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| 00:14 | mikegrb | this mythtv.info site looks horrible |
| 00:14 | mikegrb | it has the anti-look of sites I like, the dark look common among "1337" sites, and a frik'n webmin module for mythtv?!?!? |
| 00:14 | mikegrb | can we please have iq tests before posting to any list? then there would be no need for seperate lists |
| 00:22 | thor_ | phew, it certainly needs cosmetic changes or a theme option |
| 00:31 | Chutt | heh |
| 00:36 | Chutt | captain_murdoch, what is F1 used for? |
| 00:37 | Captain_Murdo | | some of those v4l color controls right? |
| 00:37 | Chutt | nope |
| 00:37 | Chutt | not any longer |
| 00:37 | Captain_Murdo | | ok, great. I thought I saw those in keys.txt recently but I must be mistaken. |
| 00:37 | Chutt | so, i'm adding f1 as a global help key |
| 00:38 | Captain_Murdo | | can change that legend on playbackbox to use F1 |
| 00:38 | Chutt | soon as i finish recompiling everything |
| 00:38 | Captain_Murdo | | or HELP that is. :) |
| 00:38 | Chutt | yup, did that already =) |
| 00:39 | thor_ | oh dear ... shared content server with upnp under Java .... |
| 00:41 | mikegrb | heh |
| 00:42 | Chutt | what the hell was niteowl going on about earlier? |
| 00:50 | Captain_Murdo | | not sure, somehow he can't select stop or delete from the playbackbox evidently. :) |
| 00:59 | Chutt | hrm |
| 01:00 | Chutt | not many patches to apply |
| 01:00 | Chutt | i like this |
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| 03:02 | Lathi | i've got "digital" cable; i guess that means i've got normal analog signals up to channel 1xx and then some digitalized signals for higher channels (notably not hdtv) |
| 03:03 | Lathi | are there any video capture cards that can record this without the use of a set top box? |
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| 05:10 | o_cee | Captain_Murdoch: great work on the adv rec screen, it makes alot more sense now :) |
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| 05:38 | Spida | moin |
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| 09:00 | Dibblah1_ | Hi. I think I found the bug that causes no recorded programs to be displayed with a fresh install from CVS. DisplayRecGroup is set to 'All' rather than 'All Programs' when the DB is first populated. |
| 09:02 | Dibblah1_ | Trying to find where this is set for a patch, unless anyone else has it to hand? |
| 09:06 | o_cee | dbcheck.cpp |
| 09:09 | Dibblah1_ | Thanks. Hmm. In fact, it's not getting set at all. Am I misunderstanding here, or should it be? |
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| 09:12 | o_cee | not sure |
| 09:13 | o_cee | haven't looked at it |
| 09:13 | Captain_Murdo | | that's set wrong in programs/mythfrontend/globalsettings.cpp, the settings page has "All" where I put "All Programs" in the playbackbox page. getting ready to fix now as well as adding the ability to set the default group to Default |
| 09:13 | Dibblah1_ | :) You're all just stars. |
| 09:14 | Captain_Murdo | | good catch. |
| 09:14 | o_cee | should be Default for Default |
| 09:14 | o_cee | blah |
| 09:14 | mikegrb | I have an urge to do do this when reading the -users list http://ipa.buffalostate.edu/~etrigan/stfu.swf |
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| 09:15 | o_cee | Captain_Murdoch: nice touch to adv rec screen, alot better now :) |
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| 09:16 | rkulagow | morning. i committed a change last night on a spelling error type thing (global settings had "launchingthe" - no space). a few of the translation files in i8n had the same as their source. do i need to do anything before committing those? |
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| 09:16 | o_cee | rkulagow: all translation files needs to be updated by the translator |
| 09:16 | Captain_Murdo | | o_cee, thanks. Was David's suggestion I think, I just implemented it. |
| 09:17 | o_cee | the old one will be marked obselete |
| 09:17 | o_cee | it matches it from the original string (very stupid) |
| 09:17 | o_cee | Captain_Murdoch: worked great :) |
| 09:17 | Captain_Murdo | | Dibblah1_: bugfix is in CVS, and your irc nick is in lights in the commit log. :) |
| 09:17 | o_cee | oh so he gets to be in the commits log :P |
| 09:18 | Dibblah1_ | Woo! Now, to track down this issue with 16:9 and 4:3 :) |
| 09:18 | Captain_Murdo | | Dibblah1_: are you running current CVS? |
| 09:18 | Captain_Murdo | | meaning updated within the past 12 hours or so. |
