TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#mythtv:2004:02:23

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11:07	gulliver	hi all
11:08	gulliver	I'm still playing around with the mythmusic-module, and recognized a strange behaviour of the playlist thing...
11:09	gulliver	in all_playlists I get the entire music_colllection and all the playlists, as far as I can see, playlists should have IDs < 0, tracks > 0 and all the rest =0, right?
11:09	gulliver	but the entry "All Playlists" has ID 1?!
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11:28	thor_	playlists store references to other playlists as negative numbers, but they go on the tree with consecutively numbered id's
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11:33	DogBoy	would it be difficult to copy the mythvideo module into another module?
11:33	DogBoy	so there would be two independant instances of the module
11:34	thor_	not difficult, nor particularily sensible (?)
11:35	DogBoy	give me a hint eh, what would I have to do to acomplish that
11:36	thor_	explain why you would want to have two copies of a module on the same machine ?
11:36	DogBoy	I was thinking it would be an easy way to get an "e-book" module
11:37	DogBoy	all the frontend stuff is there, it would just entail setting a different player
11:37	kvandivo	so you don't want to copy mythvideo into another module.. you want to use its code as a base for your own idea?
11:38	DogBoy	yeah
11:38	thor_	add ebook stuff to your mythvideo tree, go to eBook titles in the Video Manager, hit a number between 0-9 and enter "Custom player for this file"
11:39	thor_	better yet, set up the extensions for eBook files and set a player there
11:39	thor_	Settings --> Video
11:39	DogBoy	so then ebooks would appear along with videos in that module?
11:40	thor_	yes, but you could split the top level of your Video directory to "Video" and "eBook", and work down from there
11:40	thor_	or you could write an eBook module using the mythvideo code as a starting point
11:42	DogBoy	hmm
11:42	DogBoy	thanks
11:42	thor_	yup
11:43	gulliver	thor_: ok, I see. but there's another problem. the "all playlists"-node has argument 0 set to 1, which marks it as a song, afais
11:45	thor_	GenericTree *subsub_node = sub_node->addNode(QObject::tr("Active Play Queue"), 0);
11:46	thor_	that ?
11:46	thor_	GenericTree *sub_node = tree_to_write_to->addNode(QObject::tr("All My Playlists"), 1);
11:46	thor_	or that ?
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12:13	gulliver	neither nor
12:14	gulliver	this only sets the node_int (like it's commonly called in mythmusic), but not the attribute...
12:14	gulliver	sry, wrote argument earlier, meant attribute!
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12:27	thor_	yeah, doesn't look quite right ... it works though ... so I'm not if it's an error or something clever
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12:38	thor_	doesn't really matter, as the tree list will return the first selectable node
12:38	thor_	but should probably be set to 0
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13:00	Chutt	hrm
13:00	thor_	harumph ?
13:00	Chutt	zap2it says 'share your access codes'
13:00	thor_	invite others, yup
13:00	Chutt	so, shall i send it to the lists?
13:00	thor_	heh
13:00	Chutt	they say to post it on websites or mailing lists
13:00	thor_	is it up and running ?
13:00	Chutt	apparently
13:01	thor_	not much point before there's mythfilldatabase support, is there ?
13:01	thor_	or are you hoping someone will go write that :-)
13:01	Chutt	that's exactly what i'm hoping
13:02	thor_	post away
13:02	thor_	!
13:02	o_cee\bd	what will be new/improved with it?
13:03	thor_	richer data, much faster
13:03	o_cee\bd	neat
13:03	thor_	(but only NA I believe)
13:03	o_cee\bd	i want that too
13:03	o_cee\bd	:/
13:03		* o_cee\bd away burrito
13:03		* thor_ always pictures o_cee eating pickled herring
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13:22	o_cee\bd	pickled herring? hmm :)
13:24	o_cee\bd	Chutt: you know the thing i wanted, with <pressed> added to theme.xml? kenneth wrote that up, i have his patch here.. haven't had time to try it out yet tho, need to add stuff the the xml's as well.. what color do you want me to add to 'blue'? haven't used it in a while, can't remember what it looks like
13:26	Chutt	should be optional so themes don't have to have it, right?
