TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#mythtv:2004:02:18

---	Log	opened Wed Feb 18 00:00:52 2004
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01:04	Netslayer	Chutt, u around?
01:04	Netslayer	do u know if viewcvs requires a mysql sb?
01:05	Netslayer	DB
01:06	Chutt	don't see why it would.
01:06	Chutt	'course, don't see why you wouldn't just go to the appropriate webpage and look at the requirements, either.
01:07	Netslayer	their site has no docs on it at all
01:07	Chutt	ah, so of course you'd ask me.
01:07	Netslayer	:-)
01:07	Billytwowilly	\| hehehe
01:07		* Billytwowill bows to all knowledgeable chutt
01:08	Netslayer	i'm in the cvs channel but it's dead in there
01:08	Netslayer	i actually got CVS, and Pserver running, i'm quite pleased
01:08	Chutt	considering you don't have to actually do anything to do that
01:09	Netslayer	well not much ya, especialy with gentoo
01:09	Chutt	oh, wait, you have to add a line to your inetd.conf
01:09	Netslayer	but i got wincvs to connect to it so i'm happy
01:09	Chutt	that's tough, really.
01:09	Netslayer	ya compared with getting mythtv to work it's a breeze heh
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02:06	thor_	bah
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02:23	Billytwowilly	\| Is there anyway to tell mythvideo to not include certain sub directories in the "browse videos" selection? I have /myth/movies/ with a couple sub dirs and only one has actual movies in it. the others have tv shows that I don't want displayed in the browse movies selection because they make it clumsy and are much easier to get to through the video list view
02:25	niqo	nope, you could make a patch tho
02:25	niqo	morning, btw
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02:30	niqo	thor, the name of mfd's support lib is confusingly repeating: libmfdlib.so :)
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02:33	Billytwowilly	\| niqo, Sadly, no programming skills over here...
02:33	Billytwowilly	\| I was really hoping I just missed the setting;)
02:35	niqo	what about just linking the interresting dir/files out to a different place, and let it scan that?
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02:40	Billytwowilly	\| I want all the dirs/files to show up in the tree view browser, but only the movies to show up in the browse mode...
02:40	Billytwowilly	\| I don't think that'll work..
02:44	niqo	so how should the browse-mode tell the difference between what should be there, and not?
02:46	Billytwowilly	\| Well, ideally there would be a place to put in a browse mode directory or a place to exlcude directories from browse mode.
02:47	Billytwowilly	\| ie /myth is base dir and /myth/chris/movies is only dir that should be shown in browse mode, so either there is some place to put that, or some place to exclude all other dirs (in my case /myth/chris/funnymovies/ and /myth/chris/tvshows) from browse mode.
02:48	niqo	so a regexp match should be okay then?
02:48	Billytwowilly	\| even more ideally the manager mode would have an option to select whether to display all movies or just the ones on display in browse mode.
02:48	Billytwowilly	\| niqo, I really don't know. I have no programming experience...
02:48	Billytwowilly	\| I don't know how to do it..
02:49	Billytwowilly	\| niqo, Are you programming mythvideo?
02:49	niqo	not right now, no
02:50	Billytwowilly	\| well, that feature would make me really happy.. probably lots of others really happy as well... I don't really know. Is there a place to submit feature requests? just the mailing list?
02:54	niqo	i thought you just did, this is a dev channel you know...
02:54	Billytwowilly	\| yah, but it isn't really official.
02:54	Billytwowilly	\| noone really mulls it over and it isn't part of any official record.
02:55	Billytwowilly	\| basically I'm at your mercy to get it done because noone else is awake;)
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03:44	niqo	Billytwowilly: sorry, i was giving you the wrong info, it's possible, press a number key in the video manager....
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03:53	lmatter	ah, the downside of WAF. "It was working yesterday, why are you still messing with it?"
04:12	Chutt	lmatter, re the 'MythMusic is also there but it doesn't work yet.' note on your site -- just need to use a recent version of alsa for sound
04:33	lmatter	Chutt, thanks, I'll try that.
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04:37	Billytwowilly	\| niqo, Thanks. that'll work I suppose... now to go change some 400 files..
