| --- | Log | opened Mon Feb 09 00:00:49 2004 |
| 00:01 | | * Niqo 'll shut up btw, i'm really mostly lost... |
| 00:06 | Chutt | max|home, your bug 29778 is because people are compiling it in /usr |
| 00:06 | mdz | Chutt: I stared at the code and I disagree with gcc on that |
| 00:06 | mdz | the code it complained about was using 2 GP registers. even on i386 that's not all of them |
| 00:07 | Chutt | mdz, all the stuff he pulls in from memory at the end? |
| 00:07 | max|home | Chutt: err?? how are they compiling in /usr? lemme read that again. |
| 00:07 | Chutt | max|home, it's a qt 'feature' |
| 00:07 | mdz | max|home: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=180240 |
| 00:07 | Chutt | it creates a relative path (all those ../../../../) if compiled from /usr |
| 00:08 | mdz | Chutt: I'm mmx-ignorant...but I thought the mmx registers were separate from the normal regs, no? |
| 00:09 | Chutt | they overlay em |
| 00:09 | mdz | oh |
| 00:09 | Chutt | the fp registers, at least |
| 00:09 | mdz | I don't see the problem with that function though |
| 00:10 | mdz | even if that one inline asm statement clobbered all of the registers, it's not as if it needs them at that point= |
| 00:10 | Chutt | i dunno |
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| 00:12 | max|home | i don't get how the build starts in /usr -- unless /var/tmp is a link to /usr ??? |
| 00:12 | | * Omnic reads ScheduledRecording::findAllProgramsToRecord and cries |
| 00:12 | Omnic | that's a *nasty* sql query |
| 00:12 | Chutt | dunno =) |
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| 00:25 | Niqo | Omnic: I thoght that was a classical 'putting the load on the database' query.. |
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| 00:26 | Omnic | Niqo: yeah... |
| 00:26 | Omnic | Niqo: sadly, it's where I think I'd need to add the functionality of the option I want to add... it makes it difficult. :/ |
| 00:27 | Niqo | :Q |
| 00:28 | max|home | so I'm confused...is QMAKE_PROJECT_DEPTH=1 supposed to make the relative paths problem go away? |
| 00:37 | mdz | max|home: apparently. that's what the trolltech guy said, but there's no mention of that variable in any of the docs. I haven't checked the source to see what it actually does |
| 00:37 | mdz | Omnic: I take offense at your analysis of my query |
| 00:38 | mdz | there are other ways to write it, and they are all worse |
| 00:38 | max|home | mdz, ok...worth a try...I noticed a psi project change where they added it to the .pro file. |
| 00:39 | max|home | though they set their's to =0 |
| 00:39 | Chutt | i have no idea what that option will do |
| 00:39 | Niqo | Chutt: a short note one the increase in dvb_ stuff in capturecard; i intend to introduce a parameter that will rectify the situation somewhat.. |
| 00:39 | Chutt | or how it'll break things |
| 00:39 | Chutt | niqo, great |
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| 00:46 | mdz | I think QMAKE_PROJECT_DEPTH has a pretty good chance of breaking the entire build |
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| 00:47 | Omnic | mdz: heh... it's not too bad when you start playing... |
| 00:47 | Omnic | mdz: is something like "foo like table.string + '%'" legal? |
| 00:48 | Omnic | (is + the string concat in sql?)_ |
| 00:48 | mdz | Omnic: no, || |
| 00:48 | mdz | I don't know whether it's valid to use a concatenated string with LIKE |
| 00:48 | Omnic | ahh |
| 00:48 | Omnic | I think it is |
| 00:49 | Omnic | in db2 it is: |
| 00:49 | Omnic | o an expression concatenating any of the above |
| 00:49 | mdz | what are the above? |
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| 00:50 | Omnic | oh, nevermind.. yeah.. I misread. |
| 00:50 | Omnic | what I want, is to substring match on the start of record.title... |
| 00:50 | Omnic | well, ok, select anything that has record.title at the start of program.title |
| 00:51 | mdz | I don't know whether the rhs of LIKE can be an expression which is dependent on the column value |
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| 00:52 | mdz | even if it is, that sounds very slow |
| 00:52 | mdz | it would definitely have to do a full table scan |
| 00:53 | Omnic | hrm. |
| 00:53 | Omnic | indeed, but it does anyway... |
| 00:53 | Omnic | program.title = record.title does a full table scan |
| 00:54 | Omnic | on the record table, which is small. ok |
| 00:54 | Omnic | hrm |
| 00:54 | Omnic | I wonder... |
| 00:54 | mdz | not on the program table? I can't see how it wouldn't, if you're doing a substring se |
| 00:55 | mdz | maybe MATCH would be better than LIKE |
| 00:56 | Omnic | hmm... sticking the % in the field, and using LIKE instead of = works. |
| 00:56 | Omnic | evil though |
| 00:57 | Omnic | so, equality does a full table scan on the rhs, and LIKE is the lhs ? |
| 00:58 | Omnic | what's MATCH do? never used that |
| 01:02 | Omnic | mdz: sadly, there is no other way of implementing what I want to do, without pulling your sql query out into the C++ code... unless I use LIKE like this |
