TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#mythtv:2004:03:07

---	Log	opened Sun Mar 07 00:00:04 2004
00:04	Chutt	hrm
00:04	Chutt	ah well
00:05	Chutt	made a fix, no idea if that was the problem
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00:12	kja	Chutt: want me to clean up the christian hack crash, or should i do it?
00:12	kja	fix should be in there
00:13	Chutt	i'd prefer captain_murdoch did it
00:13	kja	hmm, to tired to worry about wording tonight :)
00:14	kja	oh, he has more expirience in mpeg?
00:14	Chutt	oh, you're talking about the mpeg parsing
00:14	Chutt	i thought you meant his commercial skip patch
00:14	kja	yup
00:14	kja	ah
00:14	Chutt	crash
00:14	Chutt	why do you bzip2 tiny patches?
00:15	Chutt	heh
00:15	Chutt	what do you want to clean up about that?
00:15	Chutt	the return on bad data?
00:15	kja	to minimize bandwith load on snow-mans server :)
00:16	kja	the size would be wrongly caluclated if both the last table is present
00:16	Chutt	ah
00:16	kja	you see that i'm tired, right? :)
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00:17	Chutt	well, if you want to clean it up, i'd also get rid of the return
00:17	Chutt	the last one, at least
00:18	Snow-Man	Heh, we don't need to worry about bw all that much.
00:18	Chutt	used a bit more last month
00:18	Snow-Man	How much?
00:19	kja	and what's max?
00:19	Snow-Man	Average is still under 600Kb/s, we can go up to like 3.0Mb/s or so.
00:20	kja	mmm, cvs server on same link?
00:20	Snow-Man	kja: Max? Maybe like 10Mb/s.
00:20	Chutt	yup
00:20	Snow-Man	But there's a monthly limit.
00:20	Snow-Man	Which we're not anywhere near really.
00:21	Chutt	i'd be curious to see how much bandwidth cvs uses
00:21	Chutt	and the lists
00:21	kja	you sure about removing that last return chutt?
00:21	Snow-Man	I doubt either uses all that much really.
00:21	Chutt	kja, it's just bad data, what if there's a good packet right after?
00:21	Snow-Man	I expect the majority of the traffic is web stuff.
00:22	kja	it's kinda the meat of the patch, to check if stream is actually working
00:22	kja	could make it ff to next start code...
00:23	Chutt	why not a continue instead of a return?
00:23	Chutt	that's all i meant.
00:23	kja	see your point :)
00:24	kja	i'll fix and resubmit tomorrow, don't dare to do it now..
00:24	Chutt	and i'll look at the rest of your patches tomorrow as well
00:24	kja	lovely!
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00:51	UrbanNightmar	\| I'm having a problem getting the channel to change when in full screen live tv. I'm running Gentoo (emerged world today) with a winfast tv2000xp deluxe. Any more info can be provided if needed. Any help is welcome.
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01:40	woodwizzle	Hi all
01:41	woodwizzle	I've given up on gentoo as a mythtv system and decided to try knoppmyth. It installed fine but when it loads up I get a blank screen (terminal 7)
01:54	pigeon	hi, is there a way to use nuvexport on an nuv file directly?
02:00	dataworm	woodwizzle why did you give up with gentoo?
02:11	woodwizzle	dataworm I got tired of fighting with it for over a week
02:11	woodwizzle	I just couldn't get the ivtv drivers to work
02:11	woodwizzle	no matter how many times I tried
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02:43	Zman	greetings all.. one one awake? :)
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03:07	woodwizzle	I've given up on gentoo as a mythtv system and decided to try knoppmyth. It installed fine but when it loads up I get a blank screen (terminal 7)
03:07	woodwizzle	to make matters worse I can't kill gdm because it keeps restarting so I've got no way to run commands in X
03:08	woodwizzle	can anyone help?
03:23	Chutt	woodwizzle, read the topic.
03:30	Sir-Al	maybe #mythtv should be for user support, and #mythtv-dev should be for development
03:31	Chutt	no, it wouldn't.
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10:02	kvandivo	chutt: it was quite reproducible. I'll try out the fix and let you know
10:25	_rkulagow	hey, is it time for the bi-weekly /. article _already_?
