| --- | Log | opened Mon Mar 01 00:00:54 2004 |
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| 00:38 | thor_ | Chutt, you see this: <thor_> Heh, another prediction correct: http://crazney.net/programs/itunes/authentication.html |
| 00:38 | thor_ | and <thor_> Chutt, we have problems with using that code, or do we want to try and dynamically link to his lib |
| 00:38 | thor_ | ? |
| 00:38 | thor_ | anyway, I'm just finishing dynamic linking for it |
| 00:38 | thor_ | so it's moot |
| 00:48 | Chutt | ah, ok |
| 00:48 | Chutt | how'd you find that? |
| 00:48 | thor_ | had sent a few questions out to some people month or so ago, they just got back to me |
| 00:49 | thor_ | already sent the guy a patch |
| 00:49 | thor_ | :-) |
| 00:49 | thor_ | but I _really_ want to know how he figured it out |
| 00:49 | Chutt | heh |
| 00:49 | thor_ | cause the algorithm is a bunch of stuff you just could never guess was in there |
| 00:50 | cmorgan | hey its by crazney |
| 00:50 | thor_ | he must know someone at Apple |
| 00:50 | thor_ | or at one of their licensees for iTunes connectivity |
| 00:50 | thor_ | maybe Roku |
| 00:51 | thor_ | cmorgan, you know him? |
| 00:51 | cmorgan | yes actually |
| 00:51 | cmorgan | hes a fellow wine hacker |
| 00:51 | thor_ | is he insanely smart ? |
| 00:51 | cmorgan | i've no idea |
| 00:52 | cmorgan | he seems smart |
| 00:52 | cmorgan | you think he couldn't have reverse engineered this? |
| 00:52 | thor_ | if he did, he's very very smart |
| 00:52 | cmorgan | does he say he did it himself? |
| 00:52 | thor_ | yup |
| 00:52 | cmorgan | or did he work with other people? |
| 00:52 | thor_ | well |
| 00:53 | thor_ | he says it was reverse engineered |
| 00:53 | cmorgan | well hes on irc right now |
| 00:53 | cmorgan | not sure if he is here though |
| 00:53 | thor_ | where on irc? |
| 00:53 | cmorgan | crazney_ |
| 00:53 | cmorgan | is his nick |
| 00:53 | thor_ | ah |
| 00:55 | cmorgan | i'd be interested in what he has to say about it |
| 00:55 | thor_ | yup |
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| 01:07 | mdz | so what does work as far as transcoding mythtv recordings? |
| 01:08 | Chutt | mpeg2->mpeg4 |
| 01:08 | Chutt | for internal stuff |
| 01:08 | thor_ | only thing I've ever tried is PVR-x50 to internal mpeg |
| 01:08 | thor_ | hitting X while viewing |
| 01:08 | Chutt | or substitute rtjpeg for it |
| 01:08 | thor_ | works very well |
| 01:08 | Chutt | the mpeg2->mpeg2 stuff isn't quite stable yet |
| 01:09 | mdz | nor mpeg4->mpeg4, apparently |
| 01:10 | mdz | does mythtranscode --honorcutlist work? |
| 01:11 | thor_ | dunno |
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| 01:17 | Chutt | mdz, it should |
| 01:17 | Chutt | i don't use that stuff, though |
| 01:17 | Chutt | hrm |
| 01:19 | Chutt | anyone want a crappy 200GB drive? =) |
| 01:23 | davatar | I only want 5400's :p |
| 01:23 | thor_ | there must be a way to turn that off |
| 01:24 | Chutt | i was going crazy trying to figure out what was causing all the noise |
| 01:24 | davatar | So did you try smartctl? |
| 01:24 | Chutt | yeah, no change |
| 01:25 | Chutt | i'm pondering moving the mysql log file to the drive |
| 01:25 | Chutt | well, and re-enabling logging |
| 01:25 | thor_ | heh |
| 01:25 | Chutt | that'll get hit often enough to get around the idle detection |
| 01:25 | Chutt | and it'll actually be doing something |
| 01:25 | thor_ | put mfd on it with a music sweep time of 60 seconds |
| 01:25 | thor_ | that'll do it |
| 01:25 | Chutt | idle timeout of 40 seconds |
| 01:25 | davatar | or you could plot smart data with rrd.. i.e. temp.. |
| 01:26 | thor_ | ok 30 seconds then |
| 01:26 | thor_ | :-( |
| 01:26 | davatar | i used to do that, but I found out the drives would never go into standby.. |
| 01:26 | Chutt | it's _really_ annoying |
| 01:26 | thor_ | sounds like it |
| 01:26 | Chutt | if it was just seek noise, it'd be fine |
| 01:26 | Chutt | but it's reading a ton of data at the same time |
| 01:26 | Chutt | or, i could just leave mythtv in live tv mode all the time =) |
| 01:26 | Chutt | that's quiet enough |
| 01:27 | thor_ | nicely worded e-mail to manufacturer, "there are thousands of people that use my software and are driving your sales, could I have non crappy drive please?" |
| 01:27 | davatar | Chutt: is it soft-mounted, or regular? |
| 01:27 | Chutt | soft-mounted? |
| 01:27 | davatar | rubber/dampers |
| 01:27 | Chutt | yeah |
| 01:28 | Chutt | i've got it sitting in one of the drive thingies from my antec sonata case |
| 01:28 | Chutt | it's not mounted, though =) |
| 01:28 | Chutt | no space in the case |
| 01:28 | Chutt | just sitting on the bottom |
| 01:29 | Chutt | but, yeah, it's isolated pretty well with rubber |
| 01:30 | thor_ | at the very least, 2 lines on the web site warning people not to make the same mistake ... |