| 01:02 | Omnic | looking at MATCH, it won't work.. |
| 01:04 | Omnic | dammit, the more I think about this, the uglier it gets... once an entry to record is modified like this, it becomes pretty damned hard to delete. |
| 01:05 | Omnic | actually, it does... the returned data structure contains record.recordid, no? does it deleted scheduled recordings on that? |
| 01:05 | pigeon | anyone here using the grab_tv_au? |
| 01:06 | Omnic | indeed... |
| 01:06 | | * Omnic shuts up |
| 01:07 | Omnic | mdz: you're annoyingly non-discussive. |
| 01:07 | mdz | Omnic: that's a joke, right? I'm busy |
| 01:08 | Omnic | it was of sorts, but there is no reason you couldn't have told me that earlier :P no worries, I'll work on this myself, I think I have a method to my madness. |
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| 01:13 | livesN[box] | hey guys -- i got myth all setup with my pvr-350 card.. but I can't figure out what I do to get sound through it. |
| 01:13 | livesN[box] | anyone awake and have any help ? |
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| 01:17 | banyan | Here's the situation. I have an nvidia geforce4 ti4200, and I have my Sony TV connected to it with a DVI cable, and I have two issues. |
| 01:17 | banyan | Firstly, I only have 640x480 resolution. Secondly, there's a black border all round the TV picture. |
| 01:18 | mdz | Omnic: I didn't realize I was expected to report to you if I had any other plans :-P |
| 01:19 | banyan | So, should I be using the twinview setting? Or does use of the dvi output mean I should treat the TV like a monitor? |
| 01:19 | Niqo | livesN[box]: since you where unable to find the 'Here' link under http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInfo' I doubt you'll find anything here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/archive/MythTV_C2/Users_F11/ |
| 01:20 | Niqo | secondly: the subject is still about that #mythtv-users channel right? |
| 01:21 | Niqo | banyan: ^ |
| 01:21 | banyan | Whoops! Sorry. |
| 01:22 | banyan | Well, just a curious question: is it worth reloading my machine to go from red hat 9 to fedora? |
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| 01:23 | Niqo | suppose not, since apt-get (or what the heck) gives you it's sources |
| 01:24 | Omnic | mdz: heh.. I'm glad you have a sense of humour, unlike some. |
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| 01:26 | Niqo | like me, or? |
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| 02:08 | Omnic | Chutt: I'm trying to understand, buyt what does loadByProgram do? |
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| 02:46 | Dibblah | Just had an idea for duplicate detection - Why not just start recording the program (in cases where the subtitle is known not accurate) and compare closed captions / teletext subtitles? |
| 02:47 | Dibblah | (It'd need a fuzz-factor, but might be doable) |
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| 03:15 | Chutt | wouldn't be able to tell if it was a duplicate until after the recording had started, and therefore would be pretty useless for freeing up tuners for recordings. |
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| 03:59 | Dibblah | Agreed. But it would save disk space and annoyance factor. |
| 04:02 | Dibblah | Also, you could hack it around to miss out 'And now lets take a moment to talk about shop safety'. |
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| 04:43 | pigeon | hmm |
| 04:44 | pigeon | is that possible to get mythtv to offset the time by a little bit, like 5 or 10 minutes? |
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| 07:07 | pigeon | ok, mythweb settings still not saved after fixing up conf.php |
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| 09:06 | rkulagow | hrmm. seems like commit messages aren't getting sent? i made two commits to mythweb last night and they're not in my inbox yet. |
| 09:06 | thor__ | I think cvs is a bit wonky |
| 09:07 | thor__ | cvs itself is working, but web interface seems to be down |
| 09:17 | o_cee | ho ho |
| 09:17 | bline | ho |
| 09:18 | o_cee | thor__: the mfd stuff looked really nice, seems like it actually worked :D |
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| 09:21 | o_cee | FireFox, here we go :) |
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| 09:26 | bline | mfd does look pretty cool |
| 09:28 | o_cee | thor__: i can see a global music control popup thingie in myth before me :) |
| 09:29 | thor__ | heh |
| 09:31 | thor__ | o_cee, "global music control popup thingie" meaning http interface on 2345 ? |
| 09:31 | o_cee | withing myth |
| 09:31 | thor__ | ah, got you |
| 09:32 | o_cee | that'll be very cool :) |
| 09:32 | thor__ | powerful thing is that from within one pop up, you can control what's playing on any box on the network, and which content, anywhere on the network |
| 09:32 | o_cee | :] |
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| 10:25 | sweetboy | when trying to watch live tv i am getting the error "Error opening audio device (/dev/dsp): |
