| --- | Log | opened Wed Feb 11 00:00:47 2004 |
| 00:04 | Captain_Murdo | | anyone in here care to comment on the "Even If Empty" duplicate check method type? |
| 00:04 | Captain_Murdo | | debating whether to remove it. |
| 00:06 | --- | User: *** linagee_ is now known as linagee |
| 00:07 | rkulagow_ | c_m: here's what bruce wrote up for the user guide: |
| 00:07 | rkulagow_ | Even if Empty |
| 00:07 | rkulagow_ | |
| 00:07 | rkulagow_ | The scheduler will consider two showings to be duplicates if both |
| 00:07 | rkulagow_ | subtitles match and both descriptions are blank or if both |
| 00:07 | rkulagow_ | descriptions match and both subtitles are blank. This may work for |
| 00:07 | rkulagow_ | some titles, however, it is subject to the same problems as both the |
| 00:07 | rkulagow_ | "Subtitle" and "Description" methods. In most cases it may be safer to |
| 00:07 | rkulagow_ | choose the "Subtitle" or "Description" methods to avoid missing |
| 00:07 | rkulagow_ | episodes that you would have wanted to record. |
| 00:07 | rkulagow_ | i'm just wondering when it might be useful (if ever) |
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| 00:09 | Captain_Murdo | | rkulagow_: I've seen cases where it's useful but they are rare. I don't want to introduce any confusion so I'm thinking it's better to remove the option. |
| 00:10 | Captain_Murdo | | it never was in a release version, only CVS. |
| 00:10 | rkulagow_ | but bruce wrote so pretty! |
| 00:10 | Captain_Murdo | | and for less than a week if I remove it. :) yeah, but he's not too keen on it and I can see his viewpoint. I can agree that I'd rather delete a duplicate than risk missing for instance a CSI. :) |
| 00:11 | rkulagow_ | huh. i had no idea that jarod had a paypal link and had bought a pvr-350 with the proceeds. maybe i'll subliminal a paypal link into the howto :) |
| 00:12 | rkulagow_ | good for him though; it's helped a lot of folks. |
| 00:12 | Captain_Murdo | | if you read the left-most character on each line it's http://www.paypal.com/pay_rkugalow.asp |
| 00:12 | rkulagow_ | :) |
| 00:12 | Captain_Murdo | | you have M179 cards? |
| 00:13 | rkulagow_ | 3 of them; loaning one to a buddy who's having me build him a myth box in exchange for a snow thrower. chicago, you know? |
| 00:13 | Captain_Murdo | | flown through there many times in the snow. :) |
| 00:13 | rkulagow_ | don't your arms ice up? |
| 00:14 | Captain_Murdo | | the guy I've been emailing at AVerMedia is trying to get me one of their new M150 and M172 cards. |
| 00:14 | Captain_Murdo | | long johns. |
| 00:15 | rkulagow_ | cool. i could see them eating the cost of a few cards and some docs to get people to buy them. after the whole ebay $49 card thing i'm sure they're aware of mythtv. |
| 00:15 | Captain_Murdo | | yeah, I even had one of their guys email me asking how to get the M179 working with ivtv. |
| 00:16 | Captain_Murdo | | was in the embedded Linux group or something. |
| 00:17 | rkulagow_ | right, i think i remember you mentioning that. also, get them to stop selling their "AverMedia 350" card. brilliant marketing strategy... |
| 00:17 | Captain_Murdo | | mythcommflag doing 230fps in blank frame detection mode with --hogcpu. |
| 00:17 | Captain_Murdo | | yeah, I saw those when I picked up my M179-s on newegg I think. |
| 00:18 | rkulagow_ | c_m: sweet. what proc? i get 85fps running blank+scene on a celeron 2.4 --hogcpu |
| 00:19 | Captain_Murdo | | Athlon 1.3Ghz. I added an fps display on it recently that computes/displays fps every 50 frames. |
| 00:19 | Captain_Murdo | | going to test to see how accurate that new scene change patch is but making sure it didn't break blank frame first. |
| 00:20 | rkulagow_ | c_m: i noticed that. is blank+scene that much slower? i'd figure that a Celeron 2.4Ghz is a bunch faster than a A 1.3Ghz. |
| 00:21 | Captain_Murdo | | I'll test blank-scene after this. want to compare the methods to see if his method is any better. if it is then I might chunk the old scene-change sometime. |
| 00:23 | Captain_Murdo | | scene by itself is only doing 171 |
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| 00:31 | thor__ | RE: [mythtv-users] Spilt Myth mailing list? --> And one mailing lists for posts for this thread. |
| 00:31 | thor__ | that's hilarious |
| 00:33 | Captain_Murdo | | didn't you hear, we're converting the #mythtv channel to a list as well. |
| 00:33 | Captain_Murdo | | sorry, forum. |
| 00:33 | Captain_Murdo | | not as funny if I mess it up. |
| 00:34 | thor__ | myth-dev, myth-user, myth-pointlessdebatesaboutotherlistsandforums |
| 00:34 | rkulagow_ | myth-offtopic, myth-ivtv, myth-xmltv, myth-hardware, myth-lirc |
| 00:34 | rkulagow_ | and my favorite, myth-brokendistribution |
| 00:35 | thor__ | myth-grits, myth-natalieportman, myth-goatse |
| 00:35 | rkulagow_ | with the last hosted at .cx |
| 00:36 | rkulagow_ | myth-bigmacindex, myth-ppp |
| 00:37 | thor__ | myth-economicstutorials ... now _there's_ an idea for a paypal link |
| 00:39 | rkulagow_ | ok, thor. break down the economics of mythtv, and how the penetration rate of DVRs is either 1) going to drive all the networks out of business or 2) cause the end of the world. |
| 00:39 | rkulagow_ | in 50 words (or less). begin. |
| 00:39 | thor__ | ads in shows |
| 00:40 | thor__ | - the end |
| 00:40 | rkulagow_ | what, no british-style telly tax? |