04:38	niqo	he, use the mysql client, and do the flagging directly on the database..table videometadata, field browse..
04:42		* Billytwowill is incapable of things complex like that.
04:42	Billytwowilly	\| I really appreciate the help though.
04:43	Billytwowilly	\| databases scare me
05:01	bdale	so, reading the commit message from cpinkham, I'm left wondering why having a frontend read from an NFS mount would be considered desirable relative to streaming to it from the backend? Is it just my historical, not-entirely-rational distrust of anything even vaguely related to NFS?
05:03	Omnic	I'm with bdale
05:03	Omnic	NFS blows :>
05:12	lmatter	bdale, I think that feature (use NFS) is for the case where your backend also NFS mounts its storage. No need to go from NFS server to backend to frontend.
05:12	lmatter	But the metadata in the db was not right unless your frontend was once a backend. Thus his commit message.
05:13	Billytwowilly	\| I was under the impression that once the mfd stuff is done it won't really matter.. everything will just be done through that..
05:14	Omnic	Billytwowilly: I highly recommend you learn SQL/databases.. they're really powerful/cool when you understand them
05:14	Billytwowilly	\| It's on my todo list;)
05:14	lmatter	Omnic, absolutely. Not that I'm biased or anything.
05:15	Billytwowilly	\| Right after learning econ stuff and graduating with an econ degree..
05:15	Billytwowilly	\| actually I shouldn't say that.
05:15	Billytwowilly	\| I should add it to things to look into over the summer.
05:15	Billytwowilly	\| would probably look good on a resume.
05:17	lmatter	geez, it's after 2:00. Time to catch some Z's.
05:17	Billytwowilly	\| 3:17 am here.
05:17	Billytwowilly	\| I'm past the point of being tired...
05:17	lmatter	Yeah but yer in school. I have to take kids to school. :-)
05:17	lmatter	later...
05:18	Billytwowilly	\| hehe;)
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05:18	Billytwowilly	\| it's reading week;)
05:18	bdale	lmatter-away: ok, I guess that makes sense, but one of my personal frustrations is that NFS write access is required for secondary backends... I'd much prefer they stream, too.
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06:46	o_c	wonder how many times i've lost connection last 24 hours..
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08:04	dja	o_cee: you should think about switching back. :-)
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08:23	oc	dja: to what?
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08:24	dja	to your previous IP provider...:-)
08:24	o_cee	ah no :) haven't swtiched yet
08:24	o_cee	going from .5 to 10mbit
08:24	dja	ahh...well then, you should get them to hurry up :-)
08:24	dja	wow, I hate you. :-)
08:24	o_cee	:)
08:25	o_cee	i just quit my current subscription.. will end on 0331.. :/
08:25	o_cee	but i'll probably be without any connection at all there for a couple of days upto three weeks, hehe
08:25	dja	ahh...I'm stuck with a cable modem (a somewhat saturated one at that)...I live too far from my CO to get something decent like DSL.
08:26	dja	I wonder how you'll live for those couple of days...:-)
08:28	o_cee	i have no idea either :)
08:28	dja	maybe you should schedule a vacation for that time...:)
08:31	o_cee	ooooh, good idea :)
08:31	o_cee	hehe
08:31	o_cee	nah, i'll be allright
08:31	dja	but what about your myth box? :-)
08:31	o_cee	need to unsubscribe -users by then or my email will be filled reeeaal quick
08:31	dja	:)
08:32	o_cee	yeah.. well.. i get 14 days of guide data.. :/
08:32	dja	again, I hate you. :-)
08:32	o_cee	waaah? :)
08:32	dja	we only get 9 days over here...
08:32	o_cee	oh :)
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08:38	o_cee	we haven't got categories in our listning.. uhm, does that make you feel any better? :)
08:45	dja	oh, much better, thanks. :)
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09:32	bline	'morning
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10:58	gulliver	hi all
10:59	gulliver	someone here, who is familiar with mythmusic sources?
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11:10	gulliver	are you all sleeping?
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11:13	gulliver	anyway: how can I access the filename of the next track which should be played in the startPlayback-function?
11:15	gulliver	I need this, because I need to call a network-daemon with the filename, everytime a file is played
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11:32	gulliver	comeon, nobody here who could help me?