| 01:31 | davatar | "Idle acoustics of 2.5 bels- the industry's best " |
| 01:31 | davatar | haha. |
| 01:32 | davatar | hmm they list a "quiet seek" at 2.8 and a "performance seek" at 3.4 |
| 01:33 | Chutt | and you can't turn on acoustic management |
| 01:33 | Chutt | to get the 'quiet seek' |
| 01:34 | Chutt | apparently, someone sued seagate over the acoustic management stuff |
| 01:34 | Chutt | so, lucky me, it's disabled |
| 01:34 | davatar | just put it on ebay and get some maxtor white labels :) I can have 7 of these under heavy io, and not be able to hear a single seek.. |
| 01:34 | davatar | data loss from that or what? |
| 01:34 | Chutt | patent infringement, is what i read |
| 01:35 | davatar | must be maxtor :) works perfectly. |
| 01:35 | thor_ | first bad thing I've heard about Seagate |
| 01:35 | thor_ | in a long time |
| 01:35 | thor_ | sucks |
| 01:35 | Chutt | i was really happy with the seagate baracuda 5 in there now |
| 01:35 | thor_ | yup |
| 01:35 | Chutt | which is why i got another seagate for the machine |
| 01:35 | thor_ | yup |
| 01:35 | thor_ | would have done exactly the same thing |
| 01:37 | Chutt | heh |
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| 01:38 | Chutt | ah well |
| 01:38 | Chutt | i'm glad i converted things over to xfs from ext3, at least |
| 01:38 | Chutt | the vast improvement in file deletion time really makes things better |
| 01:38 | thor_ | heh |
| 01:39 | Chutt | no waiting for the live-tv buffer file to delete itself after it's been on for an hour or so |
| 01:39 | thor_ | acutally, you now want it to take a long time to delete files (keep the drive busy) |
| 01:39 | Chutt | heh |
| 01:39 | thor_ | the "firmware" is not flashable ? |
| 01:40 | thor_ | or otherwise fiddle-able ? |
| 01:40 | Chutt | heh |
| 01:43 | Chutt | i'd not want to fiddle with it :p |
| 01:43 | Chutt | while it _is_ only tv recordings and re-ripable music |
| 01:44 | thor_ | you need a kickDrive() function analagous to mdz's kickDatabase() |
| 01:44 | Chutt | actually |
| 01:45 | Chutt | it would be nice to be able to have it put the drive into standby |
| 01:45 | Chutt | and then wake it up a minute or so before a recording |
| 01:45 | thor_ | or that |
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| 02:37 | thor_ | heh, it works |
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| 12:20 | steelep | anyone care to help me figure out how to make the remote control use a key overlay like this? |
| 12:20 | steelep | http://www.exideas.com./ |
| 12:21 | steelep | would make searches with text a breeze |
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| 12:33 | o_cee | steelep: that would require different styles for different languages tho |
| 12:33 | steelep | not it doesn't |
| 12:33 | steelep | -t |
| 12:33 | steelep | combination charachters are build in |
| 12:33 | o_cee | "the 9 most frequent chars" |
| 12:33 | o_cee | that's of course for english |
| 12:34 | steelep | it might take a different set for cyrrilic or kanji, but that's different |
| 12:34 | o_cee | why do you think i'd use the same chars as frequent as you use chars for english? |
| 12:34 | o_cee | for swedish that is |
| 12:34 | steelep | I've been using this thing for a month on my tabletPC and its great |
| 12:35 | o_cee | yeees |
| 12:35 | o_cee | but you're missing my point |
| 12:35 | steelep | so all you need then is a template to load the characheter order, that's no big deal |
| 12:35 | o_cee | of course not, it was just an observation |
| 12:35 | Griffon26 | can anyone tell me why mythtv keeps resetting my mixer when I play/pause/skip? |
| 12:35 | o_cee | don't see how this would be used with a remote tho, still watching flash |
| 12:36 | o_cee | Griffon26: because that's what you told mythtv to do in the sttings? |
| 12:36 | steelep | enter any alpha character with a 12 key remote... that's how |
| 12:36 | Griffon26 | o_cee: but where.. I can't find it |
| 12:36 | o_cee | steelep: enter any alpha character ? |
| 12:37 | steelep | yes |
| 12:37 | steelep | that's the point |
| 12:37 | o_cee | i don't understand |
| 12:37 | steelep | any characheter can be entered with just a numberpad |
| 12:37 | o_cee | yeah, i was wondering _how_ that's done with a remote since what i'm wathcing here includes dragging ala PDA style |
| 12:37 | steelep | see how bad my normal typing is :) |
| 12:38 | steelep | you hit 2 keys instead of dragging |
| 12:38 | steelep | go to the cellphone demo |
| 12:38 | o_cee | ah |
| 12:38 | o_cee | can't find it |
| 12:38 | o_cee | damn ugly page |
| 12:38 | steelep | you could print a letter template on a sticker or something and slap it on your remote |
| 12:39 | o_cee | ugly as hell :) |
| 12:39 | o_cee | also, alot of users already know how to use the normal cell phone thingie |
| 12:39 | o_cee | but it looks cool |