| 00:40 | thor__ | heh, that would go over well |
| 00:41 | rkulagow_ | yes, with detector vans driving up and down the streets, triangulating. |
| 00:41 | | * Captain_Murd tests and found blank-frame+scene detection on test show better than blank-frame alone. |
| 00:42 | Chutt | i think the best new list would be myth-findisaacajob |
| 00:42 | rkulagow_ | hey, i thought it was only going to take all of 12 minutes! |
| 00:42 | thor__ | and win a free copy of MythTV |
| 00:42 | Captain_Murdo | | first person to find Chutt a job can start their own forum. |
| 00:42 | rkulagow_ | ha |
| 00:42 | rkulagow_ | (hahahahah) |
| 00:43 | rkulagow_ | chutt: have you thought about consulting, or are you looking for full-time? i do consulting jobs every few months when we need some extra $. |
| 00:43 | | * Captain_Murd realizes that was just scene-change and not blank+scene. |
| 00:44 | Chutt | full-time |
| 00:44 | Chutt | would prefer, at least |
| 00:45 | Chutt | i haven't started looking at all yet, though |
| 00:45 | hadees | try india thats where they are all goning |
| 00:45 | thor__ | I just knew the 12 minutes clock hadn't started ticking |
| 00:45 | thor__ | minute |
| 00:48 | thor__ | I think I liked it better when everyone hated the Japanes |
| 00:48 | thor__ | e |
| 00:48 | Chutt | heh, you removed that extra .arg() |
| 00:48 | Chutt | i forgot about that |
| 00:48 | Captain_Murdo | | rkulagow_: appears I'm getting 171 still w/ blank+scene. this is on a 480x480 mpeg2 @ ~4000Kbit/sec. |
| 00:49 | thor__ | quite annoying |
| 00:49 | thor__ | what was that for ? |
| 00:49 | rkulagow_ | c_m: wonder why i'm only getting 85. weird. |
| 00:50 | rkulagow_ | is everything local, or are you using NFS or anything like that? |
| 00:50 | Captain_Murdo | | nfs mounted so not going through a backend. 100Mbit to the server. |
| 00:52 | Captain_Murdo | | 2.5Mbytes/sec according to size of file divided by # of seconds to process. |
| 00:53 | Chutt | thor, what's your thoughts on that 'mythmusic reload database tags' patch? |
| 00:53 | thor__ | checking ... |
| 00:54 | Captain_Murdo | | rkulagow_: this is with --hogcpu also so no nice and no sleeping. |
| 00:55 | thor__ | holy friggin options |
| 00:55 | rkulagow_ | c_m: thanks for the data point. i guess it's only slow if it's not fast enough, and right now it is. :) |
| 00:55 | thor__ | filesystem that does not support modification times. <-- do such things exist ? |
| 00:55 | Chutt | thor, i don't like how it's a combo box |
| 00:56 | Chutt | those 4 options just don't seem like they're related, to me |
| 00:56 | thor__ | well, not exclusive |
| 00:56 | thor__ | all kind of a moot point soon :-) |
| 00:56 | Chutt | heh |
| 00:56 | Chutt | aye |
| 00:56 | thor__ | rewriting the music sweeper as we speak |
| 00:57 | thor__ | to use mythdigests |
| 00:57 | thor__ | but I rely on modification times |
| 00:57 | Chutt | if mod time is newer than in db, calc md5, compare? |
| 00:58 | thor__ | more or less |
| 00:58 | Chutt | good enough for me |
| 00:59 | thor__ | are there really filesystems that don't give mod times (last access times I can understand, but no timestamps ?) |
| 00:59 | Chutt | probably, but why support em? |
| 00:59 | Chutt | just like i ignore people that complain when they insist on using a fat32 partition to try to record video files to |
| 01:00 | thor__ | heh, my mouse pointer doesn't work and music won't read my original demo files on my C-64 file system |
| 01:01 | rkulagow_ | poke 53280, 20 |
| 01:02 | rkulagow_ | poke 53281, 50 |
| 01:02 | thor__ | peek 53280 |
| 01:02 | thor__ | wow, it's 20 ! |
| 01:04 | rkulagow_ | sorry, forgot that 53280 and 81 only went to 15. |
| 01:04 | rkulagow_ | i think it would modulo if you went too high. |
| 01:05 | rkulagow_ | ach, it's liking having wordstar programmed into your fingers. some things are hard to get rid of. |
| 01:05 | Chutt | who wants to write a QTime replacement for the timer functions? |
| 01:05 | Chutt | =) |
| 01:06 | rkulagow_ | i think i need something better than this: |
| 01:06 | rkulagow_ | "A local frontend is one that runs on the same machine as a backend - a remote frontend is one that isn't." |
| 01:06 | thor__ | QTime start(), .... , elapsed() ? |
| 01:06 | Chutt | yeah |
| 01:06 | Chutt | apparently it has some issues |
| 01:07 | thor__ | really ? |
| 01:07 | thor__ | aside from daylight savings ? |
| 01:07 | Chutt | yeah |
| 01:07 | Chutt | someone posted some debugging on the -users list last week |
| 01:07 | Chutt | it sometimes thinks things are way off |
| 01:07 | thor__ | hmmm |
| 01:08 | Chutt | could be an old qt version, but i haven't seen any major changes from a quick perusal of 3.1, 3.2, and 3.3 |
| 01:21 | Captain_Murdo | | could it be screwed up by ntp? result is undefined if system clock changes between start and elapsed. |
| 01:21 | Chutt | hmm |
| 01:22 | Chutt | quite possibly |
| 01:22 | Chutt | if it goes negative, that'd fuck things up |
| 01:22 | thor__ | if the guys got ntp running on wild settings especially |
| 01:22 | thor__ | -g or whatever that is |
| 01:22 | Chutt | ah well |
| 01:22 | Chutt | he did say he was going to replace it |
| 01:22 | Chutt | so i'll let him |
| 01:23 | thor__ | delegation |
| 01:27 | Chutt | just like i'm hoping to get andrew mahone to finish that mmx optimization i started =) |
