| --- | Log | opened Thu Mar 11 00:00:37 2004 |
| 00:01 | thor_ | well, afaik, Hacking Tivo did not have a TV included |
| 00:01 | thor_ | err, a TIVO |
| 00:01 | _rkulagow | or a tivo |
| 00:01 | _rkulagow | great minds think alike. |
| 00:01 | thor_ | and poor ones ... nm |
| 00:02 | _rkulagow | well, i'm on a 6 week contract now, so that will boost the cash reserves. how many mythtv development-type people are unemployed, anyways? |
| 00:03 | thor_ | probably depends on how you define "unemployed" |
| 00:03 | _rkulagow | "a hand-job is still a job." |
| 00:03 | thor_ | heh |
| 00:04 | _rkulagow | got that from reno 911, quite an amusing show. |
| 00:04 | thor_ | anyway, I'd push back on their logic, and then let it sit for a month or two |
| 00:05 | thor_ | (there's the oustide chance that the mfd stuff will prove useful, and that could seriously drive numbers) |
| 00:05 | _rkulagow | true. |
| 00:06 | thor_ | catchy slashdot headlines ... Rendezvous! iTunes integration! Seemless interconnectivity! |
| 00:06 | thor_ | heh, who knows |
| 00:07 | _rkulagow | all courtesy of thor sigvaldsensonson. |
| 00:08 | | * thor_ goes back to writing code |
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| 00:29 | Sir-Al | can't seem to find any other docs on the myth protocol |
| 00:29 | Sir-Al | kinda hard to help winmyth |
| 00:30 | _rkulagow | other than the source code, there aren't any. |
| 00:30 | ofer | Sir-Al, i wrote a little bit of stuff about the protocol |
| 00:30 | ofer | http://winmyth.sourceforge.net/mythprotocol.html |
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| 00:31 | Sir-Al | ya, that's all i could find |
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| 00:45 | RageMax | does anyone have experience with this hardware? |
| 00:45 | RageMax | http://store.yahoo.com/shentech/viaepple180c.html |
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| 02:48 | thor_ | Chutt, you up? |
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| 03:09 | thor_ | Chutt, if you catch this on scrollback, http://www.sigvaldason.com/mfe.tar.bz2 is an insanely hacked up myth client that will work with mfd cvs of a few minutes ago |
| 03:10 | thor_ | see the README for stoping audio playing and cycling between available mfd's |
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| 05:39 | thor_ | Chutt, you'll need to do a make install, then a "mythfronted mfe" |
| 05:39 | thor_ | (not sure when the mythfrontend code stopped looking in the current directory) |
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| 06:58 | o_c | lalala |
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| 09:44 | o_cee | kvandivo: that strange annotate thing with playbackbox.. it apperas if you check 1.38.. question is wich one is right |
| 09:45 | kvandivo | interesting |
| 09:45 | o_cee | hmm, line numbers seems odd tho |
| 09:46 | kvandivo | i think the problem is that 'annotate' is borked. i don't think it can properly handle revs on top of revs |
| 09:46 | kvandivo | but that's just my guess |
| 09:46 | o_cee | one of them is broke :) |
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| 11:59 | Chutt | why're you all talking about playbackbox? |
| 12:01 | mdz | Chutt: people still seem to be seeing those X errors with the screensaver code disabled |
| 12:01 | Chutt | yeah, it's something else as well |
| 12:01 | mdz | hmm |
| 12:01 | Chutt | but those were certainly part of it |
| 12:01 | Chutt | can't do X/Qt GUI stuff in random threads |
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| 12:11 | mdz | Chutt: not even if it holds a lock? |
| 12:11 | Chutt | depends, really |
| 12:11 | mdz | XLockDisplay or whatever |
| 12:11 | Chutt | lot of times, a lock will work fine |
| 12:11 | Chutt | qApp->lock()/unlock() should do it |
| 12:12 | mdz | is that how you think the screensaver code should work? or should it run in its own thread also? |
| 12:13 | Chutt | well |
| 12:13 | Chutt | what's really gained by the screensaver code in the tv playback module? |
| 12:13 | mdz | not burning in my TV when someone leaves it paused |
| 12:13 | Chutt | ah |
| 12:13 | Chutt | true |
| 12:13 | Chutt | well |
| 12:13 | Chutt | two ways to go about it |
| 12:13 | mdz | that's the only time it's enabled during playback, or should be |
