| --- | Log | opened Sat Feb 14 00:00:57 2004 |
| 00:01 | Omnic | thor_: yes, I did chuckle at that one. |
| 00:02 | thor_ | something like four commits to keep track of adding and subtracting from a single variable |
| 00:02 | thor_ | very, very stupid |
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| 00:12 | Chutt | wonder how pahli_bar's doing |
| 00:12 | Chutt | and if he's had time to work on the ui scroll view thingie |
| 00:12 | thor_ | haven't seen him in ... couple of days I think |
| 00:12 | Chutt | yeah, he said he'd be busy this week |
| 00:13 | thor_ | nice if it was done, starting writing an mfd speaking client tomorrow |
| 00:13 | Chutt | neat. |
| 00:13 | thor_ | finally |
| 00:14 | Chutt | i may get some code written this weekend |
| 00:14 | Chutt | but, it's looking like i'll be fairly busy |
| 00:14 | thor_ | have some of the transcode/ripping plugin done, but need enough of a client so I can figure out how to deal with user input |
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| 00:14 | Chutt | what user input? |
| 00:15 | thor_ | do you want to import this CD? |
| 00:15 | Chutt | ah |
| 00:15 | Chutt | i figured that the frontend would just send commands 'bout that |
| 00:15 | thor_ | yeah |
| 00:15 | Chutt | give it a list of which tracks and associated metadata, etc |
| 00:15 | thor_ | but have to have enough of a client to fiddle with so my tiny brain can understand the steps |
| 00:16 | Chutt | start with the existing mythmusic source, etc |
| 00:16 | thor_ | yup |
| 00:24 | thor_ | lol |
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| 00:24 | thor_ | Mr. Hinkle is not the brightest bulb on the tree |
| 00:25 | cmorgan | heh |
| 00:26 | cmorgan | i like the reply ;-) |
| 00:26 | thor_ | heh |
| 00:27 | thor_ | spells almost as badly as stan |
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| 00:28 | Omnic | thor_: like your vs. you're ? (my pet hate) |
| 00:28 | thor_ | woud |
| 00:28 | cmorgan | hah |
| 00:29 | cmorgan | better woud than wood |
| 00:29 | thor_ | buidling |
| 00:29 | thor_ | iin |
| 00:29 | thor_ | but the whole thing about cat'ing /dev/video to a file and getting a blank screen |
| 00:30 | cmorgan | heh |
| 00:30 | cmorgan | i'm surprised he didn't try cat test.mpg > /dev/video16 and ask why that didn't work |
| 00:30 | cmorgan | i'd imagine he's all set now though |
| 00:31 | thor_ | two things that always amaze me about -users list |
| 00:31 | thor_ | 1) the number of people who haven't even done a cursory search of the archives |
| 00:31 | thor_ | 2) how many people can't seem to get lirc working |
| 00:31 | Chutt | lirc is setup pretty poorly |
| 00:32 | Chutt | they haven't put out a release in _forever_ |
| 00:32 | cmorgan | its also very difficult to get both a remote AND a ir blaster working under lirc |
| 00:32 | thor_ | that I can understand |
| 00:32 | cmorgan | lirc has a poor ratio of users to developers |
| 00:32 | thor_ | but if you follow the lirc docs, it's really very simple |
| 00:32 | cmorgan | so its not like they can help it |
| 00:33 | thor_ | to set up a basic remote |
| 00:33 | Chutt | well, there's the confusion over what version to use |
| 00:33 | Chutt | since you need a prerelease for the pvr carsd |
| 00:33 | thor_ | I guess |
| 00:33 | Chutt | cards |
| 00:33 | thor_ | huh |
| 00:34 | thor_ | I am using 0.6.6 with a PVR-250 and a grey hauppauge remote |
| 00:34 | Chutt | no you're not :p |
| 00:34 | duende | winfast tv 2000 xp deluxe remotes only work fully with cvs or 0.70 pre-release |
| 00:34 | Chutt | it's only in 0.70 prereleases that they fixed the driver to understand the grey remote |
| 00:35 | thor_ | well, dunno what to tell you ... |
| 00:35 | Omnic | my bloody remote has left and right mapped to the same signal as chan up/down. *mutteR* |
| 00:35 | thor_ | checking |
| 00:35 | thor_ | yup |
| 00:36 | thor_ | 0.6.6 |
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| 00:36 | thor_ | root@office:/usr/local/src/lirc-0.6.6# lircd --version |
| 00:36 | thor_ | lircd 0.6.6 |
| 00:37 | thor_ | works just fine |
| 00:37 | Chutt | funky |
| 00:37 | Chutt | it shouldn't =) |
| 00:37 | cmorgan | slashdot article "Desktop Linux Share Overtaking Macintosh", wow, what a surprise |
| 00:38 | thor_ | little crappy thing plugged into the middle of the PVR card, grey remote |
| 00:38 | thor_ | ah ha! |
| 00:38 | thor_ | it's a Pinnacle grey remote |
| 00:38 | thor_ | nm |
| 00:39 | thor_ | so many of these damn things lying around |
| 00:39 | Chutt | heh |
| 00:40 | thor_ | anyway, that's my point .... I never remember anything about setting up lirc because it always takes all of about 4 minutes. Guess I've been lucky |
| 00:42 | Chutt | yeah, i've never had a problem with it |
| 00:43 | Chutt | except when the debian packages weren't buildable |
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| 01:30 | Netslayer | what's the status of the scheduler? I was reading some dev posts, is it somewhat stable? |
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| 01:36 | Chutt | what's in current cvs works fine |
| 01:36 | Chutt | no major changes yet |
| 01:37 | Netslayer | auh so i should update one of these days then, before the madness begins :-) |
| 01:37 | thor_ | madness? |