13:26	o_cee\bd	probably true..
13:26	o_cee\bd	don't think it is that now. niqo?
13:27	o_cee\bd	but as it is now, it deselects the item anyway, so?
13:27	Chutt	something like that
13:27	Chutt	but that didn't require theme changes
13:27	o_cee\bd	i mean, that's a change to the look anyway.. if you want that you could just add <pressed> with the same color as <normal>
13:27	o_cee\bd	true
13:27	o_cee\bd	see your point now
13:29	niqo	it's required now..
13:29	o_cee\bd	yeah.. would break all old themes :/
13:29	niqo	so sad :) easy to make it fall back i belive
13:30	o_cee\bd	uhm.. guess you could look at like <shadow>, it's not required..
13:31	niqo	don't have time right now, working on something else
13:31	o_cee\bd	no problemo
13:37	o_cee\bd	Chutt: you been busy lately?
13:37	Chutt	yes
13:38	o_cee\bd	last work?
13:39	o_cee\bd	found any new yet?
13:39	Chutt	haven't looked yet
13:39	thor_	heh
13:39	o_cee\bd	a little vacation is nice :)
13:39	o_cee\bd	<-- bd today.. bd as in birthday.. woohh :)
13:40	thor_	ah, so that was a birthday burrito
13:40	Chutt	current employer wants to keep me on consulting for a month or two
13:40	o_cee\bd	indeed
13:40	Chutt	congrats
13:40	o_cee\bd	Chutt: they really need to make up their maind ;)
13:40	o_cee\bd	thanks
13:40	o_cee\bd	mind even
13:40	Chutt	it's not a question of making up their mind, it's a question of money :p
13:41	o_cee\bd	hehehe
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13:41	o_cee	consulting sure gives you more money as well ;)
13:43	o_cee	thor_: any mfd news? you thought anything more about those web-interface screenshots?
13:45	o_cee	[mythtv] [Patch] Allow sleect to change the channel in the program guide <-- great, now i don't need to manually patch that :)
13:45	o_cee	(damn yeah i'm happy, my avltree is finally working)
13:46	thor_	o_cee, trying to get the client side library working
13:47	o_cee	thor_: cool
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13:49	o_cee	thor_: i went to a store today to get a digital coax -> digital opto converter to connect the mythbox to my receiver.. but it was out of stock.. need to try that 'pipe-mp3-out-spdif" thingie when i have it :)
13:50	thor_	hmmm, receiver doesn't accept coax ?
13:51	o_cee	i've heard that the computer doesn't have a really stable signal, so it might fuck the receiver up real bad
13:51	o_cee	totally safe with opto
13:51	o_cee	something about some soundcards giving out to much current
13:51	thor_	sounds like audiophile sillyness to me
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14:08	davatar	o_cee ground loop current.
14:08	davatar	it shouldn't be a problem if they are on the same circuit.
14:09	o_cee	davatar: _shouldn't_, no, but i dont want that risk anyway :)
14:10	davatar	I'm wondering if there's a ground loop isolator that will work with coax spdif...
14:11	thor_	Anders Hanson is starting to get a bit annoying
14:13	Chutt	yay, new harddrive shipped
14:14	mikegrb	my wife is pregnant!!!! \o/
14:14	o_cee	davatar: thought the -> opto was a nice solution
14:14	o_cee	mikegrb: congrats :)
14:14	thor_	heh, join the club
14:14	o_cee	Chutt: weh, what size?
14:14	Chutt	mikegrb, grats =)
14:14	o_cee	i'll be uncle again in 6 months :)
14:15	mikegrb	thanks
14:15	mikegrb	thanks
14:15	Chutt	o_cee, 200GB, seagate
14:15	-!-	Irssi: #mythtv: Total of 63 nicks 0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 63 normal
14:15	mikegrb	Chutt: nice
14:15	Chutt	was $130 from mwave
14:15	mikegrb	good thing I finally talked her into a pvr-250 last week
14:15	Chutt	couldn't pass that up =)
14:15	mikegrb	I won't be getting any toys for me for a while
14:15	Chutt	heh
14:15	Chutt	no, you won't
14:15	mikegrb	oh I did get an intel 510t 24 port managed 10/100 switch last week too!!!