| 12:13 | Chutt | set up an event handler in the context |
| 12:14 | Chutt | and use Qt events to tell it to do the screensaver stuff |
| 12:14 | Chutt | instead of direct function calls |
| 12:14 | Chutt | would be cleanest |
| 12:14 | Chutt | or, trying to just lock it |
| 12:14 | mdz | it would still need to lock if it were done as events, right? |
| 12:14 | mdz | or does it do that already? |
| 12:15 | Chutt | events are done in the main event loop |
| 12:15 | Chutt | already locked |
| 12:15 | mdz | hmm |
| 12:15 | Chutt | same thread as the other gui stuff, so none of that async reply crap is possible |
| 12:15 | mdz | I couldn't get it to break though |
| 12:15 | Chutt | much more likely to happen on people with smp systems, if you don't have one |
| 12:15 | mdz | so I'm not sure how to test it |
| 12:16 | Chutt | the event stuff _will_ fix it properly |
| 12:16 | Chutt | so i'd prefer that |
| 12:16 | Chutt | adding qApp->lock/unlock around it may fix it, so.. |
| 12:17 | Chutt | "If the thought of working here amoung our world-class talent in a commited open source company appeals to you, I'd love to talk." |
| 12:17 | Chutt | whee |
| 12:20 | mdz | among |
| 12:20 | mdz | not to look a gift horse in the mouth |
| 12:20 | Chutt | heh |
| 12:23 | Chutt | almost 2300 people have downloaded my resume from the mythtv website |
| 12:23 | Chutt | which, sadly enough, is more people than have downloaded the most recent release of mythnews |
| 12:24 | kvandivo | i happened to be talking about playbackbox.cpp because of the usleep() comment from yesterday, but my actual comment was about what appears to be a bug in viewcvs |
| 12:24 | Chutt | kvandivo, ah |
| 12:25 | Chutt | someone with a patched kernel didn't like the usleep(50) in there? |
| 12:28 | kvandivo | umm.. they didn't mention a patched kernel.. they said that they changed to it to a higher number and their cpu load dropped during playback |
| 12:28 | Chutt | only a patched kernel would treat usleep(50) any differently than usleep(10000) |
| 12:29 | kvandivo | neil whelchel.. high cpu thread.. |
| 12:29 | Chutt | i just bumped it up in cvs, anyway |
| 12:30 | Chutt | maybe i'll get to doing mythtv stuff today =) |
| 12:30 | | * kvandivo grins evily. |
| 12:31 | mdz | I believe the 2.6 scheduler could behave differently |
| 12:31 | mdz | which doesn't really qualify as patched |
| 12:31 | Chutt | ah, true |
| 12:31 | Chutt | i keep forgetting that 2.6 is out now |
| 12:32 | kvandivo | if anyone out there is dying to spend some cash, buy.com has the BenQ 6100 projector right now for $860. Very reasonable projector (better ratings than the infocus X1) for only $860.. |
| 12:32 | mdz | I don't see how the usleeps in playbackbox could affect long-term CPU usage |
| 12:32 | Chutt | only 800x600, i'd imagine? |
| 12:32 | kvandivo | yep |
| 12:32 | mdz | the only two I see are one-time things |
| 12:32 | Chutt | eh |
| 12:32 | mdz | when playback starts and stops |
| 12:32 | Chutt | mdz, second one's executed during playback |
| 12:32 | Chutt | while (tv->GetState() != kState_None) |
| 12:33 | Chutt | tv->Playback returns immediately |
| 12:33 | mdz | but that's immediately after: state = kKilling; // stop preview playback and don't restart it |
| 12:33 | mdz | doesn't that cause the state to go to None when it dies? |
| 12:33 | Chutt | that's the preview |
| 12:33 | mdz | ahh |
| 12:33 | mdz | different playback |
| 12:33 | Chutt | yup |
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| 13:46 | thor_ | Chutt, you get a chance to look at that client thing ? |
| 13:46 | Chutt | not yet |
| 13:46 | Chutt | will soon |
| 13:46 | thor_ | k |
| 13:46 | Chutt | trying to compose emails |
| 13:46 | thor_ | heh |
| 13:46 | Chutt | taking long time |
| 13:52 | | * o_cee jumps up and down. |
| 13:53 | Chutt | mdz, i replied to those c't guys already |
| 13:53 | Chutt | sorry, didn't cc you =) |
| 13:53 | mdz | Chutt: exactly |
| 13:53 | mdz | I'm still trying to catch up on my mail |
| 13:53 | mdz | after being away for 4 days |
| 13:54 | o_cee | mdz: welcome back. |
| 13:54 | mdz | o_cee: you didn't even notice I was gone. No postcard for you. :-P |
| 13:54 | o_cee | hehehe |
| 13:55 | o_cee | where've you been? |
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| 14:02 | mdz | san francisco |
| 14:02 | mdz | not far |