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11:56	thor_	gulliver, you could just ask the generic tree what the next sorted child is
11:57	bline	hey thor, do you think anyone was use an nntp interface to the mail archive?
11:57	thor_	to myth-dev -myth-user ?
11:57	bline	yeah
11:58	bline	i just finished it
11:58	thor_	just finished what?
11:58	thor_	:-)
11:58	thor_	you have the whole archive ?
11:59	thor_	(or most of it)
11:59	thor_	and are willing to serve as a public news server for those "groups" ?
11:59	sc00p_	Does the Chris Petersen ever come in here?
11:59	thor_	nope
12:00	bline	i just finished the nntp -> forum server
12:01	bline	yeah, alex doesn't mind if i serve up the mail archive over nntp
12:01	thor_	well, one way to find out if people would use it .... :-)
12:02	bitbyte	i'd sonner use nntp than a mailinglist
12:02	bitbyte	sooner
12:02	bline	well it's readonly (for obvious reasons)
12:03	bitbyte	well
12:03	bitbyte	in that case i'd use the archive on gossamer
12:03	bitbyte	i just hate having umpteen copies of the same thing over and over and over in a thread
12:03	bitbyte	because pp uncluse the originalmessage in the reply
12:04	bitbyte	ppl include*
12:04	bitbyte	that and i dont hav time to rut through gob and gobs of mail messages everyday, mucking up my mailbox
12:06	rkulagow_	chutt: here?
12:08	gulliver	ah, hi all
12:08	gulliver	I was away some time
12:09	gulliver	thor_: would be really cool if you could point me to the function/callback, where I can do that, so that the server can be called, everytime a new song starts plaing
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12:16	thor_	gulliver, PlaybackBox::next() moves to the next track
12:17	thor_	you'd need to add something in there to get the one after the next one (since the "next" one is the one that is going to start playing now)
12:18	gulliver	thor_: is next() only called, when the user changes the song manual, or is it also called, if it's a regular songchange?
12:19	thor_	PlaybackBox::handleTreeListSignals() gets fired when either the user navigates to a track and presses enter, or the previous song ends and playbackbox itself fires next()
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12:20	Killerbun	who is the developer of mythmusic ?
12:20	gulliver	ok, thanks!
12:21	thor_	gulliver, yup
12:21	thor_	btw, what do you need to call ?
12:22	thor_	Killerbun, lots of people
12:23	Killerbun	i have some suggestion, and want to know if its worked on, people havnt tought about or they just dont care.
12:23	thor_	suggest away
12:23	Killerbun	;)
12:23	Killerbun	but who to ?
12:24	thor_	well, I wrote large parts of it
12:24	Killerbun	nice :)
12:24	Killerbun	okey as far as i understand you have to ways of displaying the ID3 tag of a song.
12:24	Killerbun	and sort the tree by.
12:24	Killerbun	by ID3 or by dirs.
12:25	thor_	yup
12:25	Killerbun	this might be a problem.
12:25	thor_	well, dirs and filename greping
12:25	thor_	vs tags
12:25	Killerbun	because if you want use tags.
12:25	Killerbun	and have a mixed folder, it will mess up the structure.
12:26	Killerbun	if you use folders it might show very long foldernames.
12:26	Killerbun	so would it be possible for it to sort by folders and use tags at the play-display ?
12:26	thor_	I think you want to look more at playlists ... or perhaps a notion of folder based playlists
12:27	Killerbun	ut this demands that you acually make a playlist every time you add a new track.
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12:28	thor_	well, perhaps add to an existing playlist
12:28	thor_	but I'm not really clear on what it is you're suggesting
12:29	Killerbun	sec.
12:30	bline	Chutt: do you mind about the nntp server interface to the archive?
12:30	Killerbun	well im suggesting that you add an option which allows the user to use ID3 tags when the folder option is enabled.
12:31	thor_	so where does a given track go in the tree ?
12:31	Killerbun	sort tree by folder..
12:31	Killerbun	display by ID3 tag when played.
12:32	thor_	ah
12:32	thor_	in the display bit, not in the tree
12:32	Killerbun	then you wouldnt have the long folder names in the display when you play a song.