| 10:25 | sweetboy | /dev/dsp: No such device |
| 10:25 | sweetboy | but ALSA set up just find |
| 10:25 | sweetboy | err fine |
| 10:26 | Spida | afaik /dev/dsp isn't alsa |
| 10:26 | thor__ | unless you have alsa oss emulation installed |
| 10:26 | sweetboy | ok.. so what should i set my audio to in mythsetup then? |
| 10:27 | o_cee | you need to read the docs? hmm |
| 10:29 | sweetboy | hmmm... i did... must have missed something.. could you help anyhow? |
| 10:30 | o_cee | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-20.html#ss20.12 |
| 10:30 | o_cee | you need to install oss emulation or compile with alsa |
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| 10:55 | kuhndog | anyone know if using lm_sensors and ivtv is a bad idea? |
| 10:56 | kuhndog | lm_sensors can play up with some tv cards |
| 10:59 | rkulagow | chutt: here? |
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| 11:15 | sweetboy | ok read the doc and am looking for more information because i am still lost |
| 11:16 | sweetboy | i have ALSA installed |
| 11:16 | sweetboy | it works |
| 11:16 | sweetboy | i am loading the oss modules |
| 11:16 | sweetboy | in my modules.conf file |
| 11:17 | sweetboy | as far as i can tell i did everything and i mean everything correctly |
| 11:17 | thor__ | <o_cee> you need to install oss emulation or compile with alsa |
| 11:17 | sweetboy | it is installed thor |
| 11:18 | thor__ | what is ? |
| 11:18 | sweetboy | oss emulation |
| 11:18 | kvandivo | if you did everything, and you mean everything, correctly, it must be a bug in the compiler |
| 11:18 | kvandivo | there's no other plausible explanation |
| 11:18 | sweetboy | that is not what i am saying |
| 11:18 | thor__ | i am loading the oss modules <-- emulation ? |
| 11:19 | thor__ | or you just throwing oss modules on top of alsa modules ? |
| 11:19 | sweetboy | and <kvandivo> constructive assistance is welcome |
| 11:19 | kvandivo | :) |
| 11:21 | sweetboy | installed ALSA as the instructions called for, added the modules to the modules.conf file and tested. |
| 11:21 | sweetboy | it works |
| 11:21 | thor__ | define "it works" ? |
| 11:22 | sweetboy | /usr/bin/aplay /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Startup.wav |
| 11:22 | thor__ | so alsa utilities can find your device and make it do stuff |
| 11:22 | sweetboy | yes |
| 11:23 | thor__ | "installed ALSA" == built from source, or grabbed a package ? |
| 11:23 | sweetboy | apt-get |
| 11:23 | thor__ | ok, anyone who knows something about debian, what do you need to get ALSA oss emulation via apt-get ? |
| 11:24 | thor__ | sweetboy, "cat /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Startup.wav > /dev/dsp" ? |
| 11:24 | sweetboy | no such device |
| 11:25 | thor__ | so, no oss emulation |
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| 11:31 | Snappi | thor__, compile from source and set your flag to USE="oss" when compiling alsa I think |
| 11:32 | thor__ | if compiling ALSA from your source, you just need to build the alsa-oss-emulation tarball |
| 11:32 | thor__ | from source |
| 11:32 | thor__ | just don't know anything about debian |
| 11:33 | Snappi | me neither |
| 11:34 | Snappi | anyone know how I can set qt designer to use konqueror for help index? |
| 11:35 | Snappi | thor__, if u don't know debian isn't it better to switch distro? |
| 11:35 | Snappi | I can recommend a good distro if u want |
| 11:36 | thor__ | I think I'm ok, thanks |
| 11:37 | Snappi | np |
| 11:39 | kvandivo | you sure, thor? ;) |
| 11:39 | thor__ | I'll struggle through somehow |
| 11:40 | kvandivo | and you'll be a better man for it |
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| 12:10 | zardus | hello |
| 12:11 | zardus | does anyone know how to categorized SNES roms in mythgame? |
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| 12:15 | zardus | or, on that subject, does anyone know of any docs for mythgame at all? |
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| 13:07 | o_cee | my sql is rusty.. anyone know off hand how to move a column to the top (first that is) |
| 13:07 | o_cee | Chutt: this is a reminder to remind you of the thing i was supposed to remind you about today :) |
| 13:07 | thor__ | o_cee, row ? |
| 13:07 | o_cee | yeah |
| 13:08 | thor__ | uhm ... depends on the select call |
| 13:08 | thor__ | (I think) |
| 13:08 | o_cee | heh |
| 13:08 | o_cee | uhm |
| 13:08 | o_cee | i really need to read that sql book again.. haven't used it in a long time |
| 13:09 | o_cee | i'll just recreate the table :) |
| 13:09 | o_cee | trying to databa-ize a site |
| 13:09 | o_cee | with php |
| 13:10 | thor__ | if there's something that should always be coming off first, it should have an index that gets used in SELECT ... cause someone's gonna back up the table one day |
| 13:11 | thor__ | and restore it |
| 13:11 | thor__ | and SELECT * |
| 13:11 | thor__ | is gonna give a different result |
| 13:11 | thor__ | :-) |
| 13:12 | o_cee | yeah, i rearanged the id stuff.. but i'll start all over instead, easier |