| 14:04 | o_cee | it's far from here.. |
| 14:04 | o_cee | in a galaxy, faar far away |
| 14:06 | mdz | same galaxy |
| 14:06 | mdz | same planet even |
| 14:06 | mdz | unless there's something you aren't telling |
| 14:06 | dja | uh oh, o_cee, you're secret is out |
| 14:07 | dja | s/you're/your/ |
| 14:07 | o_cee | damn |
| 14:08 | Chutt | blah |
| 14:08 | Chutt | blah blah blah |
| 14:08 | o_cee | yeah i think so too |
| 14:08 | o_cee | if you want lots of blahblah goto #mythtv-users.. sheesh |
| 14:08 | thor_ | and, more precisely, _blah_ |
| 14:09 | kvandivo | i've yet to darken the doors of #mythtv-users |
| 14:10 | Chutt | it's difficult to ask a place you think you might want to work for about if they'd consider telecommuting |
| 14:11 | o_cee | Chutt: you got any todo list or something? what do you think of a closed bugtracker for devs and special chosen ones? just to be able to keep track of things? |
| 14:11 | o_cee | working at home sure sound sweet |
| 14:11 | Chutt | don't like that idea |
| 14:11 | kvandivo | don't word it so directly.. will relocation be necessary, or is telecommuting a possibility? |
| 14:11 | thor_ | "What's your policy on telecommuting?" |
| 14:12 | Chutt | it's less the 'working at home' part than the 'not being able to afford a house' part |
| 14:12 | thor_ | San Francisco? |
| 14:12 | Chutt | this one's boston |
| 14:12 | kvandivo | about as bad |
| 14:12 | thor_ | ah, well, at least the big dig is mostly over |
| 14:13 | kvandivo | thor: ever the optimist |
| 14:13 | Chutt | i _really_ don't want to have to rent something again |
| 14:13 | kvandivo | amen |
| 14:13 | thor_ | and there are lots of people who work in Boston (well northern edge) and live up as far as New Hampshire |
| 14:14 | kvandivo | once you've owned, the thought of going back to throwing your money away just leaves a bad taste in one's mouth |
| 14:14 | o_cee | Chutt: m'kay, guess i'll keep a list of my own to remember stuff |
| 14:14 | kvandivo | plans.txt, o_cee. that's what you want to name your file |
| 14:15 | o_cee | kvandivo: right, thanks.. |
| 14:16 | Chutt | more companies should be open to telecommuting |
| 14:16 | Chutt | especially for programming type stuff |
| 14:16 | Chutt | it's gotta be cheaper for them |
| 14:17 | o_cee | do(did) you ever have real meetings with the people you work(ed) with? |
| 14:17 | Chutt | yeah |
| 14:17 | o_cee | thought so :) |
| 14:18 | kvandivo | i think that lots of companies are afraid that they won't get the caliber of worker that can actually be trusted to telecommute |
| 14:18 | Chutt | sure |
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| 14:19 | o_cee | do like homer |
| 14:20 | thor_ | hmmmm donoughts |
| 14:20 | kvandivo | the author? |
| 14:21 | o_cee | Mr. Homer Simpson.. he ate until he weighted like 200kg, then he was allowed to have his desk with all the buttons at home |
| 14:21 | o_cee | :) |
| 14:23 | o_cee | http://www.briansbelly.com/halloffame/images/homer_mumu.jpg |
| 14:23 | Chutt | heh |
| 14:23 | o_cee | that's what he looks like |
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| 14:25 | o_cee | Chutt: you know why kenneth did like he did? |
| 14:25 | Chutt | nope |
| 14:26 | o_cee | odd fella |
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| 14:28 | Racer | since when does compiling mythfrontend taking so long especially this one: |
| 14:28 | Racer | g++ -c -pipe -Wall -W -O3 -march=pentiumpro -fomit-frame-pointer -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -DPREFIX=\"/usr/local\" -DMMX -DUSING_IVTV -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -I/usr/lib/qt-3.2/mkspecs/default -I. -I../../libs/libmythtv -I../../libs -I../../libs/libmyth -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/lib/qt-3.2/include -o globalsettings.o globalsettings.cpp |
| 14:28 | kvandivo | since forever |
| 14:28 | o_cee | always been like that |
| 14:29 | o_cee | Chutt: i think it was because he didn't get cvs access :) |
| 14:29 | Chutt | possibly |
| 14:29 | Chutt | hrm |
| 14:30 | Racer | ?? allways, thought it was much quicker in the past, ok thnx! |
| 14:30 | Chutt | i could afford a nice place in boise, id |
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| 14:30 | Chutt | that was the first company that contacted me |
