| --- | Log | opened Fri Feb 06 00:00:19 2004 |
| 00:03 | Niqo | yra |
| 00:04 | Niqo | yea, that should be.. |
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| 00:08 | Niqo | Capt.: having trouble with mythweb? |
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| 00:09 | Niqo | is the lists at mythtv.org slow? |
| 00:12 | Niqo | Chutt: any chance of becoming a cvs write member soon, or is my coding just to crappy (I can take it..mail me if i'm not around) |
| 00:12 | Niqo | :=? |
| 00:16 | Niqo | thor: here? |
| 00:17 | thor__ | yup |
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| 00:22 | Niqo | about your replay on -dev, can the mfd do automatic updates (when a backend connects), filetype transparrency (don't care if it's just a cache file), location transparrency and relocation (if a file is too big, can it be relocated or partially placed at a different location)? |
| 00:22 | Niqo | :) |
| 00:22 | | * Niqo thinks everything is possible... |
| 00:23 | thor__ | the file only "moves" when it is to be played ... so it's just a stream ... but you can seek in the stream, so it's just like having a local file |
| 00:24 | thor__ | and the metadata autoupdates across boxes (this is only for audio data so far) |
| 00:28 | Niqo | what about relocation/size issues, does it work with largefile? |
| 00:29 | | * Niqo (thor: remember that i'm considering moving my efforts onto your work, versus doing my own) |
| 00:29 | thor__ | well, not sure what you mean, but since it only takes the stream of the wire and decodes it out to an audio player, the client doesn't care how big the file is |
| 00:29 | thor__ | stream off |
| 00:30 | Netslayer | anyone get videolan working with mythtv files? |
| 00:30 | Niqo | i wnat to seek 32bits*2 + 1 into a file, is that going to work? |
| 00:30 | thor__ | yup |
| 00:30 | thor__ | if the files that big :-) |
| 00:30 | Niqo | ahh, so you have long long file indexes (ie longfile support) :) |
| 00:31 | thor__ | 64 bit |
| 00:31 | Niqo | yea |
| 00:31 | Niqo | long long |
| 00:31 | Niqo | anh, don't bother crushing me :) |
| 00:32 | thor__ | the best demonstration of what it does is to run 1 or 2 mfds and iTunes on a LAN |
| 00:32 | Niqo | so what about a file split across storage facilities, that's not implemented is it? |
| 00:32 | thor__ | nope |
| 00:32 | Niqo | finally, something i can work on :) |
| 00:33 | thor__ | heh |
| 00:33 | thor__ | there's _lots_ to work on |
| 00:33 | Niqo | what about a special device, such as a recorder (either audio/video/internet), any framework? |
| 00:34 | thor__ | no, don't think so |
| 00:35 | thor__ | (not exactly sure what you mean by "recorder") |
| 00:35 | Niqo | so every device/file is assumed seekable? |
| 00:35 | thor__ | Netslayer, it's on the mfd to do list, but that's a _long_ list and I'm not very speedy |
| 00:35 | thor__ | everything is a URL |
| 00:35 | thor__ | and URL's are seekable |
| 00:36 | Niqo | yea, but now always available is the data before now...but i imagine it beeing a small issue (without peeking) |
| 00:37 | Niqo | s/now/not |
| 00:37 | Niqo | first only, |
| 00:38 | thor__ | it's reasonably robust to things that were supposed to be there disappearing |
| 00:38 | thor__ | but that's always hard to do well |
| 00:38 | Niqo | thor, could you give a quick tour of the mfd (5 lines of so)? |
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| 00:39 | thor__ | http://cvs.mythtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/mfd/README?content-type=text%2Fplain&rev=1.10 |
| 00:39 | thor__ | that make any sense ? |
| 00:39 | Niqo | that's just one line (or two) =) |
| 00:40 | Niqo | but it'll probably doo! |
| 00:40 | thor__ | all the plugins have little README's as well |
| 00:40 | billytwowilly | | that's interesting. I had no idea. |
| 00:41 | | * billytwowill goes to read up on mfd |
| 00:41 | billytwowilly | | ;) |
| 00:42 | Niqo | Plugins can either |
| 00:42 | Niqo | present their own (socket-based) interface to the world |
| 00:42 | Niqo | now, this sound something linke I want :) |
| 00:43 | billytwowilly | | doh.. I don't see a video sharing plugin. |
| 00:43 | thor__ | crawl ... walk .... run |
| 00:43 | Niqo | yea |
| 00:44 | billytwowilly | | did you write all this code yourself thor? that's pretty impresive if you did. Seems like a lot of stuff here. |
| 00:44 | thor__ | heh, been toiling away on this for a while |
| 00:44 | Niqo | or as they say in the british parliament: aiiii |
| 00:45 | thor__ | Chutt's been explaining things to be when I do something exceedingly stupid |
| 00:45 | thor__ | to me |
| 00:45 | | * Niqo loves YAMUP... |
| 00:45 | billytwowilly | | that's still pretty nice. |
| 00:45 | thor__ | (C) |
| 00:46 | thor__ | really, go build it and run iTunes against it ... it's just very cool to see services being auto-discovered |
| 00:46 | Niqo | don't have iTunes :( |