10:26		* mikegrb slashdots rkulagow
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11:27	jams	anybody know if the video playback or filter code has been modified in the last week? I have seen an increase in video stutter.
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11:38	hgebel	Whenever I try to transcode something, nothing happens and I get the following error in my mythbackend.log: 'Unknown video codec: strange error flushing buffer' Can anybody help me with this problem?
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13:35	o_cee	Chutt: what do you think about a closed bugtracker? like for a selected group of trusted developers/reporters to avoid having to sort thru all kind of crap?
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13:48	kelan	anyone get the hauppauge grey remote working on debian?
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13:52	o_cee	heh
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14:54	linagee	can i have an external script throw things into the record table and have them recorded?
14:58	linagee	or wait, that's not what the record table is for....
15:01	linagee	heh. i made my own PHP script that will use the "program" table and search through title, subtitle, and description for some phrase. ;)
15:02	thor_	some reason you don't want to use the same functionality in mythweb ?
15:02	linagee	thor_: shrug didn't know it existed.
15:03	linagee	thor_: is there one that outputs the shows that the myth box has recorded with links to play those shows back?
15:04	thor_	the search box lets you search through _listings_ by title, episode, description, category, etc
15:04	linagee	thor_: does it put a fortune at the top? hehehe. ;)
15:05	thor_	yup :-)
15:05	linagee	yup?!?!
15:05		* hardwir3d didn't even install mythweb up to now. didn;t know it was somewhat essential
15:05	thor_	Basically, I want the mythical convergence box that's been talked about for a few years now
15:05	thor_	that's the fortune I just got
15:05	thor_	- Isaac Richards
15:05	linagee	thor_: mine: Your aim is high and to the right.
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15:06	linagee	thor_: i wonder if anyone has used these "show what shows are recorded" scripts to let friends see what you have, and then they invite themselves over? lol
15:07	thor_	heh ... "I'm not going over to their place, nothing but Trading Spaces and old sitcoms"
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15:08	linagee	thor_: ?!?! s/old friends/new friends/
15:08	linagee	thor_: mine it would be like, i'm not going over to his house, he only has a bunch of "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" episodes.
15:08	linagee	oh, and CSI: *
15:09	linagee	thor_: i made it so there is a little graphic of the show if it knows one, a little picture of a TV if it has none. (based on the title)
15:09	linagee	thor_: and you can click that icon, and it searches google for that show's title. ;)
15:10	thor_	yup, there are google links in mythweb, and imdb links if it thinks it's a movie
15:10	linagee	bah
15:10	thor_	heh
15:10	linagee	thor_: why do i feel like i've done so much that was already done. :-P
15:10	thor_	lots that could still be done to mythweb :-)
15:11	linagee	thor_: oh yeah, does mythweb have a snazzy <table> feel that is very bare? :)
15:11	thor_	heh
15:12	linagee	thor_: and does mythweb have a column that shows how many days old the show is? :) (quickly adds that feature)
15:12	thor_	shows Airdate
15:13	thor_	groups by Day
15:13	linagee	thor_: in the odd mythtv format, or does it show in a nicer format?
15:13	linagee	mine has sortable columns through clickable column name. simple. :)
15:14	thor_	the screen shots on mythtv.org are quite old, but it only takes a few minutes to install
15:14	linagee	thor_: mine even has this bug....
15:14	linagee	thor_: i can't get it to play movies without streaming them up in windows media player
15:14	linagee	thor_: i'd like it to just use the mapped drive letter or something, but it always wants to buffer it up.
15:14	thor_	heh
15:15	linagee	thor_: IE converts my Y:/filename.mpeg into file:///Y:/filename.mpeg
15:15	thor_	dunno, been quite a while since I touched any php
15:15	linagee	ah
15:16	linagee	thor_: made a quick "hack" that will print out the full path so i can just copy and paste. starts playing much faster when i use that.
15:19	linagee	thor_: the screenshot for PiP uses a crappy tuner. ;)
15:22	hardwir3d	/usr/lib/libmyth-0.14.so: undefined reference to `XineramaIsActive' ?