| 01:29 | rkulagow_ | just like i got captain_murdoch to finish that commercial skipping i started :) |
| 01:29 | thor__ | just like ... hmmm ... wait a second |
| 01:29 | thor__ | oh crap, I'm a minion |
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| 01:30 | Chutt | hah |
| 01:30 | Captain_Murdo | | that alternate scene change patch isn't doing so hot right now. didn't find anything first time I ran it, inserting debug statements to see what's going on now. |
| 01:31 | thor__ | get kulagow to fix it |
| 01:31 | rkulagow_ | thor: thanks. :) |
| 01:31 | vuud | Can someone tell me how Mythtv determines duplicates? I noticed on some programs it will and on some it does not (same program descriptions also). |
| 01:32 | rkulagow_ | ok, uh, got to go.. uh, baby is awake. bbl. |
| 01:32 | Captain_Murdo | | thor, :) |
| 01:32 | | * thor__ is trying to wake up his daughter |
| 01:32 | Captain_Murdo | | vuud: default is same exact subtitle & description. if you think it's messing up, look at the DB entries for both programs in question. |
| 01:33 | Captain_Murdo | | you can change dup detection method though |
| 01:33 | Captain_Murdo | | read on the mailing lists for more info on the diferent methods. |
| 01:33 | vuud | Captain_Murdoch, okay - thanks |
| 01:35 | rkulagow_ | c_m: but isn't the new dup stuff only in CVS? vuud: what version of mythtv are you running? |
| 01:36 | Chutt | doesn't everyone run cvs? =) |
| 01:39 | Chutt | hrmph |
| 01:39 | Chutt | the msn web crawler has been pounding mythtv.org |
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| 01:40 | thor__ | that sweet little butterfly ? |
| 01:40 | rkulagow_ | mydoom.d ? |
| 01:40 | Chutt | no, their search engine crawler |
| 01:40 | thor__ | robots.txt --> go away msn |
| 01:40 | Chutt | 160MB in 27k hits to the site this month |
| 01:41 | Chutt | #1 ip visitor to the site |
| 01:41 | rkulagow_ | chutt: right, i know. just figured they're getting back at you since "ultimatetv" was the sux0r. |
| 01:41 | Chutt | heh |
| 01:41 | thor__ | it's their "we're better than google" algorithms gone haywire probably |
| 01:41 | Captain_Murdo | | rkulagow_: yeah, only in cvs. |
| 01:41 | Chutt | heh |
| 01:42 | Captain_Murdo | | it's an attempted DOS attack on competition to MCE. |
| 01:42 | Chutt | too bad that google's directed 34k referrals to the site, and msn's done 156 |
| 01:42 | rkulagow_ | chutt: docs sync please. |
| 01:42 | Chutt | sure thing |
| 01:42 | thor__ | that's truly bizarre |
| 01:43 | Chutt | rkulagow, done |
| 01:45 | | * Captain_Murd wonders how long Ameritrade will keep his account with a negative balance before they liquidate his only stock. |
| 01:45 | rkulagow_ | chutt: thanks. |
| 01:46 | thor__ | heh, I have an eTrade account I opened just so I could buy some eToys when they were at 3 cents because I wanted copies of the certificates |
| 01:46 | rkulagow_ | did i miss an update to keys.txt on the "recording views" option? it's handy, but there doesn't seem to be a way to move a group (like 10 episodes of "The Nanny") out of default into a different one? |
| 01:47 | Chutt | yeah, captain_murdoch went all changing keybindings on me without discussing it first :p |
| 01:47 | rkulagow_ | naughty, naughty. |
| 01:47 | thor__ | see configurable key binding changes and mythmusic |
| 01:47 | vuud | rkulagow_, sorry was off rebooting my myth box... regarding the duplicate issue, I am running 0.14 of mythtv |
| 01:47 | Chutt | thor, bah, those made sense =) |
| 01:48 | Chutt | everything works perfectly on my grey hauppague remote |
| 01:48 | thor__ | heh |
| 01:48 | vuud | How far out does it mark duplicates (looking into the future)? |
| 01:48 | Chutt | vuud, as far as it has data |
| 01:48 | rkulagow_ | depends on how much guide data you have. |
| 01:49 | vuud | vuud, so tomorrows duplicates should be marked then... dang |
| 01:49 | | * Captain_Murd thought M and I did different things in different places so why not keep them separate in playbackbox. :) |
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| 01:49 | vuud | Chutt, I hate you... Actually I just hate my grey hauppauge remote |
| 01:49 | Chutt | really? |
| 01:49 | Chutt | mine works well enough |
| 01:50 | thor__ | mine works fine now .... but I spent a week with no left or right key |
| 01:50 | vuud | Chutt, yeah. I spent a day trying to get it working - can't get the remote to be reieved by the machine |
| 01:50 | Captain_Murdo | | actually I didn't remember M working on playbackbox until recently. I was thinking 'M-enu'. |
| 01:50 | | * Captain_Murd chastises himself. |
| 01:51 | vuud | Chutt, anyway - my OSD sucks so bad I have a monitor still attached to the box... so I have not felt the pain of it yet |
| 01:51 | Chutt | yeah, but the other thing was a menu too :p |
| 01:51 | Chutt | i haven't decided how best to make things work yet |
| 01:51 | Captain_Murdo | | really 2 different things. M is global menu type stuff, I is program specific. |
| 01:51 | Chutt | wrt the i/m stuff on that screen |
| 01:51 | Chutt | yeah, i dunno |
| 01:51 | o_cee | Chutt: sorry bout those mails, my smtp server clearly said they didn't get send :) |
| 01:52 | Chutt | that's allright |
| 01:52 | Chutt | i'll get em applied tomorrow |
| 01:52 | o_cee | great |
| 01:54 | | * Captain_Murd wonders how people think he's sending out the mydoom virus when he doesn't have a windows box in the house. |
