TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#mythtv:2004:02:15

---	Log	opened Sun Feb 15 00:00:17 2004
---	Day	changed Sun Feb 15 2004
00:00	Niqo	yea, sure you can install and play with it, upgrade later if it does not decoder dast enoguh
00:00	Niqo	hu!
00:00	dopez	hu!
00:00	dopez	;)
00:00	Niqo	;)
00:01	SarahEmm	nods
00:01		* Niqo belive it's (in lame mans terms); using those cells!
00:02		* SarahEmm needs to build a dedicated backend box with a few cap cards and massive disk space, and then just run two small frontends..
00:02	Niqo	soryy bout that, just had to
00:02	SarahEmm	but that's a future plan.
00:02		* Niqo thinks epia/eden is a nice platform
00:03	dopez	i need a backend with more pci slots :)
00:03	Niqo	or more backends ;)
00:03	dopez	the room is allready hot enough with 5 pc's running 24/7 :)
00:04	dopez	and noisy
00:04	Niqo	hmmm, nice in the winter though, dunno bout summer time...
00:05	dopez	thats kinda a problem here, its still winter here (or at least 5-10C outside)
00:05	Niqo	hmmm
00:05	dopez	and no heater on
00:05	Niqo	like -10-15c here usually
00:06	dopez	thats cold :)
00:07	Niqo	not really, when i was in (required) military service, i was located even further north, which usually went below -30c, now that's cold!
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---	Log	closed Sun Feb 15 00:09:28 2004
---	Log	opened Sun Feb 15 00:14:31 2004
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01:12	stevenm	Hi all
01:13	stevenm	I try running mythsetup, but get error: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock'
01:13	stevenm	What is wrong / how to fix?
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01:21	niqo	rich_: wrong about not beeing modules (as long as the boot is different that is), as you can include the module in initrd
01:23	niqo	nUm: pppconfig?
01:25	niqo	ops
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02:10	thor_	hmmmm cvs appears to be down
02:10	thor_	nm
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03:38	Octane	anyone have any idea why my tv playback volume is really low and there is a hiss coming out whenever there is audio? this is not the case with non-mythtv playback. this just started happening too
03:40	Octane	sb live, alsa 1.0.0.1rc3 me thinks. but this wasnt happening before and i didnt touch anything, i swear! :D
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07:22	o_cee	hmm
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07:56	o_cee	where are everyone?
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08:53	Spida	hi
08:54	Spida	Rince: you here?
08:54	Rince	yes, why?
08:54	Spida	Just read your mail...
08:55	Spida	Rince: query?
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10:39	enki	hmmmm
10:39	enki	anyone know an alternate location of the winischhofer drivers for the pundit?
10:40	enki	the link on the wilsonet.com HOWTO isnt resolving for me
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13:53	o_cee	Chutt: hello.
13:56		* Captain_Murd wonders if you can do direct assignment/copy of one qmap to another.
13:56	thor_	yup
13:57	o_cee	yeah.. yeah, of course.. duuh.. eeeh :) right
13:57	thor_	but watch the hell out if there in different threads
13:57	thor_	they're
13:57	Captain_Murdo	\| cool, so I've been wasting my time making for loops in some cases to copy one existing qmap to another existing qmap.
13:57	Captain_Murdo	\| these are all in the same thread.
13:58		* Captain_Murd makes a TODO item to fix those.
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13:58	thor_	even if you mutex the copy procedure, the QMAP is implicitly shared
13:58	thor_	so if there's another thread that will touch them
13:58	thor_	you need to be careful
13:59	Captain_Murdo	\| this is the commercial flagging stuff, the method receives a qmap that I copy another qmap's entries into.
14:00	thor_	"receives" a qmap, that some other thread then does anything with ?
14:00	thor_	(after it's given it to you)
14:03	Captain_Murdo	\| no, the commflag thread is using a commDetect object and it just calls a method to get the generated commbreak map from the object so it can then save it to the DB.