14:16	mikegrb	that was an awesome steal
14:16	o_cee	Chutt: niice
14:16	thor_	you should start endorsing paychecks straight over to IKEA and Babies 'R Us
14:16	mikegrb	good thing I wont be home or I'd kiss the fedex guy
14:16	mikegrb	thor_: indeed :/
14:17	kvandivo	i'd fill out a survey every 3 months..
14:17	kvandivo	it was annoying having to do that for redhat.. but I'd do it for good listings..
14:17	thor_	but would you rewrite parts of mythfilldatabase ?
14:18	kvandivo	i'll take chutt's stance on that..
14:18	thor_	tragedy of the commons
14:18	kvandivo	yep.. i'm just thinking that my recommendations code would benefit from actor information, in a big way
14:18	Chutt	yup
14:19		* mikegrb rewrites thor_
14:19	thor_	the whole duplicate episodes, season pass type functionality becomes trivial
14:19	mikegrb	thor_: I think I found a bug in mythdvd this weekend
14:19	thor_	heh
14:19	mikegrb	was in a rush to get it working last night so I'll look more into it this week
14:19	mikegrb	was pretty small though
14:19	thor_	what did it do?
14:19	o_cee	thor_: don't forget that not everyone gets as nice listnings :/
14:20	davatar	o_cee: except optical cable is expensive _and_ really fragile. plus the audiophiles seem to think coax is better.
14:20	mikegrb	didn't want to compile right when ripping wasn't enabled in the ./configure
14:20	o_cee	davatar: you don't get _that_ good audio from analog cable anyway.
14:20	mikegrb	failed on ripping related code
14:20	mikegrb	so something isn't properly ifdef'ed out most likely
14:20	mikegrb	rerunning configure with it enabled and it compiled fine
14:20	thor_	you mean vcd but no transcode ?
14:21	thor_	or just blank ./configure ?
14:21	mikegrb	no to both
14:21	thor_	hmm
14:21	mikegrb	blank configure
14:21	mikegrb	was a clean checkout too
14:22	thor_	but ./configure --enable-transcode worked fine ?
14:22	Chutt	kvandivo, it's a lot better than paying for em =)
14:22	mikegrb	right
14:22	mikegrb	like I said I'll try to track it down tonight or tommorow
14:22	mikegrb	as soon as I get some time with it
14:22	thor_	k
14:23	thor_	thanks
14:23	mikegrb	last night heidi wanted to watch a movie and was wanting me to bring the dvd player down from the bedroom
14:23	mikegrb	I wasn't having any of that with a perfectly good xbox right there
14:23	thor_	heh
14:23	mikegrb	I hadn't updated the various plugins in a while so I blew away the trees co'ed mythdvd and tried to build it before she got too mad :)
14:24	thor_	just wait till you can have the dvd in the machine upstairs and play it from the xbox
14:25	thor_	main.cpp:255: `startDVDRipper' undeclared (first use this function)
14:25	thor_	hmmm
14:26	mikegrb	that was it
14:26	mikegrb	If I had the funds for a massive multi terrabyte storage array all the dvds would be boxed in a closet and selected from mythvideo at any tv in the house
14:26	mikegrb	I have a feeling all the kid movies will end up in such a state
14:27	thor_	handleMedia patches
14:27	mikegrb	as much for our sanity and convienence as protecting the discs from little goblins
14:27	thor_	believe me, you will every Baby Einstein DVD ever sold available at a touch of the button on every screen in the house
14:27	thor_	you will have
14:28	mikegrb	indeed
14:28	Matt	it's a mike!
14:28	mikegrb	people have talked about it on the list to save the dvd's life
14:29	mikegrb	I want it so that I can quickly make a screaming satan spawn quiet
14:29	mikegrb	it's a matt!
14:35	lmatter	mikegrb, nothing like trying to quiet the screaming satan spawn and having to forward through 20 mins of previews, eh?
14:36	mikegrb	lmatter: that and fumbling for the disc and getting it in while juggling the demon child
14:36	mikegrb	like thor said they will be at the touch of a button on every tv :)
14:36	lmatter	that's my plan too.
