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| 00:22 | <Netslayer> | this is annoying, the slave backend wasn't connected so it was recording show A but not show B (conflict), then i rebooted master, and it switched to recording show B, I then reconnected the slave backend and no matter what I do I can't get it to record show A now, even tried manual record, still won't go |
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| 00:35 | <billytwowilly> | thor__: My theory is that darryl paid someone to write a virus (we'll call it MyDoom.c) to attack what every geek holds dear;) |
| 00:35 | <billytwowilly> | and he was funded by Bill G;) |
| 00:35 | <billytwowilly> | wow, fiction imitates life;) |
| 00:35 | <thor__> | <thor__> Daryl's been busy |
| 00:41 | <billytwowilly> | bah... my story is much more elaborate.. meaning I must be procrastinating on something much more vile than what you're procrastinating on;) |
| 00:45 | <thor__> | heh |
| 00:46 | <thor__> | Daryl wrote both, of course |
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| 00:47 | <quink_> | hey i know this isn't a support channel, but i am curious as to what you all like to use for your live tv defaults |
| 00:47 | <billytwowilly> | out of curiousity, what are you procrastinating on? I'm trying my best not to do a literature review for econ 299;) |
| 00:48 | <billytwowilly> | quink_: look in the documentation. it's there. I think under miscellaneous. |
| 00:48 | <billytwowilly> | a much better answer than what I would give as well. |
| 00:48 | <thor__> | it's a long list ... the highest thing on the stack is an optical drive watcher for the mfd |
| 00:49 | <quink_> | well yes i know that, but i was just wondering what people like |
| 00:49 | <thor__> | hmm econ 299, undergrad? |
| 00:49 | <quink_> | like what you find acceptable on your tvs(of various sizes) etc |
| 00:49 | <billytwowilly> | quink_: the answer in the docs is really better than anything i could tell you. |
| 00:49 | <quink_> | okay. |
| 00:49 | <billytwowilly> | plus you should really experiment because after you hit a certain range it really is a personal preference. |
| 00:50 | <billytwowilly> | thor__: Yah, undergrad econ. The course is fun, but the literature review (the first part of an eventual term paper) sucks because I've never done one before. |
| 00:50 | <thor__> | heh |
| 00:51 | <billytwowilly> | the term paper will suck as well for similar reasons. |
| 00:51 | <thor__> | used to teach econ |
| 00:51 | <billytwowilly> | I know. you told me when we were talking about your tax situation. |
| 00:51 | <thor__> | oh yeah |
| 00:51 | <billytwowilly> | heh, wanna write a lit review??;) jk;) |
| 00:51 | <thor__> | heh |
| 00:52 | <thor__> | oh crap, taxes |
| 00:52 | <thor__> | nm |
| 00:52 | <billytwowilly> | econ299 = all the math stuff that they couldn't fit into other courses and/or wanted to go more in depth on. |
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| 00:52 | <billytwowilly> | My lit review is on three papers on Purchasing power parity. |
| 00:53 | <thor__> | PPP, big mac index :-) |
| 00:53 | <billytwowilly> | I made the mistake of reading the paper by Belassa first and I hurt my brain;) |
| 00:53 | <billytwowilly> | yah, the big mac index is mentioned in the paper by Rogoff. |
| 00:54 | <billytwowilly> | I personally think it's a poor index. |
| 00:54 | <thor__> | actually one of the best predictors of currency markets ('cause all the predictors suck) |
| 00:54 | <billytwowilly> | PPP or the big mac index?;) |
| 00:54 | <thor__> | big mac |
| 00:54 | <thor__> | you can't predict currency markets |
| 00:55 | <thor__> | so big mac tends to be least worst |
| 00:55 | <billytwowilly> | but it doesn't even measure the same product. |
| 00:55 | <thor__> | nope |
| 00:55 | <hadees> | you can't predict any market, it all fluxs according to how scared people are at loosing all thier money |
| 00:55 | <billytwowilly> | because macs are different in different places. |
| 00:55 | <thor__> | yup |
| 00:56 | <billytwowilly> | this reminds me of a variation of a bad joke;) |
| 00:56 | <thor__> | but every good is idiosyncratic (time and place) |
| 00:56 | <billytwowilly> | What do you call a nice smelling piece of shit? |
| 00:56 | <billytwowilly> | shit;) |
| 00:56 | <billytwowilly> | anyhoo, that's my crude joke of the day. I'll try and refrain from now on.. |
| 00:57 | <thor__> | there's a scene at the beginning of The Jerk ... |
| 00:57 | <billytwowilly> | I think that's where it's from;) |
| 00:57 | <billytwowilly> | the original I heard was "what do you call a doctor with a 5 average? a Doctor." |
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| 00:58 | <billytwowilly> | what's your take on PPP then? do you think it's all a load of garbage? |
| 00:59 | <thor__> | it's a sound principal, if you want to try and compare goods/people/standard of living in two different places |
| 00:59 | <thor__> | just don't predict squat |
| 01:00 | <thor__> | err, principle |
| 01:01 | <rkulagow_afk> | slashdot's back. |
| 01:02 | <billytwowilly> | I don't think I have my brain totally wrapped around it yet. It seems like one of the assumptions it makes is that everything (labour and goods) are completely free to flow anywhere, and that isn't the case. |