| 01:37 | Netslayer | i read the scheduler is going to overhauled in phases |
| 01:37 | Netslayer | can imagine what fun it will be |
| 01:37 | thor_ | heh |
| 01:38 | thor_ | about two months ago I glanced at some of the SQL in there |
| 01:38 | thor_ | mind boggling |
| 01:38 | Netslayer | actually is manual recording broken because for the life of me lately when it mysteriously misses recordings, manual record doesnt do anything |
| 01:38 | Netslayer | heh prob scare me even more |
| 01:40 | Netslayer | and NBC really pisses me off with all their weird start and stop times |
| 01:40 | thor_ | super sized Friends ? |
| 01:41 | Netslayer | ya it makes it hard to schedule other things around it |
| 01:41 | Netslayer | but for some reason the last 3 apprentices haven't been recorded, scheduler bug or just my machines |
| 01:42 | Netslayer | I actually reformatted the hd's (not root) and reduced my RAID to 2 drives, works great now, no more PCI bandwidth problems that i can see, and i had a faulty ata controller heh so no more errors in my logs about CRC and Seeks |
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| 01:54 | CotMan | looking for a forum where there is discussion of well supported Linux hardware to use with Linux in Video Capture from cable... Google provide many hits, suggestions for keywords to limit search would be appreciated |
| 01:54 | CotMan | (and have it work with mythtv) |
| 01:54 | CotMan | TIA |
| 01:57 | Captain_Murdo | | keyword to use is #mythtv-users (with and without the # for the mailing list and the irc channel) |
| 01:59 | CotMan | perfect. Thanks! |
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| 01:59 | thor_ | that was too easy |
| 02:00 | Captain_Murdo | | Chutt, the end to your dark-show commercial detection problems could be near if the shows have logos. I have the logo detection code working pretty good. just flagged Star Trek from some Gernam station and it was exactly right on and works very well on a few other U.S. cable broadcasts I've tested. |
| 02:00 | Captain_Murdo | | thor_: yeah. |
| 02:00 | thor_ | wow |
| 02:00 | thor_ | logo detection code |
| 02:01 | Rince | damned I hate the ivtv-wiki... it doesn't work well with mozilla |
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| 02:03 | Captain_Murdo | | yeah, it jumps through the video to a bunch of places and scans for 10 seconds at each spot looking for what looks to be a logo. it then takes the info from all those spots and sees if there's a consistent logo in 2/3 of the 12 spots scanned. then it takes that logo information and uses it as it scans the whole video. it uses a mask and checks the average brightness of pixels within the mask compared to pixels outside the mask. |
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| 02:04 | thor_ | does it concentrate on corners ? |
| 02:04 | Rince | Captain_Murdoch: sounds like a good idea, especially since the logos are to change every second year (at least in .de) |
| 02:04 | Captain_Murdo | | one small problem arises when they start the logo late or end a second or two early. that could be fixed by searching for blank frames or soemthing around where it starts/stops or using the rewind feature. |
| 02:06 | Captain_Murdo | | thor_: it scans the whole frame when it's trying to determine what the logo looks like and where it's at. once it knows where it's at and it starts scanning the whole video then it only checks a box around the location of the logo so it's pretty quick. slows down as the logo gets larger or contains more pixels, but I'm trying to speed that up as well. on my Athlon 1300, it was doing 300fps on a CBS show last night, on the german |
| 02:06 | Captain_Murdo | | it was doing only 175 or so because the logo was much bigger so more pixels to test. |
| 02:06 | Chutt | captain_murdoch, that would be excellent |
| 02:07 | thor_ | exceedingly cool |
| 02:07 | Captain_Murdo | | Going to make a new detection method using just Logo for now and then try to get an "All methods" method working that uses all available info to get the best marks. |
| 02:08 | Chutt | how well's it deal with transparent logos? |
| 02:08 | Captain_Murdo | | cbs's is fairly transparent. it looks at the average brightness so it shouldnt' matter if it's transparent or not because the logo is always brighter. |
| 02:08 | Chutt | ah |
| 02:08 | Chutt | cool. |
| 02:09 | Chutt | and yeah, i was thinking of cbs's logo |
| 02:09 | Captain_Murdo | | gets a mask of the pixels in the logo and performs an average of the pixel brightness of the pixels in the mask and around the mask (a border 2 pixels around the mask) |
| 02:10 | Chutt | so can you recreate the logo later? =) |
| 02:10 | Captain_Murdo | | need to test it on color logos like VH1, I seem to remember it didn't do as well on that when I started coding this last fall. |
| 02:10 | Captain_Murdo | | it's kinda fuzzy but it has the basic shape. so not for display if that's what you mean. since it uses brightness to find the logo sometimes it isn't the exact shape, but enough to deetect later. |
| 02:11 | Captain_Murdo | | detect even. |
| 02:12 | Chutt | i was just curious |
| 02:12 | r00fus | are you trying to eliminate the logos from tv shows? |