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14:42	Chutt	rkulagow, i did a docs sync a little bit ago
14:42	rkulagow	yep, i was just checking the main page to see if you'd done it. thanks.
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15:37	rkulagow	i hope there's a delicious prize for user with the most people registering with their code on zap2it.
15:38	Chutt	heh
15:38	Chutt	yah, someone writing support code for mythtv
15:38	thor_	I got mythzap2it as a user name, of which I am bizarely quite proud
15:39	poptix	heh
15:39	kvandivo	i was extremely original in my username selection as well. i went with 'kvandivo'
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15:40	thor_	'course since you don't have to pay, I'm a 57 year old woman with no computer experience
15:41	o_cee	uhm, i assume there's only us channels right?
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15:45	thor_	always reminds me of the classic New Yorker cartoon: http://www.cartoonbank.com/product_details.asp?mscssid=BJ7LFMG91MBD9JBVPJA4BF1BKFD4DH75&sitetype=1&did=4&sid=22230&pid=&keyword=internet+dog§ion=prints&title=undefined&whichpage=1&sortBy=popular
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16:27	thor_	much better to argue about IP than write code
16:28	Chutt	especially when you consider that guy's sig
16:28	thor_	see my email
16:28	thor_	(pending)
16:30	Chutt	how can i see it if it's pending? :p
16:31	thor_	I'll send another one when it's there ... uhm, hey, wait a minute .... damn TCP/UDP-style crap
16:31	Chutt	there it is
16:31	thor_	nm
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16:39	kvandivo	i supposed, based on his .sig, that it is probably illegal to have list archives anywhere
16:44	dja_	Chutt: you hoping someone will write a c++ grabber for the new zap2it data, or would a perl script be ok?
16:45	Chutt	there's already a perl script to grab the data on their site
16:45	Chutt	myth needs to understand their xml format
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16:45	thor_	funny that someone can just write a few words about rights, and everyone assume they apply to anything
16:45	dja_	I was thinking about writing a perl script to parse the xml into the mysql database.
16:45	Chutt	oh, that'd be fine
16:45	Chutt	though it'd be easier to use mythfilldatabase, no?
16:45	thor_	if you read any of these words, I own all your house plants
16:46	Chutt	since there's a bunch of external logic that'd need to be updated
16:46		* thor_ will shut up now
16:46	vuud	Hey is there any initiative to move some of the program logic out of the main code into something reuseable? For instance the scheduled recording logic?
16:46	knight-	oh man, i finally feel a little better
16:46	dja_	yes, that would be the easiest, I hadn't looked at it yet (although if it's in c++, my c++ skills aren't very good :-)
16:46	knight-	been in bed sick for 6 days
16:46	Chutt	dja, it's pretty simple stuff
16:46	dja_	thor_: you can have my houseplants, they're all dead.
16:46	Chutt	vuud, no.
16:46	Chutt	dja, the xml parsing code in qt is really easy to use
16:47	dja_	cool
16:47	vuud	phoey
16:47	thor_	dja_, excellent, now I can sue you for killing _my_ houseplants
16:47		* dja_ lol
16:47		* dja_ or should I say coughing out loud...:-)
16:48	vuud	Chutt, I'm doing a utility to report stuff to me, and I wanted to include that sort of thing. I can duplicate it, but then its got to be maintained in two places :(
16:48	Chutt	report what to you?
16:49	vuud	So far it does whats been recorded, and I am wrapping up a general sql executer in it, and after that I am adding whats been recoreded in the past x hours... I don't look at the mythbox much, but I have a lot of "Record anytime anywhere" settings
16:49	Chutt	use mythweb.
16:50	vuud	Chutt, rather have it show up in my mailbox or whatnot. For instance if Hogan's heros comes on somewhere for some strange reason, I'd rather have a push notification, rather than pull (like web).
16:54	Chutt	so, write something that queries the backend for what you want.
16:57	vuud	Chutt, yeah - but the logic is run on demand for the schedule from what I can tell... So I would have to duplicate the logic, hence my original question about if there was any movement to seperate some of the "business" logic out of the system.
16:57	vuud	reuse and all
16:59	Chutt	what logic?