| 09:18 | Dibblah1_ | (4:3 is sometimes with latest CVS getting bordered all-round) |
| 09:18 | Dibblah1_ | 15 minutes ago. |
| 09:19 | o_cee | rkulagow: you could manually change the .ts:es for the translations.. just change the source to your new translation and keep the translation as it is, should probably work.. |
| 09:19 | Captain_Murdo | | Dibblah1_: ok, checking. I fixed a few things with the bordering yesterday. |
| 09:19 | rkulagow | o_cee: presumably they didn't make the same spelling error in their own language! but i don'y know what impact it would have if i commit the modules with an updated <source>field |
| 09:19 | Dibblah1_ | It's much better than it was - But some channels (I'm guessing the 704x576 res ones do that) |
| 09:19 | Captain_Murdo | | dvb? |
| 09:19 | Dibblah1_ | Ugh. Need more coffee. |
| 09:19 | Dibblah1_ | Yup. |
| 09:19 | o_cee | rkulagow: no, they probably made it correct.. but now when you changed it the translation won't be found |
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| 09:20 | o_cee | rkulagow: but i'm not sure about it, i'd ask Chutt |
| 09:21 | Captain_Murdo | | Dibblah1_: if you find a bug and a solution, email it to the list and I'll commit it. gotta head to work now. |
| 09:21 | o_cee | i'm off to |
| 09:21 | o_cee | later |
| 09:21 | Dibblah1_ | OK. Thanks for your help! |
| 09:23 | Matt | well, upgrading to 0.14 went smoothly :&) |
| 09:23 | Matt | and knoppmyth works with my setup now too |
| 09:24 | Matt | which is great |
| 09:24 | Matt | now I can watch my recorded shows downstairs |
| 09:24 | mikegrb | :) |
| 09:24 | Matt | ayeaye mike |
| 09:24 | mikegrb | an xbox makes a perfect frontend ;) |
| 09:24 | Matt | hehe |
| 09:25 | Matt | dad's got a P4 1.9GHz laptop with TV out |
| 09:25 | Matt | so I suspect that'll work |
| 09:25 | mikegrb | :) |
| 09:26 | mikegrb | might be a bit slow |
| 09:26 | mikegrb | :p |
| 09:38 | Spida | Matt: which mythtv version does knoppmyth have now? |
| 09:44 | Niqo | .12 |
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| 09:54 | Slaytanic | Does anyone know what the "QDateTime::fromString: Parameter out of range" error is caused by? ptune.pl+mplayer works, I'm getting a TV image, but I can't switch channels when using "live tv" in mythtv. :/ |
| 09:54 | Dibblah1_ | You done a mythfilldatabase? |
| 09:54 | Slaytanic | Yeah, lots of insert errors (duplicate entry), so I cleared out the program table and did a new mythfill... No errors. |
| 09:55 | o_cee | Slaytanic: you managed to fix you checkchannel failed? |
| 09:55 | Slaytanic | This error just occured 2 days ago... My Myth box has been working fine for 1-2 weeks, and now suddenly this strange thing happened... |
| 09:55 | Slaytanic | o_cee: Nopes, I think that occurs when scheduled recordings start... |
| 09:56 | o_cee | i'd say take a look at the 'record' table.. |
| 09:56 | Slaytanic | How would that affect live tv? |
| 09:57 | o_cee | you said it happened when sched rec starts? |
| 09:57 | o_cee | i still think your channels table is messed somehow |
| 09:58 | Slaytanic | It looks just fine... I haven't changed anyting in it in days, today I added "PAL" to "tvformat" for all channels, but it didn't affect anything... |
| 09:58 | o_cee | should be Default, you set that someplace else.. it's just if it's different |
| 09:58 | Slaytanic | Neither chanid, channum, freqid nor sourceid have changed... |
| 09:58 | o_cee | you checked it for corruption? |
| 09:58 | Slaytanic | Yeah, I know. It was just a test... |
| 09:58 | Slaytanic | The DB? Not yet... |
| 09:59 | o_cee | and --verbose all didn't print anything more about the checkchannel failure right? |
| 10:00 | Slaytanic | You mean mythfrontend --verbose? |
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| 10:01 | o_cee | --verbose all |
| 10:01 | o_cee | at the backend as well |
| 10:01 | Slaytanic | Ok will do, hold on... |
| 10:05 | rkulagow | chutt: around? |
| 10:06 | Slaytanic | o_cee: What the... I restarted mythbackend with --verbose all and suddenly everything works again... EPG, channel switching, everything... Weird, very weird. |
| 10:07 | Matt | Spida, 0.14 |
| 10:07 | Matt | in V4R2 |
| 10:09 | o_cee | Slaytanic: that's what i told you all along ;D hehehe, now try without --verbose all again.. if it doesn't work then, it's spooky |
| 10:09 | o_cee | Slaytanic: i hope you tried restarting the backend right? |
| 10:12 | Slaytanic | o_cee: Sure did, I stopped mythbackend again and started it the "usual" way, and it seems to work fine now... I had this problem yesterday and tried rebooting the system, but it didn't help... I assumed it was a MythTV<->ivtv issue... |