| 14:30 | o_cee | where's that? |
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| 14:30 | Chutt | way far away from where i live now |
| 14:30 | kvandivo | close to sun valley! |
| 14:30 | o_cee | need to find a map |
| 14:31 | Chutt | and the company looked decent |
| 14:31 | kvandivo | only got to go skiing for a single day this year, at a little place in indiana.. |
| 14:31 | kvandivo | not enough time on the slopes.. :)( |
| 14:33 | thor_ | the season isn't over |
| 14:33 | kvandivo | it is for me |
| 14:33 | thor_ | heh |
| 14:34 | thor_ | I'm going to be up in Tremblant in two weeks |
| 14:35 | kvandivo | some wicked looking slopes... |
| 14:35 | kvandivo | http://tremblant.com/whattoseedo/trail_maps/index-e.htm |
| 14:35 | thor_ | it's crappy skiing (good for the east, but still crap) |
| 14:36 | kvandivo | well, when the top of the hill is only at 2800 feet you can't expect too much |
| 14:36 | kvandivo | 700 foot vertical.. maybe they aren't as wicked as they look on the map |
| 14:36 | kvandivo | actually, i could probably do those.. mind if i tag along? |
| 14:37 | thor_ | heh |
| 14:37 | thor_ | we have a little place up there |
| 14:37 | kvandivo | at the indiana place i was skiing everything, including the double blacks.. however, in colorado (where i usually go) i don't touch anything beyond a blue |
| 14:37 | Chutt | hrmph |
| 14:37 | Chutt | no telecommuting |
| 14:37 | kvandivo | dang |
| 14:37 | thor_ | I should probably give away free weekends as myth code bounties |
| 14:37 | thor_ | hmm |
| 14:38 | thor_ | not very emlightened |
| 14:38 | Chutt | i dunno |
| 14:38 | thor_ | enlightened, even |
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| 14:49 | Chutt | the ATI guy never wrote me back |
| 14:53 | mdz | he didn't respond to your "none of your products work with Linux"? |
| 14:53 | thor_ | couldn.t find "Linux" in the binder |
| 14:54 | Chutt | mdz, nope, he did not |
| 14:54 | [davatar] | ATI will probably make you sign an NDA, which the gatos guys had to do. How that works with writing GPL'd code, whoknows.. |
| 14:55 | Chutt | he was just asking what my experiences were with ATI hardware + mythtv, and what he could do to help |
| 14:55 | Chutt | so i made a big list of their product lines that don't work =) |
| 14:55 | thor_ | heh |
| 14:55 | Chutt | i did mention the tv wonder and tv wonder ve as working though |
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| 15:33 | thor_ | o_cee, you around |
| 15:45 | o_cee | yesch |
| 15:45 | o_cee | eating mövenpick |
| 15:46 | thor_ | have a hacked up mfd client that is giving Racer problems, you want to try it ? |
| 15:46 | o_cee | sure |
| 15:46 | thor_ | http://www.sigvaldason.com/mfe.tar.bz2 |
| 15:49 | o_cee | i need to update mfd as well right? |
| 15:49 | thor_ | yup |
| 15:49 | o_cee | hmm can't compile it |
| 15:51 | o_cee | to lazy to read |
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| 16:00 | o_cee | building mfe now |
| 16:00 | thor_ | k |
| 16:00 | o_cee | couple of warnings.. |
| 16:00 | thor_ | yup |
| 16:01 | o_cee | but it's done |
| 16:01 | thor_ | make install, mythfrontend mfe |
| 16:01 | o_cee | already loading :) |
| 16:01 | o_cee | oh maybe start mfd as well |
| 16:02 | thor_ | would help |
| 16:02 | thor_ | :-) |
| 16:02 | o_cee | Unable to run plugin 'mfe': not initialized |
| 16:02 | o_cee | Segmentation fault |
| 16:02 | o_cee | wth |
| 16:02 | o_cee | /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmfe.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:03 | thor_ | heh |
| 16:03 | thor_ | maybe an ldconfig |
| 16:03 | o_cee | hold on |
| 16:04 | o_cee | ldconfig: /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 is not a symbolic link <-- it's been complaining about that for a while, haven't had time to bother :) |
| 16:04 | o_cee | uhm, odd |
| 16:05 | o_cee | got the same message but now it started up |
| 16:05 | o_cee | and seems to load data |
| 16:05 | thor_ | Unable to run plugin 'mfe': not initialized |
| 16:05 | o_cee | yeah |
| 16:05 | thor_ | doesn't mean anything |
| 16:05 | o_cee | ok |
| 16:05 | o_cee | :) |
| 16:05 | thor_ | you got mfd and tree ? |
| 16:06 | o_cee | somewhat |
| 16:06 | thor_ | (tree is probably a mess) |
| 16:06 | o_cee | can't go down |
| 16:06 | thor_ | but is it there ? |