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17:02	vuud	The part that handles determining what to record when, resolving priorities, whats a duplicate, etc...
17:02	Chutt	why exactly can't you query the backend for that?
17:02	Chutt	since all that information is available
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17:06	vuud	I query the backend for the raw info... but then I have to duplicate all the logic to build the actually recording schedule. This results in the logic existing in the main myth program and in the utility. Now it is in two places and I have to keep up with the changes in the main program. I can do that, its just if I don't have to it would be better not to.
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17:06	Chutt	vuud, err, no you don't
17:06	Chutt	what you get from the backend is the exact recording schedule.
17:06	Chutt	if you're not parsing that information properly, that's _your_ problem
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17:10	vuud	Really... Lemme check the table maybe _I_ am looking in the wrong place then...
17:14	vuud	Its the "record" table right?
17:14	Chutt	uh, no
17:15	Chutt	you don't get that back when you query the backend for that information.
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17:16	vuud	So where is it then? Nothing else looks like it has that info
17:17	sfr	mythbackend --printsched? just a _very_ wild guess ;)
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17:17	vuud	sfr, yeah I know that... I am using it via a cronjob now, but want to make it inclusive in what I am developing
17:18	Chutt	where is what?
17:18	Chutt	you don't want the data in the record table
17:19	Chutt	as it bears absolutely no relation to what is going to be recorded.
17:19	Chutt	that's why your query the backend to ask it for its recording schedule.
17:19	kvandivo	vuud, i'd suggest you look at the frontend code for printing the 'fix conflicts' screen and see how it gets the list of upcoming recordings
17:19	vuud	Exactly.
17:19	Chutt	how the fuck do you think mythfrontend displays the various scheduling screens?
17:20	Chutt	or how mythweb does?
17:20	Chutt	all they're doing is displaying exactly what the backend gives them
17:20	Chutt	there's no additional logic
17:20	kvandivo	or 6544.. that would be a real easy thing for you to look at
17:21	o_cee	speaking of that one..
17:21	o_cee	kvandivo: you or rkulagow who wrote that one? can't remember
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17:21	kvandivo	me
17:22	o_cee	goodie
17:22	kvandivo	well, i added the call. :)
17:22	o_cee	yeah, i know
17:22	o_cee	what do you think about making the part below the desc a little different
17:22	o_cee	like
17:22	o_cee	Start in: blah
17:22	o_cee	Recgroup: blah
17:22	o_cee	and whatever
17:22	o_cee	would be easier to add new things there
17:22	kvandivo	you have a 6544 i can peruse real quick?
17:23	o_cee	i think so
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17:23	o_cee	ah there you see my change as well
17:23	o_cee	added recgroup
17:24	Chutt	thor, nice response
17:24	thor_	aside from the typo
17:24	thor_	bah, doing too many things at once
17:24	kvandivo	having name:value pairs instead of the sentence structure seems reasonable to me, o_cee
17:24	Chutt	thor, i almost sent: This is a public mailing list, with public archives. If you don't like that, get off my list.
17:24	thor_	tr("Fuck Off")
17:25	Chutt	heh
17:25	thor_	... one of those days ...
17:25	o_cee	kvandivo: easier to expand, and we could add some more info as well..
17:25	kvandivo	yep
17:26	o_cee	just wanted to make sure before starting anything ;)
17:26	vuud	kvandivo, thanks for the idea - I'll take a look through there... Honestly I was pursing it from the --printsched pov... I didn't think of the frontend talking to the backend...
17:27	kvandivo	o_cee: well, it's not like i have the ear of God or anything, but it seems quite logical to me
17:27	o_cee	kvandivo: :)
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17:32	o_cee	Chutt: the different encoding tags for xmltv.. where do i find them? think i need to specify utf-8 here
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17:32	kvandivo	google?
17:33	o_cee	can't find anything in xmltv-dtd
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17:33	o_cee	about charsets at all
17:33	Chutt	it's xml tags
17:33	Chutt	not specific to xmltv
17:33	Chutt	mdz, hey
17:33	o_cee	oh.
17:33	o_cee	duuh
17:37	o_cee	can't mythfilldatabase import xml's thats utf-8?