| 10:13 | o_cee | Slaytanic: well.. just forget about it and be happy ;) |
| 10:15 | o_cee | Slaytanic: more time to play with the script ;) |
| 10:15 | o_cee | you do that while i pay a parkin ticket :/ |
| 10:22 | Slaytanic | Ok, have fun. :) |
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| 14:29 | o_cee | Captain_Murdoch: adv rec screen, shouldn't the "Keep max episodes" thingie be disabled if autoexpire is disabled? |
| 14:30 | o_cee | microE: nice host ;) |
| 14:31 | | * o_cee is away, movie time |
| 14:32 | Chutt | hrm |
| 14:32 | Chutt | sounds like zap2it's datadirect service might be moving forward |
| 14:37 | thor_ | really? |
| 14:37 | thor_ | that would be a major hurdle out of a viable commercial product |
| 14:39 | GreyFoxx | What is their data direct service? People can subscribe and grab the listings in a standard unchanging format ?:) |
| 14:40 | thor_ | you pay small amount a month, get an xml feed |
| 14:40 | GreyFoxx | Sweet |
| 14:40 | GreyFoxx | no more xmltv ver xxxx doesn't work any more problems |
| 14:41 | Chutt | pricing and launch date are as yet unknown |
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| 14:41 | thor_ | so they've come to the conclusion that there is no reason _not_ to do it, just haven't decided how/how fast to do it ? |
| 14:42 | Chutt | apparently |
| 14:43 | GreyFoxx | The main problem I see is when Joe User in say New York subscribes, down loads it and allows others to grab it from him instead of buying their own subscription. |
| 14:43 | thor_ | they must see all the hits and scrapes .... and be thinking, "hey, that's just money we're leaving on the table" |
| 14:43 | GreyFoxx | zap2it data "hubs" :) |
| 14:43 | GreyFoxx | thor_: probably :) |
| 14:43 | thor_ | better than getting it scraped day and night for free |
| 14:43 | thor_ | and they would still own the copyright |
| 14:44 | GreyFoxx | true, and even 1 person paying is more than noone paying :) |
| 14:44 | thor_ | so they could go after serious infgingers, if they wanted to |
| 14:44 | thor_ | infringers |
| 14:44 | GreyFoxx | Hopefully they provide a nice reliable service for it. I'd pay a couple bucks a month |
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| 14:45 | Chutt | better data, too. |
| 14:45 | thor_ | oh yeah |
| 14:45 | Chutt | actor info, better categories |
| 14:45 | thor_ | exactly |
| 14:45 | GreyFoxx | probably a lot more yeah |
| 14:45 | Chutt | series/episode info |
| 14:45 | Chutt | no probably about it :p |
| 14:45 | thor_ | proper repeat flags |
| 14:45 | GreyFoxx | I'd love to see something like season/episode numbers :) |
| 14:46 | thor_ | originially aired dates |
| 14:46 | GreyFoxx | It would be pretty sweet. |
| 14:46 | Chutt | downloads an entire day's worth of data _fast_ |
| 14:46 | thor_ | no scrape, munge, parse |
| 14:46 | GreyFoxx | hehe no more scraping! |
| 14:47 | kvandivo | most importantly, no more random breakage |
| 14:47 | Chutt | naw, that's not important |
| 14:47 | thor_ | bravo for zap2it, first they played nice with the xmltv folks, and now they're thinking sensibly about how to make money |
| 14:47 | kvandivo | :) |
| 14:53 | thor_ | hmmm ... and vendors could sell boxes with, "6 months of zap2it included free of charge" |
| 14:53 | thor_ | or resell zap2it services under their own brand |
| 14:55 | GreyFoxx | Interesting, my EPG takes a LOT longer to render if I'm not the root user. |
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| 15:03 | thor_ | Chutt, so am I right in thinking that QSqlQuery::bindValue() stuff does all the special character substitutions itself ? |
| 15:15 | Chutt | thor, i believe so |
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| 15:16 | thor_ | certainly seems to ... I'm in the process of ripping out some regexp's and trying on the most diabolical filenames and tags I can think of |
| 15:20 | Chutt | the bind/prepare stuff escapes all 's with \', uses ' as the string delimiter |
| 15:20 | Chutt | and escapes all \s with \\ |
| 15:20 | Chutt | so, should work for most everything |
| 15:21 | thor_ | yup, seems to ... really nice :-) |
| 15:21 | Chutt | (QSqlDriver and QMYSQLDriver::formatValue()) |
| 15:21 | Chutt | if you have the source |
| 15:21 | thor_ | yup |
| 15:22 | thor_ | once again, thank god for Qt .... although they could be a little clearer about what's going on in the docs |