| 01:56 | o_cee | Captain_Murdoch: change recording group popup looks odd here, first inch or so gets darkened, the rest not |
| 01:56 | o_cee | but i have to run off to class. ttyl |
| 01:56 | Captain_Murdo | | same here sometimes. |
| 01:57 | Captain_Murdo | | thought that was my crappy video card. |
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| 02:03 | vuud | Hey is there a way to record into myth from a different video source? Not tv... for example, the S-VHS input from my camcorder? |
| 02:03 | vuud | I can find it as an Input |
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| 02:20 | dopez | to melt isnt that bad |
| 02:22 | dopez | go be in drunk is better tho.. |
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| 02:37 | rkulagow_ | c_m: still here? |
| 02:38 | Captain_Murdo | | yeah |
| 02:38 | rkulagow_ | another cutlist thing. ready? |
| 02:38 | Captain_Murdo | | sure |
| 02:40 | Chutt | can i call someone 'utterly moronic' on the -users list? |
| 02:40 | Captain_Murdo | | as long as you put it in quotes. |
| 02:41 | Chutt | quotes won't make sense |
| 02:42 | Chutt | the webmin response to mine |
| 02:42 | Captain_Murdo | | I'd do it, but then I've been told by quite a few people that I should keep my mouth shut sometimes, like the time I told my boss she must be smoking better dope than her boss if she thought we were going to finish a project on time. |
| 02:43 | Captain_Murdo | | don't have that yet here. |
| 02:43 | Chutt | i don't understand, really |
| 02:43 | rkulagow_ | ok, go to edit mode, pull in the skip list. go to 1 minute into the program, set a "delete before this frame" mark. tweak the rest of the cutlist, trimming as required. put the marker back to the very very beginning of the program. exit edit mode. program begins to play, doesn't skip forward automatically. hit "z". frontend skips forward 9 minutes to first commercial. hit q (twice). first jumps back the one or two seconds (expe |
| 02:43 | Chutt | X is a couple MB |
| 02:43 | Chutt | recorded tv shows are several GB |
| 02:44 | Chutt | how does it make sense to not install the xlibs and export the display to another machine? |
| 02:44 | Captain_Murdo | | kinda the same thing with the people complaining about archiving messages locally when they record video. |
| 02:44 | rkulagow_ | c_m: make sense? |
| 02:44 | Captain_Murdo | | thinking it through. |
| 02:45 | Captain_Murdo | | missed something at the end of that? |
| 02:45 | rkulagow_ | the second jumps back the end of the one minute marker that was set at the beginning. |
| 02:46 | Captain_Murdo | | so it's not skipping automatically if you're inside a cut section at the beginning of the video? |
| 02:46 | rkulagow_ | correct |
| 02:47 | Captain_Murdo | | may be a sideeffect of fixing the other problem. |
| 02:47 | Chutt | heh |
| 02:48 | Captain_Murdo | | I think I might know what that is. |
| 02:49 | rkulagow_ | chutt: instead of "utterly moronic", you could just say "hey, it's open source. do it if you want, but don't expect me to include it in the release.". ben bucksch had a text mode config program, don't know if he was keeping it up to date though. |
| 02:49 | Chutt | that's true |
| 02:49 | Chutt | i didn't say 'utterly moronic', though |
| 02:50 | Chutt | i asked him to explain how saving a few megs installing the x libs makes sense in light of the fact that he's recording hugeass videos |
| 02:52 | rkulagow_ | chutt: well, some people are just like that, i guess. i can see the utility though; especially if you're a web-centric type of person how it might be easier to do things with a browser. i know mythweb makes _some_ things easier. anyway, it's his itch, let him scratch it if he wants. |
| 02:52 | Chutt | i'm not going to stop him, i'm just saying it doesn't make any sense whatsoever |
| 02:56 | Captain_Murdo | | rkulagow_: can you goto this url and back out the 2nd change in setDeleteIter(). I wonder if the first change at the top is what fixed it and the 2nd change at the bottom actually broke this. cvs url is http://cvs.mythtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mythtv/libs/libmythtv/NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp?r1=1.324&r2=1.325&diff_format=l |
| 02:56 | rkulagow_ | c_m: ok, but i've got to hit the sack. i'll compile tonight and test in the morning. |
| 02:57 | Captain_Murdo | | ok. I might test it myself if I get a chance in a few. |
| 02:58 | Chutt | probably the else |
| 02:58 | rkulagow_ | c_m: based on what chutt just said, what now? |
| 02:59 | Chutt | 'course, i know nothing about that code |
| 02:59 | Chutt | so, you don't have to take _my_ word for it =) |
| 02:59 | Chutt | o/~ it's in a book, reading rainbo-o-o-o-w o/~ |
| 02:59 | rkulagow_ | chutt, are you drunk _again_? |
| 02:59 | rkulagow_ | :) |
| 02:59 | Chutt | heh |
| 03:00 | Chutt | naw, bored |
| 03:00 | Chutt | waiting for a file to transfer from work's colo to the office cluster |
| 03:00 | rkulagow_ | go watch some TV then. |
| 03:00 | Chutt | tv? |
| 03:00 | Chutt | what's that? |
| 03:00 | Chutt | i'm reading a book, actually |
| 03:00 | Captain_Murdo | | well, it actually should be always backing up 1 deleteiter after the loop if it can. then if that's a 0 it should go forward. I think that code may have been correct to begin and the real problem was in StartPlaying() |