| 13:12 | thor__ | heh |
| 13:13 | o_cee | this webhotel got a oooold version of phpmyadmin |
| 13:13 | o_cee | i'll email and ask em update it |
| 13:14 | o_cee | :) |
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| 13:27 | o_cee | damn, can't remeber the difference between primary and index.. |
| 13:34 | o_cee | ah right. but wtf is index.. hmm, reading on, both mysql and php got nice docs :) |
| 13:35 | thor__ | index is just a column that mysql knows how to look up quickly |
| 13:35 | thor__ | primary is ... uhm ... the fastest (?) ... dunno |
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| 14:02 | | Shadowdragon | does anyone here use suse? |
| 14:08 | deanrantala | heh.. does anyone here use Slack? |
| 14:10 | | Shadowdragon | dean |
| 14:10 | | Shadowdragon | we get no responce? |
| 14:11 | | Shadowdragon | well dean disk 1 is done |
| 14:11 | pahli_bar | guys... if its not a development related issue, then this is not the right channel. see topic |
| 14:11 | deanrantala | ahhh.. |
| 14:12 | deanrantala | my apologies |
| 14:12 | | Shadowdragon | ahh |
| 14:12 | | Shadowdragon | my also |
| 14:12 | deanrantala | well Shadow |
| 14:12 | deanrantala | shall we? |
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| 14:12 | | Shadowdragon | we shall |
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| 14:15 | lmatter | pahli_bar, how hard would it be to make mythgallery recurse subfolders? |
| 14:16 | pahli_bar | lmatter: recurse subfolders? |
| 14:17 | Chutt | pahli_bar, hey |
| 14:18 | | * pahli_bar hides as he didn't have time to do anything this weekend |
| 14:18 | Chutt | heh, no worries |
| 14:18 | Chutt | i didn't get any code done myself |
| 14:18 | Chutt | aside from a few tiny little things |
| 14:18 | pahli_bar | phew. :) |
| 14:19 | lmatter | pahli_bar, sorry, I mean with slideshows. I need to get to know the code sometime, I thought that might be a good one to start with. |
| 14:20 | o_cee | Chutt: reminder. |
| 14:20 | o_cee | :) |
| 14:20 | Chutt | o_cee, later |
| 14:20 | o_cee | yepp |
| 14:20 | Chutt | going to wash my car, since it's almost 40 outside |
| 14:20 | Chutt | get all the salt and crap off it =) |
| 14:20 | o_cee | what's that in C? |
| 14:20 | Chutt | slightly above freezing |
| 14:21 | pahli_bar | lmatter: ah... should not be to difficult. |
| 14:21 | o_cee | okay :) we've had a real nice day today with sun and a blue heaven |
| 14:21 | o_cee | pahli_bar: thought about the photoshop albums tags idea? |
| 14:21 | o_cee | and yeah, the car would really need a wash :) heheh |
| 14:22 | pahli_bar | o_cee: why only one app... there are so many apps out there |
| 14:23 | o_cee | pahli_bar: i meant the idea itself |
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| 14:24 | pahli_bar | o_cee: i don't see the use for it. the tags will be tiny and barely visible on the screen |
| 14:24 | o_cee | uhm. the idea is that you select by tags what you want in a slideshow |
| 14:24 | o_cee | all images with friends and golf for instance |
| 14:25 | o_cee | or only golf pictures, where you also get those images from scandinavian masters last year |
| 14:25 | pahli_bar | o_cee: better thing to do would be allow building playlists for images |
| 14:25 | o_cee | pahli_bar: tags feels more flexible |
| 14:25 | pahli_bar | o_cee: sure. but not easy to do tagging without a mouse |
| 14:26 | rkulagow | chutt: there don't seem to be any commit messages coming through? |
| 14:26 | pahli_bar | or to create new tags |
| 14:27 | o_cee | pahli_bar: alot of the settings done in advanced recording isn't easy either :) the new grouping stuff also makes it posible to add new groups (tags) by entering names directly.. with the new OS keyboard that was on the list right before .14 it would be easy |
| 14:27 | o_cee | OS as in on screen |
| 14:28 | pahli_bar | o_cee: its not substantially different from the mythremotelineedit |
| 14:28 | pahli_bar | which is a pain to use |
| 14:29 | o_cee | pahli_bar: that one is impossible to use, the new stuff looked good at least |
| 14:29 | o_cee | i don't see shit with the old one |
| 14:29 | o_cee | also, creating new tags won't be done that often |
| 14:30 | pahli_bar | o_cee: as i said better option is be able to create playlists (maybe even have mythweb bindings for it). |
| 14:31 | pahli_bar | then you can take the playlists and make mythmusic visualizations from it |
| 14:31 | pahli_bar | or stream it across the network when mfd has support for it |
| 14:33 | o_cee | well you're the one coding |
| 14:34 | o_cee | but i can't see how a static playlist can be considered better |
| 14:34 | pahli_bar | o_cee: playlists are never static (or atleast shouldn't be). you can always add/remove stuff from them |
| 14:35 | pahli_bar | o_cee: sorry. its a pain to do lot of stuff with a simple remote. many users would not use something which is difficult to use with low returns. and its better not to confuse users with too many options. |