| 15:22 | mdz | mysql doesn't actually support prepared statements on the server side yet, does it? |
| 15:23 | thor_ | don't think so |
| 15:23 | thor_ | but Qt does it itself if the sql driver doesn't support it natively |
| 15:23 | Chutt | right |
| 15:24 | Chutt | it just treats is as a .arg() or whatnot |
| 15:24 | Chutt | and takes care of escaping strings and other data types for you |
| 15:24 | thor_ | except you can go way over 9 :-) |
| 15:24 | mdz | .arg is limited to 9? |
| 15:24 | Chutt | yeah |
| 15:25 | mdz | I wonder if it lets you substitute the same arg multiple times |
| 15:25 | mdz | I could really clean up the scheduler query with that |
| 15:25 | mdz | and make it faster |
| 15:25 | thor_ | you can do it positionally bindValue(6, "foo"), bindValue(7, "foo") |
| 15:26 | mdz | thor_: but can you then substitute value 6 into multiple places in the query? |
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| 15:27 | thor_ | you 'd do : SELECT ? FROM blah WHERE col1 = ? and col2 = ? and col3 = ? |
| 15:27 | thor_ | bindValue(0, "intid") |
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| 15:27 | thor_ | bindValue(1, some_string); |
| 15:27 | thor_ | bindValue(2, some_string) |
| 15:27 | thor_ | bindValue(3, some_string) |
| 15:28 | Chutt | i like the named way better |
| 15:28 | thor_ | or that |
| 15:28 | thor_ | it's pretty darn cool |
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| 15:55 | rkulagow | chutt: i just got the same email from the zap2it folks. |
| 15:56 | Chutt | yeah |
| 15:56 | rkulagow | chutt: did you see my question earlier about the i8n stuff? there was a typo in some of the help text in globalsettings.cpp; i commited a fix last night. some of the i8n modules have the same error; if i fix it there (by adding the space that was missing), do i need to do anything other than commit? |
| 15:56 | Chutt | figured :p |
| 15:56 | Chutt | if you fix it manually in the .ts files? |
| 15:57 | mdz | rkulagow, Chutt: can one of you forward a copy of this email? |
| 15:57 | rkulagow | chutt: yes. |
| 15:57 | rkulagow | mdz: sure |
| 15:57 | Chutt | rkulagow, that'd work, yeah |
| 15:57 | Chutt | and you can just commit it, or you can run 'lrelease translate.pro' and regenerate the .qm files |
| 15:57 | rkulagow | mdz: sent |
| 15:58 | rkulagow | chutt: i'll just commit. |
| 16:01 | Chutt | cool. |
| 16:02 | thor_ | What if all (or most) people who already set up a forum, and there are quite a few, come together (well virtually off coarse)? |
| 16:02 | thor_ | heh |
| 16:02 | thor_ | they'd need a forum for that |
| 16:02 | thor_ | or maybe they could do it on the mailing list |
| 16:02 | thor_ | lol |
| 16:06 | Niqo | chutt: how come the b_type stuff in avfd don't use the pts supplied by avc when it's available (seems to work better here, even with playing for hours)? |
| 16:07 | Chutt | look at the source to ffmpeg or ffplay. |
| 16:07 | mdz | rkulagow: thanks |
| 16:07 | mdz | rkulagow: how did you end up on that mailing list? |
| 16:08 | Chutt | signed up for the datadirect beta last year |
| 16:09 | Niqo | k |
| 16:10 | mdz | oh, didn't hear about that |
| 16:10 | mdz | I did GIST |
| 16:10 | mdz | for that week or whatever |
| 16:12 | Niqo | hm, look at the comment for output_picture2, i belive you've made my point |
| 16:12 | Chutt | err, no |
| 16:12 | Chutt | the code in avfdecoder is identical to what's in ffplay. |
| 16:12 | Niqo | yea, but it's only supposed to be used if the pts is omitted from the stream |
| 16:13 | Chutt | err, no |
| 16:14 | Chutt | the comment on top of the function is left over from the old libavformat api. |
| 16:15 | Chutt | comments are meaningless, read what the code is actually doing. |
| 16:21 | Chutt | and anyway, last time you asked about that, i tried it out, and it broke playback for me |
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| 16:33 | Niqo | i don't get why it works better, and why it broke for you, but michael sure knows his stuff :) |
| 16:33 | Chutt | he didn't write the libavformat stuff. |
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| 16:36 | Niqo | the av_seek_frame you mean? |
| 16:37 | Chutt | any of it. |
| 16:40 | Niqo | looked like he was writing a bounch the last time i was subscribed to the ffmpeg-dev list tho.. |
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| 17:05 | shorawitz | so, wuts the latest recommendation for gentoo kernel sources these days? |
| 17:06 | thor_ | kvandivo, I think the imperial size for the oil pan lug is actually 1-1/15" |
| 17:06 | kvandivo | no kidding... |