14:03	Captain_Murdo	\| only 1 thread involved at all and that's the commflag thread.
14:04	Captain_Murdo	\| receives was a bad word. maybe pass by reference, so I call a method and pass it a qmap. the method fills in that qmap with the commercial break info.
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15:51	enki	any pundit owners in here?
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16:03	kabau	hi
16:04		* Captain_Murd wonders if he was too sarcastic in his response just now on the -users list, then decides not.
16:04	mikegrb	never can be
16:05	Captain_Murdo	\| about people using cvs and complaining about a bug on the -users list but not paying attention that the bug was fixed a few days ago.
16:05	mikegrb	heheh
16:05	mikegrb	I'll be sure to not delete the whole thread right off
16:05	mikegrb	subject?
16:06	Captain_Murdo	\| that one about empty watch recording screen.
16:06	mikegrb	thanks
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16:06	mikegrb	still have three other lists first until I get there ;)
16:07	Captain_Murdo	\| I spend maybe 5-10 minutes a day perusing the -users list, too much junk in there. mainly look for subjects about things I've touched recently in cvs or commercial flagging stuff.
16:07	mikegrb	yeah
16:07	mikegrb	I spend about 5-10 minutes there too
16:09	mikegrb	my first list is quite large, higher traffic then -users and unfortunatley is not technology oriented so many people don't reply properly for threading and the like
16:10		* Captain_Murd ponders suggesting that you suggest creating a forum instead. :)
16:11		* Captain_Murd (who probably needs sleep) laughs at his lame joke.
16:11	mikegrb	heh
16:12	mikegrb	:p
16:21	o_cee	thor_: haha :)
16:21	Captain_Murdo	\| looking to see why NBC wasn't working too well with the logo detection commercial detection code and realize it's because NBC used 2 different logos during this show. they show one for a short while after the commercial then they switch to another. and they don't display it 100% of the time.
16:22	o_cee	:/
16:22	Captain_Murdo	\| annoying.. :)
16:22	o_cee	bastards
16:22	solarce	ouch
16:22	Captain_Murdo	\| no need testing logos with that recording until I can get the "All detection methods" method working.
16:24	o_cee	commit time soon then? :(
16:24	o_cee	ops
16:24	o_cee	:)
16:25	o_cee	Chutt: you here? found an untranslated string.. is it just to slap a tr() around it and run lrelease?
16:25	o_cee	bah, lupdate
16:25	Captain_Murdo	\| maybe. just testing a few things. have been modifying some stuff cleaning things up so I need to retest with my original recordings to make sure i didn't break anything. :)
16:26	o_cee	okay :)
16:26	Captain_Murdo	\| think you need lupdate and lrelease. lupdate regens .ts files and lrelease regens .qm files right?
16:26	o_cee	yeah
16:27	o_cee	but a tr() is enough? guess i could submit a patch for it
16:27	Captain_Murdo	\| might need qobject::tr if the object doesn't ?inherit? qobject.
16:27	o_cee	uhm..
16:27	o_cee	i'll submit a patch with just a tr and see what isaac says
16:28	o_cee	type->SetText(tr("Any"));
16:28	o_cee	was type->SetText("Any");
16:28	o_cee	bah, that should be right
16:28	Captain_Murdo	\| if it needs the qobject and you don't have it the comiler will choke compiling so you'll know.
16:28	o_cee	okay, trying compile then
16:30	o_cee	didn't die..
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16:32	Captain_Murdo	\| logo detection speed varies greatly depending on the size of the logo. seen some do 130fps full-speed and video I'm testing now is doing 450fps.
16:33	o_cee	where do you look for the logo? everywhere?