| 12:39 | o_cee | but would it be legally okay to do this in mythtv? i mean with patents and stuff? |
| 12:39 | steelep | that can take 6 keys to enter a letter though |
| 12:40 | steelep | or even more... |
| 12:40 | Griffon26 | o_cee: thanx, I found it and fixed it |
| 12:40 | o_cee | 6 keys for one letter? uhm. |
| 12:40 | o_cee | Griffon26: great |
| 12:40 | steelep | on mine, I have to hit the 9 key nine times for a capital z |
| 12:40 | steelep | that's rediculous |
| 12:41 | o_cee | oh, yeah that's stupid |
| 12:41 | o_cee | on mine i use # for upper/lowercase.. 1 contaings special chars.. |
| 12:41 | Griffon26 | I now have one problem left and that is that I cannot zap normally. Mythtv starts up on channel 16 and I can go down to 14 and then it stays on 14 if I try to go further. |
| 12:41 | steelep | so with the messageease template you hit 898 and get a capital z |
| 12:42 | Griffon26 | I think there may be an inconsistency in the db, but I haven't been able to find it. Can anyone explain the behaviour I describe? |
| 12:42 | o_cee | steelep: looks cool. but would it be legal? |
| 12:42 | steelep | sure, keyorders aren't patentable |
| 12:43 | steelep | can you imaging paying someone for the qwerty keyboard layout? |
| 12:43 | steelep | I think it would just be a nice option |
| 12:44 | steelep | I have a full kb on my mythbox, but I'd rather be able to just use a remote |
| 12:44 | o_cee | of course |
| 12:48 | mdz | steelep: what are you talking about? T9 is patented, for example |
| 12:48 | o_cee | Patent Pending |
| 12:48 | o_cee | Copyright © 2003 |
| 12:48 | o_cee | EXideas. Inc. |
| 12:48 | mdz | they have even won lawsuits |
| 12:50 | steelep | making your own software that works with the same layout is not an infringement |
| 12:50 | mdz | that is incorrect |
| 12:50 | steelep | look and feel was shot down 15 years ago |
| 12:50 | mdz | that is exactly what Zi corporation did |
| 12:51 | steelep | are you talking about hardware or software? |
| 12:51 | mdz | software |
| 12:52 | steelep | hmmm, I have to read the ruling, but if I make a piece of software that looks and acts exactly like Excel, I can, as long as all the code is my own invention |
| 12:52 | mdz | that's because the idea of a spreadsheet isn't patented |
| 12:52 | o_cee | you can patent ideas as well.. heh. |
| 12:52 | steelep | and neither is numeric key entry |
| 12:53 | o_cee | no but this method probably is as it says on their site |
| 12:53 | mdz | probably not in general, but certain methods are, yes |
| 12:53 | mdz | heh |
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| 12:53 | o_cee | i wouldn't want to go to court with it, especially not in the states :) |
| 12:54 | thor_ | luckily, I own a patent on the concept of patents, so I'm covered |
| 12:54 | o_cee | thor_: cool |
| 12:54 | o_cee | thor_: i saw the other link you posted, tried it yet? |
| 12:54 | thor_ | yup, it's all working |
| 12:55 | Chutt | poll on www.oreilly.com |
| 12:55 | Chutt | 'have you tried out mythtv yet' |
| 12:55 | thor_ | heh |
| 12:55 | mdz | Disambiguating system for disambiguating ambiguous input sequences by displaying objects associated with the generated input sequences in the order of decreasing frequency of use |
| 12:55 | thor_ | rkulagow, see O'Reilly wants a book ! |
| 12:55 | o_cee | Chutt: heh :) |
| 12:55 | steelep | must have to refresh... my poll says favorite MTA |
| 12:56 | steelep | there it is |
| 12:56 | steelep | ok, so here is how to get OUT of the patent thingy... |
| 12:56 | steelep | change a couple letter orders |
| 12:57 | steelep | that obfuscates it to invalidate the claim |
| 12:57 | steelep | allow for user definable orders, they can't patent that |
| 12:57 | o_cee | steelep: maybe.. as he said, they claimed to have worked 3 years on the letters |
| 12:57 | mdz | I didn't say it was impossible to make a system that did reduced-keyboard text entry without violating their patent |
| 12:57 | steelep | then if someone personally changes the order back to the same as a patentable one, there is nothing that can be done |
| 12:57 | mdz | you said that you couldn't patent key layouts, and I said you were wrong |
| 12:57 | _rkulagow | thor: i wrote to them a few weeks ago, haven't heard back yet on whether they want a mythtv book that _i_ would write. |
| 12:58 | steelep | ok, I recind my naive comment about patents |
| 12:58 | steelep | however |
| 12:58 | steelep | you can make software that is capable of duplicating it without violating their patent |
| 12:59 | o_cee | a first step to making the current way would be the patch that's on mythtv-dev with the phoneentry stuff |
| 12:59 | steelep | since myth is a prime example of using a remote for everything a system like this makes perfect sense as an add on to myth |
| 12:59 | mdz | I'm amazed that you were able to digest their 7 patents so quickly to come to that conclusion |