| 02:12 | r00fus | like tv before 95? |
| 02:12 | Chutt | as to how accurate the internal representation is |
| 02:12 | Chutt | r00fus, err, no. |
| 02:12 | thor_ | slap a MythTV logo on top perhaps ? |
| 02:12 | thor_ | heh |
| 02:14 | Captain_Murdo | | I don't have a snapshot of the CBS logo, but here's what it detected in a couple other shows I am using to test. http://www.bc2va.org/chris/tmp/logos.html |
| 02:15 | Captain_Murdo | | r00fus: no, just detect commercials using logos. |
| 02:15 | Chutt | that's pretty cool |
| 02:15 | Chutt | someone give you example programs to test with or something? |
| 02:15 | Captain_Murdo | | the 1's are the pixels in the logo and the 2's and 3's are the 2-pixel wide border it uses. |
| 02:16 | Captain_Murdo | | I looked at some writeups by a few people on the net and a little code by some guy to get some ideas, but I haven't seen any actual code run that detects them other than this. |
| 02:16 | Rince | ah, Kabel1 and Pro7 ;) |
| 02:17 | Captain_Murdo | | http://toonarchive.com/projects.php has some info and source for a windows program but it doesn't look like it does much. |
| 02:18 | Chutt | very cool. |
| 02:18 | Chutt | when's it going to be in cvs? =) |
| 02:19 | Captain_Murdo | | just updated the webpage with a detected logo from CBS. since CBS does shading on theirs, it doesn't show the full logo, only the portions significantly brighter than the area around them. |
| 02:20 | Captain_Murdo | | hopefully by the end of the weekend, but that means sometime Sunday. wife would kill me if I spent the 14th working on Myth. :) |
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| 02:20 | Chutt | oh yeah |
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| 02:20 | Captain_Murdo | | Rince, so the first is Kabel1 and the 2nd is Pro7 ?? |
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| 02:23 | r00fus | is axel's server down? |
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| 03:15 | Chutt | thor's workin |
| 03:22 | thor_ | heh |
| 03:22 | thor_ | going to bed now |
| 03:22 | Chutt | i just finished porting the uilistbtntype to an osd type |
| 03:22 | Chutt | well, 'finished' in that it compiles cleanly |
| 03:22 | Chutt | still untested =) |
| 03:23 | thor_ | wow |
| 03:23 | thor_ | cool |
| 03:23 | thor_ | really need to think about UI now ... |
| 03:23 | Chutt | workin on getting menus going |
| 03:23 | Chutt | so you can send messages to the frontend to popup stuff :p |
| 03:23 | thor_ | hurray! |
| 03:24 | thor_ | put in a blank cd-r doofus! |
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| 03:24 | Chutt | well, that's really a different thing than the listbtn |
| 03:24 | Chutt | but, that too =) |
| 03:24 | thor_ | yeah |
| 03:25 | thor_ | keeps making my head swim |
| 03:25 | thor_ | whenever I think about it |
| 03:25 | thor_ | what's "on" and what's in the menu |
| 03:25 | thor_ | bah |
| 03:25 | thor_ | well, hmph |
| 03:26 | thor_ | anyhooo, I gotta sleep |
| 03:26 | Chutt | same |
| 03:26 | Chutt | g'nite |
| 03:26 | thor_ | yup |
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| 04:13 | Sir-Al | ok i'm not getting this backend and frontend stuff |
| 04:13 | Sir-Al | what is the purpose of the backend? for capturing? |
| 04:14 | Sir-Al | those dirs in the settings/config on the front end, what machine do those refer to? |
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| 09:20 | dja_ | Captain_Murdoch: you around? |
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| 10:27 | thor_ | o_cee, that fixed it ? |
| 10:28 | thor_ | may be a gcc version thing ... |
| 10:42 | Captain_Murdo | | dja, am now but not for long. |
| 10:43 | dja_ | just wondering if I'm the only one having troubles with the delete button still...:-) |
| 10:43 | Captain_Murdo | | I'm testing something with that right now to see what's going on. |
| 10:43 | Captain_Murdo | | just saw the email on the list. is that you? |
| 10:43 | dja_ | cool...I thought maybe I had messed something up...yup - I'm Dave Alden |
| 10:44 | Captain_Murdo | | ok. I'm compiling a debug version now with some cerr's in it so I can see what's going on. |
| 10:44 | dja_ | me too...:-)...but I suspect you'll figure it out much quicker than I will...:) |
| 10:47 | kvandivo | i think that having that 'delete but rerecord' button might have exposed some underlying issues with the duplicate detection that might have been slipping under the radar before |
| 10:48 | dja_ | that's a good thing (that it exposed a possible bug :) |
| 10:50 | dja_ | the interesting thing I'm seeing is that my dupmethod is 15 -- that doesn't seem like a valid number. :) |
| 10:50 | Captain_Murdo | | yeah, it's a bug in the dup detection I think somewhere. for some reason dupmethod is 15 when I print it in that function. 15 is invalid but it has bit 1 set which means no dup checking. |
| 10:50 | Captain_Murdo | | :) seeing the same thing. :) |
| 10:50 | dja_ | wow, you type fast :) |
| 10:50 | Captain_Murdo | | you just typed faster. |
| 10:50 | Captain_Murdo | | or hit enter faster. |
| 10:50 | dja_ | :) |
| 10:51 | Captain_Murdo | | in the db my dupmethods are 1 or 6. |
| 10:52 | dja_ | mine are all 6. |
| 10:54 | Captain_Murdo | | I have one show with no dupchecking. |