16:35	Captain_Murdo	\| when it tries to determine what the logo looks like it looks in the 4 corners. It actually excludes a band up the middle and horizontal across the middle to do this. then once it has figured out where the logo is, it just checks the pixels in the logo mask (which is what was on that http://www.bc2va.org/chris/tmp/logos_clear.html webpage)
16:35	o_cee	maybe it'd be speeded up a little if you specified where they keep their logo?
16:36	Captain_Murdo	\| basically divides the screen up into 9 pieces I think, almost equal in size. then looks for the logo in the 4 corners.
16:36	o_cee	out of the 4 corners
16:36	Captain_Murdo	\| initial detection only takes a 5-10 seconds normally.
16:36	Captain_Murdo	\| once it knows where the logo is then it just checks the pixels in the mask.
16:36	o_cee	okay :)
16:36	o_cee	slick
16:37	Captain_Murdo	\| initial detection is between 8 and 12 sections of 10 seconds long. so 120 seconds of video max is scanned to find the logo.
16:37	o_cee	what happens if the initial five minutes is comercials?
16:37	o_cee	are
16:37	o_cee	hmm
16:38	Captain_Murdo	\| each section is 10 seconds long and are separated by 1 minute, so it scans the 8-12 sections over 8-12 minutes.
16:38	o_cee	okay.. guess people don't have _that_ much preroll
16:38	o_cee	and that much comercials
16:38	Captain_Murdo	\| and increasing the max to 20 or so wouldn't be too much of a problem either because it does stop looking once it finds what it thinks is the logo.
16:42	o_cee	"duplicate location" is hard to translate..
16:42	o_cee	sub & desc as well (to make it taht short)
16:43	Captain_Murdo	\| yeah, we need help somewhere on that screen.
16:43	o_cee	and more space, heh
16:44	Captain_Murdo	\| yeah, tabbed or something.
16:44	o_cee	a help popup could work too, guess you don't need to see the help all the time when you're familiar with it
16:44	niqo	remove the description?
16:44	Captain_Murdo	\| thought about that.
16:44	o_cee	or make the description poup on "i"
16:44	o_cee	(programinfo)
16:44	niqo	you read my mind
16:45	o_cee	also, i don't think it's very easy to understand that you exit the screen and accept it by pressing space/enter
16:45	Captain_Murdo	\| a lot of people including me goto that page straight though so it helps to have access to that info. if we had a program info popup on the playbackbox screen it could be used here as well.
16:45	o_cee	there should be a button for it
16:45	o_cee	exactly
16:49	Captain_Murdo	\| could be just a popup like InfoDialog that could be created/exec-ed from anywhere.
16:50	Captain_Murdo	\| 'cept a popup instead of a full-screen thing.
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17:12	Omnic	way cool.. how new is this 'logo detection' ? when a friend first told me about myth, and it's commercial flagging, I instantly thought of that as a method...
17:12	Omnic	Captain_Murdoch: sounds interesting!
17:14	Captain_Murdo	\| Omnic: it's not in cvs yet but will be in a little while. it works best on stations that show their logo all the time during shows and not on commercials. if they turn it on/off during the show it may not work correctly. I'm going to be creating another detection method called "All Detection Methods" that will utilize all detection methods (blank-frame, scene change, logo) to try to be as accurate as possible.
17:15	Omnic	that sounds good...
17:15	Omnic	does the logo detection work with stations that display a slightly opaque logo? (I'm guessing it does)
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17:18	Captain_Murdo	\| it can detect those yes, but it's still being tuned as well.
17:20	Omnic	as an aside, have you ever noticed, that when trying to tune a TV to free-to-air stations, they'll always be in a commercial break when you want to work out which station it is? bloody murphy.
17:21	Sir-Al	what is the purpose of the backend?
17:21	Sir-Al	is it just for capturing?
17:23	thor_	capturing, scheduling, scheming, coordinating with other backends for all of the above
17:23	thor_	err, streaming
17:23	Omnic	heh.. scheming
17:23		* Omnic wonders what sort of scheming it does.
