer | also, myth is great, does lots of things, but it is beta |
| 00:40 | ofer | it doesnt always record correctly |
| 00:40 | JeffH | does it require a bit of tinkering to keep it going? |
| 00:40 | ofer | etc. etc. |
| 00:40 | ofer | once its going, not really |
| 00:40 | ofer | but getting it running requires tinkering |
| 00:40 | Husk1 | anyone using myth in australia? |
| 00:40 | ofer | ive heard of it |
| 00:40 | ofer | =) |
| 00:41 | JeffH | of course the $500 I figured it would cost doesn't count the $$ needed for 802.11 equipment I would want too. <sigh> |
| 00:41 | ofer | note though if you get a mythtv computer, it can be used for more than just mythtv |
| 00:41 | ofer | which is an advantage |
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| 00:41 | ofer | my router will be the mythtv machine once i get that pvr |
| 00:41 | pigeon | Husk1: I am. |
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| 00:42 | JeffH | I thought about that.. I thought about having the mythtv be my mail server too. |
| 00:42 | Husk1 | pigeon: is the tv guide dodgy? |
| 00:42 | pigeon | hmm, it works quite well these days. |
| 00:43 | JeffH | and probably my file server since I suspect myth uses samba to share the recorded files. |
| 00:43 | Husk1 | pigeon: what tuner are you using? |
| 00:43 | ofer | myth does not use samba |
| 00:43 | ofer | myth has its own protocol |
| 00:43 | JeffH | hm.. why? |
| 00:43 | ofer | but you can share myth files via samba if you like (i do) |
| 00:44 | pigeon | Husk1: a philips 7134 card. |
| 00:44 | pigeon | Lifeview FlyVideo 3000 to be exact. |
| 00:45 | JeffH | I guess I assumed that Myth TV wasn't much more than 'glue' bringing together packages that do the various things.. but it sounds like Myth might be more than that. |
| 00:45 | Husk1 | pigeon: no problems with it? |
| 00:46 | pigeon | Husk1: With the card itself? Nope... At least not for tv. |
| 00:46 | JeffH | Hardware I hope to use is the MSI MS-6777 and PVR-250. I've heard plenty of success stories with the PVR-250.. anyone know about the MS-6777? |
| 00:46 | Husk1 | pigeon: hard to get working under linux? |
| 00:47 | pigeon | Husk1: No, not at all. |
| 00:47 | JeffH | one thing I was worried about was an Athlon XP 2000 in a small HTPC case. wondering if it would get too hot. |
| 00:47 | pigeon | I know there's linux driver for that card before buying it, so... |
| 00:48 | ofer | with the pvr, you dont need much cpu power |
| 00:48 | ofer | if it gets too hot you can downclock it |
| 00:48 | ofer | myth, unlike freevo, is more than a program that manages othe programs |
| 00:48 | JeffH | good idea. only reason I'm going with Athlon XP 2000 is I already have one. |
| 00:48 | ofer | it does its own tv viewing and recording, has its own protocol to manage multiple front ends and back ends, etc. etc. |
| 00:49 | JeffH | I see. |
| 00:49 | JeffH | thanks for all the info ofer. previously when I came in here people weren't all that helpful. |
| 00:49 | ofer | they like you to use #mythtv-users for these types of questions =) |
| 00:49 | Husk1 | pigeon: ok, i just need to find a supplier in canberra :) |
| 00:49 | ofer | no problem |
| 00:49 | JeffH | ooh.. sorry, didn't know that existed. |
| 00:50 | JeffH | is this more of a developers area? |
| 00:50 | ofer | its supposed to be |
| 00:50 | ofer | but its pretty quiet most of the time |
| 00:50 | pigeon | Husk1: Ah... well, the philips saa7134 chips is working pretty well under linux, maybe you could check out cards with that chip. |
| 00:51 | pigeon | Husk1: http://bytesex.org/saa7134/ |
| 00:51 | pigeon | there is a list of cards with that chip. |