12:33	thor_	might make sense, but it would have to be (yet another) option in config, because most people who are doing sort by directory do so because their tags are messed up/missing
12:34	Killerbun	the tags option is fine, but the problem here is that if you let it do its buisness and you have a folder with mixed tracks, it goes amok.
12:35	Killerbun	makes a lot of artists with 1 song.
12:35	thor_	well, you do have a lot of artists with 1 song
12:35	Killerbun	i know.
12:35	Killerbun	;)
12:35	Killerbun	but this kinda disorganises the tree.
12:36	thor_	you can have the tree do just genre album
12:36	thor_	or just album
12:36	thor_	or album artist
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12:39	thor_	you can also just hit enter/space/ok at the album level
12:39	thor_	and next prev
12:39	thor_	without ever descending to artist, title
12:40	thor_	but if what you really want is a list of songs from different albums to play, then I'm pretty sure that's a playlist
12:40	thor_	:-)
12:41	Killerbun	well
12:41	Killerbun	my albums are well sorted with id3 tags.
12:41	Killerbun	but i want to pick the structure at which they are displayed in the tree..
12:42	Killerbun	but want to only see that ID3 tag when i play the songs.
12:42	thor_	I hear you
12:42	Chutt	fix your tags to be correct, then
12:43	gulliver	thor_: can you tell me, how to convert a QString into a char* ?
12:43	thor_	.ascii()
12:43	thor_	or local8Bit()
12:43	gulliver	thanks (c:
12:43	Killerbun	so its is working like suggested, but my tags are fucked ?
12:44	Chutt	if you've got things tagged differently than how you want them sorted, i'd say you did a poor job of tagging the files originally
12:44	thor_	Killerbun, I think you may want to look at easytag and its ability to rewrite tags according to directories
12:44	rkulagow_	chutt: i've got that frontend segfault in gdb again
12:45	Chutt	rkulagow, send me the bt again?
12:46	rkulagow_	sure.
12:47	gulliver	thor_: is there a way to set the alsa-device, which mythmusic should use?
12:48	thor_	settings
12:48	rkulagow_	chutt: sent
12:49	Killerbun	=)
12:51	Killerbun	i think i messed something up thor_, and im sorry for have wasted your time.
12:51	thor_	np
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12:52	gulliver	thor_: currently it's set to /dev/dsp for me, which sound like oss-emulation. what is the value for alsa?
12:53	Chutt	gulliver, you can't use alsa in mythmusic.
12:53	thor_	I dunno, only ever used oss-emulation :-)
12:53	Chutt	rkulagow, ok, can you switch to thread 1 -- type 'thread 1'
12:53	gulliver	damn... so I can't change to a specific alsa-device, can I?
12:53	Chutt	and see if you can get a better backtrace?
12:53	thor_	well, you could add native alsa support ...
12:53	rkulagow_	ok, i'm in thread 1 now.
12:54	Chutt	just do bt
12:54	Chutt	and see if it shows more information than what you already sent
12:54	rkulagow_	nope: (gdb) bt
12:54	rkulagow_	#0 0x41298191 in select () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6
12:54	rkulagow_	#1 0x41083640 in typeinfo for QMotifStyle () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
12:54	rkulagow_	Cannot access memory at address 0x5
12:54	Chutt	meh
12:54	Chutt	how about thread 15?
12:54	rkulagow_	nope
12:55	Chutt	how hard is it to reproduce?
12:55	rkulagow_	well, it's happened twice now in a few days.
12:55	Chutt	ah
12:55	rkulagow_	usually happens when i first go to select a program
12:55	Chutt	well, if it was happening all the time, i'd suggest valgrind
12:55	rkulagow_	frontend screen goes black, then nothing.
12:55	Chutt	but that won't work since it's only occasional, most likely
12:55	rkulagow_	(if i'm in gdb, i see the segfault)
12:56	Chutt	hrmph
12:57	Killerbun	thor_, apperently the ID3v2 was the problem.
12:57	bline	hey Chutt, did you see my question about an nntp interface to the mailarchive?
12:57	thor_	Killerbun, easytag is your friend
12:57	Killerbun	im doing this from a windows machine.