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| 01:05 | <thor__> | no ... if you just take the spot market exchange rate for currencies, you get silly measures of how relatively expensive something is in one place versus another ... PPP is just a way to say that if $2 = 4 pounds, and _everything_ in the UK is twice as expensive as it is in the US, then the PPP exchange rate should be 1 (not 2) |
| 01:05 | <thor__> | plus a bunch of math |
| 01:08 | <billytwowilly> | hmm. Hust (2000) would disagree with you. He says that PPP is not a measure of what exchange rates should be, but that it is an equilibrium between prices and exchange rates and that they are both endogenous variables |
| 01:09 | <thor__> | I didn't say the exchange rate _should_ be anything, I said the PPP (adjusted) rate should reflect the difference in prices _and_ spot exchange rate |
| 01:11 | <billytwowilly> | so you would be referring to relative PPP then? My point on assumptions was regarding absolute PPP. |
| 01:12 | <thor__> | the spot exchange rate is a real thing (you can get it quoted to you all day long), PPP rate is people playing with numbers to try and get metrics that better reflect actual scarcity |
| 01:16 | <billytwowilly> | Ok, one thing I'm confused about is that Belassa (1964) talks about how, you get artificially inflated or deflated values for PPP because the non-tradeable goods sector in a country has to compete with the traded goods sector for employees so you get a higher price level that makes the currency look undervalued because the higher price level isn't reflected in the exchange rate because of the non-tradeable sector. |
| 01:17 | <billytwowilly> | So wouldn't that hint that the free movement of labour among countries with lower and higher efficiencies at producing tradeable goods be needed to compete down the cost of the less efficiently produced non-tradeable goods? |
| 01:17 | <mdz> | mythtv |
| 01:18 | <thor__> | heh |
| 01:18 | <billytwowilly> | sorry. I got carried away;) |
| 01:18 | <mdz> | I had to make sure it was mentioned somewhere in the last hour |
| 01:18 | <billytwowilly> | I forgot it wasn't #economics |
| 01:18 | <billytwowilly> | ;) |
| 01:18 | <billytwowilly> | I just so rarely have access to trained economists late at night before an econ lit review is due;) |
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| 01:19 | <thor__> | last word, saying you want a "better metric" does not mean it is easy to construct one |
| 01:20 | <billytwowilly> | I just want to know if what I'm saying makes any sense;) |
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| 01:21 | <thor__> | even if the employees _can't_ move, if they're working in the tradeable goods sector, the goods can (and the goods compete with each other) |
| 01:21 | <mclamb> | hi all... topic says it ain't appropriate for support/config questions... is there a channel for that? |
| 01:22 | <mdz> | mclamb: #mythtv-users |
| 01:22 | <mclamb> | thanks mdz |
| 01:23 | <billytwowilly> | I know... but the non-tradeable goods sector employeees... nevermind;) I'll just write the thing and get the prof to mark it;) atleast he's getting paid to put up with my pestering;) |
| 01:23 | <Chutt> | mdz, hey, check this: http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/qmake-manual-7.html |
| 01:23 | <thor__> | heh, think US <--> India code writing (and ignore the H1B's) .... |
| 01:24 | <mdz> | Chutt: ooooh |
| 01:24 | <Chutt> | though, i think it may require gcc 3.4 |
| 01:24 | <Chutt> | and qt 3.3, of course =) |
| 01:24 | <billytwowilly> | thor__: That's still tradeable goods.. think services.. like the clerk at blockbuster... |
| 01:25 | <billytwowilly> | but it appears as if the chan is starting to be used for mythtv stuff again so I should probably be quiet now;) |
| 01:25 | <mdz> | Chutt: it doesn't even list gcc as a supported platform |
| 01:25 | <thor__> | heh, back to code |
| 01:25 | <mdz> | or Linux at all |
| 01:25 | <Chutt> | mdz, it's in the release changelog |
| 01:26 | <mdz> | Chutt: speaking of qmake, somebody bothered trolltech about that stupid thing it does if you build under /usr |
| 01:26 | <mdz> | Chutt: and they responded with the name of some undocumented variable that they said would fix it |
| 01:26 | <mdz> | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=180240 |
| 01:26 | <vuud> | Any know of anywhere that actually has a Hauppauge tv pvr 250 in stock???? Everyone is out of stock! |
| 01:26 | <vuud> | Sorry, 350 |
| 01:26 | <mdz> | QMAKE_PROJECT_DEPTH=1 |
| 01:27 | <mdz> | vuud: newegg.com |
| 01:27 | <vuud> | mdz, newegg is out too |
| 01:27 | <mdz> | vuud: In Stock: Yes |
| 01:27 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:27 | <Chutt> | that's funny |
| 01:28 | <vuud> | mdz: where are you looking? |
| 01:29 | <mdz> | vuud: at the PVR 250 |
| 01:29 | <vuud> | mdz, ahhh - I put a corrected line right after (350) |
| 01:29 | <mdz> | vuud: (ETA2/5/2004) |
| 01:29 | <mdz> | you can wait one day |
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| 01:30 | <vuud> | NotFro, I can't. I'm getting the rest of the hardware tomorrow |