17:41	Chutt	yup, it can
17:41	Chutt	if they're marked that they are utf-8
17:41	o_cee	<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?> <-- should be correct?
17:41	mdz	Chutt: hey?
17:43	o_cee	getting: "Error in 131:14: tag mismatch" with that..
17:46	o_cee	tried UTF-8 UTF8 utf-8.. i bet utf8 will work ;)
17:46	Chutt	just saying hi :p
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17:48	vuud	kvandivo, the remoteutils class is pretty much what I was looking for... thanks again
17:49	kvandivo	don't thank me. grep and time are your friends
17:50	mdz	Chutt: apparently my connection was reset
17:50	Chutt	you read mythtv-dev today?
17:51	Chutt	i want someone to write that grabber :p
17:51	Slaytanic	Chutt: Have you checked the XMLTV-devel list?
17:51	Chutt	sure
17:51	mdz	Chutt: as do I
17:51	Chutt	if i can bypass xmltv, though
17:51	Chutt	that'd be great
17:52	Chutt	as there's really no need for xmltv with it
17:52	mdz	is there a decent C++ SOAP client library?
17:52	Chutt	there's a couple
17:52	mdz	might be better to do it as an external program anyway
17:52	Chutt	nothing i've used, just when i researched things last year when they first came out with stuff
17:52	Chutt	little external perl program to grab the data
17:52	Chutt	would be fine by me, though
17:53	thor_	http://www.gnu.org/projects/dotgnu/
17:53	thor_	(don't know anything about it other than it exists)
17:53	o_cee	Chutt: got any idea why mythfill rejects that header?
17:53	Chutt	o_cee, nope
17:56	o_cee	i'm so jelous about the zap2it stuff :/
17:56	kvandivo	you just need to move across the pond
17:57	o_cee	guess so
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18:01	o_cee	hmm.. it uses qt:s stuff for the xml parsing, right?
18:01	Chutt	yup
18:01	o_cee	i just upgrded to 3.3
18:01	o_cee	might be it
18:02	mdz	Chutt: maybe split out the other stuff that mythfilldatabase does, from the actual import of the program info, so that part could be externalized easily
18:02	mdz	like pruning the old program info and what not
18:02	mdz	no point in reimplementing that
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18:04	Chutt	mdz, split it into a different file, or different program?
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18:18	mdz	Chutt: probably a different bit of mythfilldatabase, controlled by a command line option or something
18:19	mdz	then the parsing and import could be done by the external program
18:21	o_cee	doesn't commflag start if i end a recording?
18:24	Chutt	hum
18:24	Chutt	yeah, that could work
18:26	o_cee	i'm trying to figure out this commflag stuff now that i can use it with logo detection.. and i don't think it did that..
18:27	Chutt	o_cee, it doesn't start commflag, the program
18:27	Chutt	it does it internally
18:27	o_cee	would also be nice with an alternative like: "Start comflag" on the menu on playbackbox..
18:27	o_cee	hmm, okay.. didn't see any processing icon
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18:30	dja_	mdz: have you looked at the zap2it labs schema?
18:31	Chutt	dja, so, he's agreeing with your method
18:31	dja_	I sorta caught that...I'm trying to figure out the division of labor...
18:32	dja_	meaning what program would do what.
18:33	Chutt	if one thing downloaded and inserted the data into the database
18:33	dja_	ok
18:33	Chutt	then mythfilldb could just call that instead of its internal 'call xmltv and parse the data' routine
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18:34	Chutt	mythfilldb would still handle figuring out which days needed grabbed
18:34	Chutt	and when to delete old data
18:34	dja_	and I was just figuring out qt's xml parsing code :)
18:34	Chutt	or, you could do that
18:34	Chutt	i don't really mind
18:34	Chutt	as long as the perl stuff doesn't pull in extra deps
18:34	Chutt	the qt-based code is nice because it's self contained
18:35	dja_	yeah, the bad thing about zap2it's perl grabber is that it requirest SOAP::Lite -- which isn't in cpan. :-(
18:35	dja_	requires
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18:38	Chutt	stupid X
18:38	Chutt	keeps getting into a 'i'm going to use 99% cpu and hang' state
18:39	o_cee	heh :/
18:40	o_cee	you been following the ivtv development lately Chutt?