12:58	Chutt	bline, 'slong as people's addresses are sufficiently obfuscated
12:58	bline	Chutt: k, will do
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13:08	gulliver	can mythtv use alsa for output?
13:09	thor_	core myth can if it is compiled with native alsa support
13:09	Chutt	yes
13:09	gulliver	Chutt: how do I have to configure this?
13:09	Chutt	in the database.
13:09	Chutt	i don't know why you'd want to, though.
13:09	Chutt	oss emulation works 99% of the time.
13:10	gulliver	Chutt: situation is the following:
13:10	thor_	.9
13:10	Chutt	i don't really care what the situation is
13:10	gulliver	I want to output the sound from mythmusic on another virtual alsa-device than the TV-Output
13:10	Chutt	search the mailing list if you want to find out how to turn it on.
13:10	gulliver	if both use OSS this is impossible
13:10	gulliver	if both would use alsa it would be possible, but mythmusic can't
13:11	Chutt	so submit a patch.
13:11	thor_	you want to use your tv to play music somewhere else ?
13:11	gulliver	so I need the oss-emulation to play on the mythmusic device, and let mythtv use alsa
13:12	Spida	re
13:12	gulliver	thor_: music goes to different speakers, than tv
13:12	gulliver	Chutt: I don't think, that I am yet able to extend mythmusic for alsa-output!
13:13	Chutt	great, so that's the end of this discussion
13:14	gulliver	Chutt: I'd really like to do this, and I will if there's no other possibility, but I'd like to use the system before I have learned that
13:17	gulliver	thor_: I am looking for that PlaybackBox::handleTreeListSignals(). but I can't find it?!
13:18	thor_	playbackbox.cpp
13:19	gulliver	thor_: this is the file I'm searching for it
13:19	thor_	I can assure you it's there
13:20	thor_	who the hell writes a C library with variables called class ?
13:21	gulliver	damn, I wasn't able to use the search-functions correct g
13:21	gulliver	lol, which library is that?
13:21	thor_	mdnsd
13:21	gulliver	what's it for?
13:21	thor_	I'm trying to not use Apple stuff to do zeroconfig on the client side of the mfd stuff
13:22	thor_	should probably go figure out howl
13:23	Killerbun	i turns out that mythtv doesnt support ID3v2 ?
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13:25	Chutt	it does id3v2 just fine.
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13:28		* niqo is getting annoyed by qte/directfb!!
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13:46	niqo	love the last post on -users
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13:56	Billytwowilly	\| any of the developers running a 2.6 kernel? I'm curious because I've seen lots of posts about trying to get it to work by users (it's my opinion that you shouldn't try anything that the developers haven't/won't use)
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14:12	gulliver	Billytwowilly: I no developer (at least not yet (c; ), but myth runs fine here on 2.6 (cvs from 1 week ago, or so)
14:13	Billytwowilly	\| nifty.
14:13	Billytwowilly	\| thanks.
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14:24	niqo	err
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15:52	gulliver	were can I find the table for TranslateKeyPress("Music", e, actions);?
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15:56	o_cee	gulliver: you change the keybindings in mythweb
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15:56	gulliver	o_cee: I need to add a new one
15:57	niqo	grep RegisterKey
15:58	gulliver	niqo: is this in database, a configfile or in the source?
16:00	niqo	src
16:01	gulliver	ok, if I understand it right now, mythdialogs.cpp provides a function called RegisterKey(), with which a module can register a keybinding, correct?
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16:02	kro	I can't figure out how to cut out commercials if they aren't be autodetected.
16:03	niqo	yup, and it will overwrite any global keybinding, iirc
16:03	kro	When I hit E and go to the editor, and then hit enter, it asks me if I want to delete before or after this frame.
16:03	kro	but I want to specify a range to delete.
16:03	gulliver	ok. and where do I have to call this? in the dialog-initialisation?
16:04	Chutt	kro, so, uh, seek to the next place you want to insert a cutpoint
16:05	kro	if I set a cutpoint in the middle, and then say cut from here to the end, I can't move to the right of that cutpoint.
16:05	Chutt	yes, you can.
16:05	kro	lemme try it again.
16:05	Chutt	that's the entire point.