| 01:31 | <vuud> | Notfro? I ment no, not really |
| 01:32 | <billytwowilly> | If you have shopper's drug marts where you are they sometimes carry it. |
| 01:32 | <billytwowilly> | They have the pvr-250 in my area for sure. |
| 01:32 | <Chutt> | the world will end if you don't get all your hardware today! |
| 01:33 | <billytwowilly> | Chutt: Don't tempt fate;) |
| 01:33 | <vuud> | heh... It just might |
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| 01:37 | <rkulagow> | captain_murdoch: here? |
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| 01:39 | <Captain_Murdoch> | yeah |
| 01:40 | <rkulagow> | scrollback has gone off the top of my buffer. too much gabbing about big macs. where did you want me to start poking around? |
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| 01:41 | <Captain_Murdoch> | bottom of NuppelVideoPlayer::StartPlaying. I think that's where the code checks for commercial auto-skip and for the cutlist skip. |
| 01:41 | <rkulagow> | let me look. brb. |
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| 01:44 | <Captain_Murdoch> | rkulagow: look for this: if (hasdeletetable && deleteIter.data() == 1 && |
| 01:44 | <rkulagow> | found it. it's 1905. |
| 01:45 | <Captain_Murdoch> | yeah, wasn't sure if we were close enough in cvs checkouts for lines to match. |
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| 01:47 | <Captain_Murdoch> | so that checks to see if there is a cutlist (deleteMap/hasdeletetable) and if the current item pointed to by deleteiter is a start cutpoint and if to it then gets the next cutpoint (++deleteiter) and checks to see if it's the end of the video and if not it jumps to the cutpoint ( which should be a cut endpoint). then it increments again to set deleteiter to the next start cutpoint waiting to pass that position. |
| 01:51 | <rkulagow> | ok, i've got a bunch of cout's and i'm recompiling now. |
| 01:54 | <Captain_Murdoch> | ok, I need to go afk for a while. be back in an hour or so. |
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| 03:13 | robbie | hey all |
| 03:13 | robbie | does anyone knoe if nvidia has fixed the overscan problem in their latest drivers? |
| 03:13 | robbie | or should i just keep using 4363 ? |
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| 03:27 | braindead_mor | | I'm having trouble getting sound to work with .14 under debian unstable/alsa with a SB Live, can anyone help me troubleshoot? |
| 03:27 | robbie | dont use the debian alsa stuff |
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| 03:28 | <braindead_mor | | > I'm not, it is from the alsa-project site |
| 03:31 | robbie | did you turn up the volume |
| 03:31 | robbie | alsa loads with volume set to zero |
| 03:32 | [DOA]Tarkie | robbie, i believe overscan has not been fixed, but im not 100% |
| 03:32 | braindead_mor | | I get sound from alsa, xawtv works fine. WHen I mute the channel and set it to capture... I get zilch from mythtv |
| 03:32 | braindead_mor | | I |
| 03:33 | braindead_mor | | If I leave the channel un-muted i get the sound immediatly (and the video delayed) so it is out of sync |
| 03:33 | [DOA]Tarkie | robbie, you could try asking them here : http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=bdba45fdef4478e1417073429db61e22&forumid=14 |
| 03:34 | braindead_mor | | SOunds like it isn't capturing the channel for some reason |
| 03:36 | robbie | [DOA]Tarkie: ya, just looked, looks like there is no luck :( |
| 03:36 | [DOA]Tarkie | robbie, thought so |
| 03:37 | [DOA]Tarkie | if if ain't broke, don't fix it :) |
| 03:38 | robbie | [DOA]Tarkie: overscan -is- broke :( |
| 03:42 | braindead_mor | | robbie: I guess the short answer is yes, the volume is turned up |
| 03:43 | robbie | shouldnt be distro specific problem, im running unstable and alsa is working |
| 03:44 | braindead_mor | | I'm thinking maybe it is an alsa thing... I can't get arecord to record anything, though I'm not 100% sure what I'm doing with it anyway |
| 03:45 | braindead_mor | | I'm compiling the latest alsa now... Maybe that will help |
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| 03:51 | [DOA]Tarkie | robbie, in 4363? |
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| 04:25 | robbie | [DOA]Tarkie: nope, overscan is fine in 4363, its borken in every one after that |
| 04:25 | robbie | i could try a 2.6 patch i guess |
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| 05:27 | Spida | hi |
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| 05:47 | knight- | damnit ivtv |
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| 06:48 | Spida | where does mythweather get its data? |
| 07:16 | choenig | Spida: http://cvs.mythtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mythweather/mythweather/weather.cpp?rev=1.36&view=auto |
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| 07:16 | Dibblah | msnbc. |
| 07:17 | Dibblah | Hmmm... Use The Source, Luke? |
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| 09:44 | kvandivo | pahli_bar: if you go skiing... you ever been over to paoli peaks in indiana? I'm thinking about going over there sometime in the next few weeks.. tuesdays are buy 1 get 1 free |