18:40	Chutt	not really
18:40	o_cee	some very intresting progress going on
18:40	o_cee	seems like the tvout will finally be really good
18:41	o_cee	hmm, that didn't sound right but you get my point :)
18:41	o_cee	seems like there will be a X fb driver or something.. can't really follow it all, but it seems promising ;)
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18:59	mdz	Chutt: have you thought about whether it's possible to unify the schema for both types of program info, or do we need two?
19:00	dja_	mdz: wouldn't we lose some of the data from the zap2it labs if we did that?
19:00	Chutt	sure, it'd be possible to
19:01	Chutt	be translating the xmltv stuff into something more like the datadirect stuff internally
19:01	mdz	I haven't even really looked at the zap2it data
19:02	mdz	I looked at the example in the PDF, but didn't really get the big picture
19:03	dja_	it's pretty nice, you get more info from zap2it, including actors, guest stars, producers, etc...
19:08	o_cee	sounds very nice indeed
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19:12	dja_	I'd almost want to redesign the mysql program table into multiple tables (matching the zap2it schema). :-)
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19:13	o_cee	don't forget about the rest of us :/
19:13	dja_	yeah, yeah, I heard rumors that others exist...:)
19:14	o_cee	:\
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19:19	mdz	dja_: shouldn't it be possible to add the new tables and still make use of the existing program table?
19:21	dja_	Why would you add tables and keep the existing one? I'd think you would either want to have several tables, or modify the existing program table to have the extra info.
19:21	Chutt	biggest change is just the program->showtime relationship
19:21	mdz	right, but you could still fill the program table
19:22	Chutt	since it's no longer 1 to 1
19:22	mdz	I don't see why you would want to get rid of it, and have two versions of all that code
19:22	Chutt	modify it, perhaps
19:22	Chutt	translate the xmltv stuff into it
19:23	mdz	I guess translating xmltv to the new stuff is better than the other way around
19:23	dja_	I think it would be cleaner (design wise) to translate the xmltv stuff into zap2it's schema.
19:24	mdz	you could probably do most of it in SQL
19:24	Chutt	well
19:24	Chutt	supposedly
19:24	Chutt	the xmltv 0.6 schema is better
19:24	Chutt	so stuff would have to be rewritten for that at some point in time, anyway
19:24	Chutt	once the grabbers switched over, at least
19:25	mdz	even more reason
19:25	dja_	any idea on when the grabbers are due to be switched over?
19:25	Chutt	no time soon, as far as i know
19:25	dja_	:-(
19:27	dja_	I wonder if someone is working a grabber for the new zap2it site that writes xmltv 0.6 :-)
19:27	Chutt	check the xmltv lists
19:28	dja_	that'd make life much simpler.
19:28	Chutt	but, i don't see why we'd want to do that
19:28	Chutt	we'd have to support xmltv 0.5 and 0.6 then
19:28	Chutt	0.6 is as yet unfinished
19:28	Chutt	so...
19:34	Chutt	something that dumps the datadirect format into the existing db structure should be pretty easy to handle
19:34	KeyserSoze	dja: you around?
19:34	Chutt	'course, then i'd have to write code to display actor data and stuff
19:34	dja_	KeyserSoze: yup
19:34	KeyserSoze	i've almost got my mythtv box working, with the m179s i got from you
19:35	KeyserSoze	the screen goes black, though, when i try to watch live tv
19:35	KeyserSoze	can you think of anything special needed with the m179?
19:35	o_cee	Chutt: wouldn't that be good to put in a 'info' popup when watching a show? we have sometims very long descs that doesn't fit the epg or the osd..
19:35	Chutt	yup
19:35	dja_	KeyserSoze: switch to mythtv-users, I just joined in over there :-)
19:36	o_cee	same thing in the epg for instance.. and like everywhere.. would be great. could have a couple of 'pages'/'tabs' with info..
19:37	o_cee	playbackbox as well
19:38	Chutt	hmm
19:38	Chutt	i think it's time to exercise my rights as mailing list owner and kick someone off
19:38	Chutt	i'm bored
19:38	dja_	:)
19:39	Chutt	and arthur britto is on crack
19:39	o_cee	dumbass, heh
19:39	o_cee	yeah :)
19:39	o_cee	just read his mail
19:39	o_cee	Chutt: while you're at it, would you disable mails for me on -users? :)
19:39	dja_	which one?