16:05	o_cee	will the backend be alot slower if i run it in gdb? had crucial segfaults here this evening :/ i'll have to sleep on the couch i guess, hehe
16:05	Chutt	o_cee, yes.
16:05	o_cee	:\
16:06	o_cee	updating everything now with the resync and the fix
16:07	kro	ok, I'm a dumbass as usual.
16:07	kro	Chutt: thanks
16:09		* niqo hates when the kernel crash...
16:10	o_cee	Chutt: i think i need to send you .ts update soon.. pain in the ass when cvs updates, messes up my changes.. and yeah, i should checkout another tree, that'd help to :)
16:11	gulliver	niqo: where are the general keybinding for a module set?
16:12	niqo	anyone gotten the directfb stuff to work (no, i'm not looking for goddamn support, just a yes or no, before I tear my head off!)
16:14	Chutt	gulliver, can't you grep for it?
16:14	Chutt	in the module?
16:14	niqo	gulliver: cd mythmusic; grep REG_KEY -R
16:14	gulliver	thanks (c:
16:14	niqo	arg
16:16	kvandivo	wouldn't that look for REG_KEY in a file called -R
16:16	gulliver	kvandivo: at least it takes a very long tim
16:17	gulliver	it's running ~2 minutes now
16:17	Chutt	because it's not how you're supposed to run grep.
16:17	gulliver	what way am I supposed to run it?
16:18	niqo	bah, stdin is cool
16:19	Chutt	you're trying to modify code, and you don't know how to use grep?
16:19	Chutt	scary
16:20	gulliver	Chutt: I never was able of keep in mind how to use grep )c;
16:20	Chutt	rkulagow, think i may know what's causing your segfault.
16:21	o_cee	gulliver: man grep
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16:21	gulliver	have it (c;
16:22	gulliver	main.cpp
16:27	o_cee	Chutt: hope i didn't screw things up when i fixed the file
16:28	Chutt	when you fixed what file?
16:29	o_cee	you've got mail
16:30	o_cee	soon at least
16:30	Chutt	no i don't
16:30	o_cee	takes a while across the ocean sometimes
16:31	o_cee	ah crap, linguist added this to the top: <defaultcodec>iso8859-1</defaultcodec> dunno if it's needed, guess not
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16:35	niqo	YAY
16:36		* niqo scratches his head, and wonders what the heck he did..
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16:41	niqo	damn, no i have to fix the directfb driver..does not reinit buffers properly..
16:55	thor_	AAGGGHHHHH
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16:57	Chutt	thor?
16:57	thor_	harumph
16:57	mikegrb	Snow-Man: ping
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16:58	thor_	making changes to mfd <--> mfdclient change the protocol, make install libmfdlib, make install clientlib, make install hacked client application, see if it works
16:58	Chutt	heh
16:59	Chutt	time consuming?
16:59	thor_	too many friggin windows
16:59	Snow-Man	mikegrb: eh?
17:00	thor_	I can, however, happily report that the client will find the mfd's using zeroconfig without any Apple code (all GPL)
17:00	o_cee	Chutt: got it yet? my mail hsa been odd lately
17:00	mikegrb	Snow-Man: would you mind greping your mail error/warnings log for thegrebs.com? my backup mx says he is getting lots of myth mailing lists traffic for me comming through him
17:00	Chutt	o_cee, nope
17:00	Snow-Man	mikegrb: Maybe later, leaving work right now.
17:01	mikegrb	Snow-Man: no problem
17:01	Chutt	Feb 18 16:56:08 colo sm-mta-mqueue[2995]: i1ILmvB1002821: timeout waiting for input from mx.thegrebs.com. during client greeting
17:01	mikegrb	interesting
17:02	Chutt	Feb 18 16:52:05 colo sm-mta-mqueue[2743]: i1ILjKjg002704: timeout waiting for input from mx.thegrebs.com. during client QUIT
17:02	Chutt	Feb 18 16:52:10 colo sm-mta-mqueue[2743]: i1ILjKjg002704: timeout waiting for input from mx.thegrebs.com. during Draining Input
17:02	mikegrb	thanks Chutt I'll look into it
17:02	mikegrb	oh!
17:02	mikegrb	I know what it is!