| 16:06 | o_cee | yeah, a little at least |
| 16:06 | o_cee | still loading in all data |
| 16:06 | o_cee | mfd |
| 16:06 | thor_ | ah, yeah, it'll keep redrawing the tree on you |
| 16:06 | o_cee | yeah |
| 16:07 | o_cee | it'll soon be done |
| 16:07 | thor_ | so you keep going back to the same place |
| 16:08 | o_cee | still haven't setteled down |
| 16:08 | thor_ | just hit enter |
| 16:08 | thor_ | (2 to stop) |
| 16:08 | o_cee | can't actually hear it |
| 16:08 | thor_ | hmmm |
| 16:08 | thor_ | seconds going by? |
| 16:08 | o_cee | yeah |
| 16:08 | o_cee | i mean i'm not in the living room with the speakers |
| 16:09 | thor_ | ah |
| 16:09 | o_cee | container 1 item 2 |
| 16:09 | thor_ | good good |
| 16:09 | thor_ | now, you got another mythbox you can out mfd on? |
| 16:09 | thor_ | put |
| 16:09 | o_cee | not really :/ |
| 16:09 | thor_ | oh |
| 16:09 | o_cee | i could proxy to you |
| 16:09 | thor_ | well, no need for the 1 key |
| 16:10 | o_cee | 2 worked ok |
| 16:10 | o_cee | seemed to stop |
| 16:10 | thor_ | iTunes up and running ? |
| 16:10 | o_cee | in a sec |
| 16:11 | thor_ | (more tree redrawing) |
| 16:11 | o_cee | Collection number 2 has name of "Oscar" and 12 items |
| 16:11 | Chutt | thor, hey, i'm recompiling now.. |
| 16:11 | Chutt | so i'll be able to try it soon |
| 16:11 | Racer | damn he's got a tree :( |
| 16:11 | thor_ | cool |
| 16:11 | Racer | go to sleep, next try tomorrow! :) |
| 16:12 | thor_ | heh |
| 16:12 | Racer | heh |
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| 16:12 | thor_ | o_cee, good |
| 16:12 | Racer | GL guys, mfd is gonna be it!!!!! |
| 16:12 | o_cee | thor_: yeah.. still waiting for mfd to get the hell ready with its building |
| 16:13 | thor_ | heh |
| 16:13 | o_cee | Collection number 1 has name of "Local Audio Content" and 5699 items |
| 16:13 | o_cee | c'mon dammit |
| 16:13 | thor_ | how many do you have ? |
| 16:13 | o_cee | dunno |
| 16:13 | o_cee | lemme check.. hmm |
| 16:14 | o_cee | itunes is listing some entries without names/artists |
| 16:14 | o_cee | lemme hear what it si |
| 16:14 | X-trem3 | big channel, the one in tha topic... |
| 16:14 | o_cee | plays ok |
| 16:14 | o_cee | X-trem3: yeah it is |
| 16:14 | o_cee | it's probably your stupid mirc that's fucking things up |
| 16:15 | o_cee | ah yeah you're using mirc |
| 16:15 | o_cee | get a real client |
| 16:15 | o_cee | thor_: it's playing allright at least, but no data.. |
| 16:15 | thor_ | "data" ? |
| 16:15 | o_cee | seems to have stopped now |
| 16:15 | o_cee | id3 info |
| 16:15 | o_cee | Collection number 1 has name of "Local Audio Content" and 5926 items |
| 16:16 | o_cee | can't go any further down than i can see in mfe |
| 16:16 | thor_ | left |
| 16:16 | thor_ | ? |
| 16:16 | o_cee | left does rewind |
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| 16:16 | o_cee | heh |
| 16:16 | X-trem3 | it's better than xawtv? |
| 16:17 | thor_ | sorry, left in mfe |
| 16:17 | o_cee | thor_: rewind |
| 16:17 | thor_ | hmm, well, however you normally navigate a tree |
| 16:17 | o_cee | heh |
| 16:18 | o_cee | mythmusic has been that for a while |
| 16:18 | thor_ | should be mythmusic bindings |
| 16:18 | o_cee | since chutt changed the keybindings :) |
| 16:18 | o_cee | yeah |
| 16:18 | o_cee | i know. i'll fix it |
| 16:18 | Chutt | thor, does the client lib not build itself? |
| 16:18 | thor_ | should do |
| 16:18 | Chutt | didn't here |
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| 16:19 | thor_ | I probably screwed something up in the .pro |
| 16:19 | thor_ | heh, yup |
| 16:19 | o_cee | thor_: should i remove RWND as keybinding? |
| 16:20 | o_cee | i'll do that |
| 16:20 | thor_ | I dunno ... depends on your remote and all that |
| 16:20 | Chutt | it's sitting here 'looking for MFDs' |
| 16:20 | Chutt | and thrashing my drive occasionally |
| 16:20 | thor_ | heh |
| 16:20 | thor_ | mfd running somewhere |
| 16:20 | o_cee | yeah, but normaly i use left/right/up/down for navigation, so i guess left/right isn't good to have as rewind/forward :) |
| 16:20 | Chutt | yeah, but it was sitting there for a long time |
| 16:21 | thor_ | and does it say mfd #1 in the track info area ? |
| 16:21 | Chutt | yup |
| 16:21 | thor_ | but no tree yet |
| 16:21 | thor_ | ? |
| 16:21 | Chutt | still no tree |