| 14:36 | o_cee | building playlists with a remote isn't that nice either, and as you said this could be done with mythweb/mfd |
| 14:37 | pahli_bar | we should have better gallery (gallery.sf.net) support for mythgallery and that will let us do lot of stuff with a simpler/easy-to-use interface |
| 14:37 | o_cee | checking their site |
| 14:38 | o_cee | the way of just selecting a couple of tags appropriate for the audience you're showing the pictures for was a very slick way of making playlists on the run |
| 14:39 | pahli_bar | o_cee: and where do you create the tags? |
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| 14:39 | o_cee | pahli_bar: that's probably best done with mythweb |
| 14:40 | livesNbox | hey guys -- are there any tools to let you watch the .nuv's with any other viewer ? |
| 14:40 | o_cee | doesn't people ever read topics? |
| 14:40 | livesNbox | doesn't people.. heheh |
| 14:40 | pahli_bar | o_cee: that is the problem. whenever you have to offload responsibilities to mythweb, it might not be the best thing to do |
| 14:41 | pahli_bar | livesNbox: his english is way better than your swedish |
| 14:41 | pahli_bar | livesNbox: now read the topic and scoot |
| 14:41 | livesNbox | yeah but who speaks swedish, seriously. |
| 14:41 | o_cee | pahli_bar: of course it's possible to do from the gallery as well, just select the picture, get a popup, select what category. you can't say there aren't that kind of stuff other places in myth |
| 14:42 | livesNbox | pahli_bar: nah |
| 14:43 | pahli_bar | o_cee: maybe you will do it. but tell me seriously how many users will sit and tag each of their 1000+ photos in their collection. i won't |
| 14:44 | o_cee | pahli_bar: nah, that's one point.. but that's a completely different thing :) maybe tag a whole directory? |
| 14:45 | pahli_bar | o_cee: how is tagging a directory very different that collecting it in a separate subfolder |
| 14:46 | o_cee | pahli_bar: (meant tagging all images in a dir with this specific tag).. but you wouldn't _have_ to do it that way, right? |
| 14:47 | pahli_bar | o_cee: i dunno... propose the idea to the mailing lists and lets see how many want it |
| 14:47 | o_cee | could be intresting |
| 14:47 | o_cee | problem is of course the initial work |
| 14:47 | o_cee | but after that, it's easier.. |
| 14:48 | o_cee | importing images and select what tag(s) you want them to have.. |
| 14:48 | pahli_bar | the immediate things to do for mythgallery are 1) add digital camera support 2) add exif info support |
| 14:49 | kvandivo | rock on |
| 14:49 | o_cee | yepp, nice :) |
| 14:49 | o_cee | at least i'll use the exif stuff |
| 14:49 | kvandivo | not that i have a digital camera hooked up to the computer, nor do i have a digital camera that has exif support, but I have plans.. |
| 14:49 | kvandivo | probably shortly after PMA finishes i'll be getting a canon eos 300d |
| 14:50 | pahli_bar | kvandivo: the time is right. kodak has plans for stopping producing regular films or something like that |
| 14:50 | kvandivo | yep. my current digital camera is a 1 megapixel from 1999. i'm due. |
| 14:50 | pahli_bar | kvandivo: good choice |
| 14:50 | o_cee | kvandivo: i want one of those as well:) how much with the standard lens over there? |
| 14:51 | kvandivo | 999 |
| 14:51 | o_cee | oh my |
| 14:51 | o_cee | lemme check price here |
| 14:51 | pahli_bar | does it come with the lens. i thought its only the body |
| 14:51 | o_cee | for that price i'd get it right now |
| 14:51 | o_cee | there's both with and without |
| 14:51 | kvandivo | 899 for the body, 999 with the kit lens |
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| 14:51 | o_cee | it's a damn nice camera, friend of mine got the 10d |
| 14:51 | kvandivo | i've been doing a LOT of research lately |
| 14:52 | pahli_bar | hmmm.... not bad. i will either go for that or the nikon 5700 |
| 14:52 | o_cee | :) |
| 14:52 | pahli_bar | time to upgrade from the canon A70 |
| 14:52 | kvandivo | lot of difference between the two (considering one is SLR and one isn't) |
| 14:52 | o_cee | best price here for it is: 1 415,22 USD |
| 14:52 | kvandivo | i think you can find grey market ones for closer to $900 here. |
| 14:53 | pahli_bar | kvandivo: size is also important for me. i don't want to have a camera which i can't take everywhere |
| 14:53 | kvandivo | is the 5700 the new one? a guy here has a 5000 |
| 14:53 | kvandivo | the 5700 is to replace the 54, iirc |
| 14:53 | kvandivo | or something like that.. |
| 14:53 | pahli_bar | yeah. that was the latest one (last time i checked) |
| 14:54 | kvandivo | i'm thinking the 300d with some insane amount of cash spent on lenses, of course |
| 14:54 | kvandivo | the kit lens isn't supposed to be super super sharp, but the price is hard to beat |
| 14:54 | pahli_bar | holy crap. they have the 8700 now |
| 14:54 | pahli_bar | 8MP |
| 14:54 | | * pahli_bar drools |
| 14:55 | kvandivo | ya, but sensor size is (arguably) a lot more important than pixel count |
| 14:55 | pahli_bar | i don't care. anything above 4MP would last me a long time. |