| 03:00 | rkulagow_ | you know, the thing connected to your home media convergence software. |
| 03:00 | Chutt | oh, i'm supposed to _use_ mythtv? |
| 03:01 | Captain_Murdo | | purpose of using it is to find more bugs and features to add. |
| 03:01 | Chutt | ah |
| 03:01 | Captain_Murdo | | add features, remove bugs that is.. :) |
| 03:01 | Chutt | i don't mind adding bugs |
| 03:01 | Captain_Murdo | | those are easy |
| 03:01 | rkulagow_ | c_m: sorry, have to go to bed. haven't made any changes yet. i'll catch up to you in the morning... thanks. |
| 03:02 | Captain_Murdo | | rkulagow_: I'll test in a minute or two. I think I'm about to yank this alternate scene stuff back out of my tree. it isn't working worth beans for me. too much to tune I think. |
| 03:03 | rkulagow_ | ick. i think i'm going to hate docbook. doesn't look like linuxdoc will do graphics, so i have to move to a bigger hammer for the user guide. |
| 03:03 | Chutt | rkulagow, lemme know if you need/want help with that |
| 03:03 | rkulagow_ | maybe i'll just use openoffice. |
| 03:04 | rkulagow_ | chutt: i had someone offer, so i said, "sure, get screenshots". haven't heard back... |
| 03:04 | Captain_Murdo | | when I put up links to docs on websites at work I put up an openoffice file (with the size listed) then an alternate link to a word doc (with the size). :) |
| 03:04 | Chutt | heh |
| 03:04 | Captain_Murdo | | 34k vs 8M |
| 03:04 | Captain_Murdo | | etc. |
| 03:05 | Chutt | heh |
| 03:05 | Captain_Murdo | | people used to complain about the slow 10Mbit network at the office and I'd tell them, "think about that 2Meg word file you keep saving. That takes 2 seconds at max theoretical speed to save. |
| 03:06 | Chutt | i shoulda just compressed this damn .wav file |
| 03:07 | Captain_Murdo | | I should setup some sample videos from here and tell Liam that when he can get his alternate scene change stuff working on those as well as his I'll commit it. :) |
| 03:14 | Chutt | 40 minutes left, then i can start analyzing stuff |
| 03:14 | Chutt | yay for working all night long |
| 03:19 | pigeon | hmm, in the profile group, how does the "software encoders" related to the "transcoders"? |
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| 03:19 | pigeon | i'm getting confused... |
| 03:20 | Chutt | means it's the profile that'd be used for any software encoded video |
| 03:20 | pigeon | hmm |
| 03:20 | pigeon | the "transcoders" profile is used for when you transcode with "x" or automatic transcode? |
| 03:21 | Chutt | err |
| 03:21 | Chutt | no |
| 03:21 | Chutt | i thought you were meaning something else |
| 03:21 | Chutt | the stuff in the transcoders profile group is what's used for transcoding, always. |
| 03:22 | pigeon | hmm |
| 03:22 | pigeon | the funny thing is in the profile setting there's the check box for "automaitcally transcode after recording" |
| 03:25 | pigeon | and then it has "RTjpeg/MPEG4" and "MPEG2" |
| 03:26 | Chutt | and? |
| 03:26 | pigeon | but then which one will be used? and when? |
| 03:26 | Chutt | err |
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| 03:27 | Chutt | the rtjpeg/mpeg4 profile will be used when you're transcoding from rtjpeg or mpeg4 |
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| 03:27 | Chutt | and the mpeg2 profile will be used when you're transcoding from mpeg2 |
| 03:27 | pigeon | cos in the software encoder profiles, you only get MPEG4 and RTjpeg |
| 03:27 | pigeon | hmm |
| 03:27 | Chutt | because those are the only things you can encode to in software? |
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| 03:36 | pigeon | hmm, so, in theory, my Transcoders->MPEG2 should never be used? |
| 03:37 | pigeon | as I'm not using a card that does hardware mpeg2 like those pvr |
| 03:37 | Chutt | right |
| 03:38 | pigeon | ok, i think i get a little bit more now :) |
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| 03:40 | pigeon | thanks Chutt |
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| 06:37 | o_cee | you guys still awake? |
| 06:48 | dja | some of us just got up :-) |
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| 07:04 | o_cee | heh :) 1am here now |
| 07:04 | o_cee | done reading scrollback now ;) |
| 07:13 | dja | ditto -- it only took ~25 minutes...(I'm a slow reader :-) |
| 07:14 | o_cee | :) |
| 07:14 | o_cee | i'll actually get my 350 going now and see how well it works.. haven't tried it in a while |
| 07:14 | o_cee | or what do you think? |
| 07:14 | o_cee | the alternative is to make coffee.. decisions decisions.. |
| 07:14 | dja | personally I'd make coffee...:-) |
| 07:15 | o_cee | or maybe make a bootsplash with gant |
| 07:15 | dja | that'd be cool :-) |
| 07:15 | o_cee | i think i've got one half-made here somewhere |
| 07:15 | dja | I hope c_m didn't remove the duplicate check option he mentioned earlier this morning....I use it |
| 07:16 | o_cee | i think he will |
| 07:16 | dja | ack...I wonder why...it's quite usefull for me... |
| 07:19 | dja | I'm assuming bjm is c_m (just read bjm's comment to my question about the one of the delete buttons :-) |
| 07:19 | dja | oops, nm -- I see that he's not. |
| 07:19 | o_cee | bjm is not c_m, Captain_Murdoch is Chris Pinkham |
| 07:20 | o_cee | :) |
| 07:20 | o_cee | talking to himself in that case, hehhe |
| 07:20 | dja | gotcha...do you know what stupid thing I've done? Bruce used my posting as an example as to why the option should be removed.. |