| 17:07 | kvandivo | i thought that fish climbed ladders in red clouds |
| 17:07 | thor_ | seems that colourless green ideas _do_ sleep furiously |
| 17:07 | mdz | thor_: flour patties live healthy sprinklers? |
| 17:08 | thor_ | yesterday |
| 17:08 | kvandivo | we crack ourselves up |
| 17:08 | dja | and others...:) |
| 17:10 | Omnic | thor_: I hate to be picky, but "fix a few things" is really lacking in details. |
| 17:10 | thor_ | heh |
| 17:11 | thor_ | one of those times where I was fixing a bunch of things and couldn't remember what the hell I'd done when I was finished |
| 17:11 | Omnic | it'd be nice to know if what you fixed was ever mentioned on the list as a bug... |
| 17:11 | Chutt | if you don't want to be picky, so, try shutting the hell up? |
| 17:11 | Omnic | what exactly is your problem? |
| 17:11 | thor_ | well, if you look at the commits it was for the mfd, which I suspect about 6 people on planet earth have ever compiled |
| 17:12 | Chutt | a non-developer complaining about someone's commit message for something they're not even using? |
| 17:13 | Omnic | thor_: good, point, I missed that :P |
| 17:13 | Omnic | Chutt: in a community where there are a lot of very intelligent folk, a newcomer is wise to make sure that whatever he submits as a patch is *right*, which is what I'm trying to do. |
| 17:14 | Chutt | uh, no, it looked like you were bitching about thor's commit message for mfd |
| 17:16 | Omnic | fine, remind me never to make any comments again. |
| 17:17 | | * dja bits his tounge |
| 17:17 | dja | s/bits/bites/ sigh, I'll learn to spell some day |
| 17:17 | kvandivo | ^tounge^tongue |
| 17:18 | | * kvandivo smirks. |
| 17:18 | dja | ouch, that hurt... |
| 17:18 | Niqo | time to actually try to figure out why, reading some parts of the mpeg spec should be healthy sometimes.. |
| 17:18 | dja | :) |
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| 18:14 | o_cee | hi all |
| 18:15 | o_cee | the zap2it service doesn't mention swedish listnings, does it? ;) |
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| 18:16 | o_cee | question for you guys; what's the easiest implementation of a binary search tree? linked style or array style? i'm going to write myself an avl-tree.. just want to do it the most simple way there is really :) |
| 18:16 | Rince | this is a philosophical question, right? ;) |
| 18:17 | o_cee | don't see how it could be that? :) |
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| 18:17 | Niqo | changed the code back, and now the decoder start with prebuffering pause after little over an hour |
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| 18:18 | Niqo | could the cause be that we are not reordering buffers tho? |
| 18:18 | o_cee | Niqo: chutt quit |
| 18:18 | o_cee | Captain_Murdoch: you there? |
| 18:19 | o_cee | thor_: me one of those six people? :) |
| 18:19 | Niqo | ah, didn't notice, thanks, been reading |
| 18:19 | o_cee | :) |
| 18:19 | Niqo | late night work o_cee? |
| 18:20 | o_cee | yeah |
| 18:21 | o_cee | you got any pointers? |
| 18:21 | Niqo | slapper av med en dram og litt mpeg lesing jeg, hmm, på en fredag :| |
| 18:22 | o_cee | en dram? what's that? |
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| 18:25 | Niqo | that stuff that makes your head spin... |
| 18:25 | Niqo | dunno about your linked lists/bin search tree/whatever tho... |
| 18:26 | Niqo | what in that tree anyways? wood? (dooh, that's not funny! :) |
| 18:27 | o_cee | Niqo: oh, never heard that word |
| 18:27 | o_cee | Niqo: it's just a task for a course |
| 18:28 | o_cee | if i'd use it i wouldn't write it myself :) |
| 18:28 | o_cee | but they clearly thinks tha we should have written our own tree at least once, heh |
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| 18:33 | Niqo | ah (not that i've ever done it..).. |
| 18:33 | o_cee | :) |
| 18:33 | o_cee | why would anyone do it, heh |
| 18:34 | Niqo | to learn i guess.. |
| 18:36 | o_cee | pita |
| 18:37 | Snappi | will there be problems with mythgame if I use znes insteed of snes9x? |
| 18:38 | o_cee | keep your questions to mythtv-users, no need to ask twice |
| 18:38 | Niqo | can anyone explain why overwriting libmythtv while the frontend is running is corrupting the lib? |
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| 18:48 | o_cee | welcome back |
| 18:48 | o_cee | again |
| 18:48 | o_cee | i'm bored |
| 18:48 | thor_ | make an mfd http interface :-) |
| 18:49 | o_cee | right |
| 18:49 | o_cee | i'll update and look at it |