| 14:56 | pahli_bar | always been a big fan of canon's though. |
| 14:56 | pahli_bar | love their lenses |
| 14:56 | kvandivo | never had either. i'm really liking the looks of canon's IS lenses, though |
| 14:56 | kvandivo | i need to find a local store here that stocks the 300d so that i can go play with it |
| 14:57 | kvandivo | there a camera store on green down by garcias that i was planning to check out |
| 14:58 | pahli_bar | bestbuy might have it |
| 14:58 | kvandivo | nope |
| 14:58 | kvandivo | checked.. |
| 14:58 | kvandivo | i asked, and i almost got the feeling they were laughing below their breath |
| 14:59 | pahli_bar | those jackasses know shit. |
| 14:59 | kvandivo | and barely that much |
| 14:59 | pahli_bar | hey if you are ever looking for a digital photo management app, remember to check out digikam (http://digikam.sf.net) |
| 14:59 | kvandivo | at any rate, once i get that, my next plan is to go ultra large and do the digital stitching.. http://www.tawbaware.com/maxlyons/index.html |
| 15:00 | | * pahli_bar is ashamed of his plug |
| 15:00 | kvandivo | does it output html pages suitable for web page viewing? |
| 15:00 | pahli_bar | yup. |
| 15:00 | kvandivo | Albums HTML export. |
| 15:01 | kvandivo | so what makes it better than all the other things out there that do the same thing? |
| 15:01 | pahli_bar | on linux? |
| 15:01 | kvandivo | ok.. that's something.. |
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| 15:02 | pahli_bar | even with other platforms... i'm sure we compete fairly well |
| 15:03 | kvandivo | xml is used for saving the comments.... are they inserted into the jpeg comment block? |
| 15:03 | pahli_bar | nope. |
| 15:03 | pahli_bar | who wants to mess with the images? |
| 15:04 | kvandivo | it's self contained. that's the nice thing about it. doesn't require additional files to have the metadata |
| 15:04 | kvandivo | there are some nice xml specs out there for describing pics.. who's in it, where it was, etc etc |
| 15:04 | pahli_bar | kvandivo: true. but not portable across image formats. risk of losing your image while editing comments. |
| 15:04 | kvandivo | yep. all true |
| 15:05 | pahli_bar | second is the biggest thing. users will kill me if anything like that happens |
| 15:05 | kvandivo | only once.. |
| 15:05 | pahli_bar | once is more than enough :) |
| 15:07 | kvandivo | The eos 300d is not in the list of supported cameras in digiKam. Can you add drivers for it? |
| 15:07 | | * kvandivo giggles softly to himself. |
| 15:08 | pahli_bar | kvandivo: it is. update your gphoto2 |
| 15:08 | o_cee | pahli_bar: question is if anyone got the time and energy to tag pictures. ah well, i still don't know :) |
| 15:09 | pahli_bar | kvandivo: but i do get the joke |
| 15:09 | kvandivo | :) |
| 15:10 | o_cee | wonder what it'd cost to order a 300d from the us and ship it here.. might need to pay customs and stuff to as well, +25% :/ |
| 15:10 | pahli_bar | should get back to work. bbl |
| 15:10 | o_cee | later |
| 15:11 | o_cee | app looks nice btw :) |
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| 16:26 | randall | Heya |
| 16:26 | randall | nevermind |
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| 16:28 | kvandivo | come back anytime |
| 16:28 | Rule | hehe |
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| 17:14 | o_cee | when doing 'SELECT * FROM..'.. is there any way to change the order i get the result in? (not a-z) |
| 17:15 | Omnic | ORDER Y |
| 17:15 | Omnic | er.. |
| 17:15 | Omnic | ORDER BY |
| 17:15 | Omnic | google for an SQL reference. |
| 17:15 | o_cee | checking |
| 17:15 | o_cee | mysql.com is great |
| 17:18 | o_cee | any way to change the 'internal' order of the rows? |
| 17:18 | o_cee | without ordering |
| 17:18 | Omnic | what do you mean? |
| 17:18 | Omnic | what 'internal order' ? |
| 17:18 | o_cee | so that select * returns them in the order i want |
| 17:18 | Omnic | no. |
| 17:19 | thor__ | o_cee, you still on that |
| 17:19 | o_cee | yeah :) this is the menu.. i want the menuitems to be in a specific order, but i don't want to hardcode it.. ah well |
| 17:19 | Omnic | o_cee: select into a data structure, then order them yourself in code or something. |
| 17:19 | o_cee | then i might just make it all manually |
| 17:19 | Omnic | what are you trying to order by? |
| 17:20 | o_cee | it's just the order i want the menu items to be in |
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| 17:20 | Omnic | yeah, *by* *what*? what in the database defines the order? |
| 17:20 | thor__ | if you want it to always come out in a given order, you need to have something to order by |
| 17:20 | o_cee | yeah, don't have that atm |
| 17:21 | Omnic | then you're sol :P |
| 17:21 | o_cee | :) |
| 17:21 | thor__ | SELECT foo FROM bar ORDER BY my_made_up_index ; |
| 17:21 | o_cee | let's add an index then :) |
| 17:21 | Omnic | hmm.. thor__ how many channels and days of programming to you have? |
| 17:21 | Omnic | e.g.: select count(*) from program; |