| 07:20 | o_cee | haha |
| 07:20 | dja | :) |
| 07:22 | o_cee | trekotor.se/mythtv/bootsplash.jpg does that look hideous? did that one now.. took like 2 minutes so :) |
| 07:22 | dja | it's much better than my current one (I'm using FC1 :) |
| 07:23 | o_cee | ah well, don't have time for it at the moment.. will finnish it up eventuelly |
| 07:23 | o_cee | just remembered i never see it |
| 07:23 | o_cee | :) |
| 07:23 | dja | :) |
| 08:16 | o_cee | took about 5 seconds before ivtv hung in the epg :) awh well |
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| 08:19 | Slaytanic | Some known issue? |
| 08:21 | o_cee | known issue.. dma/irq whatever |
| 08:21 | o_cee | no-one have been able to figure it out yet :/ |
| 08:21 | Slaytanic | So IVTV hangs when the EPG is displayed? |
| 08:22 | o_cee | when using the 350 tvout, yeah |
| 08:22 | o_cee | (but it only seems to happen on faster machines) |
| 08:22 | Slaytanic | Weird... |
| 08:22 | o_cee | some race condition |
| 08:23 | Slaytanic | I'm getting a long VGA cable tomorrow (gonna hook it up to my projector), I was planning to use the PVR 350 output for my TV after I've set the proj up... Hope I won't experience that problem you just mentioned... |
| 08:28 | o_cee | what cpu have you got? |
| 08:28 | mikegrb | a metal one |
| 08:28 | o_cee | huh? |
| 08:29 | o_cee | :) |
| 08:29 | mikegrb | ;) |
| 08:29 | o_cee | thougt it was Slaytanic who wrote it, hehe |
| 08:29 | mikegrb | oh heh |
| 08:34 | Slaytanic | Celeron 2.0 Ghz |
| 08:34 | o_cee | then you'll probably be in trouble |
| 08:34 | Slaytanic | Damn |
| 08:34 | Slaytanic | So it's a problem with the ivtv module? |
| 08:36 | o_cee | yes |
| 08:37 | Slaytanic | Too bad... |
| 08:37 | o_cee | yepp |
| 08:38 | o_cee | follow ivtv-devel mailinglist for progress.. |
| 08:38 | Slaytanic | Will do... |
| 08:38 | josephk | fast machines?...I thought it was on slow machines...lol |
| 08:39 | o_cee | josephk: nope, other way around.. epia users don't see the problem |
| 08:39 | o_cee | (like Chutt) :) |
| 08:39 | josephk | well I saw the problem on a bx2 |
| 08:39 | josephk | 500/100 |
| 08:39 | o_cee | :/ |
| 08:40 | josephk | not on an apollo pro 133 800/133 |
| 08:40 | o_cee | it's just a theory |
| 08:40 | josephk | yeah I know...I had the opposite |
| 08:40 | josephk | heheh |
| 08:40 | o_cee | Chutt: you sneeked in a commit without writing about it! i saw it! muhahahha :) |
| 08:40 | o_cee | thanks btw ;) |
| 08:41 | josephk | actually I thought tmk told me it was slower machines that don't have a problem, but it may be more related to the amount of dma traffic it can handle |
| 08:41 | josephk | don't = do |
| 08:46 | o_cee | stupid cvs, can't merge |
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| 09:46 | o_cee | Chutt: the changes to setup took care of the menu, but not the rest :/ still in english |
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| 10:20 | dja | o_cee: just replied to your -dev posting -- I think you need some type of visual indicator that there are more options available... |
| 10:24 | pahli_bar | i agree with that. |
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| 10:24 | pahli_bar | i'm not really sure why we really need wrapping in the menus. the number of menuitems is not very large |
| 10:31 | o_cee | it didn't feel right at all imo |
| 10:32 | o_cee | maybe it would work better if the curpos is always in the middle like he also suggested.. dunno |
| 10:32 | o_cee | problem is that the indication of more items needs to be both top and bottom now.. |
| 10:32 | o_cee | laundry time |
| 10:35 | dja | I like the wrapping, but I'm not a good judge of good/bad UI's. :-) |
| 10:36 | pahli_bar | it's a mere matter of taste. but wrapping menus can be confusing, unless you have uniformity everywhere in myth with respect to that |
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| 10:56 | racer | pahli, how are things going with mythmusic? |
| 10:58 | pahli_bar | racer: busy with real life. no progress :( |
| 11:00 | racer | :) yeah real life goes on! |
| 11:02 | Slaytanic | pahli_bar: Is setting the default repeat mode in preferences a planned feature? |
| 11:02 | racer | But isn't it so when MFD comes into action that mythmusic will change anyway? |
| 11:02 | thor__ | yup |
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| 11:03 | pahli_bar | Slaytanic: i'm just working (hehe) on a the music selection screen. |
| 11:03 | pahli_bar | s/a// |
| 11:04 | Slaytanic | Cool! Has anyone suggested a choice or button on the selection menu to clear the selection? (If it doesn't exist already, I haven't seen it anyway.) It's kinda annoying to have to uncheck the last played album/song every time one wants to play some music... |
| 11:05 | thor__ | Hit enter/yes/pause on All Music twice |
| 11:05 | thor__ | enter/space/return |
| 11:05 | Slaytanic | Ah, of course. A work-around. :) |
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| 11:16 | | * pahli_bar is very happy after increasing his font size to 16 |
| 11:16 | Slaytanic | Ah, the simple things is life... :) |
| 11:17 | pahli_bar | much easier to code with console font BIG |
| 11:18 | thor__ | fixed width font is also highly reccomended :-) |
| 11:18 | pahli_bar | heh. perfect recipe for getting glasses soon |