17:02	Chutt	same for each attempt
17:02	Chutt	same 3, rather
17:02	mikegrb	thanks that solves the problem
17:02	mikegrb	I have noticed in the past myth traffic comes via ssl
17:03	mikegrb	currently experiencing 0 entropy problems on mx.thegrebs.com, it is a uml
17:03	mikegrb	I'll disable the ssl or perhaps sym link /dev/random to /dev/urandom
17:04	dja_	mikegrb: what os are you running on your mail server?
17:04	mikegrb	that is gentoo
17:04	mikegrb	but it isn't distribution specific
17:04	mikegrb	other people have experienced it in debian
17:05	dja_	I was just going to mention that I've run into in in RedHat
17:05	dja_	:-)
17:05	mikegrb	ahh
17:05	mikegrb	fix it?
17:06	dja_	did the link thing...:-)
17:07	o_cee	Chutt: send with another account now.
17:07	mikegrb	ahh
17:07	o_cee	sent even
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17:14	mikegrb	dja_: was this an smp or uml?
17:14	dja_	smp
17:16	mikegrb	which fits :/
17:16	mikegrb	well thanks for the input
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17:21	o_cee	gotta get up early tomorrow.. g'night
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17:34	dja_	thor_: you around?
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18:38	JonnyRo	hello
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18:41	thor_	dja_, I am now
18:41	JonnyRo	Is RTjpeg much faster than mpeg4 encoding?
18:44	dja_	thor_: I was wondering if you remember why you set "use_yv12" to 0 on some of the entries in dvdtranscode? :-)
18:44	thor_	heh ...
18:44	dja_	I've been having a problem with ~25% of my dvd's coming out upside down, the FAQ says to use "-V" to fix it...
18:45	thor_	all those entries came out of the transcode examples in the html documentation
18:45	thor_	it's entirely possible I just got something wrong though
18:45	thor_	you PAL ?
18:45	dja_	nope
18:46	thor_	if you'd like to do a test or two that shows explicitly how the settings should change, I'd be happy to change them
18:47	thor_	but I'm a little confused ... as this is the only time I've ever heard of this happening
18:47	thor_	perhaps a post to -users first to see if anyone else is having the same problem
18:47	dja_	ok....although looking at the doc's it looks like "-V" is warranted 99.9% of the time...:-)
18:48	thor_	I agree
18:48	dja_	I'll see if I can figure out why you set it to 0 on the 4 entries...
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18:52	dja_	duh...correction on my ~25% -- it's only ~3% of all my dvd's, but it's 25% of my "problem" rips. :-)
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18:53	thor_	heh ... I just had a look at dbcheck.cpp in mythdvd, and I can't for the life of me figure out what I was thinking ....
18:54	lmatter	thor_, check the commit comments. :-)
18:54	dja_	cool...so does that mean I don't have to try to convince you to change it? :-)
18:56	thor_	lmatter, hasn't been changed since initial import
18:57		* pcjabber is away: bb shortly
18:57	thor_	dja_, tell you what, flip the bool on those 4, try with your problem rips and get back to me
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18:58	thor_	crap ... I'll need to write some upgrade SQL
18:58	dja_	already did that...it's ~20% done on the rip...:-)
18:58	dja_	you want a patch?
18:58	thor_	k
18:58	thor_	can't just patch against the C++ code, cause in most cases the tables already there
18:58	thor_	so it'll never run
18:58	thor_	need a version bump in dbcheck.cpp
18:59	dja_	yup...I've done it in mythtv before (although Chutt did it in a different way and didn't need my patch :-)
18:59	thor_	ah, well then sure, that'd be great
18:59	thor_	:-)
18:59	dja_	:)
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19:17	dja_	thor_: since you're always using vob as the import module, can we just do away the column, or do you want to leave it for future expansion. :-)
19:19	dja_	gotta eat...bbl
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19:34	thor_	dja_, the moment we take it out, someone will complain, better to leave it in there
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20:05	dja_	thor_: that makes the patch easier. :)
20:07	dja_	hmm...anyone had the Recording Group View not show all the groups?
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20:25	dja_	is anyone using the recording groups? I'm having odd issues where a recording is set to group "A", but it appears in group "B" and group "A" doesn't show up with the "M" key...