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| 17:22 | o_cee | 4371 :) |
| 17:22 | thor__ | 18936 |
| 17:22 | Omnic | thor__: sounds good... |
| 17:22 | thor__ | but that's a dev box |
| 17:23 | thor__ | that's never been properly configured |
| 17:23 | Omnic | run this query for me, and tell me what time you get for it... (last line) |
| 17:23 | Omnic | (hang on, have to throw it up on a page somewhere) |
| 17:23 | Omnic | http://www.ethernal.org/~mjb/bob.sql |
| 17:24 | Omnic | thor__: that's ok... there's some stuff in your record table, right? |
| 17:24 | thor__ | 75 rows in set (8.54 sec) |
| 17:24 | Omnic | ok... hmm |
| 17:25 | Omnic | ok... restart mysql (clear caches), then try bob2.sql at the same location |
| 17:26 | o_cee | you want me to do it too? |
| 17:26 | Omnic | if you want. |
| 17:26 | o_cee | hold on |
| 17:27 | o_cee | uhm, Unknown column 'record.recorddups' in 'field list' |
| 17:27 | Omnic | dunno what you've done, it's just a query out of the source that I'm modifying... |
| 17:27 | Omnic | it's likely you have an older db layout |
| 17:28 | o_cee | nope, cvs |
| 17:28 | Omnic | *shrug* then. bob2.sql is just the query in scheduledrecordings.cpp |
| 17:28 | o_cee | describe record; anyone? |
| 17:28 | thor__ | 75 rows in set (0.16 sec) |
| 17:28 | Omnic | aww crap. |
| 17:28 | Omnic | ok, it makes it bloody slow. |
| 17:29 | thor__ | rather |
| 17:29 | Omnic | fuck, there's no other way to do it though. |
| 17:29 | Omnic | ok, thanks. I'll go away and have more of a think again. |
| 17:29 | thor__ | yup |
| 17:30 | Omnic | hrm... so I'm not too fucked in the head, can you fetch bob.sql again, and re-run that? it had an extra LIKE that should have been =. |
| 17:31 | Omnic | if too much hassle, don't worry |
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| 17:31 | thor__ | 75 rows in set (6.85 sec) |
| 17:31 | Omnic | ok, cheers. |
| 17:31 | thor__ | yup |
| 17:31 | Omnic | hmmm... does mysql's SQL short-circuit? |
| 17:32 | | * thor__ looks around |
| 17:32 | Omnic | e.g.: WHERE (foo = 1 AND bar like baz) - does the like happen if foo != 1 ? |
| 17:32 | thor__ | no idea |
| 17:32 | Omnic | hrm. |
| 17:34 | Omnic | I'll be a prick again... (my db is too small to get decent timings..) could you run bob.sql again? (refetch) |
| 17:34 | Omnic | (last one) |
| 17:34 | o_cee | Chutt: is record.recorddups supposed to be gone in current cvs? :) |
| 17:35 | mdz | Omnic: it'd be in the docs |
| 17:35 | thor__ | 75 rows in set (0.18 sec) |
| 17:35 | Omnic | oh good. it does |
| 17:35 | Omnic | mdz: yeah, I thought it would be, but where woud be a good question.. |
| 17:35 | mdz | in the section on boolean operators |
| 17:36 | Omnic | ok, so this looks like it might be practical with a flag |
| 17:36 | mdz | http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Logical_Operators.html |
| 17:36 | mdz | doesn't say apparetnly |
| 17:38 | mdz | Omnic: so it'll only be ridiculously slow if they use the feature |
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| 18:10 | Spida | I got it working. all. *dance* *party* |
| 18:12 | sc00p | is the autoexpiration code supposed to work properly for recordings on non-master backends? |
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| 18:32 | duh | did anyone have trouble with VCDimager? |
| 18:32 | duh | i am having trouble getting the make to work |
| 18:33 | duh | plzzzzzzzz help! |
| 18:37 | solarce[h] | duh: /topic |
| 18:38 | duh | sorry? |
| 18:38 | solarce[h] | read the topic |
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| 18:39 | duh | ok... thought i would try here because you guys are know for being so helpful |
| 18:40 | pahli_bar | we need to lose that reputation |
| 18:40 | solarce[h] | how'd we get that reputation? |
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| 18:41 | duh | found it in several mailing list messages |
| 18:41 | solarce[h] | they must have been fabricated |
| 18:41 | duh | and why would you want to loose it... isn't it the basis of linux... working together |
| 18:42 | thor__ | Kumbaya ... |
| 18:43 | duh | shoot guys and gals.. i don't care one way or the other.. just going on what people had written |
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| 18:44 | duh | i always like sharing my knowledge with those who need help |
| 18:44 | duh | but 2 each his/her own i suppose |
| 18:45 | o_cee | don't you want the developers of myth focusing on coding instead of stupid questions? |
| 18:45 | solarce[h] | o_cee: well that depends on if I have stupid questions or not, doesn't it :> |
| 18:45 | pahli_bar | or not relevant to mythtv questions |
| 18:47 | duh | not to go on the defensive... but VCDImager is part of Myth.. and part of the installation process.. sooooo... not sure how it is stupid or off subject |
| 18:47 | o_cee | part of myth? right |
| 18:48 | pahli_bar | where? |
| 18:48 | o_cee | but, as the topic says, this is no user support channel |
| 18:48 | pahli_bar | he said it with so much confidence, i had to go back and check |