| 11:18 | pahli_bar | i use bitstream mono in an xterm at size 16 and run emacs in it. looks beautiful |
| 11:19 | thor__ | ewww, emacs |
| 11:19 | pahli_bar | thor__: notepad? :) |
| 11:19 | thor__ | khexedit |
| 11:19 | thor__ | skip the source |
| 11:19 | pahli_bar | lol |
| 11:19 | pahli_bar | i don't i can survive without emacs |
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| 11:20 | pahli_bar | never found a better editor which does auto-indenting |
| 11:20 | thor__ | joe |
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| 11:20 | thor__ | :-) |
| 11:21 | thor__ | Ctrl-K is your friend |
| 11:21 | kuhndog | is anyone here an admin for mythtv.org? |
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| 11:22 | kvandivo | why do you ask? |
| 11:22 | kuhndog | i registered mythtv.info |
| 11:23 | kuhndog | i would like to borrow some content/images |
| 11:23 | kuhndog | i hope to make a nice site to pull together all the howtos and tweaks |
| 11:24 | o_cee | riiiight, wouldn't it be better to contribute to the documentation instead:) hehe |
| 11:25 | kuhndog | no one reads docs.. you know that |
| 11:26 | kuhndog | just trying to create a nice community site.. |
| 11:26 | o_cee | uhm, right. |
| 11:26 | pahli_bar | kuhndog: wiki based? |
| 11:26 | kuhndog | lots of down and dirty howtos spread out all over the place |
| 11:26 | o_cee | kuhndog: you just said noone reads those? hmm |
| 11:27 | kuhndog | just kidding |
| 11:27 | kuhndog | no i help develop/admin the CMS e107.org |
| 11:27 | kuhndog | it will be run using it |
| 11:30 | thor__ | kuhndog, you probably want to talk to Chutt when he shows up |
| 11:30 | kuhndog | thx.. all i really want todo is borrow the logo |
| 11:31 | pahli_bar | right click. download? |
| 11:31 | kuhndog | not going to use it without permission |
| 11:31 | thor__ | don't think anyone is going to enfore copyright on the logo, but you might want to ask him what he thinks of a .info |
| 11:31 | thor__ | enforce |
| 11:32 | pahli_bar | heh. i don't think Chutt is going to chase you for using the logo |
| 11:32 | kvandivo | regardless, it is noble that kuhndog at least wants to ask.. |
| 11:32 | kuhndog | i'll ask all the authors of anything i post for permission |
| 11:32 | kuhndog | i'm not that type of person |
| 11:32 | thor__ | heck, Michigan is practically Canada |
| 11:32 | pahli_bar | the logo can do with some improvements. |
| 11:33 | kuhndog | using his logo might make it seem offical.. and if they want no part in it.. then i surely wont use it |
| 11:35 | pahli_bar | there was some recent discussions in the user ML regarding a separate forum and stuff like that. you might want to check it out |
| 11:35 | kuhndog | thats what sparked the idea |
| 11:35 | kuhndog | that and all the really nice howtos posted on user webspace.. a central location would be nice |
| 11:35 | thor__ | just don't include the phrases "Chutt, what do you think" and "like a forum or wiki" in the same sentence |
| 11:36 | pahli_bar | forum is the taboo word i believe |
| 11:36 | kuhndog | not trying to make a buck.. just trying to make it easy |
| 11:37 | thor__ | no, I think "wiki" is the really radioactive one |
| 11:37 | kuhndog | and hope to learn some stuff myself.. |
| 11:37 | kuhndog | like to setup a gallery eventually too |
| 11:38 | kuhndog | post your mythtv pics are popular on the ML |
| 11:38 | kvandivo | you can call it mythgallery |
| 11:38 | | * kvandivo snickers. |
| 11:38 | kuhndog | heh |
| 11:38 | kuhndog | anyways.. its a little ways off... i gotta setup the cms.. and ask for admins.. |
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| 12:43 | pahli_bar | uh oh... i smell c++ style flamewar |
| 12:44 | kvandivo | :) that's why they call it ++c |
| 12:45 | thor__ | c;; |
| 12:46 | thor__ | c++ with no friggin semicolons |
| 12:46 | pahli_bar | you mean c++-=; |
| 12:46 | kvandivo | that wouldn't compile.. |
| 12:46 | kvandivo | c;; would, however.. |
| 12:47 | thor__ | except in some versions of g++ |
| 12:47 | kvandivo | well, when you are using g++, all bets are off |
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| 12:52 | mdz | both of them would fail since c wasn't declared |
| 12:52 | thor__ | ah, it's always a global in c;; |
| 12:53 | thor__ | expands to: cout << "stop using friggin semicolons " << endl |
| 12:55 | o_cee | is it possible to add .htaccess stuff (creating password file) on a webserver without (?) ssh? |
| 12:55 | thor__ | yup |
| 12:55 | o_cee | how'd i do that |
| 12:55 | o_cee | create a password file here and upload it? |
| 12:55 | thor__ | or use command line there to create .htaccess |
| 12:56 | thor__ | but it's totally insecure |
| 12:56 | thor__ | since the "passwords" go back and forth in the clear |
| 12:56 | o_cee | right |
| 12:56 | mdz | thor__: what's wrong with semicolons? |
| 12:56 | o_cee | maybe i should do a php page instead |
| 12:56 | thor__ | they are evil |
| 12:56 | o_cee | thor__: you just forget them all the time :) |
| 12:56 | thor__ | that too |
| 12:56 | pahli_bar | actually i like semicolons. lets you break lines anywhere you want |
| 12:56 | mdz | the passwords don't have to be in the clear; you can use digest auth |
| 12:56 | mdz | but nobody does |
| 12:57 | pahli_bar | otherwise you will get frigging 200 column line codes |
| 12:57 | thor__ | but this is evil if(!true); { and it still executes } |