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| 10:11 | Spida | my mythgallery only shows "Slideshow" "RotesteCCW" "RotateCW" "Import" and "Settings", all in english, and all in the top-left corner (not skinned). what did I break there? |
| 10:36 | pahli_bar | kvandivo: never been to paoli. |
| 10:36 | pahli_bar | Spida: no icons? |
| 10:37 | pahli_bar | Spida: path to gallery directory correct? |
| 10:37 | Spida | no icons, correct. |
| 10:38 | Spida | every other module has icons, though |
| 10:39 | pahli_bar | Spida: i still don't get what you are exactly trying to say |
| 10:39 | Spida | the gui of the gallery-module is broken |
| 10:39 | Spida | (for me) |
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| 10:39 | pahli_bar | Spida: define broken |
| 10:40 | Spida | it seems to display the internal? names of the functions, but not the names or the icons of the buttons |
| 10:40 | pahli_bar | this is how it should look like: http://mythtv.sourceforge.net/mc/mythgallery.png |
| 10:43 | Spida | pahli_bar: I have these buttons in the top-left corner, but they are neither translated nor themed, just grey text. |
| 10:44 | Spida | and, btw, they don't work. |
| 10:44 | pahli_bar | Spida: did you read the docs? |
| 10:45 | pahli_bar | Spida: from the doc for mythgallery: The controls for MythGallery can be found in the README that comes with the application. |
| 10:47 | Spida | how did you create the screenshot? |
| 10:50 | Spida | pahli_bar: I can't even navigate through mythgallery, not even to import something |
| 10:53 | pahli_bar | Spida: repeating: read the README which came with mythgallery |
| 10:54 | Spida | pahli_bar: how can I Import something when I can't click the import button? I have no cursor... (not just no mouse, but no highligthted buttons for left/right/up/down keys either) |
| 10:55 | Spida | pahli_bar: I think you are not understanding me... |
| 10:55 | Spida | I am trying to get a screenshot |
| 10:55 | pahli_bar | Spida: no you are not listening.... if you read the readme it will say hit "M" for activating the menu on the left |
| 10:58 | Spida | hmpf. ok, I didn't see that even if I read it twice.... sorry. |
| 10:59 | Spida | but still, the menu isn't trasnlated |
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| 11:00 | Snappi | how can I add a shutdown button to mythfronted or is it on in .14??? |
| 11:01 | pahli_bar | Snappi: see the user mailing list archives. |
| 11:02 | pahli_bar | Spida: humpph. i forgot to add translation framework for the menu. will add that |
| 11:02 | Snappi | k |
| 11:02 | Snappi | thx |
| 11:02 | Snappi | pahli_bar u got URL? |
| 11:03 | Spida | pahli_bar: thx |
| 11:03 | pahli_bar | Snappi: http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInfo . at the bottom |
| 11:03 | Snappi | thx |
| 11:05 | Spida | pahli_bar: wouldn't it be better to activate the menu when you start mythgallery? |
| 11:05 | Spida | would be _ALOT_ more intuitive.... |
| 11:06 | pahli_bar | Spida: if you activate the menu all the key presses will go to that. users usually want to navigate/see-pictures more than rotate/import |
| 11:07 | Spida | pahli_bar: ok, perhaps you could activate the menu when there are no pictures in the gallery? |
| 11:07 | pahli_bar | its like the epg in live tv. nobody tells you what the key for that is. you read the docs and find out. or go by intuition where M/Menu is the key for all menus |
| 11:08 | pahli_bar | in mythtv |
| 11:08 | Snappi | pahli_bar still can't find it |
| 11:09 | pahli_bar | Snappi: mailing lists at the bottom of the page. second link for each list |
| 11:09 | Snappi | yes but I can't find it in the list |
| 11:09 | Snappi | *lists |
| 11:09 | Spida | pahli_bar: but I can just import pictures that are on the root-level of all media? |
| 11:10 | pahli_bar | Snappi: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/perl/mailarc/gforum.cgi?guest=2241147&t=search_engine&do=search_results&search_forum=cat_2&search_string=shutdown+button&search_type=AND&search_fields=sb&search_time=&search_user_username=&mh=25 |
| 11:10 | pahli_bar | Snappi: 52 search lists for shutdown buttons. |
| 11:10 | pahli_bar | s/buttons/button |
| 11:11 | Snappi | sry searched for halt |
| 11:11 | Spida | pahli_bar: pictures in subdirectories won't be imported? |
| 11:11 | pahli_bar | Spida: recursively gets all subdirs |
| 11:11 | Spida | hmmm |
| 11:17 | Spida | ok, thx |
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| 12:00 | rkulagow | anyone getting protocol mismatch errors between a remote frontend and the masterbackend with CVS? |
| 12:06 | mdz | rkulagow: the protocol version did change recently...are you sure they're both running exactly the same code? |
| 12:09 | rkulagow | they should be, since i compile on one box and then make install on all the rest from an NFS mount. |
| 12:09 | rkulagow | i' |
| 12:10 | rkulagow | ve just make distcleaned and checking again. |
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| 12:27 | Rroet | hididho |
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| 13:16 | | * meth is away: 36 168.75.196.29:27960 Hottie's 6th Floor Hideaway - 3.2 Urban Terror CTF ut_sliema 0 of 20 |