| 13:00 | mdz | and also all related patents |
| 13:00 | steelep | come on mdz, don't be daft |
| 13:00 | steelep | there is already competition that does the same thing with a different layout |
| 13:00 | steelep | I can name 2 |
| 13:01 | mdz | I can name one which got a US$9M judgement against them by the courts |
| 13:02 | steelep | and you really think they will be able to go after an OpenSource program that can only be forced to work like theirs... |
| 13:02 | mdz | no, I think you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to intellectual property law |
| 13:02 | steelep | so you are saying that they have patented key chording on a remote? |
| 13:02 | steelep | that's absurd |
| 13:03 | steelep | now if I went out and tried to make a duplicate software specifically to compete with them using the exact same technique, I would expect to be sued |
| 13:09 | _rkulagow | chutt: here? |
| 13:09 | Chutt | yup |
| 13:09 | o_cee | _rkulagow: that commit.. didn't you apply davids patch? for the new scheduler? |
| 13:09 | _rkulagow | docs sync please? |
| 13:09 | _rkulagow | o_cee: sorry, which commit? |
| 13:09 | o_cee | "Update protocol version; don't think there are any major things that break |
| 13:09 | o_cee | right now. Remove extra punctuation." |
| 13:09 | o_cee | maybe i'm very delayed here :) |
| 13:09 | _rkulagow | oh, crap. you mean the mythweb thing. |
| 13:09 | o_cee | yeah |
| 13:09 | _rkulagow | hold on a second. |
| 13:09 | o_cee | i haven't cvs updated since the scheduler patch |
| 13:10 | o_cee | but david engel posted a mythweb patch |
| 13:10 | _rkulagow | that's why i hate stepping on other people's code. hold on. |
| 13:10 | o_cee | (haven't tried either the new sched or the old mythweb or the patch) |
| 13:11 | Chutt | docs updated |
| 13:11 | o_cee | Re: [mythtv] Next Scheduler Patch (and mythweb patch) |
| 13:12 | TomW | Chutt: hello, I see what you were talking about with software decoders vs. hardware video decoders. The GeForce 440 card video is good, but it is not a good as that of the PVR-350's TVOUT. |
| 13:12 | _rkulagow | o_cee: yeah, i see it. no, i didn't apply the other scheduler patches to mythweb. all i did was bump the proto version number. let me see if the rest of the patch breaks anything. brb. |
| 13:13 | Chutt | well, bumping the proto version without the patch breaks things =) |
| 13:13 | _rkulagow | chutt: right, which is why i shouldn't fuck with things like that. |
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| 13:22 | _rkulagow | ok, i've applied the patch that david sent to the list on my box and have scheduled "the bold and the beautiful", which should kick off in 8 minutes. |
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| 13:35 | o_cee | Chutt: how'd i track down this problem i have; when watching in-progress recordings it jumps out of the recording saying it's finished. i get the menu asking you what to do, and even tho i select 'keep watching' it jumps back to the watch recording screen.. |
| 13:35 | o_cee | does it maybe a couple of times per hour or so |
| 13:42 | thor_ | Hmmm, people promising to speed up music loading .... is it already the first of the month again ? |
| 13:43 | thor_ | Only 24 hours left before the next "we should have a forum" thread begins |
| 13:43 | dja | I thought that was a weekly discussion, not a monthly... |
| 13:43 | dja | and to think, we just got done with "why is there a slight delay when watching livetv"... |
| 13:44 | thor_ | "but I don't want to be able to pause liv tv !" |
| 13:44 | dja | :-) |
| 13:44 | o_cee | "channel changes are so sloooow" |
| 13:44 | o_cee | my pvr-250 is dead.. firmware timeout.. need to shut it down dammit :/ |
| 13:44 | thor_ | what's an ioctl and where should I download it from |
| 13:45 | dja | I have to admit, I find the slowness annoying, but I understand why it happens. I also no longer watch livetv, only recorded shows...:-) |
| 13:45 | dja | wow, I've never seen the pvr-250 die so hard that an rmmod, insmod didn't fix it. |
| 13:45 | dja | http://www.getaclue.com |
| 13:48 | o_cee | dja: well when the firmware dies with error -16 you're pretty much dead |
| 13:49 | o_cee | reocrding other stuff on card1 so i don't want to rmmod it anyway |
| 13:49 | o_cee | with the 350 tvout, you get faster channel switches.. or at least you get the first frame of the new video paused, then it buffers up and it unpauses.. kinda, neat.. i think.. |
| 13:49 | dja | I've had enough issues with mine that I created a cron job (runs at 4am) that rmmod's and insmod's the driver. :-) |
| 13:50 | o_cee | hehe |
| 13:50 | o_cee | problem is that i restarted the box.. measured its power consumption.. if i have it running i've never had it just die on me |