| 16:21 | thor_ | hmmm, like Racer |
| 16:21 | thor_ | something stupid in there (hacked together client) |
| 16:21 | o_cee | i got my tree now |
| 16:22 | o_cee | took a couple of seconds |
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| 16:22 | thor_ | Chutt, anything on the mfe controlling terminal? |
| 16:22 | o_cee | oh thor, nice with the tree :) |
| 16:22 | o_cee | not sorted tho :) |
| 16:22 | thor_ | nope |
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| 16:23 | thor_ | vague thoughts about mythgallery like interface |
| 16:23 | o_cee | what did you say about "1"? |
| 16:23 | Chutt | thor, just a warning about a mutex unlock |
| 16:23 | Chutt | i'll debug it later |
| 16:23 | thor_ | 1 is for cycling through mfds |
| 16:23 | o_cee | itunes included? |
| 16:23 | thor_ | which is really the whole point of the experiment |
| 16:23 | thor_ | iTunes no |
| 16:23 | thor_ | you can't make iTunes play remotely |
| 16:23 | o_cee | then i need to proxy you, or something |
| 16:23 | thor_ | yeah |
| 16:24 | thor_ | but let's leave it for tomorrow, I have some "work" work I need to get to |
| 16:24 | o_cee | okidoki |
| 16:24 | o_cee | at least it runs here |
| 16:24 | thor_ | that client has all of about an hours work in it |
| 16:25 | thor_ | so it's a miracle it runs anywhere |
| 16:25 | o_cee | metadataclient.o: built new metadata tree in 3.799 second(s) |
| 16:25 | o_cee | :) |
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| 16:37 | o_cee | Chutt: what do you think about addind a recording menu to "r" instead of the current behaviour? using the new osd menu that is |
| 16:37 | Chutt | sure |
| 16:37 | Chutt | that'd work |
| 16:38 | o_cee | didn't know about the current behaviour that david said |
| 16:39 | o_cee | could get very confusing |
| 16:46 | thor_ | ah, Chutt, clientlib did not build .... did you just do qmake, make, or configure first ? |
| 16:46 | o_cee | configure?:) |
| 16:47 | Chutt | qmake/make |
| 16:47 | thor_ | right |
| 16:47 | thor_ | ok |
| 16:48 | Chutt | lemme try again, then :p |
| 16:54 | Chutt | thor, rebuilt |
| 16:54 | Chutt | with running configure this time |
| 16:54 | Chutt | no change, really |
| 16:54 | Chutt | still just sits there |
| 16:54 | thor_ | bah |
| 16:55 | o_cee | odd that it's working here |
| 16:55 | thor_ | I'm doing something stupid somewhere, I'll figure it out |
| 16:55 | o_cee | yeah but still |
| 16:56 | o_cee | gcc thing? nah |
| 16:56 | thor_ | could be a lib flag or something |
| 16:59 | Chutt | the buttons react on screen when i hit em, so it's not deadlocked |
| 17:00 | thor_ | no action on the mfd log |
| 17:00 | Chutt | nope |
| 17:00 | Chutt | unless there's a separate log file that i'm not seeing |
| 17:00 | thor_ | no, controlling window |
| 17:00 | thor_ | but should be started with -l 10 |
| 17:00 | kvandivo | it's in the /dev/null log |
| 17:01 | Chutt | is it really talking to itself constantly? |
| 17:01 | thor_ | eh? |
| 17:01 | Chutt | ah, just while it loads |
| 17:01 | Chutt | i see |
| 17:02 | Chutt | a lot of daap client plugin sent daap request '/update |
| 17:02 | Chutt | and server replies |
| 17:02 | o_cee | what's wrong with talking to yourself? |
| 17:02 | thor_ | hmmm, same thing Racer had |
| 17:02 | thor_ | like it's talking to itself |
| 17:02 | Chutt | i see the initial connection |
| 17:02 | Chutt | where mfe asks for the services list |
| 17:02 | thor_ | metadata server now has one client |
| 17:03 | Chutt | no connections after that |
| 17:03 | thor_ | bah |
| 17:03 | thor_ | something basic |
| 17:03 | Chutt | is the client supposed to be opening 2 connections? |
| 17:03 | thor_ | yup |
| 17:03 | Chutt | ok |
| 17:04 | Chutt | 11/Mar/2004-17:01:24: sending the following message to 127.0.0.1(1): services found lan mfdp 192.168.1.101 2342 mfd on Alioth |
| 17:04 | Chutt | should i be seeing things like that? |
| 17:04 | Chutt | with 127.0.0.1 and 192.168.1.101 used? |
| 17:04 | thor_ | hmmm |
| 17:04 | thor_ | possibly not |
| 17:04 | Chutt | want me to send you the entire log? |
| 17:05 | thor_ | that would be great |
| 17:06 | Chutt | sent |
| 17:07 | Chutt | that -l 10 |
| 17:07 | Chutt | that's |
| 17:08 | thor_ | WARNING: zeroconfig client plugin could not call gethostbyaddr() using ip address 192.168.1.101 (will assume lan/net) |