19:39	Chutt	his most recent one
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19:40	dja_	ahh
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19:46	o_cee	who wrote the autoshutdown stuff cmorgan?
19:47	Chutt	choenig
19:47	o_cee	right
19:47	o_cee	just had an idea for that part
19:47	heidig	hello
19:47	heidig	and thank you Chutt and thor_
19:48	o_cee	oh so how do you come to the conclusion who to thank? just curious..
19:48	heidig	oh thank you o_cee
19:48	heidig	mikegrb told me
19:48	heidig	he forgot to say you as well until you said that
19:48	heidig	heh
19:48	o_cee	Chutt: having an option like: "keep it running between" so that it's always on during the evening
19:48	o_cee	heidig: hehe;)
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19:57	dja_	o_cee: you're being awfully quiet on mythtv-users...:)
19:58	o_cee	dja: you think so yeah.. got, lemme see..8172 unread mails
19:58	dja_	sorry, I meant the channel #mythtv-users
19:59	o_cee	ah
19:59	o_cee	yeah
19:59	o_cee	haven't got time :)
19:59	o_cee	atm
19:59	o_cee	i do help when i have time
19:59	dja_	I know, just teasing...:)
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20:02	o_cee	:)
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20:09	Slaytanic	dja: o_cee is spending his time on messing with my swedish XMLTV scripts... ;)
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22:09	YamahaBrez	*** [libmythavcodec-0.15.so.0.15.0] Error 1
22:10	YamahaBrez	Can someone tell me what thats about? Or what I need to install?
22:12	thor_	http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall and/or http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/
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22:16	tmk	sup chutt.
22:17		* tmk looks at the topic.. "#mythtv-users" eh.. did chutt finally cave to the pressure?
22:20	thor_	not about, how's ivtv stuff coming ?
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22:25	tmk	ok.. chris has been working feverishly on making the osd more stable
22:26	tmk	i'm too busy to do much on the project these days
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22:38	NiteOwl	tmk: Are you Kevin, the ivtv driver maintainer?
22:38	tmk	yes
22:38	tmk	authore.. i don't maintain much these days
22:38	NiteOwl	Thank you for the fantastic work!
22:38	tmk	-e
22:38	tmk	:)
22:38	tmk	glad you like it
22:39	NiteOwl	I've been watching Chris' work with great interest - so far it does not seem to help any of my problems (which seem to be the ones he is working on ) BUT looks like I need Matthias' X driver patch also before I can hope to see improvement
22:40	NiteOwl	towards that end I'm "make World"ing write now - building X on my mythtv box - celeron 1.7ghz
22:40	tmk	cool
22:40	NiteOwl	err "right now"
22:40	tmk	best of luck.. the x driver is the best solution imho
22:40	tmk	i've not looked at the code however
22:40	NiteOwl	yes, wonder how long it will take...
22:40	tmk	you should just be able to compile the ddriver itself
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22:41	tmk	and load it as a module
22:41	tmk	not sure you need to do all of X
22:41	tmk	but it probably wouldn't hurt
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22:41	NiteOwl	Last week I bought the Linux Device driver book and have been reading alot - and looking at a few bits of the ivtv code - I'm hoping to be of some help but at this rate Chris should have it nailed and fixed in a few weeks
22:42	NiteOwl	I've never built X - suppose I should have just cded to programs/Xserver/fb and tried a build there
22:43	NiteOwl	cool - it's done :-)
22:44	NiteOwl	hmm..now neeed to think careful on how to install it beside the existing X server or how to run it out of the current directory
22:44	tmk	:)
22:47	NiteOwl	looks like there is only one .a file that the fb wants to install in the modules directory
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22:47	NiteOwl	I'll just save off the old one and let it install the new one
22:47	NiteOwl	sound good?
22:50	NiteOwl	ok, done....time to reboot and try the infamous epg test - see if it still hangs
22:51		* NiteOwl moving this monologoue to ivtv-dev
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