15:22	linagee	heh. the conflict screenshot. (http://mythtv.sourceforge.net/mc/conflictresolution2.png) Law & Order or Seinfeld.... i would choose neither. ;)
15:23	linagee	thor_: oh, and i have debian. it only takes a few seconds if i wanted it installed. ;)
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15:37	hardwir3d	mythmusic compile error: {standard input}: Assembler messages:
15:37	hardwir3d	{standard input}:72: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `add'
15:37	hardwir3d	make[1]: *** [zoom_filter_xmmx.o] Error 1
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17:03	sfr	it seems pip with two different h/w encoder cards isn't working. 1x pvr350 and a mjpeg encoder card in my case.
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17:07	sfr	wohoo! my 2nd tuner (matrox marvel g400) started working again. for a long time it caused all kinds of errors when the first one (pvr350) was busy and i started live-tv.
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17:13	pcjabber	is anyone that helps with MythWeb around?
17:13	pcjabber	general question:
17:13	sfr	what's wrong? not that i know a lot about mythweb/php
17:13	pcjabber	how do I submit a patch
17:13	pcjabber	and what diff do I need to use?
17:14	pcjabber	sfr, i actually answered my own question =)
17:14	sfr	diff -u file.orig file.messed_up
17:14	pcjabber	.orig meaning the CVS one, and .messed_up meaning your patch?
17:15	sfr	messed_up being your local modified version of the file
17:15	pcjabber	right
17:15	pcjabber	and how do you get it into a file? just pipe that to thepatchname.patch ?
17:15	sfr	and adding '> file.patch' also helps ;)
17:15	pcjabber	k =)
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17:15	pcjabber	then just mail that patch to the -dev list?
17:16	sfr	yes, preferably with [PATCH] in the subject. and include the patch as an attachment.
17:16	kvandivo	if you are running current cvs it is easier to just do: cvs diff -bu2 > mypatch.patch
17:17	pcjabber	how do you specify the file of the original and the patched version
17:17	kvandivo	well, if you only want to do a single file, just give the path to it..
17:17	mikegrb	\o/
17:17		* mikegrb gives kvandivo a cupcake
17:17	kvandivo	cvs diff -bu2 libs/libmythtv/schedule.cpp > mypatch.patch
17:17	kvandivo	or something like that
17:18	pcjabber	and how do you specify your patch?
17:18	kvandivo	?
17:18	pcjabber	like the diff -u file.orig file.messed_up example above
17:19	pcjabber	where do you specify it in the cvs diff -bu2 libs/libmythtv/schedule.cpp > mypatch.patch
17:19	kvandivo	oh.. you don't
17:19	pcjabber	then how does it know what to diff against?
17:19	kvandivo	cvs diff automatically goes out and checks your copy against the server copy
17:19	pcjabber	oh
17:19	pcjabber	i see
17:19	sfr	kvandivo: do you also know what i messed up that causes cvs update to ignore new changes in mythtv cvs? 'cvs update: nothing known about mythtv' . i played with the -D date option a while back and don't know how to undo it ;)
17:19	kvandivo	i suspect you have a sticky tag set. :)
17:20	pcjabber	=p
17:20	pcjabber	thanks much for the help!
17:20	pcjabber	I will submit my first patch very sooN!
17:20	pcjabber	soon*
17:20	kvandivo	you need to unset the sticky tags on your files, sfr
17:20	sfr	ok, but how?
17:20	mikegrb	goo gone works for me
17:21	kvandivo	man cvs ? :)
17:21	sfr	right. i did man cvs yesterday without success. i'll check again for gone...
17:21	kvandivo	hint: try -A
17:21	mikegrb	sfr: rm -r mythtv; cvs co mythtv
17:21	mikegrb	pwahah
17:22	sfr	i'm sure chutt likes that :)
17:22	mikegrb	;)
17:24	sfr	should -A do the trick? i think i already tried it but let's see...
17:27	pcjabber	If I change two files for the same patch, should i submit them in one patch file or two?
17:27	pcjabber	and how should I go about that?
17:27	sfr	that did the trick. but it doesn't seem to work with update -A $branch but with checkout -A $branch. whatever.
17:27	pcjabber	just merge the two DIFF outputs together?
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17:28	mikegrb	pcjabber: just do the cvs diff line in the root dir
17:28	mikegrb	it will do it all automagically
17:28	mikegrb	it will see which files are modified
17:28	pcjabber	this one?