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| 17:08 | thor_ | is the start of it |
| 17:08 | thor_ | I think |
| 17:08 | Chutt | yeah? |
| 17:09 | thor_ | DHCP ? |
| 17:09 | Chutt | yeah, no dns |
| 17:09 | thor_ | right, ok |
| 17:09 | thor_ | need to fiddle with that |
| 17:09 | thor_ | I have some logic in there that checks if services are local |
| 17:10 | thor_ | but it wants to check on the hostname |
| 17:10 | thor_ | (for hosts with multiple network interfaces) |
| 17:10 | thor_ | so then it gets confused |
| 17:11 | o_cee | "hmmmmmmmmm" <-- mfd |
| 17:11 | thor_ | and starts exchanging daap info with itself |
| 17:11 | thor_ | where did it say that ? |
| 17:11 | o_cee | when it gets confused. |
| 17:11 | thor_ | ah |
| 17:11 | thor_ | more like, "crap, more data" |
| 17:12 | thor_ | "every time I update, the other end seems to have still more to send me" |
| 17:13 | thor_ | Chutt, can you throw 192.168.1.101 Alioth into /etc/hosts |
| 17:13 | o_cee | like a dog running after its tail? |
| 17:13 | thor_ | just for a test of my theory |
| 17:14 | Chutt | that made tracks show up in the mfe stuff |
| 17:15 | thor_ | right |
| 17:15 | thor_ | so that was the problem |
| 17:15 | thor_ | err, one of the problems |
| 17:15 | thor_ | :-) |
| 17:15 | o_cee | nah, _the_ problem |
| 17:15 | o_cee | :) |
| 17:16 | thor_ | thank god I wrote ridiculously volumious log and warning stuff |
| 17:16 | o_cee | hehe |
| 17:18 | Chutt | so, fixable? |
| 17:19 | thor_ | yup |
| 17:19 | thor_ | one sec |
| 17:19 | thor_ | well |
| 17:19 | Chutt | i meant eventually :p |
| 17:19 | thor_ | I actually changed this recently |
| 17:19 | thor_ | it used to assume anything it couldn't get a hostname for was _this_ host |
| 17:20 | o_cee | Chutt: got any ideas for the mm ui? |
| 17:20 | thor_ | then when o_cee and I did the transatlantic stuff, I changed it |
| 17:20 | thor_ | cause I was using an IP with DNS entry |
| 17:20 | thor_ | with no |
| 17:20 | Chutt | needs some way to figure out if an ip is this host |
| 17:21 | Chutt | then? |
| 17:21 | thor_ | yup |
| 17:22 | thor_ | uhm, anyone know how to get a list of IP addresses on _this_ host ? |
| 17:22 | Chutt | ifconfig? :p |
| 17:23 | thor_ | heh |
| 17:23 | thor_ | ifconfig source |
| 17:23 | thor_ | :-) |
| 17:24 | thor_ | not very out of the box and automatic if you need to have DNS running or fiddle with /etc/hosts |
| 17:24 | o_cee | anyone who sets up a myth box should be able to setup a dns server, right? |
| 17:25 | thor_ | heh |
| 17:25 | thor_ | maybe I'll just compare IP addresses |
| 17:25 | Chutt | how are you coming up with the 192.168.1.101 in there, anyway/ |
| 17:25 | Chutt | err, ? |
| 17:26 | thor_ | good question |
| 17:26 | thor_ | mdns magic |
| 17:26 | o_cee | Homer magic |
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| 17:29 | Chutt | damn it, the batteries on my keyboard are dying |
| 17:29 | o_cee | hahahah, what a pita :) |
| 17:29 | thor_ | hmmm, maybe that's stan's problem |
| 17:30 | o_cee | the batteries in his keyboard? |
| 17:30 | Chutt | + |
| 17:30 | o_cee | - |
| 17:32 | Chutt | there we go |
| 17:32 | Chutt | hrm |
| 17:33 | Chutt | if someone asked 'do you happen to know networking', what'd you think they'd mean? |
| 17:34 | thor_ | anything from, "Can you click on a Network Neighbourhood icon" to "have you ever implemented a multithreaded socket based application" |
| 17:34 | thor_ | you can probably say yes |
| 17:36 | Chutt | heh |
| 17:37 | kvandivo | who _hasn't_ implemented a multithreaded socket based application? No, i think they mean, do you melt your own metal to make your own networking cable to run your own self-soldered network cards |
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| 17:38 | bitbyte | if someone asked me if I knew networking, i would think they were asking if i understood the infrastructure. altho that assumption would be shaded by what kind of job market i was looking at |
| 17:39 | _rkulagow | i'd think they probably mean bgp/ospf, cisco, juniper, stuff like that. |
| 17:39 | thor_ | "certified network engineer" |
| 17:39 | kvandivo | ok.. we've come to a consensus.. you need to answer with "it depends" |
| 17:40 | bitbyte | hehe |
| 17:40 | thor_ | whatever the f*$# that means |
| 17:40 | thor_ | or, even better, "senior network engineer" |