| 10:56 | dja_ | dupmethod also has bit 4 set, is that bit used somewhere? |
| 10:56 | Captain_Murdo | | it works differently for shows with no recordid set in recorded. checking mainserver.cpp now to see what values it's filling in for dupin and dupmethod when the frontend requests the list of recordings. |
| 10:57 | Captain_Murdo | | bit 4 isn't used, 1 is none, 2 is sub, 3 is desc. probably should have changed the patch so none was 0. |
| 10:57 | | * Captain_Murd makes a note on his TODO to look into that. |
| 11:00 | Captain_Murdo | | think I found the bug. compiling now. |
| 11:01 | dja_ | yea...:) |
| 11:01 | Captain_Murdo | | yeah, some "query.value(17)" index counts were off in mainserver.cpp. |
| 11:01 | Captain_Murdo | | 16,17,18 should have been 17,18,19. |
| 11:01 | dja_ | oops |
| 11:01 | Captain_Murdo | | the 15 was coming from the dupin field which is 15 meaning "all locations" |
| 11:02 | | * kvandivo wonders to himself if qt db query code supports query by column name instead of column number. |
| 11:02 | Captain_Murdo | | would be nice. |
| 11:03 | thor_ | eh ? |
| 11:03 | | * Captain_Murd doesn't know enough about Qt to know cause this is the first Qt program he's worked on. |
| 11:03 | Captain_Murdo | | thor_: the query.value(17) type items. |
| 11:03 | thor_ | ah, the responses |
| 11:03 | thor_ | err, results |
| 11:04 | Captain_Murdo | | would think there would be a way to get a QMap back or something. |
| 11:04 | thor_ | I don't think there is |
| 11:04 | kvandivo | i know in java i can request the equivalent of value(17) or value("idColumn").. i'm also pretty well a qt virgin, though |
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| 11:07 | Captain_Murdo | | cvs updated. |
| 11:07 | dja_ | thnx |
| 11:10 | dja_ | from the qt docs "For the sake of efficiency there are no methods to access a field by name" |
| 11:10 | dja_ | efficiency...yeah, right....:) |
| 11:11 | thor_ | it gets pretty hairy with all the types |
| 11:11 | dja_ | further reading states that the "QSqlCursor class does provide a method to access fields by name. |
| 11:12 | thor_ | what should QSqlQuery::getResultByColumnName("my_column") return? pointer to *void ? |
| 11:12 | dja_ | ok, you win. :) |
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| 11:13 | Captain_Murdo | | ptr to string which can be converted to int using ToInt(). :) |
| 11:13 | Captain_Murdo | | have to do that anyway with the query.value(1) stuff. |
| 11:13 | thor_ | well, I suppose it could .... and then you'd do QSqlQuery::getResultByColumnName("my_column")->toInt() |
| 11:13 | thor_ | heh |
| 11:13 | thor_ | yup |
| 11:13 | Captain_Murdo | | but at least you could use colum names. |
| 11:14 | thor_ | MythSqlQuery class anyone ? |
| 11:14 | thor_ | :-) |
| 11:15 | dja_ | anyone want to rewrite the QSqlQuery's as QSqlCursor's? :) |
| 11:17 | dja_ | cm: thanks -- now I can delete all of the shows from last night (my pvr250 screwed up) |
| 11:18 | | * Captain_Murd decides not to change dupCheckNone to 0 just yet since 0 is the value when there's no dupin/dupmethod info available so issameprogram() falls through and returns true which is probably a good idea. |
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| 11:33 | r00fus | this is strictly for development talk? |
| 11:33 | thor_ | or economic theory |
| 11:34 | dja_ | check the topic |
| 11:34 | r00fus | my view of the invisible hand is that it displaces the need for government reg of economic markets |
| 11:34 | dja_ | ok thor, you started it. :) |
| 11:34 | thor_ | odd to have a view of something that is invisible |
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| 12:53 | Chutt | neat |
| 12:53 | Chutt | the osdlistbtntype works =) |
| 12:55 | Chutt | 'course, controls aren't hooked up or anything |
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| 13:12 | thor_ | yeah commits |
| 13:18 | rkulagow_ | so our crappy little 19" TV has finally broken, and the wife says "lets get a new tv and move the upstairs tv downstairs". uh, "ok!". so best buy has the consumer reports #1 rated 36" for $599; sears has it for $649 + free financing for 1 year. plus they'll do a price match and give you 10% of the difference. guess i'm going to sears today. what a nice valentines day present. |
| 13:21 | Captain_Murdo | | I've been using a TV with a broken tuner for about 4 years now. tuner died on it and my grandmother was going to throw it away. use A/V cables for sat dish, vcr, Myth. guess yours is worse than that though. :) |
| 13:22 | rkulagow_ | yeah - the first channel that will tune is 7, and the A/V input doesn't work either |
| 13:22 | | * Captain_Murd thinks about the fact that 36" is almost double the previous 19". |
| 13:23 | rkulagow_ | it will be craptacular! |
| 13:23 | thor_ | HD? |
| 13:23 | rkulagow_ | nope. don't have it HD cable or anything like that. i haven't checked the price premiums on HD yet. |
| 13:24 | thor_ | I was just thinking the other day it would be nice to play with a pcHDTV card |
| 13:24 | thor_ | but I have no idea what the HD premium for a tube display is |
| 13:24 | thor_ | don't really know very much about televisions |
| 13:25 | rkulagow_ | the premium is still high. 36" toshiba for $599 vs. 32" sanyo HD for $700 |