17:23	Omnic	world domination?
17:24	Omnic	or serial muder?
17:24	Omnic	+r
17:24	thor_	whether it should acutally record something it doesn't approve of
17:24	thor_	actually
17:24	thor_	sheesh
17:24	Omnic	lol
17:25	Omnic	good to see it doesn't have delusions of granduer
17:31	r00fus	sorry to ask a user question, but if i have yet to do tv-out and am watching mythtv on the computer, should the display on my monitor be as good (if not better) than it looks on tv?
17:32	r00fus	b/c it is not, and I am wondering if that is strictly due to a really bad vga vid card in the computer
17:33	Omnic	most capture cards have crappy tuners... fwiw.
17:35	o_cee	Captain_Murdoch: the adv rec group.. where's it located in the source?
17:36	Captain_Murdo	\| which part?
17:36	Captain_Murdo	\| it's referenced in several files.
17:36	o_cee	the screen.. with the labels and stuff like that
17:37	Captain_Murdo	\| oh, the adv screen. sorry, thought you meant recording group stuff. :) the adv screen is in scheduledrecordings.cpp but the desc/info box at the top is created in programinfo.cpp.
17:37	o_cee	think you put a tr() to much in there
17:37	o_cee	okay, thx
17:37	Captain_Murdo	\| ok.
17:38	o_cee	setLabel(QObject::tr("Recording Group"));
17:38	o_cee	addSelection(QObject::tr("Default"), QObject::tr("Default"));
17:38	o_cee	should default relly be translated?
17:39	o_cee	does that follow everywhere else?
17:39	o_cee	like, is this the only place it's ever set?
17:39	enki	hey Captain_Murdoch...do you have that link to that page that has the different ivtv patches for the avermedia m179 ?
17:40	o_cee	is it translated the same way the other places its used is what i'm trying to say
17:41	o_cee	switching betweek translations will probably mess up that
17:41	Captain_Murdo	\| o_cee, default value for the table column is "Default" (english). I was wanting it to be in the user's language so every "Default" elsewhere should be wrapped in tr() I believe.
17:41	Captain_Murdo	\| yes it will mess up if you switch. could unwrap all the "Default" strings.
17:41	Captain_Murdo	\| enki: http://www4.infi.net/~cpinkham/tmp/
17:41	o_cee	or it should look in the .ts to find out, euhhmm..
17:42	enki	ty
17:42	sfr	o_cee: it's already translated 'somewhere' (read: it's in the *.ts files already, i think for the fontsize selection)
17:42	enki	also...anyone know the fate of www.winischoffer.net ?
17:42	Captain_Murdo	\| well, if people switch back and forth between translations it wouldn't find any records and the watchrecording/playbackbox screen would be blank.
17:42	enki	im tryin to get the sis binary xfree driver for the pundit's integrated video
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17:42	enki	but the host is down
17:42	o_cee	Captain_Murdoch: your call :)
17:43	enki	oh nm
17:43	enki	the site is back up
17:43	Captain_Murdo	\| I'd say remove the tr() around "Default" everywhere. I can do that in my current tree so it should be committed when I commit the logo stuff.
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17:43	o_cee	allright
17:44	o_cee	or you'd need to add a translation to the source
17:44	o_cee	for it to fix it up on the go
17:45	Captain_Murdo	\| yeah, would get kinda hokie. if someone setup under english then switched to native language they'd be missing their recordings unless they changed groups in a bunhc of places.
17:46	o_cee	having something untranslated is annoying too tho.. heh
17:46	dja_	not to everyone. :)
17:48	Captain_Murdo	\| o_cee, yeah. is there a way to go back (ie, translate back to english)? like an untr()
17:48	o_cee	don't know
17:48	o_cee	lemme check
17:48	Captain_Murdo	\| cause could just translate onscreen and untranslate for internal use.
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17:49	Omnic	hmm... can you use one argument to a QString twice?
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17:51	sfr	hm, afair addSelection can display one string in the gui but save a different one in the db. i'd say there is one tr() too much in o_cee's example
17:52	o_cee	who's "cattin"?
17:52	Captain_Murdo	\| sfr, for the font selection code, it's lowercase 'default' I think. does it still translate that or is it case sensitive?
17:52	o_cee	sfr: wich example?
17:52	o_cee	Captain_Murdoch: sensitive
17:52	o_cee	as hell
17:52	Captain_Murdo	\| thought so.
17:53	o_cee	Ok OK O.K. O.k. is in there
17:53	sfr	o_cee: the tr(Default), tr(Default) one from above
17:53	o_cee	ooh look Captain_Murdoch
17:53	Captain_Murdo	\| where? :)
17:53	o_cee	addSelection(QObject::tr("Default"), QObject::tr("Default"));
17:54	o_cee	addSelection(QObject::tr("Default"), "Default"));
17:54	o_cee	right?
17:54	o_cee	or something like that
17:54	o_cee	maybe other way around
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17:54	sfr	Captain_Murdoch: case sensitive? it's 'default' yes.
17:54	o_cee	this should be the same in the translation setting i think, it saves something else there
17:55	sfr	o_cee: compare with the language selection setting. that should be the same case
17:55	Captain_Murdo	\| have to think about that for a sec. that would use "Default" internally and translate for display. then would need to translate in the comboboxes used in playbackbox.cpp as well.
17:56	o_cee	Captain_Murdoch: oh... hmm. can't you just do the same there? assume there's a 'Default' all the time?
17:57	Captain_Murdo	\| mythcombobox takes just a list of strings, doesn't take pairs like addselection does.
17:57	o_cee	oh
17:57	sfr	anyone knows what that %SUBTITLE\|% string in the *.ts files is used for?
17:57	o_cee	nope
17:57	o_cee	asked myself that too
17:58	Captain_Murdo	\| osd stuff I think but not sure where it's used.
17:58	sfr	looks like it shouldn't be translated to me, like the %1 variables used in other places
17:59	o_cee	don't see why it should be translated either
18:01	Captain_Murdo	\| it's in ./themes/themestrings.h but that's the format used by the theme & osd's SetText() replacement functions that take a QMap and substitute in programinfo to make the OSD and theme's more flexible as to field content onscreen.
18:02	o_cee	uhm, shouldn't that be something for theme stuff instead of translation stuff?
18:03	Captain_Murdo	\| it is for theme stuff. I'm not sure why that's there. the %SUBTITLE\|% tells the code to display the subtitle if it's non-empty.
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18:05	o_cee	k
18:06	Captain_Murdo	\| actually that's probably a mistake anyway. the part after the \| is what to display before the subtitle. it goes %SUBTITLE\|prefix\|suffix\|alternate-text%
18:06	Omnic	Captain_Murdoch: hmm, before I wonder what I've busted, can I do something ugly like QString("Foo %1, Bar %1, ...") .arg(FirstArg) .... ?
18:06	Captain_Murdo	\| Omnic: I think so but not sure.
18:06	Omnic	hmm.
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18:07	sfr	Omnic: should work but only up to 4 args afair
18:07	Captain_Murdo	\| of course when I grep for "%1.*%1" in the libmythtv directory I can't find a good example but I found a bug or two.
18:08	sfr	mythmusic/mythmusic/dbcheck.cpp line 117
18:09	Captain_Murdo	\| make that 3 bugs.
18:09	sfr	how come?