| 17:40 | bitbyte | thats the position? |
| 17:41 | thor_ | (that's a guy who plans parties and does match making at a retirement homes) |
| 17:41 | bitbyte | heh |
| 17:41 | | * kvandivo smirks. |
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| 17:45 | Chutt | heh |
| 17:45 | Chutt | the guy who asked was from a software dev company |
| 17:45 | Chutt | so i would _assume_ it meant software |
| 17:46 | thor_ | hmm, no retirement home on the side |
| 17:46 | bitbyte | could mean anything then |
| 17:46 | Chutt | right =) |
| 17:46 | bitbyte | hehe |
| 17:46 | bitbyte | tell him you wrote BO |
| 17:46 | bitbyte | :) |
| 17:46 | Chutt | i just gave some examples (myth, client/server stuff for work), and asked if he meant that kind of networking |
| 17:47 | bitbyte | i take it you are looking for work? |
| 17:47 | Chutt | yeah |
| 17:47 | Chutt | read the website :p |
| 17:47 | bitbyte | bummer |
| 17:47 | bitbyte | i read the top thing |
| 17:47 | bitbyte | didnt have a chance to read the rest |
| 17:48 | bitbyte | ah ok |
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| 17:48 | bitbyte | sorry to hear it |
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| 17:48 | bitbyte | i was in that spot 2 years ago |
| 17:48 | bitbyte | altoh te IT market seems to be rebounding a bit |
| 17:49 | bitbyte | i hope you find something very soon |
| 17:49 | Chutt | i've had quite a bit of interest |
| 17:49 | Chutt | if i'm willing to relocate |
| 17:49 | bitbyte | great |
| 17:49 | bitbyte | i would think myth alone would be a huge feather in your cap |
| 17:49 | bitbyte | how far |
| 17:49 | Chutt | far |
| 17:49 | bitbyte | define far |
| 17:50 | Chutt | > 6 hours of driving for the closest |
| 17:50 | bitbyte | to ppl here in bismarck, far is 60 miles away |
| 17:50 | bitbyte | ah |
| 17:50 | bitbyte | you from cleveland? |
| 17:50 | Chutt | yeah |
| 17:50 | bitbyte | or have ties there? |
| 17:50 | bitbyte | ya |
| 17:50 | bitbyte | makes it hard |
| 17:50 | bitbyte | contacted a headhunter? |
| 17:51 | Chutt | naw, not yet |
| 17:51 | Chutt | taking it easy =) |
| 17:52 | bitbyte | one thing to be careful of |
| 17:52 | bitbyte | most companies today want you to sign intellectual property agreements |
| 17:52 | Chutt | i don't have a problem with that |
| 17:52 | bitbyte | meaning ANYTHING you write, on you rtime or theirs, becomes their property |
| 17:52 | bitbyte | you should |
| 17:52 | Chutt | what i do on work's time, belongs to them |
| 17:52 | bitbyte | myth would belong to them then |
| 17:52 | Chutt | no, it wouldn't, since i wouldn't sign anything that says whatever i do on my own time belongs to them |
| 17:53 | bitbyte | most of the agreements i've seen ( i wa a hiring manager for 4 years) say anything you write is theirs |
| 17:53 | Chutt | last two places i've worked with had a clause like that, and i've had absolutely no problems getting it modified |
| 17:53 | bitbyte | i'm just saying to keep an eye out for that |
| 17:53 | bitbyte | that's cool then, as long as you're aware of it |
| 17:53 | bitbyte | i personally think you could turn myth into a business |
| 17:53 | bitbyte | and a viable one at that |
| 17:54 | bitbyte | i was thinking the other day that a lotta ppl would jump on it if there was just some standardized hardware platform they could buy and a simple install, or have it already installed |
| 17:55 | bitbyte | unfortunately, for me at least, taking somdething that's a hobby and making it a job takes all te joy out of it |
| 17:55 | bitbyte | because then there are expectations for performance |
| 17:55 | Chutt | i don't have the resources to start a business around myth |
| 17:55 | Chutt | anyway, dinner time |
| 17:55 | bitbyte | k, cya |
| 17:56 | bitbyte | you could sell PC's preconfigured with myth on them |
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| 19:04 | o_cee | thor_: will you make dynamic playlists like iTunes got as well? |
| 19:04 | thor_ | just do them in iTunes ? |
| 19:05 | o_cee | mfd will read them? |
| 19:05 | thor_ | yup |
| 19:05 | o_cee | ah yeah but |
| 19:05 | o_cee | i can't add mfd content to an itunes playlist |
| 19:05 | o_cee | so :\ |
| 19:05 | thor_ | heh |
| 19:05 | thor_ | yeah |
| 19:05 | thor_ | some day |
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