| 13:17 | mikegrb | meth: damn you are soooo cool how can I be like you |
| 13:19 | Chutt | pahli_bar, translations for the btnlisttype? |
| 13:20 | thor__ | is there something equivalent to select() for ioctl() ? |
| 13:20 | DogBoy | hehe |
| 13:21 | thor__ | more directly, there must be some way to have a drive tell me it's media has changed, rather than asking it every 5 seconds |
| 13:21 | thor__ | its |
| 13:22 | Chutt | thor, nothing standard |
| 13:22 | thor__ | crap |
| 13:22 | thor__ | well, at least the MEDIA_CHANGED question imposes almost no cost ... but it's still annoying |
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| 13:48 | mdz | thor__: you might be able to do it with hotplug these days |
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| 13:49 | quink | hey, i think there is a problem with mythvideo. it loads up and all, but the way it loads it loads behind hte mythtv window |
| 13:50 | thor__ | quink, fix your wm focus policy |
| 13:51 | thor__ | mdz, but not everyone has hotplug up and running ... or would they ? |
| 13:51 | quink | well isn't myth set to be on top by default? |
| 13:51 | mdz | thor__: if they don't, they should |
| 13:51 | quink | i have been using E, so maybe its time to switch wm |
| 13:51 | thor__ | well isn't your wm set up to do silly things? |
| 13:51 | mdz | if they use USB, they can't do much without it |
| 13:52 | quink | not really. the focus settings stay with the active window until a mouse click |
| 13:52 | thor__ | hmmm ... maybe check for hotplug, fallback on polling ... |
| 13:53 | thor__ | quink, there is little point in arguing about it, as your video is not coming up in the right place, ergo your wm is not doing what _you_ want it to do |
| 13:53 | quink | yes i know |
| 13:53 | quink | i wasn't arguing. |
| 13:53 | thor__ | oh, sorry, this is getting hit on the head lessons in here |
| 13:53 | mdz | your window manager has the final say about where to place and stack windows |
| 13:54 | quink | yeah i was just agreeing. didn't mean to make it sound like i was unable to understand what you said |
| 13:54 | quink | what window manager do you use? |
| 13:54 | mdz | oh, sorry. this is abuse |
| 13:54 | mdz | you want room 12A |
| 13:54 | mdz | I use fvwm |
| 13:54 | thor__ | I'm sorry but I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid |
| 13:55 | thor__ | (hummdy hum hum hum) |
| 13:55 | quink | heh fvwm....ghetto |
| 13:56 | mdz | yes, so ghetto that it works, while your setup doesn't |
| 13:57 | quink | :P |
| 13:57 | quink | i need to work on that and fix my recording profiles |
| 13:57 | mdz | this is a set top application. you want a window manager that stays out of your way |
| 13:57 | quink | yeah |
| 13:58 | mdz | E is the polar opposite |
| 13:58 | quink | good point. |
| 13:58 | quink | btw, i know you guys will say read the docs, i have, but what does 'transcode after recording' do? if you set your profiles, let say the default one, doesn't it use that setting to encode it? |
| 13:59 | thor__ | read the docs |
| 13:59 | thor__ | :-) |
| 13:59 | quink | i did. |
| 13:59 | quink | back to front |
| 13:59 | quink | and hte mailing list. |
| 13:59 | quink | its still very ambiguous in my mind. |
| 13:59 | thor__ | you have a PVR-x50 ? |
| 13:59 | quink | no. |
| 13:59 | quink | bttv |
| 14:00 | thor__ | then it's not really of much use to you |
| 14:00 | quink | ah. |
| 14:00 | thor__ | unless you want to pull out commercials for archiving |
| 14:00 | quink | gonna upgrade to pvr soon. |
| 14:00 | thor__ | bt's make smaller files |
| 14:00 | thor__ | PVR-x50's have nice encoding quality |
| 14:01 | thor__ | transcoding let's you start out with PVR-x50 nice quality, and end up with bt-like smaller files |
| 14:01 | rkulagow | ok, that's nuts. i've make distcleaned, and the frontend and backend are still fighting over PROTO_VERSION. |
| 14:01 | rkulagow | 2004-02-05 12:32:52 MainServer::HandleVersion - Client speaks protocol version 2 but we speak 1! |
| 14:01 | rkulagow | 2004-02-05 12:32:52 12 REJECT[]:[]1 |
| 14:01 | quink | yeah. my problem at the moment, specially for live tv, is if i set the encoding too high, things get choppy(yes dma is on and i have a fast proc), but if i go too low it looks like shit. When i do recording, i get huge files that are low quality |
| 14:01 | mdz | rkulagow: your backend is not running the same version of code as your frontend |
| 14:01 | mdz | rkulagow: the protocol changed from 1 to 2 |
| 14:02 | rkulagow | i'm trying to figure out why that's happening, since i've make installed from a single compile source. |
| 14:02 | rkulagow | right, and i can see that myth_proto is set in mythcontext.h |
| 14:02 | thor__ | quink, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-21.html#ss21.13 |
| 14:02 | mdz | rkulagow: maybe the code you compiled is not the same as the code that you're running? |
| 14:02 | quink | holy smokes i never saw that |
| 14:02 | rkulagow | wait, i wonder if i've got an extra mythbackend hiding somewhere. |
| 14:02 | quink | i went from the docs on the front page all teh way down |
| 14:02 | thor__ | rkulagow, /usr/lib/* versus /usr/local/lib/* |
| 14:03 | thor__ | ? |