| 13:52 | dja | I've had the picture get completely scrambled a couple of times, I've also had the lines going through the picture. After the cronjob, I've only had it mess up once in the last 2 months. :-) |
| 13:53 | o_cee | i was stunned by the low power consumption actually.. and i can't see how it'd measure it wrongly.. between 1-3 W normal, peaked at like 100 W sometime.. |
| 13:54 | dja | wow |
| 13:57 | o_cee | yeah.. and that's with 2 pvrs 1 hdd and 1 nvidia.. still a bit suspicous about it |
| 14:20 | thor_ | (sigh) Q1: How does mythmusic work? Q2: Ignoring your response, I assume it does a select in a for loop while parsing a string, why does it do that? |
| 14:26 | dja | thor_: I hear there's a 12-step program for those who try to help on the -users list. :-) |
| 14:27 | thor_ | I keep stumbling over the belief in a higher power step |
| 14:27 | thor_ | 'cause I have evidence to the contrary |
| 14:28 | thor_ | (see -users list) |
| 14:28 | kvandivo | na.. i'll wait for the movie |
| 14:34 | bitbyte | anyone here running a shuttle? i know someone in one of the myth channels was |
| 14:35 | steelep | I run a Mega, basically the same thing unless its a driver issue |
| 14:36 | bitbyte | the msi? |
| 14:37 | bitbyte | i'm actually looking for info regarding using the digital inputs |
| 14:37 | steelep | yeah, the msi |
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| 14:38 | bitbyte | i know someone in one of the myth related channels was using a shuttle |
| 14:38 | steelep | I use the digital ins to connect the sound from my dvd player and a remote mp3 player |
| 14:39 | steelep | all I had to do was go into alsa setting and turn it on |
| 14:39 | steelep | it's set to analog by default |
| 14:39 | bitbyte | for spdif? |
| 14:40 | bitbyte | sweet |
| 14:40 | bitbyte | what chipset is yours? |
| 14:40 | steelep | intel 810 |
| 14:40 | bitbyte | hm |
| 14:40 | bitbyte | the shuttle i'm lookin at has nforce2 |
| 14:40 | bitbyte | the shuttle has an addon to give me coaxial in/out and optical in/out |
| 14:41 | steelep | should be the same, your just tell it to listen on the digital lines in alsa |
| 14:41 | bitbyte | hmm ok |
| 14:41 | steelep | if oyu use one of the gui settings editors its a checkbox |
| 14:41 | bitbyte | cuz the alsa site only lists support on the nforce, says nothig about the nforce2 |
| 14:41 | bitbyte | altho ppl hav ewritten they got the outputs ot work for nforce2, no one mentions inputs, i dont think many people do it |
| 14:42 | bitbyte | i'm not oposed to buying the msi, does it have the spdif inputs by default? or did you ahev to add something? |
| 14:42 | bitbyte | and is it toslink or coaxial? |
| 14:43 | steelep | toslink |
| 14:43 | steelep | but I think you can make the mic accept digital as well, I never tried it |
| 14:44 | bitbyte | i only really need toslink |
| 14:44 | bitbyte | my dishnetwork 6000 has toslink output |
| 14:44 | steelep | I wouldn't buy the msi again only because the reason I bought it was for the lcd and that's useless in pc mode |
| 14:44 | bitbyte | as do most peices of satellite gear if they support dolby out |
| 14:44 | bitbyte | ya i heard that |
| 14:45 | bitbyte | since its a myth box, it's always on |
| 14:45 | bitbyte | hmm |
| 14:45 | steelep | i've had an echostar connected to the toslink on the msi, worked great |
| 14:46 | steelep | 7200 though, not a 6000 |
| 14:46 | steelep | but the idea is the same |
| 14:46 | bitbyte | yeah |
| 14:46 | bitbyte | so did you have trouble controlling the box? |
| 14:46 | steelep | didn't try |
| 14:46 | bitbyte | thats my biggest concern |
| 14:46 | bitbyte | ah |
| 14:46 | bitbyte | i may even go over to dtv because of it |
| 14:46 | bitbyte | i really hate IRBlasters |
| 14:46 | bitbyte | altho im usign one on my replaytv now |
| 14:47 | bitbyte | my goal is to get rid of the tivo and replays |
| 14:47 | steelep | wasn't recording from it, I just had limited toslink ins and chanied it through the pc until I got an autodetector |
| 14:47 | bitbyte | altogether |
| 14:47 | bitbyte | well, isn't getting the input to work at all the biggest problem? |
| 14:47 | dataworm | How well does DVB card work under linux? |
| 14:48 | steelep | if I could make mythdvb work in the us, I'd toss this 7200 in a heartbeat |
| 14:48 | steelep | but if you have a 6000 for HD you will be disappointed |
| 14:48 | bitbyte | i dont plan on recording hd from it |
| 14:48 | bitbyte | it's just what i have |
| 14:48 | steelep | most of the HD stuff is cinverting over to qspk |
| 14:48 | dataworm | steelep : personally I am waiting to receive a DVB-c(digital cable) card, no idea if it gonna work |
| 14:48 | steelep | the dvb cards are all 8spk |
| 14:48 | bitbyte | qspk? |
| 14:49 | bitbyte | 8spk |
| 14:49 | bitbyte | ah |
| 14:49 | dataworm | 8spk? |
| 14:49 | bitbyte | theres a card that goes inthe 6k for that |