| 13:25 | thor_ | ah |
| 13:25 | rkulagow_ | (for best buy's in consumer reports) |
| 13:25 | thor_ | well, not insane |
| 13:25 | Captain_Murdo | | worth it if the HD has VGA input. |
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| 13:26 | thor_ | + 200 for a pcHDTV card ... but you could probably convince them to comp you one |
| 13:27 | Captain_Murdo | | I'm just going to splurge on a projector someday. <echo volume=-1>someday</echo <echo volume=-2>someday</echo |
| 13:28 | thor_ | yup |
| 13:28 | Captain_Murdo | | although for some reason my wife thought that meant getting rid of the small 21" set in the living room. :) I told her why waste the projector on Trading Spaces, save it for movies. :) |
| 13:28 | thor_ | I've got a couple of those lying around for various work related things ... |
| 13:29 | thor_ | but never quite figured out how to get one into the living room |
| 13:29 | thor_ | without having cables dangling from the ceiling |
| 13:29 | thor_ | :-) |
| 13:29 | rkulagow_ | rip out the ceiling, of course! |
| 13:30 | Captain_Murdo | | considering hiding a rolldown screen behind a curtain valance. I used to work as an electrician so wiring is the easy/cheap part. |
| 13:30 | thor_ | heh ... the ceiling is 100 years old |
| 13:30 | rkulagow_ | buy a new house! |
| 13:30 | Captain_Murdo | | run it through those cheap X10 video sender units. ;) |
| 13:30 | rkulagow_ | you know, think outside the box here, thor. |
| 13:30 | thor_ | power supply ? |
| 13:30 | rkulagow_ | no, get a video over cat5 converter module. |
| 13:31 | Chutt | captain_murdoch, come rewire my house for me |
| 13:31 | Captain_Murdo | | with the room painted black, noone will notice the wires stapled to the walls. |
| 13:31 | thor_ | lol |
| 13:31 | thor_ | hmmm black duct tape |
| 13:32 | rkulagow_ | also, lesson learned. the windows 2000 services for unix NFS server is not good enough for video. found that out after discovering that mythtv had the first 3 minutes of friends and the first 10 minutes of survivor. the wife was not pleased. |
| 13:32 | Captain_Murdo | | Chutt, I'm backlogged here. I haven't got around to running the ethernet under the house. Still have a cable running down the hall and under the living room throw-rug across to the mythbox there. Just because it's easy doesn't mean I'm not lazy. ;) |
| 13:32 | Chutt | heh |
| 13:32 | Captain_Murdo | | wife isn't too happy about the cable but she loves Myth too much to complain. |
| 13:33 | Chutt | we're doing the basement, and the electrical box too much of a mess for me to be comfortable working in it |
| 13:33 | Chutt | hrm, i missed an 'is' in there somewhere |
| 13:33 | Captain_Murdo | | rkulagow_: thanks, good info. we debated trying that out for something at work but I'll keep that in mind. |
| 13:33 | Captain_Murdo | | new subpanel or main? |
| 13:33 | Chutt | main |
| 13:34 | Chutt | there's enough room, breaker-wise in there |
| 13:34 | rkulagow_ | i hope TMS gets the DD stuff figured out soon. i've been building myth boxes for friends, but will feel more comfortable once XMLTV isn't going to be an issue. |
| 13:34 | Chutt | just too many old wires are still in that someone never removed when they changed stuff around before we bought the place |
| 13:34 | Captain_Murdo | | yeah, those can be a pain sometimes. mine in this house is too small. had to put in a couple of those mini-breakers when I added the upstairs room above the garage. not under-powered, just under-sized. |
| 13:35 | Chutt | rkulagow, would be nice |
| 13:35 | thor_ | would be _very_ nice |
| 13:35 | rkulagow_ | i wonder how many "mythtv boxes for sale" messages will start coming out if DD is available. |
| 13:35 | thor_ | more |
| 13:35 | thor_ | 'fer sure |
| 13:36 | thor_ | if they can put some kind of unique key for program name and/or episode, that's the input side of the whole collaborative filtering thing solved, at least for NA |
| 13:37 | Chutt | episodes have unique ids |
| 13:37 | rkulagow_ | 250GB for $129 at dell small business |
| 13:37 | Chutt | series have unique ids |
| 13:37 | rkulagow_ | (after rebates and stuff) |
| 13:37 | thor_ | sublime |
| 13:37 | Chutt | episodes link back to the series id in the episode tag |
| 13:38 | thor_ | solved problem :-) |
| 13:38 | rkulagow_ | it would be nice to have a "sort on episode number" so that you can get a whole season of whatever and watch in episode order rather than broadcast order |
| 13:38 | thor_ | season pass |
| 13:38 | thor_ | done |
| 13:39 | rkulagow_ | things like buffy, etc, where starting in the middle might be confusing |
| 13:39 | Chutt | rkulagow, i dunno if the episode ids are in order |
| 13:39 | Octane | another mythtv on ebay |
| 13:39 | rkulagow_ | well, we'll see what happens next week. tribune is right here in chicago... |
| 13:40 | Chutt | 'course, they didn't say they were launching the service |
| 13:40 | thor_ | just that they can't see a reason not to ? |
| 13:40 | Chutt | just seems like they're getting it moving a little bit more |
| 13:40 | rkulagow_ | yeah, but it seems silly to go through all this and then not do it. |
| 13:40 | rkulagow_ | there was a huge "dry spell" there for a while |
| 13:41 | Chutt | i did just try my account the other day =) |