| 14:03 | Chutt | probably from when mdz made his changes to settings.pro |
| 14:05 | Chutt | hrmph |
| 14:05 | thor__ | mmx? |
| 14:05 | mdz | if qmake had any useful documentation, I wouldn't have to do that |
| 14:05 | Chutt | lack of a mmx divide is going to kill my hopes of text blending |
| 14:05 | Chutt | well, unless i want inaccurate alpha |
| 14:06 | thor__ | PROJECT_DEPTH_SPECIAL_UNDOCUMENTED_FLAG=7 |
| 14:06 | mdz | mmx has to have bitshifting at least, that's close enough :-P |
| 14:07 | thor__ | knowing nothing about text blending and even less (if that's possible) about mmx, recipricol multiplication ? |
| 14:07 | mdz | thor__: mmx operates on integers I think |
| 14:07 | thor__ | heh |
| 14:07 | Chutt | arbitrary value |
| 14:07 | Chutt | and it's only ints |
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| 14:08 | Chutt | using a lookup table puts it back to barely better than the c version |
| 14:08 | thor__ | pure assembler bit shift ? (I'm practically making this up) |
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| 14:09 | Chutt | i'd bit shift if i was dealing with ints :p |
| 14:09 | thor__ | looping subtraction |
| 14:09 | thor__ | (I'll shut up now) |
| 14:13 | rkulagow | agh, that was it. had a version in /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib. |
| 14:13 | mdz | SSE and 3dnow support division |
| 14:15 | Chutt | right, but i'm writing for something that'll work on my epia-m :p |
| 14:15 | mdz | I thought that thing broke |
| 14:16 | Chutt | naw, i just wish it did |
| 14:16 | quink | any of you have an fvwm config file you'd want to share so my lazy ass doesn't have to do anything ? |
| 14:16 | mdz | quink: contrib dir in the source |
| 14:16 | quink | heh |
| 14:16 | quink | i don't see the source use gentoo, but i'll get me a copy thanks |
| 14:17 | mdz | that needs to go in a fortune file somewhere |
| 14:17 | quink | my last day off before the new semester of school starts. gotta get the remote working and tweak this mythtv thing :) |
| 14:17 | mikegrb | quink: you can get that file from viewcvs on the mythtv site |
| 14:18 | mdz | you're using a distribution whose only claim to usefulness is access to the source code |
| 14:18 | mdz | and you don't have the source? |
| 14:18 | quink | yeah but i don't see it |
| 14:18 | mdz | it had to download it in order to install mythtv |
| 14:19 | quink | yes, but it takes care of it for me |
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| 14:22 | richard_ | Finally got mythtv working , but no program schedule.. (when i hit "i" it just shows a blank bar) and up/down arrow don't change channels (the screen frezzes for a moment then continues on the current channel) Any ideas? |
| 14:22 | quink | mythfilldatabase |
| 14:23 | richard_ | Error in 1:1: unexpected end of file |
| 14:23 | richard_ | Data is already present for Thu Feb 5 2004, skipping |
| 14:23 | richard_ | Sais it has it... |
| 14:23 | quink | it won't work until you get mythfilldatabase correctly |
| 14:23 | richard_ | how can i tell if it is correct? |
| 14:23 | quink | ummmm |
| 14:23 | Chutt | richard, see topic. |
| 14:24 | richard_ | doh |
| 14:24 | richard_ | sorry, dev chanel i guess eh? |
| 14:24 | Chutt | yup. |
| 14:25 | richard_ | off to mythtv-users I go, sorry all |
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| 14:41 | lmatter | anyone else seeing a memory leak with mythgallery (0.14)? |
| 14:41 | lmatter | I'm still tracking it down, but just wanted to check on other's experience. |
| 14:42 | thor__ | valgrind with leak check on, send results to -dev ? |
| 14:43 | lmatter | er, a bit tricky for me, as I'm running a custom "lite" distro, but I'll try to get that included and get back to you. |
| 14:43 | lmatter | didn't want to go through the effort if it was already known |
| 14:43 | thor__ | not that I'm aware of, ask pahli_bar when he's around |
| 14:43 | lmatter | ok will do. |
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| 14:50 | pahli_bar | here |
| 14:50 | pahli_bar | what's up lmatter |
| 14:52 | lmatter | pahli_bar, I'm seeing memory sucked up when using mythgallery. Frontend even crashed with a VM error when I left it running a slideshow. |
| 14:52 | lmatter | I'm still investigating but wanted to see if it was a known issue. |
| 14:53 | pahli_bar | lmatter: not that i'm aware of. |
| 14:53 | lmatter | ok, I'll keep digging and send to the dev list. |
| 14:53 | pahli_bar | lmatter: slideshow as in regular ones or opengl ones? |
| 14:53 | lmatter | regular. |
| 14:53 | pahli_bar | lmatter: how long before things break |
| 14:54 | lmatter | less than 30 minutes, I had stepped away so didn't time it exactly. |
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| 14:54 | quink_ | well fvwm is nicer for myth |
| 14:54 | pahli_bar | ok. i thought i had valgrinded it. i will check again |
| 14:55 | lmatter | I had it on random transitions, I'll check each one. |
| 14:55 | quink_ | and now i can watch movies, though mplayer does not respond to any keyboard command |
| 14:55 | thor__ | change your focus |
| 14:56 | quink_ | i used hte example file |
| 14:56 | Chutt | pahli_bar, first line of SingleView::loadImage() |