| 00:51 | JeffH | I see.. well, I guess I'll jump over to #mythtv-users. Thanks again. |
| 00:52 | pigeon | Alternatively, all those bt8xx cards are pretty common too and works under linux, I think. |
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| 00:52 | ofer | bt8x8 work great in linux |
| 00:54 | pigeon | ofer: you know of any popular/common card that got bt8x8? |
| 00:55 | ofer | hauppauge wintv |
| 00:55 | Husk1 | ofer: hauppauge products seem to be really expensive here |
| 00:56 | ofer | err, i think aitech has a cheap one |
| 00:56 | ofer | not very well known though |
| 00:56 | pigeon | those pvrx50 are quite expensive, but they do quite a lot of stuff. |
| 00:56 | ofer | yeah |
| 00:56 | Husk1 | $460 can be spent on a better cpu |
| 00:56 | ofer | if you get a pvr, you don't need as large of a cpu |
| 00:56 | JeffH | seems like they're the most common cards being used in Myth TV though. |
| 00:56 | ofer | which means less of a fan |
| 00:57 | ofer | im using a pinnacle pctvpro (bt898) |
| 00:57 | JeffH | is 256M plenty of ram for MythTV? |
| 00:57 | JeffH | (assuming hardware encoding) |
| 00:57 | ofer | depends on what else you run |
| 00:57 | ofer | probably fine |
| 00:58 | ofer | mine has 384Mb |
| 00:58 | JeffH | not sure the difference in price between 256M and 512M is enough to not just got with 512M. |
| 00:58 | ofer | plan for more, not less =) |
| 00:58 | JeffH | true. |
| 00:59 | pigeon | does anyone know a tv tuner card that does decent composite in/svideo in? |
| 00:59 | ofer | the pvr's =) |
| 00:59 | JeffH | is there a rule of thumb on time/mb for disk? I plan on getting a 120GB drive. |
| 01:00 | ofer | depends on the card |
| 01:00 | JeffH | with probably 100Mb of that going for program storage. |
| 01:00 | ofer | the pvr 250 does about 5Mb / sec |
| 01:00 | pigeon | ah |
| 01:00 | ofer | depends on the settings |
| 01:00 | pigeon | hmm, the composite in of my tv card is not really great I can feel. |
| 01:01 | ofer | good settings on a bt8x8 is aboutt 2.2 Mb / sec |
| 01:01 | JeffH | disk storage are true numbers, right? (not 1024 based?) |
| 01:02 | ofer | depends on who yo utalk to =) |
| 01:02 | JeffH | haha |
| 01:02 | mikegrb | it is supposed to be 1024 base |
| 01:02 | mikegrb | based |
| 01:02 | mikegrb | which are true numbers |
| 01:02 | mikegrb | marketing speak is not |
| 01:03 | JeffH | wow.. 100GB holds a lot less hours than I thought. |
| 01:04 | ofer | hehe |
| 01:04 | ofer | realize im saying bits not bytes |
| 01:04 | anduin | 400GB drives will be out soon, making the 250/300s not such a bad deal |
| 01:05 | JeffH | ofer: thanks for pointing that out. |
| 01:05 | ofer | so 6Mb / sec = ~800kB/sec |
| 01:05 | ofer | 2.2 Mb / sec = ~250kB/sec |
| 01:08 | JeffH | hm.. according to my calc 100GB would store 44+ hours |
| 01:08 | JeffH | @ 5Mb/s |
| 01:08 | ofer | not bad |
| 01:08 | mikegrb | my pvr 250 recordings at close to default settings are 2.2 GB/hr |
| 01:09 | JeffH | wish I didn't have an AiW, I'd try Myth with my current hardware. |
| 01:10 | ofer | AiW? |
| 01:10 | JeffH | All-in-Wonder |
| 01:11 | ofer | check out http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, maybe your all in wonder is suppported |
| 01:12 | JeffH | its not. |
| 01:13 | ofer | sorry |
| 01:14 | JeffH | no problem.. I bought the card without thinking about Linux.. I should hvae. |
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| 01:30 | shamoun | hey all |
| 01:30 | shamoun | anyone here use ffmpeg for video capture? |
| 01:34 | mikegrb | shamoun: you want to check which channel you are in |
| 01:41 | shamoun | mikegrb: i know which channel i am in |