| 00:46 | billytwowilly | | I don't own a windows computer or a mac;) |
| 00:46 | thor__ | ah |
| 00:47 | | * billytwowill has been windows free since roughly 2000ish |
| 00:47 | thor__ | well, 2nd best is to run two of em and point a browser at one or the other |
| 00:47 | thor__ | functional, but crude |
| 00:48 | billytwowilly | | nifty. |
| 00:48 | Niqo | 1st one: but, if I'd do a plugin, and some patches against the MythTV tree, would you help me? |
| 00:48 | billytwowilly | | well, I gotta go. I really look forward to mfd's feature completeness. |
| 00:48 | thor__ | heh, me too |
| 00:48 | thor__ | Niqo, I'm here a fair bit :-) |
| 00:48 | billytwowilly | | cheers, and keep up the good work. |
| 00:49 | Niqo | hmm, I should shift my focus from mythvdir too mfd then |
| 00:50 | Niqo | but the backend would need some support though |
| 00:50 | thor__ | yup |
| 00:51 | Niqo | thor: how does one unit on the same network discover another? |
| 00:51 | thor__ | Rendezvous/zeroconfig |
| 00:53 | Niqo | sorry, it was not an url, and user is to lazy to do google.org: so it's some sort of broadcast/multicast? |
| 00:54 | thor__ | yup: http://cvs.mythtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/mfd/mfd/plugins/zeroconfig/README?content-type=text%2Fplain&rev=1.1.1.1 |
| 00:54 | Niqo | Plugins can either |
| 00:54 | Niqo | present their own (socket-based) interface to the world |
| 00:55 | Niqo | mmmm |
| 00:56 | thor__ | bbiab (5 minutes) |
| 00:56 | Niqo | you really have all bases covered for anyone wanting to join in, do you :) |
| 00:56 | thor__ | heh |
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| 01:01 | Niqo | I beet the Apple licence would be the hard part... |
| 01:03 | Niqo | Patch by Kenneth (ke-aa at frisurf.no) to allow editing the scheduled |
| 01:03 | Niqo | recording entry for a recorded program from the playbackbox screen. |
| 01:03 | Niqo | I don't own this.... |
| 01:05 | thor__ | that's why the zeroconfig stuff is a plugin |
| 01:05 | thor__ | code base is GPL |
| 01:05 | thor__ | plugin interface is LGPL |
| 01:06 | thor__ | plugins can be anything |
| 01:07 | Niqo | so mythtv becomes lgpl, which it is already because of avcodec |
| 01:08 | thor__ | no, myth is (and as far as anyone I know is concerned) will stay GPL |
| 01:09 | Niqo | ahh, it only becomes lgpl if it's included in a commercial library/project ;) |
| 01:10 | thor__ | no, just the specification of the plugin interface is LGPL |
| 01:10 | thor__ | so you can have plugins that are _not_ GPL |
| 01:10 | thor__ | and you don't taint either way |
| 01:11 | Niqo | but the avcodec (at least parts of it) implies lgpl and a commerial licence for every codec that is included... |
| 01:11 | Niqo | hmmm |
| 01:11 | thor__ | dunno about the libavcodec stuff |
| 01:11 | thor__ | but I'm sure Chutt does |
| 01:11 | Chutt | libavcodec in mythtv is gpl. |
| 01:11 | Chutt | not lgpl. |
| 01:11 | Niqo | yea, but i was sure the lgpl only covered an incarnation.. |
| 01:12 | Niqo | Chutt: u 100% ? |
| 01:12 | Chutt | absolutely |
| 01:12 | Chutt | read the lgpl sometime. |
| 01:12 | Niqo | hmmm, i've got doubts bout that, at least if someone includes it in a comm app |
| 01:13 | Chutt | um. |
| 01:13 | Chutt | it's gpl. |
| 01:13 | Chutt | have you ever read the lgpl? |
| 01:13 | Niqo | hmm, not the statement you've made |
| 01:13 | Niqo | parts of the avcodec lib is lgpl, right? |
| 01:14 | Chutt | not the copy in mythtv |
| 01:14 | Niqo | so you have moved the bits? which? |
| 01:14 | Chutt | i haven't moved anything |
| 01:15 | Niqo | hmmmmm |
| 01:15 | Netslayer | Chutt, know anyway to get mythtv's mpeg4 nuv to be able play in videoLAN? Should I ask vidlan developers? |
| 01:15 | Chutt | netslayer, someone would need to add it to videolan. |
| 01:15 | Chutt | niqo, read the lgpl sometime. |
| 01:15 | Chutt | before wasting my time arguing with me |
| 01:15 | Niqo | yea,sure, Churr |
| 01:15 | Chutt | You may opt to apply the terms of the ordinary GNU General Public License instead of this License to a given copy of the Library. |
| 01:15 | Chutt | what the fuck does that say? |
| 01:15 | Netslayer | that's what i thought, wonder if they would do that..maybe i'll chat with them |
| 01:16 | Chutt | that's what makes the lgpl compatible with the gpl |
| 01:16 | Chutt | the license isn't, otherwise. |
| 01:17 | Niqo | Chutt: not to offend, but you need a lawyer, your reading things as you want them to sound like |
| 01:17 | Chutt | what? |
| 01:17 | Chutt | this is why you're never getting cvs access, btw |
| 01:17 | Chutt | you annoy me too much. |
| 01:17 | Niqo | lgpl is not downgradable to gpl |
| 01:17 | mdz | Niqo: I think it's pretty clear |
| 01:17 | mdz | downgradable? |
| 01:17 | Chutt | upgradable. |
| 01:18 | Niqo | lesser general public... |
| 01:18 | mdz | paragraph 3 |
| 01:18 | mdz | it's very explicit |
| 01:19 | | * Niqo says: this sounds like a war, and he does not have the arsenal... |