| 13:41 | Chutt | still works, and they've updated their site a bunch |
| 13:41 | rkulagow_ | ok, got to feed the baby and purchase a new TV. maybe i'll setup a paypal link so you guys can help me pay for it. |
| 13:41 | Chutt | heh |
| 13:42 | thor_ | pay for the baby ? |
| 13:42 | rkulagow_ | also, chutt, you don't care what i use to write the user guide, right? i'm working in OpenOffice so I can wysiwig the graphics and such. |
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| 13:43 | Chutt | naw, not at all |
| 13:43 | Chutt | i think it'd be nice to have an html formatted version for the website, but that doesn't say anything about the initial format =) |
| 13:49 | rkulagow_ | i thin OO has pdf and html outputs built-in |
| 13:50 | rkulagow_ | bbl |
| 13:58 | Rroet | hi all |
| 13:58 | o_cee | thor_: yeah, i haven't been able to kill it yet |
| 13:58 | o_cee | thor_: next/prev doesn't work, and it doesn't list my playlist.. but playing files works :) |
| 14:02 | o_cee | Captain_Murdoch: do you want sample clips from some swedish channels? |
| 14:02 | o_cee | for the logo detection |
| 14:02 | thor_ | next and prev only work on playlists |
| 14:02 | thor_ | and playlists are just being fixed |
| 14:02 | o_cee | okay then :) |
| 14:02 | thor_ | everything go back and forth to iTunes ok ? |
| 14:03 | o_cee | gcc (GCC) 3.2.3 20030422 (Gentoo Linux 1.4 3.2.3-r3, propolice) |
| 14:03 | o_cee | seemed like it |
| 14:03 | thor_ | 3.2.2 here |
| 14:03 | o_cee | maybe i should just share a small amount of files, easier to see if anything |
| 14:03 | o_cee | 's wrong |
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| 14:03 | thor_ | you should get time and size in iTunes now |
| 14:03 | o_cee | lemme check |
| 14:03 | thor_ | including for a cd if you pop one in |
| 14:04 | o_cee | no cd-rom :/ |
| 14:04 | thor_ | oh yeah |
| 14:05 | o_cee | 14/Feb/2004-20:05:10: daap server plugin map the md5 checksum relationship between "GET /update?session-id=1025202362&revision-number=1 HTTP/1.1" and "AF9F628D4516B255F4E19A667572E6D3", win a prize |
| 14:05 | o_cee | wth? :) |
| 14:05 | o_cee | i won something? muhaha |
| 14:05 | thor_ | stupid apple security through obscurity |
| 14:06 | thor_ | it's just an md5 checksum (or something like that) |
| 14:06 | thor_ | but no one's been able to reverse it yet |
| 14:06 | Rroet | video root # gcc --version |
| 14:06 | thor_ | it'll happen |
| 14:06 | Rroet | gcc (GCC) 3.3.2 20040119 (Gentoo Linux 3.3.2-r7, propolice-3.3-7) |
| 14:06 | o_cee | maybe time for emerge sync |
| 14:07 | Rroet | o_cee: for gcc ? |
| 14:07 | o_cee | yeah |
| 14:07 | Rroet | I'm running ~x86.. just so you know |
| 14:07 | o_cee | me too |
| 14:07 | Rroet | then you're outdated about 3 months ;) |
| 14:07 | o_cee | yeah, guess so :) |
| 14:07 | Rroet | btw, offtopic: http://www.yetisports.org/playonline.html |
| 14:08 | o_cee | thor_: actually nothing shows up in itunes.. lemme restart mfd |
| 14:08 | thor_ | eh? |
| 14:08 | thor_ | same lan ? |
| 14:08 | o_cee | yeah |
| 14:09 | o_cee | it shows the share but nothing in it |
| 14:09 | o_cee | hold on |
| 14:09 | thor_ | wait |
| 14:09 | thor_ | that's the digest stuff ... takes a while at startup .... |
| 14:09 | o_cee | oh |
| 14:09 | o_cee | talk to you later |
| 14:10 | thor_ | idea is that the mfd will be running all the time, so startup penalties are better than slow use |
| 14:10 | o_cee | yepp |
| 14:10 | o_cee | tiem for the grand finale of our "survivor" |
| 14:10 | thor_ | k, later |
| 14:10 | o_cee | yep |
| 14:10 | NiteOwl | whay is mfd? |
| 14:11 | NiteOwl | what is mfd? |
| 14:11 | thor_ | myth frontend daemon |
| 14:11 | Rroet | daemon ? |
| 14:12 | thor_ | nicely oxymoronic, no ? |
| 14:12 | Rroet | aye |
| 14:15 | racer | where is the VISOR OSD Theme downloadable, please do not tell me on www.mythtv.org because as far as i can tell its not there |
| 14:15 | Rroet | isn't it broken ? |
| 14:16 | racer | i had it on my last mythbox but now i have a fresh new installed, and really like this OSD |
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| 14:33 | Rroet | actually racer, you don't want themes prior to the middle of january |
| 14:33 | Rroet | some things have changed and have been added... the older themes miss items which will make the frontend crash |
| 14:37 | Chutt | the visor theme's on the website. |
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| 14:52 | crib2 | sup all |
| 14:53 | crib2 | my mythtv box constantly wont keep time |
| 14:53 | crib2 | i have to reset it every day with "date" |
| 14:53 | crib2 | is there any way to make it sync with a network time server? |
| 14:56 | Rroet | crib2: what distribution ? |
| 14:56 | Rroet | probably you need to install ntp or rdate |
| 14:56 | Rroet | ntp is the preferred application. (ntpdate) |
| 14:57 | Rroet | good thing you said it, mine was off -1.381726 seconds |
| 14:59 | crib2 | actually i found an easier way |
| 14:59 | crib2 | rdate + cron |
| 15:00 | crib2 | rdate + kcron actually |
| 15:00 | crib2 | set it to run every 2 hours |
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| 15:03 | Spida | hi |
| 15:04 | Rroet | crib2: rdate is outdated afaik |