| 18:49 | solarce[h] | pahli_bar: in one of those unofficial install guides, I bet |
| 18:49 | duh | Read your MythDVD INSTALL |
| 18:49 | solarce[h] | hmm |
| 18:49 | duh | developers my foot |
| 18:50 | | ChaosExiguum | I think the point that is trying to be made is that while mythdvd might require vcdimager, vcdimage is not a part of mythtv itself |
| 18:50 | pahli_bar | there there no need to get worked up. |
| 18:52 | | * solarce[h] homework |
| 18:52 | duh | lol... no... i am not trying to upset anyone.. I was hoping to get some help.. hell i have been scouring the Internet and googling my buns off for about hours trying to figure out why all my other src is compiling and this one fi***ing thing won't that my eyes are crossedlists |
| 18:52 | pahli_bar | reading the readme.... the vcdimager requirement for mythdvd is actually for xine |
| 18:53 | pahli_bar | if you want "xine working with the vcdx plugin" ... so its not a mythtv or mythdvd requirement |
| 18:53 | duh | and could not focus enough to read the topic on entering |
| 18:53 | pahli_bar | and so ..... |
| 18:53 | pahli_bar | (calm like a hindu cow).... |
| 18:53 | pahli_bar | .... |
| 18:53 | pahli_bar | go fuck yourself |
| 18:53 | thor__ | ... oh lord, Kumbaya |
| 18:54 | duh | oh now.. kiss kiss |
| 18:54 | | * pahli_bar winks at thor__ |
| 18:55 | thor__ | Chutt, on the off chance you've missed this on scrollback, cvs-commits mailing list and cvs web access do not seem to be working |
| 18:55 | o_cee | pahli_bar: :D |
| 18:56 | o_cee | that car must shine by now |
| 18:56 | Captain_Murdo | | o_cee, record.recorddups is gone in favor of the new duplicate checking code which uses record.dupin and record.dupmethod. |
| 18:56 | o_cee | Captain_Murdoch: great, got scared there for a sec :) |
| 18:57 | Captain_Murdo | | o_cee, on your liveTv info problem, did you mean in browse mode or just when pressing 'I'. |
| 18:57 | o_cee | Captain_Murdoch: just when pressing I, but i haven't verified it, and thinking about it i doubt it would have been missed. so i guess the program was just overdue |
| 18:59 | Captain_Murdo | | I'm checking now. I don't remember if it offsets the time, but I'll see. curiosity.. :) |
| 18:59 | o_cee | :) |
| 19:00 | Captain_Murdo | | started up LiveTV and paused it since it's right before the hour. |
| 19:01 | Captain_Murdo | | nope, it broke. displayed the current show info not the timeshifted info. |
| 19:02 | o_cee | oh |
| 19:02 | o_cee | :) hehe, great |
| 19:05 | o_cee | time to get some rest |
| 19:05 | o_cee | g'night all |
| 19:05 | thor__ | yup |
| 19:05 | Captain_Murdo | | o_cee, I have an idea on how to fix that, will try to test tongiht to see. |
| 19:06 | Captain_Murdo | | current code wipes the buffer if you change channels right? |
| 19:06 | o_cee | Captain_Murdoch: what do you mean? |
| 19:07 | Captain_Murdo | | if you change channels in LiveTV and you're 5 minutes behind, then it takes you to realtime on the new channel. |
| 19:07 | o_cee | yeah |
| 19:08 | Captain_Murdo | | ok, so my idea might work. I was thinking it wouldn't work if you cahnged channels. I'll let you know (or you might see a commit message if it works). :) |
| 19:08 | o_cee | btw, got a really odd idea for fast channel switching.. requires 2+ tunes. when you're watching say channel 4, card2 keeps recording channel5.. so when you switch, it's an instant switch (time to change stream?).. could be pretty cool on 3 tuner systems |
| 19:09 | o_cee | Captain_Murdoch: sounds good :) |
| 19:09 | thor__ | 1 tuner per channel, that's the only solution |
| 19:09 | o_cee | huh? |
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| 19:10 | o_cee | (tired, so i might be mumbling) |
| 19:10 | thor__ | if you have 110 cable channels, then you use 110 backends, instant channel change ! |
| 19:10 | Captain_Murdo | | and as always, one solution causes a "problem" elsewhere, cause I'd need more hard drive space for recording. :) |
| 19:10 | o_cee | yeeeaah yeah :) it could be small ringbuffers only, like 200mb |
| 19:11 | o_cee | just to make the channel switch fast |
| 19:11 | thor__ | plus, you just do away with scheduling recordings, just record everything |
| 19:11 | thor__ | much simpler |
| 19:11 | thor__ | :-) |
| 19:11 | o_cee | why not :) |
| 19:12 | Captain_Murdo | | when we get those new terabyte usb keys and can just plug a bunch into a usb 2.0 hub. |
| 19:12 | o_cee | Captain_Murdoch: you think it'd be possible to add more dupechecking stuff? |
| 19:12 | Captain_Murdo | | like what? |
| 19:12 | o_cee | like.. |
| 19:12 | o_cee | all my re-runs (swedish listning) |
| 19:12 | o_cee | only says "Re-run from 3/2" |
| 19:13 | o_cee | dunno if it'd be possible to regexp something out of it |
| 19:13 | Captain_Murdo | | that's in the subtitle or description right? |
| 19:13 | o_cee | desc |
| 19:13 | o_cee | got no subtitles at all |
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| 19:14 | Captain_Murdo | | but how does it know if you recorded it on 3/2? |
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