18:09	sfr	it works ;)
18:09	niqo	omnic, read the docs: http://doc.trolltech.org/3.1/qstring.html#arg
18:10	thor_	Omnic, up to 9 arguments
18:10	o_cee	Captain_Murdoch: bugs? :)
18:10	thor_	but not the "right way" to build SQL queries ... in case that's what you're doing
18:11	Octane	every time i write a support email to the list, i never get a reply
18:11	Octane	even when i write poetry about mythtv i get no reply
18:11	thor_	heh
18:11	Octane	:'(
18:11	Omnic	thor_: yeah, I knew the 9 args bit.. was just hoping I could reuse one. looks like I can, cheers
18:11	thor_	ah, yup
18:11	Octane	then some ass writes the 51,234th email ask if his hardware setup is OK and he gets a million replies
18:12	thor_	or why he doesn't get a menu when he runs "mythtv"
18:12	thor_	that always kills me
18:12	Octane	seriously
18:13	Omnic	hrm.
18:15	o_cee	"If you have configured an exit key on the System Shutdown menu, you will be given the opportunity to exit MythTV or halt the system completely. Another possibility for this field is poweroff" that's not true anymore, is it?
18:17	Captain_Murdo	\| o_cee: bugs but just for message display. probably screw up translation files by changing them though
18:17	o_cee	"This enables support for monitoring your CD/DVD drives for new disks and launchingthe proper plugin to handle them." missing space
18:17	o_cee	Captain_Murdoch: screw ahead :P
18:18	o_cee	pain in the ass that changing that space will mess the translations
18:18	Captain_Murdo	\| changed them in my source. 3 places had %1 2 or 3 times instead of using %1 %2 %3 (they meant to use %2 & %3, not %1 3 times.
18:19	o_cee	hmm
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18:23	o_cee	wtf
18:23	Captain_Murdo	\| like dvbchannel.cpp had a string that contained "out of range (min/max:%1/%1)") but min & max were arguments 2 & 3.
18:23	o_cee	bjm??
18:23	Captain_Murdo	\| he doesn't come in here.
18:23	o_cee	wth is he doing.. he sent stuff to me and engel for review, on some theme changes
18:24	o_cee	now he cmmited stuff without commenting on my comments.. hmm
18:25	o_cee	Captain_Murdoch: when chaning stuff like that, the old string will be greyed out here (obsolete) so that you can copy it to the new translation.. so it's not that hard updating it
18:26	o_cee	but it seems he did it another way that'd be better..
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18:30	Captain_Murdo	\| ok, thanks, the translated strings would need to be changed from %1 to %2/%3 as well.
18:30	o_cee	just do it, no point in having stuff broken, the translations will be updated
18:31	o_cee	eventually ;)
18:34	o_cee	Chutt took the weekend off?
18:34	Captain_Murdo	\| these are just informational messages anyway, nothing too important.
18:34	o_cee	sure, but it's better to fix them now
18:35	Captain_Murdo	\| they're corrected here so when I commit the logo stuff they'll go in.
18:35	Omnic	hrm.
18:35	Omnic	this is 'busted', but I cannot see why.
18:37	Omnic	unless mythweb is fubared
18:38	o_cee	Captain_Murdoch: great
18:38	sfr	for adults only: http://cakili.image.pbase.com/image/25810291.jpg
18:38	dja_	that's sick. :)
18:39	sfr	agreed. at least she could have gotten shaved before the show.
18:39	dja_	:)
18:40	o_cee	hahha
18:40	Omnic	bahaha.. that's good
18:41	Captain_Murdo	\| Michael & Justin? :)
18:43	o_cee	the date format.. the day names and so on.. comes from the system right?
18:44	Captain_Murdo	\| format to use comes from Myth, day names comes from system.
18:44	o_cee	how'd i make my system swedish? :)
18:45	Octane	anybody have any idea why my volume suddenly (and yes, i mean suddenly :)) got lowered significantly. all my mixer and mythtv settings are at 100%
18:46	Octane	this is only for mythtv, xine, mplayer, and even past recordings are at normal volumes
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18:47	Captain_Murdo	\| o_cee, maybe this: http://www.gnu.org/software/libidn/manual/html_node_db/x1292.html
18:48	Omnic	ok, so it's mythweb, to an extent.