| 01:20 | Chutt | if (query.value(16) != NULL) |
| 01:20 | Chutt | heh |
| 01:20 | Chutt | whose code is that? |
| 01:20 | Niqo | ;) |
| 01:21 | Netslayer | Chutt, is there any info available on the custom nuv format that I might be able to pass on to videolan? |
| 01:21 | Netslayer | +people |
| 01:21 | Chutt | nothing besides the source |
| 01:21 | thor__ | Chutt, where is _that_? |
| 01:22 | mdz | Netslayer: format.h, NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp, etc. |
| 01:22 | Netslayer | ok, good q |
| 01:22 | Chutt | nuppeldecoder.cpp |
| 01:22 | thor__ | phew |
| 01:22 | Chutt | NVP.cpp doesn't have any codec stuff anymore |
| 01:22 | mdz | ah |
| 01:22 | Chutt | thor, what i pasted? mainserver.cpp |
| 01:22 | Netslayer | cool, okay i'll specify that then |
| 01:22 | thor__ | ah |
| 01:22 | mdz | then NVP.cpp is now inaccurately named :-) |
| 01:22 | Chutt | right |
| 01:22 | Chutt | it's just the player class now |
| 01:23 | mdz | 1.123 (cpinkham 05-Feb-04): if (query.value(16) != NULL) |
| 01:23 | thor__ | not unlike databasebox.cpp in mythmusic, which has not actually talked to a database in several months |
| 01:23 | Chutt | he committed it, i think its someone elses |
| 01:23 | Chutt | it used to :p |
| 01:23 | thor__ | yup |
| 01:25 | mdz | Chutt: the log message says Joel Feenstra |
| 01:25 | Chutt | or J Donavan Stanley |
| 01:25 | Chutt | or whatnot |
| 01:25 | mdz | it definitely seems like part of the duplicate checking stuff |
| 01:26 | mdz | as opposed to the 20 other things in that commit |
| 01:26 | Chutt | heh |
| 01:26 | mdz | he's worse than you in that respect :-P |
| 01:26 | Chutt | yeah |
| 01:26 | Chutt | well, i just do a bunch of patches all at once |
| 01:26 | Chutt | haven't had all that much time for much else, lately |
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| 01:28 | Netslayer | so this is generaly the file: mythtv/libs/libmythtv/nuppeldecoder.cpp |
| 01:28 | Chutt | yup |
| --- | Log | closed Fri Feb 06 01:28:37 2004 |
| --- | Log | opened Fri Feb 06 01:28:44 2004 |
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| 01:29 | mdz | Niqo: look again, you are mistaken |
| 01:29 | | * thor__ has found an old pen he used to use all the time under his desk |
| 01:29 | mdz | you can take any LGPL-licensed code and treat it as GPL-licensed |
| 01:29 | mdz | at your option |
| 01:30 | mdz | that is what paragraph 3 says |
| 01:30 | Niqo | mdz: If you publish printed copies (or copies in media that commonly have printed covers) of the Document, numbering more than 100, and the Document's license notice requires Cover Texts |
| 01:31 | mdz | Niqo: you are reading the GFDL |
| 01:31 | Niqo | the reason Mythtv sleeps in beauty is because of the ffmpeg lgpl licence |
| 01:31 | mdz | Niqo: you are talking nonsense and reading the wrong license |
| 01:31 | Chutt | niqo, you really need to lay off the crack. |
| 01:32 | | * Niqo Chutt: yea, laying the pipe asside for the event... |
| 01:33 | Niqo | 3. You may opt to apply the terms of the ordinary GNU General Public License instead of this License to a given copy of the Library. To do this, you must alter all the notices that refer to this License, so that they refer to the ordinary GNU General Public License, version 2, instead of to this License. |
| 01:34 | Niqo | okay then, damn ;( |
| 01:34 | Niqo | :Q |
| 01:35 | Chutt | which i didn't do, but that's nitpicking |
| 01:35 | Chutt | since it has to be gpl since it's included in a gpl program |
| 01:35 | thor__ | awk |
| 01:35 | Chutt | too lazy |
| 01:35 | thor__ | heh |
| 01:36 | Chutt | makes it much more difficult to merge in updates |
| 01:36 | thor__ | make ./configure run awk ? :-) |
| 01:36 | Niqo | your not reffering to any lgpl licences (unless theres some left in libavcodec),? |
| 01:37 | Chutt | heh |
| 01:37 | Niqo | only gpl or any later version, right? |
| 01:46 | ofer | anybody using the directshow filters to access a mythbackend? |
| 01:47 | Niqo | ofer: have not tryed yet, to buissy proteecting the myttv futurue, hehe! |
| 01:49 | | * Niqo is tired of waiting, gnitht!! |
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| 01:50 | Chutt | i'm bumping the version up to 0.15 |
| 01:50 | Chutt | in case people care |
| 01:50 | ofer | cool |
| 01:50 | thor__ | oh dear |
| 01:50 | ofer | quick version change |
| 01:55 | billytwowilly | | anybody want to give me the three line summary of the apple public licence so I don't have to read the whole thing? |
| 01:56 | Captain_Murdo | | Nigo, I just gave Joel credit for that patch. |
| 01:56 | Captain_Murdo | | Chutt, I'm fixing the != NULL thing. :) |
| 01:56 | ofer | apple owns all |
| 01:56 | Chutt | captain_murdoch, i just did |
| 01:56 | Chutt | no worries |
| 01:56 | ofer | oh, 3 line, not 3 word |
| 01:56 | Chutt | toInt() returns 0 if it can't convert it, so there's no real need to test |