| 18:49 | o_cee | saw you changed something |
| 18:49 | thor_ | things changing all the time |
| 18:49 | thor_ | :-) |
| 18:50 | o_cee | yeah |
| 18:50 | o_cee | :) |
| 18:50 | o_cee | done alot of http stuff lately tho |
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| 18:51 | thor_ | the http plugin is still a terrible quick hack |
| 18:51 | thor_ | but you could start thinking about what should be there and what it should do |
| 18:51 | o_cee | i thought you knew that :) |
| 18:51 | thor_ | well ... |
| 18:54 | o_cee | whoaow, errors |
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| 18:57 | o_cee | everyone's so quiet today |
| 18:58 | Niqo | thor: wanna correct the repeat_pict calculation in avformatdecoder.cpp in accordance with the comment in avcodec.h:482? |
| 19:00 | o_cee | thor_: i love the code of the html :) everything on one line, muhahahha. anyway.. i'd really want you to mockup what you want.. don't have any ideas really |
| 19:01 | Niqo | the mfd archive displayed in konqueror would be nice :) |
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| 19:02 | o_cee | that's what the http page will do |
| 19:02 | Niqo | oh |
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| 19:03 | Niqo | hmm |
| 19:03 | o_cee | or does.. just not very nice atm ;) |
| 19:03 | thor_ | o_cee .. well, it should do what it does ... Status, Audio, Video, Images |
| 19:03 | Niqo | oh, so talking about looks then |
| 19:03 | thor_ | just not horrendously ugly |
| 19:03 | o_cee | thor_: right.. i'll see if i can think of something |
| 19:04 | o_cee | what's ufpi? |
| 19:04 | thor_ | ultra fancy pants interface |
| 19:04 | o_cee | oh. neat |
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| 19:16 | Niqo | coool, my backend just crapped out (or the card actually) (in livetv), and my frontend exited and displayed a popup about a problem on the backend ;) |
| 19:16 | livesN[box] | hey guys -- I got everything working except for a.) my sound and b.) -- I need to figure out how to get mythtv's menu on my screen |
| 19:16 | livesN[box] | both issues involve my PVR-350 I think |
| 19:16 | thor_ | o_cee, try it now |
| 19:16 | livesN[box] | if I go to "watch tv" the picture shows up on my tv.. but none of mythtv's menus doe |
| 19:17 | o_cee | thor_: compilin |
| 19:17 | thor_ | k |
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| 19:37 | o_cee | how's previouslyshown in mythconverg.program used? |
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| 19:48 | Niqo | o_cee: doesn't look like it's used for anything but storage... |
| 19:48 | Niqo | at least from a quick grep of libmythtv/mythbackend/mythfrontend in that order |
| 19:49 | Niqo | does libavcodec always use low_delay? |
| 19:49 | o_cee | allright, maybe the new sched will use it |
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| 20:01 | Niqo | no wonder i was confused about the avfd b_type stuff, i actually thought i was b and b was i...hmmm |
| 20:03 | Niqo | but i still don't get the point of assigning the last non-b-pts to the current non-b-frames |
| 20:07 | Niqo | chutt: for the repeat_pict in avfd, have a look at avcodec.h:482 |
| 20:24 | o_cee | Chutt: did you try that keyboard patch thingie? |
| 20:33 | Captain_Murdo | | o_cee, the max episodes thing doesn't have to have autoexpire turned on to work. if you're over the max, it will be expired whether auto expire is on or not. |
| 20:34 | Captain_Murdo | | auto expire means let the program expire if you need disk space. |
| 20:34 | o_cee | ooohhhhuummm.. let me think |
| 20:35 | o_cee | didn't know that |
| 20:35 | o_cee | maybe it should be disabled if global autoexpire is off? |
| 20:35 | o_cee | don't think i got it enabled |
| 20:38 | Captain_Murdo | | yeah, or maybe it should override global expire being off. have to think about that, one of them needs to be fixed probably. bbl, going to dinner now. |
| 20:40 | o_cee | bed soon |
| 20:40 | o_cee | [mythtv] [PATCH] new uitypes and use in the program finder |
| 20:45 | Chutt | niqo, right, but myth needs a tiny bit of support code to handle repeats better |
| 20:45 | Chutt | o_cee, part of that patch is applied |
| 20:45 | Chutt | i'm planning on rewriting the rest of it a little, as i didn't really like how it worked |
| 20:48 | o_cee | Chutt: okay, cool.. just came to my mind |
| 20:48 | o_cee | one of the .pngs looked really crappy tho, the transparent one.. |
| 20:48 | Niqo | i see |
| 20:49 | Niqo | chutt, do you know if avcodec always does low_delay (reordering b-frames), or if the flag is needed? |