| 14:56 | racer | pahli: i installed a new mythtv machine but the transitions don't work |
| 14:56 | lmatter | pahli_bar, it might not be mythgallery, but maybe X. I'm using the latest EPIA patches, etc. |
| 14:56 | pahli_bar | Chutt: just saw that. |
| 14:57 | Dibblah | is it possible that mythgallery is leaking file / inode handles? I'm seeing a difficulty umounting a mounted FS after mythgallery has failed to open a number of images (permissions errors) |
| 14:57 | | * pahli_bar beats self with a broom |
| 14:57 | racer | pahlie: what do i need to install to get the opengl transitions |
| 14:57 | pahli_bar | lmatter: found the problem |
| 14:57 | lmatter | ok, cool. Let me know if you want me to try a patch. |
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| 14:58 | Chutt | pahli_bar, how are you going to do the translation stuff for the button list? |
| 14:58 | pahli_bar | lmatter: line 407 in singleview.cpp. change if (!m_pixmap) to if (m_pixmap) |
| 14:58 | pahli_bar | Chutt: tr should do it. |
| 14:59 | Dibblah | racer: Did you install from source? |
| 14:59 | Chutt | right, but you need to compare the actions against a list later on |
| 14:59 | pahli_bar | Chutt: only i have to make sure to do a == with the tr ed string |
| 14:59 | racer | yes |
| 14:59 | racer | dibblah |
| 14:59 | Dibblah | racer: what did you tell configure to do? |
| 14:59 | Chutt | i was thinking you may want instead to have a list of actions/item text |
| 14:59 | Chutt | instead of just the item text being the action |
| 14:59 | racer | oops, sorry iknow the problem!!! :( |
| 14:59 | Dibblah | racer: ;) |
| 14:59 | racer | heh |
| 15:00 | pahli_bar | Chutt: could do that too. i have actually changed the uilisttype quite a bit. and so can you pointer pairs |
| 15:00 | pahli_bar | s/you/use |
| 15:00 | Chutt | just might be a little cleaner, is all |
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| 15:00 | Zeiss | Two questions: Will MythTV run OK on my (somewhat old) Diamond Viper 550 video out card? |
| 15:01 | pahli_bar | Chutt: yup. i just finished modifying (local copy of) mythnews to sync with the changes. will start hacking on mythgallery now |
| 15:01 | Chutt | cool. |
| 15:02 | Zeiss | As in, is there any real advantage to using an accellerated video card with MythTV? |
| 15:02 | Zeiss | Or will any reasonably fast unaccellerated card work> |
| 15:02 | Zeiss | ? |
| 15:02 | pahli_bar | Zeiss: see the topic. |
| 15:02 | Morph | Zeiss: note the topic. |
| 15:02 | Zeiss | Oh. OK. |
| 15:02 | Chutt | zeiss, see topic. |
| 15:03 | thor__ | where do I find the topic? |
| 15:03 | pahli_bar | lol |
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| 15:05 | Morph | there is no spoon...er topic. |
| 15:05 | pahli_bar | lmatter: let me know if that fixed the problem |
| 15:05 | Zeiss | And, since this is not user support, it is improper to ask where the user support channel is. :) |
| 15:05 | Chutt | mailing lists. |
| 15:05 | pahli_bar | or #mythtv-users |
| 15:06 | lmatter | pahli_bar, trying it now. I'll let it run for a bit and watch the size. |
| 15:08 | lmatter | pahli_bar, looks better already |
| 15:10 | pahli_bar | good to hear that. |
| 15:10 | pahli_bar | lmatter: thanks for reporting it |
| 15:11 | pahli_bar | that sucks big time. now 0.14 is out with this buggy mythgallery |
| 15:11 | thor__ | been there, done that |
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| 15:13 | Dibblah | Is it a leak just within the module, or is it persistent? |
| 15:14 | lmatter | pahli_bar, I'm running top and looking at %MEM, it's up and down (37-69%) but it seems to have a ceiling. |
| 15:14 | lmatter | pahli_bar, I'll let it run a while and let you know. |
| 15:14 | pahli_bar | Dibblah: leak within the module. but as modules "become" part of the main app, its going to be persistent |
| 15:15 | Dibblah | Ok. |
| 15:17 | pahli_bar | Chutt: possible to update the tarball on the website with the fix? |
| 15:17 | Chutt | pain to do so |
| 15:18 | Chutt | if the binary packages are using the opengl stuff, i'd say leave it as is |
| 15:19 | pahli_bar | Chutt: ok. maybe i will send out a mail to the mailing lists asking people to stick to the opengl slideshows |
| 15:19 | Chutt | or just update to cvs mythgallery |
| 15:19 | Chutt | should be compatible, i think |
| 15:19 | Chutt | well, until you get your uitype changes in =) |
| 15:19 | pahli_bar | Chutt: should be. just one change |
| 15:19 | pahli_bar | heh. that too. forgot about that one |
| 15:20 | pahli_bar | pvr 350 users are not going to happy |
| 15:21 | Chutt | hm? |
| 15:21 | pahli_bar | opengl runs like molasses on the ivtv fb X (atleast according to a user report) |
| 15:22 | Chutt | ah, yeah |
| 15:34 | lmatter | pahli_bar, it's been almost 30 mins and hasn't gone above 69%. Looks good. Wife loves it, btw, nice work. |
| 15:35 | pahli_bar | lmatter: thanks. wish though i hadn't made that stupid mistake. |
| 15:36 | thor__ | hah, that's nothing: http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=81 |
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| 15:52 | Chutt | sfr, hey |
| 15:52 | sfr | Chutt: hi |
| 15:52 | Chutt | have you updated to cvs recently? |