| 01:57 | billytwowilly | | but what does that do for distribution rights and such? |
| 01:57 | thor__ | billytwowilly, http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/apsl.html |
| 01:57 | Captain_Murdo | | anything else I mess up? :( |
| 01:57 | ofer | dunno, just wanted to be a wise ass =) |
| 01:57 | billytwowilly | | thor__: thanks |
| 01:57 | Chutt | captain_murdoch, nope =) |
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| 01:59 | livesN[box] | hi guys.. my wintv pvr-350 showed up today but I dunno how to get it installed in linux.. |
| 01:59 | livesN[box] | any help? |
| 01:59 | Chutt | read the ivtv docs. |
| 02:00 | livesN[box] | k |
| 02:00 | ofer | http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ is a good tutorial that covers the pvr |
| 02:02 | Rincev6 | livesN[box]: put it in the pci-slot ;) |
| 02:03 | Rincev6 | or http://www-isl.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de/~hi93/myth/mythtv_debian_epia_pvr350_walkthrough |
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| 02:12 | knight- | it would be nice if my ivtv driver wouldnt keep timing out :) |
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| 02:41 | hadees | knight: some times they don't get init right just modprobe -r ivtv then modprobe ivtv |
| 02:41 | hadees | and try again |
| 02:41 | hadees | eventualy they will all work |
| 02:42 | hadees | you just cat each one after you modprobe ivtv again |
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| 03:44 | ShockValue | arg, this is drivin me nuts.. on boot, lirc works, but i get a black screen out of ivtv... when i unload and reload ivtv, i get tv, but lirc stops working. shesh |
| 03:48 | Chutt | arr, it's drivin me nuts |
| 03:49 | | * ShockValue kicks himself for screwing with things when they were working |
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| 03:54 | Spida | hi |
| 03:54 | thor__ | mmx? |
| 03:56 | Chutt | me? |
| 03:56 | Chutt | naw |
| 03:56 | Chutt | you never heard that joke? |
| 03:57 | thor__ | I guess not |
| 03:57 | thor__ | ? |
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| 03:59 | Chutt | just google for it :p |
| 03:59 | Chutt | 'arr, it's drivin me nuts' |
| 03:59 | Chutt | not worth repeating =) |
| 03:59 | thor__ | heh, heard a slightly different version |
| 04:01 | Chutt | i'm done with the mmx for now |
| 04:01 | thor__ | I saw the commit |
| 04:01 | Chutt | want to mess with the music selection screen |
| 04:01 | thor__ | heh |
| 04:01 | | * NetslayerZZZ laughs |
| 04:01 | Chutt | i did the important stuff, anyway |
| 04:02 | thor__ | basic disc monitoring is working |
| 04:02 | Chutt | the stuff i optimized already is called way more often |
| 04:02 | Chutt | except when it's fading stuff |
| 04:02 | Chutt | thor, great =) |
| 04:02 | thor__ | streaming is not quite there ... |
| 04:03 | thor__ | but cool to pop in a CD somewhere and see an iTunes playlist appear |
| 04:03 | Chutt | neat |
| 04:04 | thor__ | is there any way that a_pointer = b_pointer is different from a_pointer = &(*b_pointer) ? |
| 04:04 | Chutt | i dunno |
| 04:04 | Chutt | possibly |
| 04:05 | thor__ | hmm ... confusing |
| 04:05 | thor__ | have to check a bit to see if it's repeatable, but I swear it makes a difference |
| 04:05 | thor__ | I make metadata collections in one place, then swap them into the real metadata holder by just passing the pointer |
| 04:06 | thor__ | and if I delete the collection with setAutoDelete(true) (so that the actual metadata objects get deleted) .... then it segfaults |
| 04:07 | thor__ | but if i do the &(*sillyness), it doesn't |
| 04:07 | Chutt | they being deleted somewhere else? |
| 04:07 | thor__ | but it may just be chance, haven't fiddled with it enough |
| 04:07 | thor__ | no |
| 04:08 | thor__ | right after I swap them up to the main holding area, the original pointers go to NULL, and then (next round) they get new'd |
| 04:08 | thor__ | so it's a terrible memory leek if everything is not getting deleted just right |
| 04:08 | thor__ | leak |
| 04:09 | thor__ | anyway, I'll fiddle with it |
| 04:10 | Chutt | sounds fun |
| 04:10 | thor__ | heh |
| 04:10 | thor__ | hours of amusement |
| 04:10 | Chutt | hours upon hours |
| 04:10 | Chutt | i think it's 4 am or something |
| 04:11 | Chutt | time to sleep |
| 04:11 | thor__ | oh crap, so it is |
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| 04:54 | KaZeR | hi there |
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| 06:19 | Spida | hi |
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| 06:26 | o_cee | Captain_Murdoch: you awake? |
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| 07:02 | jDeGraw | Ive noticed that mythtv records video with mp1 compression and audio with mp2 on my PVR250 card. Is there a way to change the capture type of the audio to say mp1? Otherwise, programs like virtualdub choke on it when trying to convert to divx. |