17:28	pcjabber	cvs diff -bu2 > mypatch.patch
17:28	mikegrb	yup
17:28	pcjabber	k thanks =)
17:29	mikegrb	I generally check that .patch file and if there are any changes included you won't eant to submit you can remove them from the patch
17:29	pcjabber	k
17:29	pcjabber	and, should I gzip it?
17:30	pcjabber	or bzip it? or any form of compression?
17:30	pcjabber	or just leave it?
17:30	kvandivo	only if it is more than 35k or so
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17:31	mikegrb	yup
17:31	mikegrb	bery nice to be able to read it in my mail client directly
17:31	pcjabber	thanks =)
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17:41	sfr	there are too many zoom modes in mythtv
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18:02	o_cee	_rkulagow: maybe you'd want to put that "handle SIGPIPE nostop" someplace where people will see it..
18:03	o_cee	"After loading up gdb, do:"
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18:06	mikegrb	zoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom
18:09	o_cee	ahzomzom
18:10	thor_	ya zoom zoom zoom, ya zoom zoom zoom
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18:10	o_cee	diddleidoo
18:10	o_cee	got exams later this week, so i can't stay up really
18:10	o_cee	shouldn't
18:12	sfr	can't stay up? it's 00:12 ;)
18:13	o_cee	normally up a couple of hours more at least.. :)
18:13	sfr	_that_ is late
18:14	o_cee	yeah.. not good, bad habit
18:14	sfr	and getting up not before 11:00am i guess
18:14	o_cee	usually at 7..
18:15	o_cee	sleep is way overrated
18:15	sfr	i wish i could do that.
18:16	o_cee	heh
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18:51	-!-	Irssi: #mythtv: Total of 61 nicks 0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 61 normal
18:51	solarce[h]	mmm
18:52	-!-	Irssi: Channel: Join to #mythtv was synced in 14 secs
18:52	solarce[h]	found a decent bt878 w/ s-video and sound and some other junk for $40
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18:57	moegreen	866.652.3052 toll free
18:57	moegreen	702.975.0686 fax
18:57	moegreen	info@odintechnologies.com
18:57	moegreen	ODIN technologies is enabling Auto-ID through Trusted, Turn-Key RFID Solutions. ODIN leads the way in software and integration services for the Auto-ID, RFID, and Sensor industry. Our goal is complete client satisfaction.
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18:58	moegreen	wooops
18:58	moegreen	hehe - sorry about that
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18:58	solarce[h]	spammer
18:58	pigeon	hehe, irc spammer!
18:58	thor_	ODIN ?
18:59	thor_	seems like I should be getting a cut
18:59	moegreen	heh
18:59	solarce[h]	thor_: damn greedy norse gods :P
18:59	thor_	repeal the estate tax !
18:59	moegreen	must have had it in my copy buffer - i was trying to paste something else :)
19:00	moegreen	that would be: http://xoap.weather.com/weather/local/45242?&dayf=10
19:00	solarce[h]	so you say
19:01	mikegrb	thor_: my first job was at an isp called thor net, odin was the main dial in server
19:01	thor_	heh
19:01	mikegrb	the console had a viking hat on top of the monitor
19:01	thor_	and freya ?
19:01	mikegrb	freya == news server
19:01	thor_	loki ?
19:01	mikegrb	loki was a desktop afaik
19:01	mikegrb	long long time ago
19:02	thor_	problem with Norse gods is there aren't enough of them
19:02	mikegrb	freya as news server I thought was rather funny
19:02	mikegrb	as 90% of traffic was alt.binaries.erotica.*
19:02	thor_	freya == fertility, news server == porn
19:02	mikegrb	aye
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19:48	pcjabber	am I supposed to get a "Your mail to 'mythtv-dev' with the subject
19:48	pcjabber	... Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
19:48	pcjabber	"
19:48	pcjabber	sorry for the 3-line post
19:49	pcjabber	didnt think it was going to do that
19:49	pcjabber	the reason is "Post by a non-member to a members-only list"
19:50	kvandivo	what's your question?
19:50	pcjabber	am i supposed to get that when i submit a patch to -dev?
19:50	kvandivo	is the reason given not accurate?
19:51	pcjabber	oh i realize why!