| 20:49 | Chutt | low_delay means there's no b-frames, afaik |
| 20:50 | o_cee | trans-phoneshell.png.. there's like 'dust' in the image heheh |
| 20:50 | Chutt | anyway, i'm outta here for now |
| 20:50 | o_cee | okay, later |
| 20:51 | o_cee | tiem for bed here |
| 20:52 | Niqo | i'm reading it as it could be b-frames, but that they are certain to be ordered |
| 20:52 | Niqo | but then again, i'm mistaken a lot, later |
| 20:56 | Niqo | anyways, there is definatly something strange with it, my frontend been playing for almost 1 1/2 hour now, and it's not prebuffering anymore, this is with the modified last_p_pts |
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| 21:09 | cfreeze | #mythtv-users seems sorta dead |
| 21:12 | NiteOwl | just built myth, want to run it standalone in it's own directory - I have set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH. The backend runs. The frontend can't find it's themes |
| 21:12 | NiteOwl | so... |
| 21:13 | NiteOwl | I rebuilt after modifying settings.pro PREFIX to point to /usr/share instead of /usr/local/share, still no go...what am i missing |
| 21:13 | thor_ | "want to run it standalone in it's own directory" or you want it to use "/usr/share" ? |
| 21:14 | NiteOwl | i didn't explain well...I want to run my own copy without overwriting the executables and shared libraries. It's ok, if it wants to get theme and setting info from other places |
| 21:14 | NiteOwl | I did not do a make install. |
| 21:15 | thor_ | and how were you expecting theme files to appear in /usr/share ? |
| 21:16 | NiteOwl | /usr/share/mythtv/themes is where atrpms puts them for Mythtv 0.14 |
| 21:16 | NiteOwl | so they are there now |
| 21:16 | thor_ | and you are building cvs ? |
| 21:16 | NiteOwl | yes. cvs |
| 21:16 | thor_ | and the theme files have changed ... |
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| 21:16 | NiteOwl | oh ok. They changed? |
| 21:17 | thor_ | parts of them |
| 21:17 | NiteOwl | is there an environment variable I can set so it will look at the versions I checked out from CVS? |
| 21:17 | thor_ | don't think sp |
| 21:17 | thor_ | so |
| 21:18 | thor_ | should work off your prefix setting |
| 21:18 | thor_ | but trying to run two different versions with two different sets of libraries is an exercise fraught with peril |
| 21:19 | NiteOwl | perhaps...Shouldn't be too bad as long as the right shared libraries are accessible. That's what LD_LIBRARY_PATH is for. |
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| 21:19 | NiteOwl | ..unless I'm missing something here... |
| 21:20 | NiteOwl | give me a clue if I'm clueless |
| 21:20 | thor_ | you'd have to keep chaning LD_LIBRARY_PATH and rememering to run ldconfig every time you switched |
| 21:20 | thor_ | changing |
| 21:21 | thor_ | plus you'd be playing havoc with any version changes in the database schema |
| 21:21 | NiteOwl | actually running ldconfig does not seem to be necessary. |
| 21:21 | NiteOwl | true |
| 21:21 | NiteOwl | are there any changes in the schema at the moment? |
| 21:21 | thor_ | mmuisc |
| 21:21 | thor_ | mmusic |
| 21:21 | thor_ | that I'm aware of, don't know about others |
| 21:22 | G-funk|laptop | | can someone tell me how to get a joystick to work with fceultra? |
| 21:22 | G-funk|laptop | | or sdl in general... |
| 21:22 | NiteOwl | ahh ok. I'm not using that at the moment. My main focus is mythTV and I want to track down some annoying issues - like why deleting a program in progress breaks the front and backends |
| 21:23 | NiteOwl | G-funk|laptop: I don't think you are on the right channel. I think there is an sdl channel on one irc server - not sure if it's this one |
| 21:23 | o_cee | NiteOwl: it doesn't :) |
| 21:23 | cfreeze | I've had it crash doing the same, but not always |
| 21:23 | NiteOwl | o_cee: You squished that one ? |
| 21:23 | cfreeze | that was with .13 |
| 21:23 | o_cee | NiteOwl: i don't squish things |
| 21:24 | o_cee | but i know it's working ;) |
| 21:24 | NiteOwl | ok, fixed that bug |
| 21:24 | NiteOwl | :-) |
| 21:24 | NiteOwl | I'll try it with my brand new CVS build as soon as I get the frontend to find it's theme |
| 21:26 | NiteOwl | I actually got by the theme location issue by copying them to ~/.mythtv/themes...now I need to sort out finding the menu file: mainmenu.xml |
| 21:29 | o_cee | i've always been using cvs |
| 21:34 | josephk | I tried to not use cvs |
| 21:34 | josephk | just doesn't work out |
| 21:36 | josephk | hmmm...don't you just love when you change channels and it pauses on the last image from the previous channel |