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| 07:05 | Slaytanic | Hello everyone. What user is supposed to own the TV files? I've suddenly ran into problem with Mythbackend not being able to write to the files, despite that it runs as root... |
| 07:06 | o_cee | -> mythtv-users |
| 07:06 | Slaytanic | ok |
| 07:07 | jDeGraw | does anyone know what formats sound can be captured in other than mp2? PVR250 |
| 07:08 | o_cee | mp3 |
| 07:08 | o_cee | check the ivtv wiki |
| 07:09 | jDeGraw | Ok. I wasnt sure if it was set by ivtv or mythtv. My video is captured in mp1 and my sound in mp2. Is that the norm?? |
| 07:10 | | * jDeGraw runs off to read at ivtv |
| 07:10 | Spida | o_cee: In the channel-editor, I have channelname, channelnumber, callsign, videosource, tvformat, rank, icon, videofiltres, xmltvid |
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| 07:50 | o_cee | Chutt: i started looking at qt linguist now.. doesn't seem to hard.. but what do i do with obselete stuff? should it be deleted? |
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| 09:13 | o_cee | is mythfilldatabase --manual necesarry now when we have the channel editor?? |
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| 09:43 | Spida | o_cee: IMO, yes, until the channel editor can import xml-files |
| 09:44 | o_cee | import xml-files? |
| 09:44 | Spida | aeh... am I thinking about mythsetup --manual? |
| 09:44 | o_cee | no idea |
| 09:45 | Spida | one of them can import xmlfiles and get the channel names from there |
| 09:45 | o_cee | never used that, but okay |
| 09:46 | Spida | I used that yesterday to get my channels in |
| 09:46 | Spida | one thing that I didn't like about the channel-editor was that after editing a channel, the thing scrolled all the way back to the top of the list |
| 09:46 | Spida | and did not stay on the channel |
| 09:47 | o_cee | fix it and send the patch to -dev |
| 09:47 | Spida | just cosmetic, but an improvement |
| 09:48 | Spida | I am not much of a programmer lately... last thing I did was java, haskell and prolog at university... some php and delphi in between, but I am not good for that |
| 09:48 | pahli_bar | oh crap. the cvs server crapped out right in middle of my checkout |
| 09:48 | o_cee | doh |
| 09:49 | Spida | the other thing I noticed (I am not sure if I am right in that) is that there seemed to be some problem in setting the video-source for a channel... it seemed to set the vieo source of the channel I did edit and the one below |
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| 09:56 | pahli_bar | thor__/Chutt: around? |
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| 10:03 | kvandivo | that what's causing mythnews compiles to fail, pahli? |
| 10:03 | kvandivo | well, if it was a checkout, it shouldn't be... |
| 10:04 | kvandivo | serious issues with UIListBtnType |
| 10:04 | pahli_bar | kvandivo: mythnews broke with last nite's commits in libmyth |
| 10:05 | kvandivo | ahh.. ok |
| 10:05 | pahli_bar | kvandivo: my local copy has been updated for the changes. i need to commit it. cvs is down currently |
| 10:05 | kvandivo | fair enough. it's on the tail end of my mega compile, so everything else compiled to completion |
| 10:05 | kvandivo | up for me.. |
| 10:05 | kvandivo | at least to check out |
| 10:06 | pahli_bar | checking again. |
| 10:06 | pahli_bar | kvandivo: still down. maybe you are accessing the anon cvs |
| 10:07 | kvandivo | yep. that's most definitely what i'm accessing |
| 10:11 | o_cee | new moz on monday :) |
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| 10:12 | pahli_bar | nowadays i'm more excited about a new firebird release. stopped using mozilla few months back |
| 10:13 | o_cee | yeah meant firebird :) |
| 10:13 | o_cee | http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=48889 |
| 10:14 | o_cee | pahli_bar: looking at mythgallery now.. the translation that is.. "Modified;" and "Created;", should it really be ; instead of : ? |
| 10:15 | o_cee | Folder is the same thing |
| 10:15 | pahli_bar | o_cee: yeah it should be : |
| 10:16 | pahli_bar | o_cee: what language is that? |
| 10:16 | o_cee | swedish |
| 10:16 | pahli_bar | beat up the translator |
| 10:16 | o_cee | heh |
| 10:16 | o_cee | i'm updating it now |
| 10:16 | o_cee | i meant the original string |
| 10:17 | o_cee | strange, must be the tool that's confused |
| 10:19 | pahli_bar | o_cee: is swedish sv |
| 10:19 | o_cee | oddly enough, yeah |
| 10:19 | o_cee | should be se imo |
| 10:19 | pahli_bar | o_cee: that sounds right. kde uses se |
| 10:20 | pahli_bar | o_cee: heh. linguist seems really nice |
| 10:20 | o_cee | yeah.. works pretty well actually |
| 10:33 | kvandivo | http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/1082/ |
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| 10:49 | o_cee | pahli_bar: you familiar with the i18n stuff? |