| 01:41 | mikegrb | oh so you just spoke in the wrong channel on accident |
| 01:41 | mikegrb | I gotcha, no problem |
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| 10:03 | dja | it's quiet in here :-) |
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| 14:48 | thor | Cutt, that client is not really working properly, but my dev box drive is going wonky and I wanted to commit it |
| 14:49 | | * kvandivo snickers to himself. |
| 14:50 | thor | friggin cheap hardware |
| 14:51 | kvandivo | sorry to hear about that. hardware failure isn't fun for anybody |
| 14:51 | thor | well, it's just a dev box |
| 14:52 | Chutt | heh |
| 14:52 | Chutt | no worries |
| 14:52 | Chutt | hope your stuff breaks quickly rather than a lingering death |
| 14:52 | Chutt | it's always easier for me, at least, to replace dead hardware than decide, 'well, i don't need to replace it _yet_' |
| 14:52 | thor | heh |
| 14:52 | thor | well, |
| 14:53 | thor | clearly I _should_ go and spend all of $50 on a new hard drive |
| 14:54 | thor | but I _will_ reformat it now in the hopes that the problem will magically go away |
| 14:54 | Chutt | heh |
| 14:54 | thor | btw, the client does work, but you need current libmyth |
| 14:54 | Chutt | running a badblocks scan on harddrives has helped me keep the drive up longer |
| 14:55 | Chutt | but i've never had it be completely recovered |
| 14:55 | thor | heh |
| 14:55 | Chutt | anyway, cool |
| 14:55 | Chutt | i'm being lazy and watching movies today |
| 14:55 | thor | it just doesn't switch mfd's very well |
| 14:55 | thor | cool |
| 14:55 | Chutt | so, no myth work =) |
| 14:55 | thor | k |
| 14:57 | kvandivo | wanting a HD, huh? |
| 14:57 | | * kvandivo digs a second. |
| 14:57 | kvandivo | 120gig WD, $70.. 250gig $160.. (best buy) |
| 14:58 | kvandivo | 160gig WD $70, 250 $140 (circuit city) |
| 15:00 | thor | time to pull the machine out, swap the drive, release the box is a mess, put other stuff in there |
| 15:00 | thor | realize |
| 15:00 | thor | bah |
| 15:02 | cmorgan | Chutt: typically drives that grow badblocks are on the verge of complete failure |
| 15:02 | cmorgan | you never notice all of the badblocks that they grow and automatically revector ;-) |
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| 17:08 | mdz | Chutt: any way to test playback without a backend? |
| 17:08 | mdz | even the 'mythtv' binary seems to fail to play a file if it can't connect |
| 17:09 | dja_ | mdz: it doesn't on mine...it pops up an error and then I click OK and it goes ahead and plays it. |
| 17:09 | mdz | hmm, ok |
| 17:09 | dja_ | (this is with current CVS) |
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| 17:11 | mdz | yeah, looks like something else pissed it off |
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| 17:11 | dja_ | :-) |
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| 17:25 | mdz | if anybody feels like testing, let me know if the new screensaver changes broke anything |
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| 17:58 | engie | Hi. Do you know of any video software which I could use to stream in video from a firewire cam, do live chromakey (blue screening), and output the resulting video to both a file and a window? I know this isn't a myth question, but I'm getting desperate... |
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| 19:22 | anduin | mdz - the is the cerr stuff for the screen saver there to stay? |
| 19:22 | mdz | anduin: no |
| 19:23 | mdz | anduin: gone |
| 19:24 | anduin | mdz - thanks, and thanks for doing even more cleanup work on it |
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