| 14:49 | steelep | suffice it to say, they won't decode the HD signals |
| 14:49 | bitbyte | thats what discovery channel HD uses right? |
| 14:49 | steelep | I don't remember the letters offhand |
| 14:49 | dataworm | steelep they don't decode HD? I beleived they do |
| 14:49 | dataworm | arg! |
| 14:50 | bitbyte | anyhow, it's not my intention to use the 6k for recording hd at all |
| 14:50 | steelep | data, ONLY if its 8somethineruther, not Q |
| 14:50 | bitbyte | it's just the best unit i have |
| 14:50 | bitbyte | only one with dolby toslink out |
| 14:50 | steelep | you can probably get all the BEV stuff |
| 14:51 | steelep | at least for now |
| 14:51 | steelep | but I refrain from yacking about that in here anymore |
| 14:51 | bitbyte | hehe |
| 14:53 | bitbyte | see, on the alsa site, your i810 chipset is listed as being supported |
| 14:54 | bitbyte | what cpu you using steelep? |
| 14:56 | steelep | had a p4-1.8, now I have a P4-2.8c |
| 14:57 | steelep | not a huge difference in decoding |
| 14:57 | steelep | but giant difference in transcoding |
| 14:57 | bitbyte | ah |
| 14:57 | bitbyte | does intell fare better than amd or is it purely a personal choice? |
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| 14:59 | steelep | mostly personal choice, I tend to think intel is more stable, but it's probably just a longterm bias of mine |
| 14:59 | bitbyte | ya |
| 14:59 | bitbyte | i've felt that too |
| 14:59 | bitbyte | but the amd's a reso much cheaper |
| 14:59 | bitbyte | are so* |
| 14:59 | steelep | there has to be a reason other than supply and demand :) |
| 15:00 | bitbyte | i can think of many |
| 15:00 | bitbyte | i emailed the guy who said he'd gotte his going, i dont know that because he got the output going that it means the inputs work as well |
| 15:00 | steelep | most specs put graphic transcoding on the intel ahead of amd |
| 15:01 | bitbyte | what do you transcode? |
| 15:01 | steelep | mpg to xvid |
| 15:01 | bitbyte | ah |
| 15:01 | bitbyte | i dont evision myself doing that |
| 15:01 | bitbyte | i'm not a big xvid fan |
| 15:01 | steelep | no reason to waste dvds on tv shows |
| 15:01 | steelep | I can put 14 shows on a dvd with xvid |
| 15:01 | bitbyte | i like divx, but not xvid |
| 15:02 | bitbyte | oh i know |
| 15:02 | steelep | same difference |
| 15:02 | Chutt | 'hey, i want to optimize things' |
| 15:02 | bitbyte | ever tried to make an xvid into something else tho? |
| 15:02 | steelep | I use both |
| 15:02 | Chutt | 'but, i can't code worth shit' |
| 15:02 | Chutt | 'so, can you tell me how to do it?' |
| 15:02 | steelep | xvid just seems to go smoother for me |
| 15:02 | bitbyte | howdy chutt |
| 15:03 | steelep | it really a bunch of trial and error to get your settings where you like them, then just use it as a template |
| 15:03 | bitbyte | ya |
| 15:03 | bitbyte | i made an mpg from an xvid, it was a nightmare |
| 15:03 | steelep | transcode 1 minute spots until the output is how you like it |
| 15:03 | bitbyte | the audio woulnt be in there whenit was done. seems to be a common problem |
| 15:04 | bitbyte | had to rip it seperately then put it back in from mp3 with tmpgenc |
| 15:04 | bitbyte | sucked |
| 15:04 | steelep | I really like transcoding the whole show then editing in avi, which is a hell of alot easier than editing mpeg2 |
| 15:04 | bitbyte | ya |
| 15:04 | bitbyte | not many shows on today i wanna keep |
| 15:04 | bitbyte | if i wanna keep em, dvd's are cheap. hehe |
| 15:05 | steelep | if you try to edit the mpeg you will have problems unless you retimecode the whole thing |
| 15:05 | bitbyte | womble |
| 15:05 | bitbyte | :) |
| 15:06 | bitbyte | i do it all the time with my replays |
| 15:06 | steelep | there is probably a weay to convert the cut list over to the same place in the avi, but I never thought about how to do it yet |
| 15:07 | bitbyte | hmm, wait a second, that sn41g2 only has ONE pci slot! ack |
| 15:07 | bitbyte | fork |
| 15:07 | bitbyte | back to the drawing board |
| 15:07 | steelep | I really, really want a template to convert HD over to avi, then I will retire all this other crap I use and just use myth |
| 15:08 | bitbyte | you using a pcHDTV card? |
| 15:08 | steelep | no, I have a MyHD |
| 15:08 | bitbyte | ah |
| 15:08 | bitbyte | my buddy has one of those |
| 15:08 | bitbyte | pit the software sucks so bad |
| 15:08 | bitbyte | pity |
| 15:08 | steelep | I hate the damn software |
| 15:08 | bitbyte | the card seems very good |
| 15:08 | steelep | the card works slendid |
| 15:08 | steelep | spledid |
| 15:08 | bitbyte | heheh |
| 15:09 | bitbyte | you type like me |
| 15:09 | steelep | I suck, I don't pay attention when I type |
| 15:09 | bitbyte | if they were smart theyd fix the software and then theyd have amajor hit on their hands |
| 15:09 | steelep | that's what spell checkers are for |
| 15:09 | bitbyte | dont think theyd be able to keep em on the shelves if they did that |
| 15:09 | bitbyte | or hell, even if they'd let some developer have the specs so they could build a driver |
| 15:10 | steelep | if they where really smart, they'd make an opensource driver and they would sell 10x as many units |
| 15:10 | bitbyte | i did see a sourcforge project for making a myhd driver for linux |
| 15:10 | steelep | but who says hardware vendors are smart... |
| 15:10 | bitbyte | but the proponent is on hiaitus now |
| 15:10 | bitbyte | so devel has basically stopped |
| 15:10 | bitbyte | shame |
| 15:10 | steelep | it doesn't work, at lest not yet, I tried it |
| 15:10 | bitbyte | ya |
| 15:10 | bitbyte | it's pretty basic |
| 15:10 | steelep | he stopped when the pchd came out |
| 15:11 | bitbyte | that sucks |
| 15:11 | steelep | maybe i'll just ebay this myhd |
| 15:11 | bitbyte | the pchdtv pales in comparison from a hardware standpoint |
| 15:11 | steelep | I think so too, that's the only rason i've held on to it |
| 15:11 | bitbyte | especially because it upconverts everything you put in it |
| 15:11 | steelep | all I do is record with it, then convert everything and watch it on myth |
| 15:12 | steelep | but converting is still really friggin slow |
| 15:12 | bitbyte | to be honest, if te pchdtv had hardware decoding it might be better. altho i've never seen one so it's purely speculative |
| 15:12 | steelep | I need a beowulf cluster to do my transcodes :) |
| 15:12 | bitbyte | haha |
| 15:12 | steelep | nah, hardware decoding is not the time consuming part |
| 15:13 | steelep | at least not with a decent proc |
| 15:13 | bitbyte | transocding, i know, ive built many a dvd |
| 15:13 | bitbyte | converted lots of vid from one stndrd to another |
| 15:13 | steelep | it's the multiple passes to make a decent avi that is time consuming |
| 15:13 | bitbyte | i transcoded a pal dvd to ntsc once |
| 15:13 | bitbyte | whatta pain |
| 15:13 | steelep | 2 pass is an absolute minimum |
| 15:13 | bitbyte | ya |
| 15:14 | steelep | but if you get your template done you can just batch the transcode, it's not that bad |
| 15:14 | steelep | but some nights I have 4 or 5 show that need transcoding, one day I'll get the system all worked out |
| 15:14 | steelep | nothing is automagic today |
| 15:15 | bitbyte | hehe |
| 15:15 | bitbyte | myth is light years ahead of the pack in features |
| 15:15 | bitbyte | i had high hopes for the moxi when they announced it a couple of years back |
| 15:15 | bitbyte | ti's still nto out |
| 15:15 | bitbyte | prolly cost to much when and if it finally does come out |
| 15:16 | steelep | myth is awesome |
| 15:16 | steelep | by FAR better than anything else |
| 15:16 | Chutt | so where's your mythmusic playlists patch? :p |
| 15:16 | steelep | as a collective package at least |
| 15:16 | steelep | buried on my desk :) |
| 15:17 | steelep | I am so far behind its rediculous |
| 15:17 | Chutt | that's ok, so'm i |
| 15:17 | bitbyte | hody chutt |
| 15:17 | bitbyte | howdy even |
| 15:17 | steelep | school kicked my ass, I thought I could breeze through, but homework load is homework load, no way around it |
| 15:18 | steelep | I have learn one really important thing though... |
| 15:18 | steelep | JAVA Sux the donkey's noodle |
| 15:19 | bitbyte | hehe |
| 15:20 | steelep | maybe i'm just lazy, but gui design without a decent IDE is a giant PITA |
| 15:20 | steelep | and I don't consider netbeans a decent ide |
| 15:21 | steelep | I'll really be happy when next semester is over and I can do machine code and c++ instead of this crap |
| 15:21 | bitbyte | brb |
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| 15:50 | bitbyte | hi sfr |
| 15:52 | sfr | bitbyte, hi |
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| 17:12 | thor_ | ok, I give up |
| 17:12 | | * mikegrb gives thor_ a cupcake |
| 17:12 | thor_ | hmmm, cupcake |
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| 17:27 | o_cee | cupcake? |
| 17:28 | thor_ | hmmm, cupcakes |
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| 17:28 | o_cee | cupcakes? |
| 17:29 | kvandivo | cupcakes rock |
| 17:29 | o_cee | what is it? |
| 17:29 | o_cee | ah |
| 17:29 | o_cee | we call that a muffin |
| 17:29 | kvandivo | like a muffin, except cake |
| 17:29 | o_cee | what's the difference ? |
| 17:30 | kvandivo | literally, it's just cake mix in a cupcake |
| 17:30 | o_cee | right |
| 17:30 | o_cee | that didn't make sense at all to me :) |
| 17:30 | thor_ | muffin --> fiber, good for colon |
| 17:30 | thor_ | cupcake --> sugar |
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| 17:30 | billytwowilly | | e gads! thor is talking about his colon! |
| 17:30 | o_cee | oh right.. :) |
| 17:31 | thor_ | been reading -users |
| 17:31 | o_cee | colon -> grovtarm in swedish.. so now you know that |