| 10:50 | pahli_bar | o_cee: bit |
| 10:50 | pahli_bar | o_cee: more familiar with kde ones. |
| 10:50 | o_cee | i managed to make all of the entries obselete... somehow.. |
| 10:51 | pahli_bar | o_cee: in linguist? |
| 10:51 | o_cee | no, with lupdate.. |
| 10:52 | pahli_bar | o_cee: nope. sorry looking at it for the first time |
| 10:52 | o_cee | apparently i had no idea what i was doing, heh |
| 10:52 | o_cee | okay |
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| 11:09 | gerhard | Hi all, trying to setup an extra frontend and set asks for "port the server runs from" where do I find the port number for the server? |
| 11:10 | Spida | gerhard: netstat -lnp on the server |
| 11:10 | gerhard | thanks |
| 11:16 | o_cee | Chutt: you up yet? |
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| 11:28 | o_cee | pahli_bar: managed to restore the file.. |
| 11:28 | o_cee | $ lupdate translate.pro |
| 11:28 | o_cee | :) |
| 11:28 | o_cee | but i'll take a look at mythgallery first |
| 11:30 | pahli_bar | o_cee: cool |
| 11:32 | o_cee | you know if am i supposed to remove obsolete entries? |
| 11:39 | o_cee | pahli_bar: you want a diff for mythgallery swedish translation? |
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| 11:53 | pahli_bar | o_cee: sure. |
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| 12:16 | max | howdy folks...can one of you gurus look at this patch: http://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=25084&action=view ? Some gentoo kernel 2.6 users are having problem building myth. Apparently this patch fixes it, but it's out of my league. Is this worth applying? |
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| 12:20 | pahli_bar | kvandivo: mythnews updated in cvs |
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| 12:25 | Captain_Murdo | | max, better to ask Chutt about that, he usually syncs libavcodec |
| 12:25 | max | Captain_Murdoch: thanks |
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| 12:45 | _rkulagow | captain_murdoch: looks like it didn't work. i still get playing into the commercial. i'm installing the "more debug" version of nuppelvideoplayer now. |
| 12:46 | _rkulagow | also, i carefully noted what i do this time. |
| 12:46 | _rkulagow | select prorgam from "watch recordings.". hit "e". hit "z", go back to 1 second into the recording, mark " |
| 12:46 | Rince | Hmm, question: since when do we have a mythbackend version 3? my mythweb doesn't want to work anymore because it claims to be version 1... |
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| 12:48 | _rkulagow | delete after this frame." go forward using right cursor until i see that the intro to the daily show is over. mark "delete before this frame." hit page down to advance to the next cut point. backup a few seconds (since the daily show often has a few seconds of stuff where they're just rolling over the studio audience before going black) |
| 12:49 | _rkulagow | mark the new cut point, select "move this cutpont to the current location". hit page down to skip over the commercial. move the cut point again, because daily show often has stuff like "to get tickets, call...". repeat until done. exit out of edit mode. |
| 12:49 | Spida | can I enter raw frequencies instead of freqid in the channels table in the db? |
| 12:50 | _rkulagow | during watching, the first skip happens ok (usually around 30 seconds). it's the next one that often does the playthrough |
| 12:51 | Captain_Murdo | | rince, upgrade mythweb. |
| 12:51 | Rince | Hmm, I did that.. *wonder* checking again ;) |
| 12:52 | Captain_Murdo | | mythweb should work with current CVS as of last night. I'm running CVS as of last night for mythtv and mythweb. |
| 12:52 | Rince | ah, ok |
| 12:52 | Rince | thx! |
| 12:53 | kvandivo | pahli_bar: will get to it when i get a chance.. been busy working on the real job. :) |
| 12:53 | Captain_Murdo | | _rkulagow: I'll try to simulate here as well. just to verify, do you use 'Z' while watching the show or just let the cutlist do the skipping for you? |
| 12:53 | Chutt | hrmph |
| 12:55 | Chutt | think i can say that mythtv has 'dozens of regular contributors'? |
| 12:57 | kvandivo | scores, tens, multitudes |
| 12:59 | Captain_Murdo | | maybe over 2 dozen if regular is more than once or twice. and counting the theme translators, etc.. |
| 13:00 | Chutt | there's 13 people with cvs write access now |
| 13:00 | Chutt | so, i dunno |
| 13:00 | Chutt | just trying to come up with a good number for ye olde resume |
| 13:01 | o_cee | Chutt: i started mucking around with linguist.. |
| 13:01 | Chutt | great |
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| 13:02 | o_cee | yeah.. am i supposed to remove the obsolete elements? |
| 13:02 | Chutt | i dunno |
| 13:05 | o_cee | heh, okay :) |