| 21:37 | josephk | I now realize why most digital boxes show black in between |
| 21:37 | josephk | people can make some scary faces |
| 21:37 | josephk | hehe |
| 21:38 | NiteOwl | ahh: found it. The environment variable I need is MYTHTVDIR |
| 21:39 | NiteOwl | nope actually... |
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| 21:43 | DJ_Rican | hello ppl |
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| 21:45 | NiteOwl | actually that was it :-) export MYTHTVDIR="/usr" - only needed /usr not /usr/share |
| 21:48 | Chutt | josephk, i've found that channel changes feel like they take longer if it's just displaying black |
| 21:51 | josephk | some things just shouldn't be displayed that long...like when you're trying to escape from kathy lee gifford's face...it's not right |
| 21:52 | josephk | I can understand how it would look longer especially since the next channel is showed buffering |
| 21:53 | josephk | shown |
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| 21:53 | josephk | maybe we can play a game in between channel changes. that would make it seem like less time |
| 21:54 | josephk | hehe |
| 21:54 | thor_ | Amiga boing ball in the osd |
| 21:54 | Chutt | easiest way to make the channel changes faster is use an analog card |
| 21:55 | thor_ | glMap the fast frame of the channel your leaving onto one fact of the boing ball ... have it bounce around the screen .... when the next channel is ready map it to another facet and zoom out to live |
| 21:55 | Chutt | heh |
| 21:56 | josephk | I was only comparing to digital...not using it |
| 21:56 | thor_ | fun fun fun |
| 21:56 | Chutt | yea, i know |
| 21:56 | josephk | I don't really care either way |
| 21:56 | josephk | I'm not going to complain about the time delay either |
| 21:57 | josephk | its definitely liveabl |
| 21:57 | josephk | e |
| 21:57 | NiteOwl | o_cee: I just tested trying to delete a program while recording it...for me at least, it seems to still lose connection to the backend |
| 21:57 | josephk | but you do have to admit, that if you're watching something incriminating, your wife has plenty of time to see it...haha |
| 22:00 | Chutt | niteowl, i'm unable to reproduce that. |
| 22:00 | josephk | had that problem on the old box |
| 22:02 | josephk | that and the epg crashing the box, watching a recording killing it, etc |
| 22:03 | Chutt | so, ivtv problems |
| 22:04 | NiteOwl | josephk: what is the diff between your new box and the old one |
| 22:04 | NiteOwl | Chutt: sounds like ivtv problems |
| 22:05 | Chutt | no, the two things he mentioned are ivtv problems |
| 22:05 | Chutt | no 'sounds like' about it :p |
| 22:06 | NiteOwl | ok. Who is working on those? Do you know? |
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| 22:06 | Chutt | the ivtv driver guy? |
| 22:07 | NiteOwl | yeah him. From the list it looks like Chris and Matthias and perhaps Derek. Anyone else you know of I should contact if I'm interested in helping |
| 22:07 | Chutt | um |
| 22:07 | McQuaid | anyone use xinerama with nvidia's twinview? my understanding is that with twinview neither screen get hardware overlay so kinda makes using xinerama with nvidia and myth useless no? |
| 22:08 | Chutt | it's kevin thayer. |
| 22:08 | Chutt | as it says on the ivtv website. |
| 22:08 | NiteOwl | ok, I'll contact him. Thanks. |
| 22:08 | Omnic | McQuaid: hmm? I do |
| 22:08 | Chutt | mcquaid, xinerama's a broken idea anyway, so using it in general is rather useless |
| 22:08 | Omnic | McQuaid: not with myth though |
| 22:09 | McQuaid | omnic so you use twinview and use myth's xinerama abilities and have hardware overlay on the tv? |
| 22:09 | Omnic | < Omnic> McQuaid: not with myth though |
| 22:09 | McQuaid | ah |
| 22:10 | Omnic | at work, I use an nvidia card for dual head... it sucks |
| 22:10 | McQuaid | well i'd like to have hardware overlay, opengl to be functional on both the monitor and tv and for that i read just simply activate tv out but then the monitor has to run at 60hz |
| 22:10 | McQuaid | so then i thought about randr and if i could switch from 85 to 60 on the fly for tv out |
| 22:11 | McQuaid | in the end, i'm confused about what option to use for tv out and myth |
| 22:12 | McQuaid | if i set up 2 x servers i've read only the first has hardware overlay so I'd think to make the tv the first, not sure what limitations that poses on the monitor being the 2nd connection |
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