| 15:52 | Chutt | i think i fixed your 'backend going to 100% cpu' problem |
| 15:53 | sfr | Chutt: cool. no, my last resync was just before the 0.14 release. i wont have time to resync until...hm... next weekend probably. |
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| 15:54 | Chutt | ah, ok |
| 15:55 | | * steelep wonders how difficult it will be to make mythtvideo support atomfilms hi-def, might be basically impossible due to licensing |
| 15:55 | sfr | but i also updated to ivtv 0.1.9 and haven't noticed the problem yet again. |
| 15:55 | Chutt | well, it's only after channel changing with a pvr-x50 in live-tv |
| 15:55 | Chutt | is what i fixed, at least |
| 15:55 | sfr | sounds very much like what i experienced. |
| 15:56 | Chutt | problem was libavformat's index builder |
| 15:56 | kvandivo | crazy libavformat index builder.. you can't trust it for anything. |
| 15:56 | Chutt | well, instead of using a list or whatnot to hold the gop indices |
| 15:57 | Chutt | they used a static array |
| 15:57 | kvandivo | oops |
| 15:57 | kvandivo | but it worked every time they tested it! |
| 15:57 | Chutt | and for inserting in the middle, it just realloced and memmoved things |
| 15:57 | sfr | aha ;) /me doesn't have a glue what an index builder is in video encoding |
| 15:57 | Chutt | so after a channel change, the pvr-x50 resets the timestamp to zero |
| 15:58 | Chutt | and libavformat started inserting at the beginning of its array |
| 15:58 | Chutt | if there's enough data in the array, moving all that memory around takes a lot of time |
| 15:58 | Chutt | silliness |
| 15:59 | sfr | can a lot mean a couple of minutes? |
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| 15:59 | Chutt | yeah, it'd keep getting longer and longer |
| 15:59 | kvandivo | yet another reason to not actually watch live tv, in my book |
| 15:59 | Chutt | bah, i fixed it :p |
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| 16:00 | sfr | hrm, actually it is/was my remote frontend using more cpu |
| 16:00 | Chutt | same thing would happen on the frontend |
| 16:00 | Chutt | after a channel change |
| 16:00 | sfr | ah ok. |
| 16:00 | Chiphead | anyone recall where the comercial editor code is? or a key word I can grep? |
| 16:00 | Chutt | NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp |
| 16:00 | Chiphead | thc |
| 16:00 | Chiphead | thx |
| 16:02 | jams | Are the kerneldeint and linearblend the only deinterlacing filters available? |
| 16:04 | sfr | next item on my ask-Chutt-to-fix-list: get my 2nd tuner (a h/w mjpeg tuner card) working again. somehow whenever the 1st tuner (a pvr350) is recording and i try to watch tv, the frontend fails to connect to the backend. i probably should post the log files on the -users list. |
| 16:04 | Chutt | weird |
| 16:05 | sfr | one of the frontend messages is 'audio buffers lost'. |
| 16:06 | Chutt | does the mjpeg tuner work if the pvr-350's disabled? |
| 16:09 | jams | It seems the only way I can get a smooth picture is to use xvmc via tvout and let my tv do the deinterlacing. However doing this cause a loss of quality for dvd, any suggestions on how to get clear smooth picture ? |
| 16:09 | sfr | i haven't tried that (yet). i checked it with xawtv and it also failed, so i switched back to the latest released driver and then xawtv worked again, but not mythtv. as i said i won't have much time in the next weeks but will do more debugging on this issue. I _think_ it all started with the change from QSocket to QSocketDevice in iirc util.cpp back in December. |
| 16:17 | Spida | where can I get help on how to get nxtvepg to work? |
| 16:18 | sfr | www.google.de ;) |
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| 16:19 | Spida | sfr: I have had this help for +-3hours now... |
| 16:19 | sfr | Spida: -> #mythtv-users. what's not working? |
| 16:23 | pahli_bar | Chutt: looks like the new uilistbtntype and scrolldialog are ready(read usable). screenshot of a dummy test here: https://pooh.tam.uiuc.edu/sshot.png |
| 16:23 | thor__ | hot diggity |
| 16:24 | Chutt | neat |
| 16:24 | Chutt | tri-state checks? |
| 16:24 | pahli_bar | not very visible? |
| 16:24 | Chutt | eh, not sure |
| 16:24 | Spida | sfr: I have a hauppauge pvr350. as I understand, this card is generally compatible with nxtvepg. is that right? |
| 16:24 | Chutt | yeah, it's good |
| 16:25 | pahli_bar | ok will ramp up the grayscale on that a bit |
| 16:25 | thor__ | the /\ \/ at the bottom for PageUp PageDown |
| 16:25 | thor__ | ? |
| 16:25 | pahli_bar | for scrolling through and active list. shows if you reached the ends of the list |
| 16:25 | thor__ | ah |
| 16:25 | thor__ | got you |
| 16:25 | pahli_bar | s/and/an |
| 16:25 | sfr | Spida: yes, but the driver support for vbi is still in development. i'd before trying to use it. |
| 16:26 | sfr | i'd wait... that is |
| 16:26 | thor__ | this thing understand GenericTree 's ? |
| 16:26 | pahli_bar | thor__: heh no. |
| 16:26 | Spida | sfr: what can I do without nxtvepg? |
| 16:26 | thor__ | could be a drop in replacement if it did .... hmmm |
| 16:26 | pahli_bar | thor__: its only a dummy module i created for testing. |
| 16:27 | thor__ | still, looks very sweet |
| 16:27 | Chutt | yeah |
| 16:27 | