TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#mythtv:2004:02:27

---	Log	opened Fri Feb 27 00:00:39 2004
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00:31	John-Kimble	hey guys, is there much suport for CAM's under myth
00:32	thor_	Computer Aided Modelling ?
00:32	thor_	no, not much
00:33	John-Kimble	Conditional Access Module Support
00:33	John-Kimble	how limited we talking here ?
00:36	mdz	you are talking about DVB
00:36	mdz	thor and I do not live in DVB territory
00:37	John-Kimble	Yep i want to use foxtel sat with mythtv
00:37	mdz	CAM would be an issue for the DVB drivers, not mythtv
00:37	John-Kimble	k
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00:40	thor_	is uint8_t (or something similar) even remotely portable ?
00:41	thor_	alternatively, is "char is always 1 byte long" a portable hypothesis?
01:02	John-Kimble	also has anyone tested mythtv with directfb ?
01:09	mdz	thor_: yes, and also yes
01:09	thor_	gracias
01:09	mdz	thor_: portable integer types are in <stdint.h>
01:09	mdz	ISO C99
01:09	thor_	muchos gracias
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03:12	mechou	Is it worthwhile to use XvMC w/nvidia's latest drivers with myth? Or would I get bad results?
03:13	John-Kimble	i've had good results with matrix g550+directFB+mplayer
03:13	John-Kimble	cant say much for anything else
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03:14	mechou	heh, you meant matrox, right?
03:14	John-Kimble	hehe yeah
03:15	mechou	I've got geforce3 on one of my machines. Not even sure if that card supports XvMC in HW......
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03:19	mechou	well, according to nvidia docs. XvMC only supported on Geforce4. bah.
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03:30	John-Kimble	i wanna know if anyone's used myhttv with directfb
03:30	John-Kimble	and how well it runs
03:31	John-Kimble	also does mythtv have anything to like libsoftmpeg to handel changing channels better
03:31	John-Kimble	cuz changing feeds through mplayer takes time if not using it
03:31	John-Kimble	due to buffering that is
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03:34	mikegrb	what does cuz mean?
03:34	John-Kimble	because
03:34	mikegrb	oh
03:35	mikegrb	didn't follow you there
03:35	mikegrb	answer is no, by design
03:36	John-Kimble	yeah thought as much
03:36	John-Kimble	thx
03:36	John-Kimble	this might interest u http://linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/libsoftmpeg/IDEAS?rev=1.2&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup
03:36	mikegrb	thx?
03:37	John-Kimble	thx = thanks
03:38	mikegrb	oh
03:38	John-Kimble	see vdr uses thing thing called softmpeg to fix these problems , Does VDR use something simular ? how does it handel software decoding lantencies with changing feeds ?
03:38	mikegrb	well from skimming through that it doesn't seem to realy apply to mythtv
03:39	mikegrb	the problem they are talking about and the delay in mythtv aren't the same thing
03:39	John-Kimble	how is it diff when it uses the same libs for dvb
03:40	mikegrb	the seem concerned with going from dvb -> display
03:40	mikegrb	that isn't at all what mythtv does
03:40	mikegrb	it goes from some source -> encode -> disk -> decode -> display
03:42	John-Kimble	yeah thats fine for pre-recorded stuff
03:42	John-Kimble	what about live
03:42	mikegrb	that isn't how mythtv works
03:42	mikegrb	mythtv is for time shifting
03:42	mikegrb	it is pvr software
03:42	mikegrb	not for watching live tv
03:43	mikegrb	if you don't do it that way you can't pause/rewind/ff while watching live tv
03:43	John-Kimble	yeah, but u can watch live tv through myth, isnt it when u call a pause command it when it stops buffering and writes the feed to hdd ?
03:44	John-Kimble	i thought with myth uses mplayer to play feeds
03:44	mikegrb	no
03:44	mikegrb	mythtv has it's own player
03:44	mikegrb	internal
03:44	John-Kimble	k
03:44	mikegrb	k?
03:44	John-Kimble	k = ok
03:44	mikegrb	oh, ok
03:44	John-Kimble	do u use irc much ?
03:44	mikegrb	u?
03:44	mikegrb	oh, you?
03:44	John-Kimble	u = you :)
03:45	John-Kimble	ill take that as a no
03:45	mikegrb	so-so, I'm staff on another network so that generally means I'm expected to be on IRC quite a bit
03:45	mikegrb	do you?
03:46	John-Kimble	im sorry im just used to people knowing irc abbreviations :)
03:47	mikegrb	I'm sorry I'm just used to people taking the time to type stuff out when they expect me to take the time to respond.
03:47	John-Kimble	ok
03:48	John-Kimble	thanks for the information
03:48	mikegrb	No problem
03:48	Matt	morning mike
03:48	mikegrb	hey Matt
03:48	mikegrb	guess it is morning now
03:48	Matt	still up eh?
03:48	mikegrb	it appears that way :p
03:49	mikegrb	I'm transcoded an episode of Modern Marvels for EE
03:49	mikegrb	was missing some pre-req's to run nuvexport with the output of the pvr card
03:49	mikegrb	by the time those were compiled and installed wasn't much point in going to bed
03:49	Matt	heh
03:50	mikegrb	now if only the status output of transcode was mentioned on either their website, their man page, somewhere in a mailing list archive, or some other crazy place I'd be set
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04:17	Matt	mike, souce?
04:22	mikegrb	Matt: souce?
04:23	o_cee	hmm.. could anyone try starting a recording from within the epg while watching live tv with current cvs? seems something is broken..
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04:30	Matt	source
04:31	Matt	just a thought, is there a way to get it to start recording the tv show you're watching, other than going into the epg?
04:31	Matt	and what would be really neat is if it could pull what there is of the programme out of the ringbuffer :&)
04:32	Matt	for those occasions you get 20 mins in and go "I wish I'd recorded that"
04:32	mikegrb	yup
04:32	mikegrb	right now you do cp /mnt/store/ringbuffer.nuv /mnt/store/hindsight/20-20.nuv
04:33	Matt	lol, indeed
04:33	Matt	it'd be nice to do with with some knowledge of programme start time too :&)
04:33	mikegrb	right
04:34	Matt	damn, I hate having ideas and not have time to work on them :&/
04:37		* mikegrb waves a wand and 3 watches appear on Matt's arm
04:37	mikegrb	Matt: don't really
04:37	mikegrb	there are really four 24 hour days in one earth rotation
04:37	mikegrb	you are educated stupid, with the ways of the time cube, time will be not your limit
04:38	mikegrb	http://www.timecube.com
04:38	mikegrb	</Dr. mikegrb>
04:39	Matt	lol
04:39	mikegrb	laugh not you, you leave earth barren for future generations
04:41		* Matt laughs a lot
04:42	Matt	that guy is a nutcase
04:43	Matt	4 is such an arbitrary number by his reasoning
04:43	Matt	you could just as well argue earth was spherical, so there are an infinate number :&)
04:51	Matt	there are some real nutters out there
05:00	o_cee	damn, no chuttie around
05:00	o_cee	"mian's live-tv capture card toggle code. Speed it up a bit on the transition by
05:00	o_cee	not doing the in-progress recording stuff." <-- i think that's the reason..
05:00	o_cee	couldn't any of you try it?
05:01	o_cee	the epg says it's recording
05:01	o_cee	and live-tv gets shifted over to my second card
05:01	o_cee	and the first card starts recording but don't actually record anything
05:42	niqo	John-Kimble: There is limited DVB CAM support in MythTV, it's been decrypting channels for me since last summer, but it won't do any of the CAM menus 'n stuff
05:43	niqo	John-Kimble: http://www.ethics-gradient.net/myth/mythdvb.html
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05:51	o_cee	hi Chutt, i just send you a nice bt :)
06:10	Chutt	o_cee, fixed it in my local tree
06:10	Chutt	need to test, though, before i can commit
06:11	Chutt	especially as i'm mostly asleep.
06:18	o_cee	oh, way cool :) i'm so impressed that you can fix things from a backtrace like that
06:18	Chutt	most of the time, it's pretty obvious
06:19	o_cee	yeah, guess it's easier if you're familiar with the code and know where to look
06:19	Chutt	don't really have to be familiar with the code
06:19	o_cee	that was probably the problem with the 350 problem i mentioned as well..
06:19	Chutt	0x0805a7b8 in RingBuffer::GetStopReads() (this=0x0)
06:19	Chutt	0x0 is bad :p
06:19	o_cee	oh :)
06:20	Chutt	so it's just a matter of figuring out why it got that way
06:20	Chutt	in this case, bad locking in the TVRec object
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06:20	gulliver	hi all
06:20	gulliver	I just updated my cvs today and noticed, that the generictree-class is somewhat modified
06:20	o_cee	well glad you could find it because i couldn't get it to segfault all the time
06:21	Chutt	o_cee, right, it's was a race condition
06:22	gulliver	instead of my_(ordered_)subnodes there are now m_ordered_subnodes, which are not anymore of type QPtrList<GenericTree>, but of type SortableGenericTreeList
06:22	Chutt	err, it
06:22	Chutt	gulliver, yes, it changed.
06:22	gulliver	now I have a function which created a QPtrListIterator this way: QPtrListIterator<GenericTree> it( my_ordered_subnodes );
06:22	o_cee	Chutt: is there any way to make such cases easier to trigger with gdb running?
06:23	Chutt	gulliver, so?
06:23	Chutt	o_cee, nope
06:23	gulliver	in the new version I can't see how I have to do it now?!
06:23	Chutt	gulliver, look at the code
06:23	Chutt	geez
06:24	gulliver	doh, found it. was just a stupid pointer-mistake
06:24	gulliver	thanks anyway
06:25	Chutt	every single question you've asked in here could have been answered by spending 2 seconds with the source.
06:35	o_cee	Chutt: will you apply the log module? have to fix a watermark for it in that case..
06:35	Chutt	probably
06:35	o_cee	k.
06:35	Chutt	i haven't looked at it much, yet
06:36	o_cee	haven't tried it either
06:43	niqo	o_cee: i don't see that here...
06:46	niqo	o_cee: sure you have applied the lastest correctly?
06:49	niqo	i hate the new comboboxsetting behavior, gulping up my accepts..
06:51	niqo	o_cee: i was testing in my desktop, and it was drawing it to fast for me to see, i can see it on my epia...
06:51	niqo	damn
07:01	o_cee	niqo: yeah.. another way to try it is to export the display to another computer.. or try "scan for new music" in mythmusic
07:06	niqo	don't see it in mythmusic either... :) i'll do the checking on the epia
07:08	o_cee	what kinda machine is that :) i've at least got 2ghz and i see it
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07:12	niqo	2.4 or something, don't remember
07:13	o_cee	odd.. ah well
07:13	o_cee	need to run, talk to you later
07:14	niqo	yup
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09:50	YamahaBrez	can i use something to emit ir signals to my directv receiver to change the channel instead of a serial cable?
09:53	rkulagow	yamahabrez: yes. build an IR blaster as specced in the "simple transmitter" circuit at lirc.org
09:54	rkulagow	and check the archives of the mailing list, since there are a lot of people doing this.
09:55	YamahaBrez	alright thanks.
09:56	YamahaBrez	once i build one though, do i have to write something to change the channels? or is there a script/plugin already?
09:57	rkulagow	yamahabrez: please read the howto. it details what must be done, and it's too much to go over in IRC. again, it's been heavily discussed in the archives of the mailing lists.
09:57	YamahaBrez	alright i saw it in the howto, i just like to sometimes ask someone to make sure i understand it right.
09:57	YamahaBrez	thanks a lot.
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10:31	rkulagow	captina_murdoch: are you here?
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12:30	niqo	uh, have to upload 12MB to my ipaq on serial 115kbps :(
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12:52	niqo	ah, done
12:53	niqo	yeah, i've got opie :)
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14:04	Captain_Murdo	\| rkulagow: I'm around now for a short while.
14:05		* thor_ wonders why anyone records anything besides The Daily Show
14:06	o_cee	hi chris
14:06	o_cee	you been busy lately? haven't seen you in a while
14:07	o_cee	thor_: i saw the start of that thread.. wtf is up with people, who gives?
14:07	thor_	it's like a very human mediated reccomendation engine
14:07	o_cee	thor_: i compiled the thing with the program (heh) but it didn't work either.. showed up if i did local., but's that's all
14:07	Captain_Murdo	\| yeah, was working out of town this week, 12+ hour days so wasn't able to login.
14:08	o_cee	Captain_Murdoch: you're forgiven :) i think i left you a message a while ago about the logo stuff, you saw that?
14:08	thor_	the Apple mDNS proxy code ?
14:08	o_cee	thor_: yeah
14:08	o_cee	thor_: very odd..
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14:09	thor_	dunno ... that should definitely work ... maybe windows has a weird way of looking at DNS
14:09	o_cee	thor_: might be the firewall there that's blocking outgoing connections tho.. that's all i can think of.. not likely tho.
14:09	o_cee	thor_: i'll try setting like port 80 here for it to rule out that..
14:09	kvandivo	what?!?? Windows having a weird way of looking at something? Never!
14:09	o_cee	like 80->3689 and coneect to port 80
14:09	thor_	anyway, at some point it will be trivial to add a list of IP addresses to always try to connect to
14:10	Captain_Murdo	\| o_cee, trying to fix that comobox thing now. found it was broken by the rework that dja did for the recording group popup. don't remember your logo code, I think you said it worked for one channel but not for others.
14:10	Captain_Murdo	\| s/logo code/logo code comment/
14:11	o_cee	Captain_Murdoch: yeah, i've got like two channels it works really great on and two-three it doesn't work that good..
14:11	o_cee	Captain_Murdoch: those that doesn't work as they should are semi transparent
14:11	Captain_Murdo	\| which are those, 3,4,5,6?
14:11	o_cee	Captain_Murdoch: also, the comercial cutlist.. i see like different shades of red after loading it?
14:11	o_cee	3,4 and 5
14:11	o_cee	4 works sometimes
14:11	o_cee	6 works great
14:12	o_cee	if you want, i can send you full 30 mins clips from them.
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14:13	o_cee	thor_: yeah but will you make a windows client as well :) maybe there is something else than iTunes to use tho
14:13	Captain_Murdo	\| yeah that would be good., you could record them at low-res/bitrate to save bandwidth if you wanted also. I'm wondering if it's not detecting them or if it's borderline and the "inteligent" code I have to try to figure when it actually turns on/off is messing up.
14:14	thor_	I'm trying to make sure the mfdclient library is straightforward enough to compile under Windows, as I have some vague ideas about Windows/Mac clients
14:15	o_cee	Captain_Murdoch: i'll record stuff for you tonight :)
14:15	o_cee	thor_: you da man
14:15	o_cee	:)
14:15	thor_	heh, don't hold your breath
14:16	o_cee	nah. i'll try that port stuff, if that doesn't work it's really really odd
14:16	o_cee	Captain_Murdoch: simpsons ok?
14:17	thor_	iTunes at the university should show the service name as soon as you do the mDNSPoxy command, whether anything is running elsewhere or not
14:17	thor_	(it doesn't go and query the service till you click on the name)
14:18	Captain_Murdo	\| o_cee, yeah, shouldn't matter what show is.
14:18	o_cee	yeah, that's the strange thing.. it doesn't show up unless i did "local." as the ip
14:18	o_cee	trying to find 30mins shows
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14:46		* Captain_Murd is back again after having his machine lockup twice when trying to test something. :( somewhere, out there, is a piece of bad hardware or driver....
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14:53	kvandivo	over the rainbow, perhps?
15:02	Captain_Murdo	\| :) yeah
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15:25	Captain_Murdo	\| pressing ENTER on combobox bug on advanced recording screen should be fixed now in case anyone's interested.
15:25	Chutt	what bug was that?
15:25	Chutt	i had the advanced recording screen die on me relatively recently
15:26	Chutt	didn't have a chance to look into it :(
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15:27	Captain_Murdo	\| when I committed dja's patch to change the way the recording group chooser popup worked, it broke the ability to use ENTER on the type combobox on the advanced recording options screen because of a change he made to the keypressevent.
15:28	Captain_Murdo	\| just realized it was that earlier. I couldn't see how anything I had coded could have broken it because I backed out the code I changed and it still was broke.
15:29	Captain_Murdo	\| have you noticed if the people complaining of the backend segfaults are all using mpeg2 hardware encoding?
15:29	Chutt	haven't really been paying attention
15:30	Chutt	last week of real work, kinda busy
15:30	Captain_Murdo	\| just want to make sure it's not anything I changed recently with the commflag stuff, since I reworked a few things.
15:30	Captain_Murdo	\| yeah, ditto. been out of town this week again.
15:33	Chutt	oh well, only a few more hours until i'm unemployed
15:33	knight-	how come?
15:34	Chutt	then i'll have lots of free time for a bit =)
15:34	Chutt	getting laid off
15:35	thor_	free software, free Chutt
15:35	Chutt	no money to pay for me
15:35	thor_	ah, sweet liberty
15:35	Chutt	i suppose i'll have to start looking now
15:35	Chutt	and finish my resume and stuff
15:36	kvandivo	that doesn't sound like any fun
15:36	thor_	finish the basement, sleep late, relax
15:36	Chutt	sleep late?
15:36	Chutt	later than i do now? =)
15:36	thor_	oh yeah
15:36	thor_	nm
15:37	thor_	one of those three things I mentioned is going to IB's next week, will let you know if there are any nibbles
15:37	Chutt	cool.
15:40	thor_	also, non-free Windows/Mac clients plus services around helping to integrate myth/myth protocols into other offerings strikes me as a doable business
15:40	niqo	o_cee: i've given up on the pressed state, can't find out where it's drawn..
15:40	thor_	although this is probably not the right forum to hold forth on that opinion
15:41	Chutt	heh
15:42	Chutt	i need to email pahli_bar
15:42	Chutt	since he's not been around lately
15:45	thor_	menu stuff?
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15:52	Chutt	yeah
15:53	Chutt	scrollable uitype
15:53	dja	Captain_Murdoch: sorry :-(
15:53	thor_	hmm ... yeah .. haven't seen him in a while
15:54	Captain_Murdo	\| dja. no problem, just happy it wasn't my bug. ;)
15:55	thor_	Chutt, hope you're going out this evening to celebrate your freedom and ponder your options :-)
15:55	Chutt	heh
15:55	kvandivo	ya.. spends lots of cash on a nice meal
15:57	thor_	nothing like a wee bit of inebriation on top of a good meal to get a good perspective on things
15:58	kvandivo	you gotta love a man that doesn't spare the keyboard keys when committing to cvs
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16:01	thor_	holy crap
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17:11	o_cee	heheheh
17:12	o_cee	impressive commit
17:12	o_cee	niqo: maybe Chutt could shed some light?
17:12	dja_	yeah, I'm not sure I have the nerve to try it. :-)
17:12	o_cee	me ntier
17:12	o_cee	neither
17:12	dja_	my wife would kill me if I broke the myth box (worse than I already have :-)
17:13	o_cee	Chutt: wheren't you going to do another two months work there?
17:13	o_cee	breakage of mythweb.. i'll hold updating then
17:17	kvandivo	now thor, that commit barely managed 2 lines
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17:17	thor_	sorry
17:18	billytwowilly	\| thor_, I just started reading some of the commit messages. it looks like you've been busy with mfd:) good work dude.
17:18	thor_	busy busy busy
17:19	billytwowilly	\| Good stuff.
17:19	billytwowilly	\| I'm doing a demo of mythtv to a friend of mine in comp sci who has a side business of building xp/sagetv based HTPC's I think he's going to be blown away;)
17:20	thor_	heh
17:20	mikegrb	duct tape his feet down first
17:20	billytwowilly	\| heh.
17:21	thor_	staple gun ?
17:21	o_cee	i finished the case for my mythbox today.. i'll try to get some pics this weekend
17:21	o_cee	turned out pretty much the way i wanted.. might need another layer of paint
17:22	o_cee	i mean, someone has to have the slickest myth box right?
17:22	billytwowilly	\| hey, I think sagetv is making false claims on their website..
17:22	mikegrb	yes and it is me, o_cee
17:23	o_cee	mikegrb: got any pics?
17:23	mikegrb	no :/
17:23	mikegrb	it's an xbox, dark shiney blue
17:23	o_cee	in that case
17:23	o_cee	i own you
17:24	mikegrb	heh
17:24	o_cee	:)
17:24	mikegrb	not until you take pictures :p
17:24	o_cee	nah, i know
17:26	billytwowilly	\| anybody heard of provideo before? they appear to have an mpeg2 decode/encode card out.
17:26	jams	o_cee, custom built or custom paint ?
17:26	o_cee	jams: custom built
17:26	jams	cool can't wait to cee it :)
17:26		* mikegrb neither
17:27	o_cee	jams: i'll get pics tomorrow hopefully
17:27		* mikegrb doesn't believe it exists until he sees it :p
17:27	o_cee	hehehe
17:27	o_cee	my sweet little dragon
17:27	mikegrb	(me just wants to see it so much get o_cee worked up enough to take pictures)
17:27	jams	billytwowilly, yes they are well known for their chips
17:27	o_cee	haven't got any camera, so
17:28	mikegrb	oh my, see what you guys mean about a long commit message
17:28	o_cee	hehee
17:29	billytwowilly	\| jams, is there card working with linux? I haven't been able to find it for sale on google except out of some outfit in africa..
17:29	jams	billytwowilly, no idea
17:30	billytwowilly	\| well even out of south africa the card is 300 bucks CAD, so I'm not that interested anyway;)
17:30	billytwowilly	\| thanks for the info though.
17:30	jams	it's taking me longer to read it then to compile it
17:33	jams	oops if i use pentium4 as a compile flag but in fact have a celeron will it matter?
17:33	jams	i forgot i just swapped cpu's this morning
17:34	billytwowilly	\| aren't the new celerons just crippled p4's anyway?
17:34	o_cee	yeah
17:36	jams	my little 1.6p4 was just slow enough to bug me. the 2.6celeron is much better and it only cost $80 off the shelf
17:36	o_cee	damn i'm tired and it's only 11:30
17:37		* billytwowill enjoys his AMD cpus
17:37	o_cee	shrug
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17:41	niqo	o_cee: about that pressed state, did some debuggin earlier, and the normal button does not get drawn, so it must be some sort of illusion...
17:41	o_cee	it's very visible here
17:41	niqo	have been busy installing linux on my ipaq :)
17:41	o_cee	uuuhm, right :)
17:41	niqo	but it does not get drawn...
17:42	o_cee	is it the pressed button that gets drawn first then gets filled with the right color?
17:42	niqo	it draws the pressed image right after select..
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17:42	niqo	hu? your talking about text, or?
17:42	o_cee	yeah
17:43	o_cee	gant menu items are all text
17:43	kvandivo	let's talk about text, babeee
17:43	o_cee	kvandivo: got milkshake?
17:43	niqo	hmm, i'm using blue here!
17:43	o_cee	niqo: try gant and you'll see it alot easier i guess
17:45		* niqo is testing gant
17:45	o_cee	great :)
17:45	o_cee	you'll never go back, muhahaha
17:45	billytwowilly	\| is that your theme o_cee?
17:45	o_cee	billytwowilly: indeed
17:46	billytwowilly	\| nice theme.
17:46	o_cee	thanks
17:48	niqo	yup, definatly some flickering there...
17:48	o_cee	yeah.. :/
17:53	o_cee	thor_: had any ideas for ufpi yet?
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17:57	thor_	heh, no .... creative interfaces are not really my forte
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17:59	thor_	as you can tell from the existing beauty that is UFPI
17:59	o_cee	yeah
17:59	o_cee	but you sure have some ideas?
17:59	o_cee	hard to do something with it before using it properly as well
17:59	thor_	yeah
17:59	thor_	well, there's no hurry
18:00	o_cee	don't really know what you'll want to do with it
18:00	o_cee	it works as it is now at least :)
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18:00	thor_	heh, yup
18:00	thor_	such as it is
18:00	o_cee	you could add \r\n so the html source would be a tiny bit more readable tho
18:00	o_cee	heh
18:01	thor_	heh
18:01	thor_	yeah
18:01	thor_	well, easier to look at the code
18:01	thor_	"code"
18:01	o_cee	ah and yeah, you don't have closing tags for html or body
18:01	thor_	should be just a standin for controlling audio playing if you're using something that doesn't have a real myth client on it
18:02	thor_	like, until someone writes clients, Windows box, mac box, linux box without myth installed, iPaq, Zaurus, etc.
18:02	o_cee	yeah but it'll play it on the mythbox still
18:03	thor_	right
18:03	o_cee	so like a remote remote control :)
18:03	thor_	yup
18:03	thor_	till there's a native Zaurus mfd client, for example, it would be very useful in that context
18:04	o_cee	defenately want search.. and the ability to create playlists
18:04	o_cee	zaurus?
18:04	thor_	linux pda
18:04	thor_	ability to create playlists would be a bit hard ... not impossible, but a bit of work
18:05	thor_	cover art with a left and right arrow would make me happy
18:05	thor_	:-)
18:05	o_cee	yepp
18:05	o_cee	browse albums by cover art :)
18:06	thor_	gotta run for a bit
18:06	o_cee	create playlists would be a thing thats easier done with a computer
18:06	o_cee	later
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19:49	linagee	does anyone know what happened to fox and upn on wednesday? they deviated from their normally scheduled programs!
19:57	bitbyte	what remotes do you guys recommend?
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20:27	mikegrb	linagee: they forgot what they were supposed to show
20:28	linagee	mikegrb: :(
20:28	mikegrb	yup
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20:29	mikegrb	I dunno
20:29	mikegrb	noticed the same thing though
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20:29	mikegrb	though fox was all I noticed, didn't notice upn
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20:37	enki	is the gentoo package maintainer for mythtv et al around by any chance?
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