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| 13:06 | o_cee | Chutt: the fix for the backend problem seems to have worked for me at least.. if you where unsure ;) |
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| 13:07 | meloncully | uhh, quick questino. |
| 13:07 | meloncully | im configuring the backend for myth |
| 13:07 | meloncully | and i am using gentoo. i dont know where the setup file is that ims supposed to use |
| 13:08 | meloncully | should i.. donwload the package from the myth site and use that one? |
| 13:08 | Slaytanic | What setup file are you talking about? |
| 13:08 | Chutt | meloncully, see topic. |
| 13:08 | kvandivo | _rkulagow: you need to add a note at the beginning of the docs that if people are looking for a file they should do 'updatedb ; find filename' |
| 13:08 | meloncully | Switch to the setup directory and run the setup program: |
| 13:08 | meloncully | $ cd setup |
| 13:08 | meloncully | $ ./setup |
| 13:09 | meloncully | oh, |
| 13:09 | meloncully | k |
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| 13:11 | o_cee | Chutt: at least now i know how i _shouldn't_ be doing with the .ts files.. managed to wipe the stuff i've made already.. ah well |
| 13:11 | Chutt | heh |
| 13:12 | o_cee | i send an update for mythgallery to pahli_bar anyway, so that's a start.. |
| 13:12 | o_cee | later, time for some quality time |
| 13:12 | Slaytanic | Good work. |
| 13:12 | Slaytanic | The swedish interface has been neglected. :) |
| 13:13 | kvandivo | you never could count on the swedes... |
| 13:14 | Slaytanic | What can you expect from former vikings and looters? ;) |
| 13:16 | _rkulagow | c_m: once i have everything marked i usually just sit back and let the cutlist do the work, so in these problem cases i don't hit "z" until i see that it's played through. |
| 13:16 | _rkulagow | and sometimes "z" then does the right thing, and sometimes it just loops back to the start of the commercial. |
| 13:17 | _rkulagow | bbl. |
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| 13:19 | Chutt | pahli_bar, hey |
| 13:20 | Captain_Murdo | | _rkulagow: did you look at the cutlist value in the recorded table to see if it looked correct? |
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| 13:38 | skywarper | hello! |
| 13:39 | Slaytanic | Hi |
| 13:40 | skywarper | do you know if i can use one of those |
| 13:40 | skywarper | oh uh.. waitt |
| 13:40 | skywarper | *poff* |
| 13:45 | _rkulagow | ok, here's how it looks so far. at this point, we've just executed a 20 second jump that was manually inserted into the cutlist, starting from ~ 5 seconds in. this worked correctly. |
| 13:45 | _rkulagow | framesplayed: 0 |
| 13:45 | _rkulagow | setdeleteiter going to break |
| 13:45 | _rkulagow | 2004-02-06 12:39:50 Changing from None to WatchingPreRecorded |
| 13:45 | _rkulagow | framesplayed: 90 |
| 13:45 | _rkulagow | setdeleteiter going to break |
| 13:45 | _rkulagow | in block |
| 13:45 | _rkulagow | first deleteIter (key,data): 1051,0 |
| 13:45 | _rkulagow | totalFrames: 53520 |
| 13:45 | _rkulagow | executing JumpToFrame, deleteIter.(key,data): 1051,0 |
| 13:45 | _rkulagow | framesplayed: 1050 |
| 13:45 | _rkulagow | in setdeleteiter block before increment, deleteiter (key,data): 151,1 |
| 13:45 | _rkulagow | in setdeleteiter block after increment, deleteiter (key,data): 1051,0 |
| 13:45 | _rkulagow | framesplayed: 1050 |
| 13:45 | _rkulagow | setdeleteiter going to break |
| 13:45 | _rkulagow | deleteIter != deleteMap.begin() block before decrement, deleteiter (key,data): 1051,0 |
| 13:45 | _rkulagow | deleteIter != deleteMap.begin() block after decrement, deleteiter (key,data): 151,1 |
| 13:45 | _rkulagow | back from JumpToFrame |
| 13:45 | _rkulagow | second deleteIter (key,data): 1051,0 |
| 13:46 | _rkulagow | it's playing in real time. i expect the next one should happen around 10 minutes into the program, so it'll be a few minutes. the next one is where "Z" was used to import the skip list into the editor and the in/out points were manually adjusted. |
| 13:46 | _rkulagow | let me open mysql in another session. |
| 13:48 | Captain_Murdo | | so that one worked correctly? |
| 13:48 | _rkulagow | yes, first one went ok. got 5 seconds of crank yankers, then it jumped to jon stewart monologe. |
| 13:49 | _rkulagow | ok, i've got 3916 rows in recordedmarkup for this program, let me roll the SQL to narrow it down some more. |
| 13:49 | Captain_Murdo | | look at the cutlist field in the recorded table. |
| 13:51 | _rkulagow | | 151 - 1051 |
| 13:51 | _rkulagow | 21024 - 26012 |
| 13:51 | _rkulagow | 35759 - 41222 |
| 13:51 | _rkulagow | 46948 - 50868 |
| 13:52 | Captain_Murdo | | ok, so right after frame 21024 it should jump to 26012 |
| 13:52 | _rkulagow | ok, let me go see where it is. |
| 13:52 | _rkulagow | brb |
| 13:54 | _rkulagow | ok, it played through the commercial, and i don't have any debugging on the console. |