18:49	o_cee	Captain_Murdoch: hmm
18:49	o_cee	oh yeeah
18:49	o_cee	root@dragon i18n # export LANG=sv_SE
18:49	o_cee	root@dragon i18n # date
18:49	o_cee	m�n feb 16 00:49:54 CET 2004
18:49	o_cee	cool :)
18:50	Omnic	o_cee: "LANG=sv_SE date'
18:50	Omnic	er.. "
18:50	o_cee	err?
18:50	Omnic	no need to export for one program.. (unless you want it to stick)
18:56	Omnic	Captain_Murdoch: what's the definitive way to know if mythbackend will record something?
18:56	o_cee	look at the statuspage
18:56	o_cee	:2345
18:56	Omnic	:6544 ?
18:57	o_cee	that one is pretty damn defenitive
18:57	Omnic	eh? 2345 ?
18:57	o_cee	http://blah:2345
18:57	o_cee	or mythbackend --printsched
18:57	Omnic	yeah, but that's not listening on my box
18:57	o_cee	ah dammit
18:57	o_cee	6544 yea
18:57	Omnic	oh good.
18:58	o_cee	sorry, dunno where i got it from :)
18:58	Omnic	right, so I'll just go on with mythweb being stupid.
18:58	o_cee	hah
18:58	Omnic	now I just need to do the UI for this feature... :/
18:58	Omnic	can't do that till I get home
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19:11	skywarper	do i really need xmltv to use mythtv?
19:11	o_cee	very much so
19:12	o_cee	you need something to fill the programguide with, in xmltv format
19:12	Octane	anyone? any ideas on why my volume suddenly dropped in mythtv?
19:12	Octane	mixer + volume settings aer all 100%
19:12	o_cee	Octane: check your rec profile
19:12	Octane	o_cee: been done that :)
19:12	o_cee	then i dunno :)
19:12	Octane	:)
19:18	Omnic	Octane: cable?
19:19	Octane	yah
19:19	Octane	'svideo/rca
19:20	Octane	from a digi cable box
19:20	Omnic	no, I mean, check your audio cable.
19:20	Omnic	thwap
19:21	o_cee	Octane: call your cable company
19:22	o_cee	Captain_Murdoch: you here?
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19:53	o_cee	Captain_Murdoch: shouldn't "Use program categories as display groups" be recording groups isntead?
19:53	o_cee	or maybe it's just on the view recs screen
19:53	o_cee	nm
19:59	skywarper	can i use mythtv to just watch movies on my television in a nice way, without having a tv-card?
19:59	skywarper	(i have tv-out of course)
20:00	o_cee	mythvideo
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20:04	nianderson	how does the pvr-350 remote work?
20:05	o_cee	topic
20:05	nianderson	is it infra-red?
20:05	Slaytanic	Yeah
20:05	nianderson	so it has to be oointed directly at the sensor right?
20:05	nianderson	s/oointed/pointed
20:05	skywarper	yeah
20:06	skywarper	or somewhere in that region
20:06	thor_	or you can bounce it off the back of your retina
20:06	Slaytanic	Precisely. The sensor is on a pretty long cable, so you can place it wherever you want.
20:06	nianderson	does a sensor come with the pvr-350? i just ordered one and started to wonder
20:06	dja_	please read the topic!
20:06	nianderson	ah
20:06	nianderson	im not here for user support
20:07	nianderson	im not using anything yet
20:07	dja_	you're not here for developing either
20:07	Snow-Man	mythweb needs a way to delete lots of things more easily.
20:07	Slaytanic	What's wrong with rm -rf / ?:)
20:08	o_cee	Captain_Murdoch: you know the sticky keys section? it would make sense to disable some items there if sticky keys aren't used..
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20:40	meth	anyone have a sony clie?
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23:22	Captain_Murdo	\| o_cee, you around?
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