20:31	dja_	ok, I think I've figured it out...empty groups don't show up with "M" -- got it. :-) But, if I try to move a recording from group "A" into group "B", and group "B" is empty, it "stays in" group "A" (although the advanced recording screen shows it in group "B").
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21:33	billytwowilly	\| are there any plans to split mythfrontend and mythbackend into seperate packages?
21:34	Chutt	no.
21:35	billytwowilly	\| that's too bad.
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21:37	Chutt	why?
21:37	Chutt	what possible point would there be to splitting it?
21:38	billytwowilly	\| less compile time on frontend machines.. less requirements for frontends..
21:38	thor_	heh, less compile time
21:38	Chutt	um
21:38	billytwowilly	\| There's probably more/better reasons.
21:38	Chutt	the requirements are exactly the same
21:39	billytwowilly	\| the frontend uses lame to encode mp3s?
21:39	thor_	I've personally shaved off 10 years from heat death of the universe in the last 2 days
21:39	Chutt	mythbackend is _smaller_ than the frontend
21:39	Chutt	and compiles much quicker than it.
21:39	Chutt	billytwowilly, it uses it to decode them, yes.
21:40	billytwowilly	\| it just seems strange that they are together. I don't know the technical reasons why they are together. I was just curious.
21:40	Chutt	because they're absolutely no reason to split them?
21:41	billytwowilly	\| It just seems illogical to me to have them together because they are very seperate programs...
21:42	billytwowilly	\| Don't worry about it Chutt I was just curious if there was a plan to split them up.. no worries.
21:42	Chutt	no, they're not.
21:43	billytwowilly	\| they're seperate enough to be run on different machines and still work.. That seems pretty seperate to me..
21:43	billytwowilly	\| It's not important though. It was just a curiousity.
21:44	billytwowilly	\| peace;)
21:44	Chutt	then why the hell are you still babbling on about it?
21:45	billytwowilly	\| probably because you're still talking about it.
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22:32	solarce	Does anyone have an idea what chipset the card with the following lspci entries might use? 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: Brooktree Corporation BtV 2164 (rev 09)
22:32	solarce	00:0d.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation BtV 2165 (rev 09)
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23:19	thor_	If not, I'd like to let the developers know about this feature request.
23:19	thor_	so kind
23:21	Chutt	i'm pondering redoing the db connection stuff
23:22	Chutt	have an object that makes a connection pool for it
23:22	Chutt	so there's never any problems with thread safety
23:26	thor_	I thought that was already all serialized
23:26	thor_	shows what I know
23:26	Chutt	well
23:26	Chutt	the TV / NVP object are being told to use the default connection
23:26	Chutt	and that's what's causing rkulagow's segfaults, i believe
23:26	thor_	hmm
23:27	Chutt	so, i could just create a new connection for em
23:27	Chutt	but that doesn't _really_ address the underlying issue
23:28	thor_	QSqlDatabase is not thread safe
23:28	Chutt	right.
23:28	thor_	crap
23:29	thor_	well, slightly expanded MythSQLDatabase with a mutex lock on in and out, then a pool of those
23:29	thor_	that the idea ?
23:29	Chutt	yup
23:29	Chutt	call a function in the context or whatnot to request a db connection
23:29	Chutt	call another function to put it back in the pool
23:30	Chutt	i dunno
23:30	Chutt	lotta work
23:30	Chutt	so i'll probably just make a new connection for the player object
23:30	thor_	and everything has to place nice to return it
23:30	thor_	pay nice
23:30	thor_	play nice
23:30	thor_	sheesh
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23:31	thor_	why not have everything that wants to talk to the database get settings from gContext and open their own QSqlDatabase ?
23:31	Chutt	that's what it does now
23:31	Chutt	i've just used the default connection in places where it could, before
23:31	Chutt	this is just one i overlooked =)
23:31	thor_	ah
23:32	thor_	right
23:32	thor_	right, give it it's own and be done with it
23:32	thor_	its
23:33	thor_	or you could have a look at my handy dandy dynamic thread pool stuff :-)
23:43	rkulagow	chutt: do you have a preference for "episode" vs. "subtitle"? the duplicate detecti