| 13:54 | _rkulagow | (meaning what i've pasted so far is all it's dumped) |
| 13:55 | Captain_Murdo | | so it played through where it should have skipped? |
| 13:55 | _rkulagow | c_m: yes |
| 13:55 | _rkulagow | c_m: do you want a diff of my changes to NVP? |
| 13:56 | Captain_Murdo | | yeah, email it if you can. |
| 13:56 | _rkulagow | address? |
| 13:56 | Captain_Murdo | | cpinkham@bc2va.org |
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| 13:56 | _rkulagow | ok, just a second. |
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| 13:57 | skywarper | does any of you guys use some satellite tv-card? |
| 13:57 | skywarper | like those hauppauge dvb or whatever they're called |
| 13:57 | _rkulagow | ok, on the way... |
| 14:01 | Captain_Murdo | | looking at it now. |
| 14:03 | Captain_Murdo | | and this time you haven't pressed any keys right? just went into edit, marked the stuff, then let it play. |
| 14:03 | _rkulagow | correct. |
| 14:03 | Captain_Murdo | | trying to figure out where setDeleteIter() was called from. |
| 14:04 | Captain_Murdo | | ahh, because it calls do fastforward. |
| 14:04 | _rkulagow | well, i pressed "p" to pause/unpause to see where i was in the stream, but after the unpause (which was still within the commercial break) it just picked up where it was and didn't skip. |
| 14:05 | skywarper | you can't watch one satellite show and record another at the same time, right? |
| 14:05 | lmatter | join #minimyth |
| 14:05 | skywarper | if you don't have several cards that is |
| 14:06 | _rkulagow | weren't some of the DVB people talking about recording mulitple shows on one card as long as they were still on the same transponder or whatever it's called? |
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| 14:10 | Captain_Murdo | | _rkulagow: I'm checking something out now. |
| 14:10 | _rkulagow | ok |
| 14:11 | _rkulagow | ok, the program played all the way through, went from watchingprerecorded to none. the only skip was the first one. |
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| 14:12 | Captain_Murdo | | ok, thanks. I'm going to do some tests here in a couple minutes. |
| 14:12 | _rkulagow | great. |
| 14:14 | Captain_Murdo | | JumpToFrame calls DoFastForward which calls ClearAfterSeek which calls SetDeleteIter, but when it calls SetDeleteIter, FramesPlayed is still set to the old position so I'm wondering if that's causing part of this. |
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| 14:18 | | * thor__ ponders why Chutt would be working on his resume |
| 14:19 | kvandivo | you don't keep yours up to date? |
| 14:19 | thor__ | don't even have one |
| 14:20 | Chutt | oh, heh |
| 14:20 | Chutt | losing my job end of this month |
| 14:20 | kvandivo | sorry to hear that |
| 14:20 | Chutt | no big deal |
| 14:20 | Chutt | i just may have to get a real job where i have to wake up and get dressed in the morning |
| 14:21 | thor__ | should take all of about 12 minutes to get another one |
| 14:21 | Chutt | scary |
| 14:21 | kvandivo | you mean i might not continue reading your old messages from 4 in the morning? |
| 14:21 | Chutt | heh |
| 14:21 | kvandivo | you know, its funny.. i've said to myself more than once as i read your messages when i get up of a morning, 'He must not have to go into work early, or he needs a heck of a lot less sleep than i do' |
| 14:22 | Chutt | work from home, make your own hours |
| 14:22 | Chutt | long as stuff gets done, at least =) |
| 14:22 | thor__ | heh |
| 14:22 | thor__ | hmmmmm |
| 14:23 | _rkulagow | chutt: setup up a paypal link, live off of that. |
| 14:23 | _rkulagow | you know, the huge bux from all the appreciative mythtv users. |
| 14:23 | Chutt | heh |
| 14:23 | kvandivo | i wouldn't bank on that. open source users/abusers are a stingy lot |
| 14:23 | Chutt | i told my wife 'if i had $10 for every download of the last release, neither of us would have to work' |
| 14:24 | thor__ | write a non free Windows/Mac desktop myth client, sell it for $10 a pop |
| 14:24 | kvandivo | did she say, "why don't you?" |
| 14:24 | _rkulagow | plus, it will keep you releasing more often. |
| 14:24 | Chutt | heh |
| 14:24 | Chutt | naw |
| 14:25 | thor__ | strike a paternship agreement with a listings service, run the code for that |
| 14:25 | thor__ | start an offshow casino, build a myth module to play blackjack on your tv, live off that |
| 14:25 | _rkulagow | will that release you from your NDA/no compete as far as the recommendations stuff? i remember you saying that because of your job you wouldn't/couldn't |
| 14:25 | Chutt | yeah, in a few months |
| 14:26 | Chutt | i'd have to look up how many |
| 14:26 | kvandivo | you are still bound to that even if they axe you? |
| 14:26 | thor__ | 99% of non-competes are non-enforceable |
| 14:26 | Chutt | for a couple months |
| 14:26 | Chutt | something like that |
| 14:27 | Chutt | i'm not worried about it :p |
| 14:27 | thor__ |