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| 15:25 | tmueller | i can't connect to www.winischhofer.net. could someone please send me the sis drivers (sis_drv.o_4.3.0_gcc3_current.tar.gz)? |
| 15:26 | Matt | hey guys |
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| 15:26 | sfr | tmueller: not only you |
| 15:27 | Matt | just had an intresting thought |
| 15:28 | Matt | one of the other MEng project groups in my final year at uni was working on a sort of accessability enabled PVR |
| 15:29 | Matt | basically to utilise the spare processing power of the philips STB |
| 15:29 | Matt | which has a MIPS processor and an mpeg2 decoder, amonst other stuff |
| 15:29 | Matt | but they were looking at implementing a catchup feature |
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| 15:30 | Matt | so you drop 1 frame in 10, and speed up audio by 10% to match |
| 15:31 | Matt | and what you got was some only just perceivable sync problems with audio and video, but your video ran that bit faster |
| 15:32 | Matt | which meant if you'd paused it previously, you could gradually catch up with real-time video |
| 15:33 | Matt | that ought to be implementable in mythtv |
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| 15:34 | sfr | why would you want to catch up with live-tv? |
| 15:34 | Matt | ok, say you're watching tv, and the phone rings |
| 15:34 | Matt | so you pause it |
| 15:34 | Matt | and that puts you, say, 10 mins behind real-time |
| 15:35 | Matt | but there's a tv program you want to watch on a different channel after the one you're watching is on |
| 15:35 | Matt | if you only have a single tuner, you lose 10 minutes of one program |
| 15:35 | [M-M] | perhaps not if there's commercials |
| 15:35 | Matt | not if you're watching something on BBC |
| 15:36 | Matt | you get maybe a minute of commercials, if that, and only between programmes |
| 15:36 | [M-M] | true... that's why I said if :) |
| 15:36 | Matt | they did some perceptual testing, and discovered people can quite happily watch video at slightly faster than the correct speed without really noticing |
| 15:36 | thor_ | unless they have perfect pitch |
| 15:37 | Matt | and if your gaps between dropping frames isn't too big, you don't get massive sync problems |
| 15:37 | Matt | they did a test mpeg to demonstrate |
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| 15:38 | Matt | it's something I'd have found useful on several occasions |
| 15:38 | thor_ | heck, Turner networks has been known to show movies at accelerated frame rates to squeeze in more ads |
| 15:38 | thor_ | but it drives people with perfect pitch crazy |
| 15:38 | Matt | heh |
| 15:39 | thor_ | like showing 24 fps film on 25 fps PAL without altering it |
| 15:39 | Matt | but it's not something you'd want enabled all the time |
| 15:39 | Matt | only when you wanted to catch up |
| 15:39 | thor_ | wouldn't bother me, I'm pretty darn close to tone deaf |
| 15:39 | Matt | heh |
| 15:40 | Matt | it doesn't bother me either |
| 15:41 | Matt | the only time stuff like that bothers me is when I'm trying to play along with a musical instrument |
| 15:41 | Matt | while I'm quite capable of playing by ear, if you shift everything by a semitone, it puts things in really awkward keys |
| 15:49 | Rroet | http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.cfm?catid=28&threadid=51823 |
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| 16:00 | Niqo | Rroet, I get that also, and don't even have to copy a file, top with high refresh does the job very well.. |
| 16:01 | Rroet | Niqo: lower your res to 800x600x16 .. |
| 16:01 | Rroet | that will fix your glitches when watching liveTV only :) |
| 16:01 | Rroet | or recordings.. |
| 16:01 | Niqo | i'm sure i tried that |
| 16:01 | Rroet | Cozzap made a good point and is working on it. It seems to be a mythtv issue .. |
| 16:02 | Rroet | Niqo: watching it right now :) |
| 16:05 | Niqo | i'll try it later, busy upgrading my server from gentoo to debian |
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| 16:08 | [M-M] | is it just me, or does the frontend crash if you push a number key (ie/ try to change the channel) while watching a recording? |
| 16:10 | thor_ | 1 or 2 people have reported that ... bt ? |
| 16:10 | [M-M] | I can't; my gdb doesn't like threads :( |
| 16:10 | [M-M] | for some reason :( |
| 16:11 | sfr | hm, live-tv/playback of old recordings is slightly broken in latest cvs. the lower ~15% looks like the previous pixel line is smeared down vertically. this happens with 640x576 in PAL mode. |
| 16:15 | sfr | and it's independent of the 'use GUI size for TV' setting |
| 16:19 | sfr | seems only to affect mpeg2 playback (recorded using a pvr350). an old h/w mjpeg card based recording plays back fine. |
| 16:21 | sfr | [M-M]: just tried it. happens here too. |
| 16:21 | thor_ | sfr, bt ? |
| 16:21 | [M-M] | I'd love to poke at the code to see if the problem jumps out at me, but I'm not familiar with the structure :/ |
| 16:22 | sfr | thor_: hm, tomorrow. it's late here |
| 16:22 | thor_ | k |
| 16:28 | sfr | another point for the distorted playback. a test recording played back with mplayer confirms that it's a frontend problem |
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| 17:00 | Chutt | sfr, i haven't changed any of that recently |