| 17:31 | thor_ | I'm sure that will come in handy |
| 17:31 | o_cee | yeh |
| 17:31 | o_cee | you never know |
| 17:31 | | * o_cee tries writing a hash table thingie |
| 17:31 | kvandivo | http://www.bellybytes.com/recipes/muffins.shtml talks about some of the differences |
| 17:31 | thor_ | "My submarine is full of eels" |
| 17:32 | o_cee | " on the frontends because of a UI issue. Lame." <--- hahahhahaha |
| 17:32 | thor_ | I have closed my mail client |
| 17:33 | thor_ | and am taking deep breaths |
| 17:33 | o_cee | "Should be fun, I've never written anything in |
| 17:33 | o_cee | C++ before" <-- what kinda stupid fucks are they? |
| 17:35 | billytwowilly | | it's like my own myth mailing list digest;) |
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| 17:43 | o_cee | stupid cat |
| 17:43 | o_cee | jumped up my arm biting me |
| 17:44 | dja_ | o_cee: isn't that redundant :-) |
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| 17:45 | o_cee | what is |
| 17:46 | dja_ | "stupid cat" |
| 17:46 | o_cee | heh |
| 17:46 | o_cee | he'll loose his balls tomorrow |
| 17:46 | o_cee | he's nice, but a pita at the moment |
| 17:46 | dja_ | :-) |
| 17:47 | thor_ | not a peta |
| 17:47 | thor_ | pita |
| 17:47 | thor_ | heh |
| 17:47 | dja_ | yeah, I've got 2, both are 18 years old. |
| 17:47 | o_cee | mine's like 7-8 months :) |
| 17:47 | kvandivo | awww |
| 17:48 | dja_ | those are the good times...enjoy them...:-) |
| 17:48 | o_cee | my arms are constantly scratched up.. this last attack caused me like 10cm mark on my left arm, heh |
| 17:48 | kvandivo | they say that animals (and kids, i suppose) are babies and young when we first get them so that we can learn to love them. that way, we can put up with their antics when they get older |
| 17:49 | dja_ | having 4 children, I strongly agree with that :-) |
| 17:49 | o_cee | hehehe |
| 17:49 | thor_ | my GOD iTunes is stupid |
| 17:50 | o_cee | duuh |
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| 17:50 | thor_ | bah, I need to walk around the block before I have a coronary |
| 17:51 | o_cee | dammit, i need to use the dictionary all the time |
| 17:51 | o_cee | ah :) hehhe, get some fresh air |
| 17:58 | billytwowilly | | thor_, I thought you loved itunes... |
| 18:02 | kvandivo | it's possible to love things that are being stupid.. see my previous comment |
| 18:03 | o_cee | hah |
| 18:03 | o_cee | thanks kvandivo |
| 18:03 | o_cee | ;) |
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| 19:45 | gfoster | Hi folks - Have a question you may be able to answer. Are there "under the hood" issues with SMP and Myth 0.14, ivtv 0.1.9 ? |
| 19:47 | jams | gfoster, smp and myth in general has some problems for people, check the mailing lists it's been discussed there |
| 19:48 | gfoster | jams Thanks. Didn't know if I was fighting in ivtv/pvr_350 issue, or my test bed was the culprit. (recording stops when 'watch recording' selected). I'll check it out. |
| 19:50 | Chutt | it's generally ivtv. |
| 19:52 | jams | then let me rephrase that ivtv and smp have problems for some people :) |
| 19:54 | niqo | smp with dvb is working very well (here at least) |
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| 19:56 | gfoster | Don't want to cloud the channel, but kicking a non-smp kernel against this dell workstation should prove/disprove the smp issues, shouldn't it ? Or does the architecture cause problems, even if the kernel is non-smp on top ? |
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| 20:00 | jams | gfoster, feel free to join mythtv-users "the official user-to-user support channel" |
| 20:01 | o_cee | Chutt: you didn't check in that segfault fix? forgot about it and crashed mythbackend today, heh |
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| 20:31 | thor_ | heh, well at least I managed to piss off Ed |
| 20:41 | thor_ | Your pcHDTV order has shipped. |
| 20:41 | thor_ | yeah |
| 20:41 | Chutt | ed who? |
| 20:41 | Chutt | o_cee, not yet, been busy |
| 20:42 | thor_ | Ed, the guy screaming at me on -dev that I should not write crappy code |
| 20:42 | thor_ | :-) |
| 20:42 | Chutt | the same guy that was asking for help finding things? |
| 20:42 | thor_ | yup |
| 20:43 | Chutt | haha |
| 20:43 | Chutt | funny |
| 20:43 | thor_ | how's retirement ? |
| 20:43 | Chutt | eh |
| 20:44 | Chutt | need to get my resume finished |
| 20:44 | thor_ | heh |
| 20:44 | Chutt | so i can post it somewhere |
| 20:45 | thor_ | I suspect Roku would be interested, given that they seem to have some money and are rolling out more home media playing stuff |
| 20:45 | Chutt | those generictree improvements i checked in relatively recently were something around a 3x speed up for most cases |
| 20:45 | thor_ | heh |
| 20:45 | Chutt | could do more, probably |
| 20:45 | Chutt | but i haven't b |