19:51	pcjabber	i sent it from the wrong account =)
19:51	pcjabber	sorry =)
19:54	pcjabber	im a bit brain-dead today....
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21:59	pcjabber	has anyone seen my post to -dev about the TV Tome search?
21:59	thor_	yup
22:00	mikegrb	many I'm sure
22:05	pcjabber	k =)
22:05	pcjabber	just wanted to make sure it went thru
22:06	pcjabber	is there a chance it will get committed?
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22:12	thor_	mythweb, it's more or less up to Chris, he'll get back to you on it
22:14	pcjabber	k cool
22:14	pcjabber	thanks, thor_, the god of thunder =p
22:14	pcjabber	thanks much =)
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22:15	pcjabber	good night all
22:15	thor_	g'night
22:15		* pcjabber is away: I am AFK, /msg me if you need me
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23:05	billytwowilly	\| Here's a question for someone who knows about video. how easy is it to compare commercials I've marked to commercials others have marked?
23:07	billytwowilly	\| md5sums, color schemes, etc?
23:14	Netslayer	depends by what u mean when u say commercials you've marked vs others. u talking about the raw video or the commercial cut list in the db?
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23:15	billytwowilly	\| I'm talking about the raw commercials. Is there some way to generate a smaller file kinda like md5sums, that can be used to check other video against?
23:17	billytwowilly	\| perhaps a color map pattern or something??
23:17	ofer	your asking to try to compare whether one commercial is the same as another that you have recorded
23:17	ofer	?
23:17	Netslayer	comparing video will not work with md5
23:18	ofer	definatly not
23:18	Netslayer	every frame of video recorded is always different, it's like no two paintings are the same exactly
23:18	ofer	but since compression depends a lot on content, approximate filesize is not a horrible estimator
23:18	Netslayer	very true
23:18	thor_	save OTA HDTV
23:18	ofer	OTA?
23:19	thor_	over the air
23:19	Netslayer	histograms would help if u can read them off the file
23:19	ofer	HDTV is not a sure bet either, decompressors are not all the same
23:19	Netslayer	thor, save?
23:19	thor_	except for
23:19	thor_	if you could get two machines to start and stop at exactly the same time :-)
23:19	thor_	the bitstreams would be the same
23:19	thor_	so same md5
23:20	Netslayer	i wouldn't even bet on that
23:20	thor_	(but exact start and stop is vanishingly unlikely)
23:20	billytwowilly	\| I was just watching myth when it missed the commercial cut point and I thought there has to be a way to compare the same exact commercial with another one.
23:20	billytwowilly	\| like maybe a color map or something..
23:20	Netslayer	the quantum the process would get might varry
23:20	billytwowilly	\| or relations of the colors.
23:20	Netslayer	histograms = light meter aren't tehy
23:21	Netslayer	scene change, etc
23:22	billytwowilly	\| I don't know.. I was just musing about this thinking about how I recognize the commercial as a commericial I had seen previously and I thought that it was through the spatial relationships of the colors.
23:22	Netslayer	there's an interesting idea heh
23:23	billytwowilly	\| Thought there might already be a body of knowledge on this. That perhaps there was already a way to generate a small file to compare to another big file (cutscene) and see if it was a commercial
23:23	ofer	not easy at all
23:24	billytwowilly	\| Then I got lost in thinking about having a webpage where one day mythtv could download those small files and compare them against the cutscenes it detected and data on either side of the cut point to see if it missed anything;)
23:24	billytwowilly	\| But the original idea was that I recognize commercials based on spatial arrangements of colors;)
23:25	billytwowilly	\| Thought you guys might know of some research on the subject I might find interesting.
23:25	thor_	people smart, computers dumb
23:25	ofer	your asking about computer vision, tehres lots of cool research, but not specifically on commercial tracking =)
23:25	billytwowilly	\| because it kinda relates to the whole video processing thing you're doing here;)
23:27	ofer	http://www.intel.com/research/mrl/research/opencv/overview.htm
23:27	ofer	fun little library
23:29		* billytwowill sometimes thinks he would have been happier in comp sci.
23:29	thor_	bah, everything boils down to the same thing eventually
23:30	billytwowilly	\| math
23:30	thor_	skepticism
23:30	billytwowilly	\| I was close;)
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