| 17:01 | sfr | my previous cvs checkout from 01/31 doesn't have this problem |
| 17:02 | Chutt | huh |
| 17:02 | sfr | s/have/had/ |
| 17:02 | Chutt | any chance you can narrow it down further? |
| 17:02 | Chutt | i'm not seeing that here at all |
| 17:03 | Chutt | i can't record in pal mode, obviously |
| 17:03 | sfr | i'll reload the ivtv later on, maybe it's confused |
| 17:03 | Chutt | if it's playing back of old recordings in software mode, i doubt it's ivtv |
| 17:03 | sfr | err, or not as it affects playback of recordings as well |
| 17:04 | sfr | i'm getting old :) |
| 17:04 | kvandivo | we all grow old together. some of us just have a head start. |
| 17:05 | sfr | Chutt: any idea/tips on how to narrow it down? |
| 17:06 | cmorgan | if it is a source code issue a binary search might make sense |
| 17:06 | cmorgan | get cvs from a week ago, if it works then split the difference |
| 17:09 | sfr | cmorgan: i'll do that. does cvs handle a 'downgrade' or should i do a full checkout? |
| 17:10 | cmorgan | use -D |
| 17:10 | cmorgan | like cvs update -D"1 week ago" |
| 17:10 | cmorgan | just pick a time when you know it worked as your first try |
| 17:12 | kvandivo | safe to say that cvs does it all, as long as the "all" you are talking about doesn't involved getting rid of anything |
| 17:16 | cmorgan | yeah, i use the binary search at work maybe once every 6 months when there ahve been a load of changes and you just can't tell |
| 17:17 | cmorgan | its one of those things that is mostly a background task, update then wait for the compile to finish.... |
| 17:21 | sfr | should 'cvs update -D"1 week ago" mythtv' give any output? i ran it from the mythtv root directory. |
| 17:23 | sfr | a cvs checkout mythtv afterwards seems to work |
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| 17:54 | sfr | hrm, the distortion doesn't seem to occur in the small tv picture inside the epg. |
| 17:55 | cmorgan | sfr: you'll want to run it from the mythtv directory where the mythtv source is |
| 17:56 | cmorgan | it should show some output as it reversions your files |
| 17:56 | sfr | cmorgan: thx, i figured that out by now :) |
| 18:00 | sfr | the live-tv picture in the epg is definitely ok. |
| 18:00 | thor_ | so just watch that :-) |
| 18:01 | sfr | thor_: and get a 50" tv? |
| 18:01 | thor_ | or use a magnifying glass |
| 18:02 | sfr | which i already have, one for each eye ;) |
| 18:02 | thor_ | audio is pretty over rated in any case |
| 18:04 | sfr | sometimes i love the black bars in movies :) |
| 18:09 | o_cee | Captain_Murdoch: you here? please say you are :) |
| 18:10 | o_cee | Captain_Murdoch: got four sample 30 sec clips for you... |
| 18:12 | o_cee | thor_: 15/Feb/2004-00:10:45: mythmusic watcher plugin built simple list of 5745 audio files in 4.64 second(s) and iTunes works now.. |
| 18:12 | o_cee | anything speciel i should try? |
| 18:15 | | * o_cee is lonely |
| 18:15 | thor_ | heh |
| 18:15 | sfr | only this evening i hope. |
| 18:15 | thor_ | I'll playlists in shortly |
| 18:15 | thor_ | I'll have |
| 18:16 | thor_ | mock up for 2345 ? |
| 18:17 | o_cee | hey, it's been valentines day :) |
| 18:17 | thor_ | ah |
| 18:17 | o_cee | itunes is reporting length and size okay |
| 18:17 | thor_ | cool |
| 18:17 | o_cee | yeh |
| 18:17 | thor_ | have another mythbox somewhere ? |
| 18:17 | o_cee | not yet :/ |
| 18:17 | thor_ | darn |
| 18:18 | o_cee | i'd need an epia, got a spare one? :) |
| 18:18 | thor_ | not that you'd want |
| 18:18 | o_cee | think we'll make a frontend for the bedroom with a tft or something.. |
| 18:19 | thor_ | you have any music files iTunes won't play ? |
| 18:19 | thor_ | ogg, flac, wma, etc. ? |
| 18:19 | o_cee | only mp3's.. but i could try it somehow, encode something |
| 18:20 | o_cee | maybe monkey audio somewhere |
| 18:20 | thor_ | works here, but not very tested |
| 18:20 | o_cee | they're .a something? |
| 18:20 | thor_ | which one's ? |
| 18:21 | thor_ | wma is .wma (I think) |
| 18:21 | o_cee | monkey |
| 18:21 | thor_ | dunno |
| 18:21 | o_cee | guess it's not supported then ;) |
| 18:21 | o_cee | know i encoded something with .ape (that's it) a while ago for a friend.. don't think i've got it tho |
| 18:21 | thor_ | ah |
| 18:22 | thor_ | well, anything you could come up with for 2345 would be great |
| 18:22 | thor_ | nicer with playlists (in a sec) |
| 18:22 | o_cee | in meantime ;) |
| 18:22 | thor_ | well, a minute |
| 18:22 | thor_ | or 10 |
| 18:22 | o_cee | :) |
| 18:23 | thor_ | just have a weird segfault on exit I'm trying to sort out |
| 18:23 | o_cee | how did you sort out the other problem? |
| 18:24 | thor_ | the thing wherei it was segfaulting for you last night ? |
| 18:24 | o_cee | yeah |
| 18:24 | o_cee | 3_20040215000000_20040215000000.nuv these friggin filenames are driving me nuts :) |
| 18:24 | thor_ | say that it was dying after a cast, figured I'd try a C++ cast .... just a guess |
| 18:24 | thor_ | saw |
| 18:25 | o_cee | good guess ;) |
| 18:25 | o_cee | it seems |
| 18:25 | thor_ | apparently ... casting iterators .... would feel more comfortable if I knew what the hell I was doing .... |
| 18:26 | o_cee | don't ask me |
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