| 12:58 | o_cee | mdz: mmkay.. ah well, i actually emailed their support :) |
| 12:58 | pahli_bar | thor__: heh. agree. that kind of thing should not be allowed by c++ |
| 12:58 | thor__ | o_cee, misread your question |
| 12:58 | o_cee | oh |
| 12:58 | thor__ | saw ssh, though ssl |
| 12:59 | thor__ | thought |
| 12:59 | o_cee | ah :) |
| 12:59 | o_cee | but i'm sure i logged into them when i got the account info before.. very odd |
| 13:00 | mdz | thor__: you would only write an if statement like that if you'd been writing too many shell scripts :-P |
| 13:00 | thor__ | or you're not very bright |
| 13:04 | pahli_bar | or you want your app to hang |
| 13:04 | thor__ | or you take perverse delight in obfuscating things |
| 13:05 | thor__ | hmmm ... firebird's gone wonky |
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| 13:10 | o_cee | firebird? it's firefox now baby :) |
| 13:11 | o_cee | Chutt: hi? |
| 13:11 | thor_ | yeah, should probably change that |
| 13:11 | o_cee | yeah :) |
| 13:11 | o_cee | .8 baby |
| 13:11 | o_cee | new download manager is nice |
| 13:11 | o_cee | looks spiffy |
| 13:12 | o_cee | thor_: feeling adventeourous (sp?) :) |
| 13:12 | o_cee | oh damn forget it :) |
| 13:12 | o_cee | those lang updates aren't in cvs yet.. |
| 13:22 | mdz | o_cee: what lang updates? |
| 13:22 | o_cee | mdz: swedish |
| 13:22 | mdz | o_cee: did you send a patch? |
| 13:22 | o_cee | yeah |
| 13:22 | o_cee | but not for the .ts yet |
| 13:22 | o_cee | only the xml |
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| 13:30 | o_cee | STUPID ;'s |
| 13:31 | o_cee | php complaining about the wrong line.. bah |
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| 14:15 | kvandivo | we might need a -dev-offtopic list as well... |
| 14:17 | thor_ | I vote for myth-dev++, although some might argue for myth-++dev |
| 14:17 | | * kvandivo throws back his head and cackles with insane glee. |
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| 14:49 | Octane | anyone know off the top of their head whats this field: TitlePlayCommand |
| 14:49 | Octane | from settings table |
| 14:49 | thor_ | play a dvd title (track) |
| 14:49 | thor_ | as opposed to just playing "the whole" dvd |
| 14:49 | Octane | ahhh |
| 14:49 | thor_ | view button from rip dialog |
| 14:49 | Octane | what part of mythdvd accesses that? |
| 14:50 | Octane | ahh rip got it |
| 14:50 | Octane | thanks |
| 14:50 | thor_ | yup |
| 14:50 | Octane | did anyone here read my ode to mythtv? :) |
| 14:50 | thor_ | not quite iambic pentameter, but quite enjoyable |
| 14:50 | Octane | lol |
| 14:50 | Octane | not at all |
| 14:51 | Octane | i was drunk at 4am :D |
| 14:53 | thor_ | oh crap, QString ("%x").arg() only works up to 9 |
| 14:54 | Octane | whats that mean |
| 14:54 | Chutt | break it up, or use QString::sprintf |
| 14:54 | thor_ | am going to do query.prepare(), .bind(), .exec() |
| 14:54 | Chutt | that's even better =) |
| 14:54 | thor_ | :-) |
| 14:54 | Chutt | just be sure to use the 3.1 compatible query constructor |
| 14:55 | thor_ | ah |
| 14:55 | thor_ | ok |
| 14:55 | Octane | or just have octane code that part for u |
| 14:55 | o_cee | Chutt: you read my msg about ./setup? |
| 14:56 | o_cee | i saw your hidden commit ;) |
| 14:56 | Chutt | o_cee, yeah, but i'm busy |
| 14:56 | Chutt | hidden? |
| 14:56 | Chutt | that was part of the japanese patch. |
| 14:56 | o_cee | ah :) |
| 14:56 | o_cee | okay.. at least the menus work now |
| 14:56 | o_cee | tried looking at mythfrontend to figure out what's missing but didn't find it |
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| 15:23 | vuud | Hey all... typically how stable is the myth CVS code? By stable I mean is the codebase broken often (bugs are inherent on the bleeding edge I know) |
| 15:25 | Chutt | it's generally pretty stable |
| 15:25 | Chutt | if it's not, it'll be mentioned on the commits list |
| 15:26 | vuud | Okay, has the better duplicate management code made it in does anyone know off hand? |
| 15:27 | mdz | vuud: the implication is that if you are running CVS, you must be subscribed to -commits |
| 15:27 | kvandivo | the commit list would be the perfect place to find that out |
| 15:30 | vuud | mdz, yeah I know I have seen the documentation on that part - I am not running the CVS part - just debating on moving to it... I guess I'll go off and find a commit-list archive somewhere then thanks for the help and all |
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| 15:41 | vuud | It would be a great help to me personally if someone could tell me off hand if they remember improved duplicate tracking entries being added... I don't mind getting a RTFM, but the archives are NOT searchable, and the subjects and threads are all "mythtv commits" leaves me less appealing options to RTFM. Also, STFW yielded little on the current state of affairs... |
| 15:42 | kvandivo | i've discovered that you can download the gz/text file of the entire month and search it rather effectively on the commits. that's usually what i do if i've missed something or have a question |
| 15:42 | Snow-Man | Aren't all the lists searchable at gossermerthreads or whatever it is? |
| 15:42 | kvandivo | don't think commits is |
| 15:42 | Snow-Man | You might be able to get them to add it. |
| 15:43 | Chutt | snow-man, should i make a third list? |
| 15:43 | Snow-Man | Third list? For what? |
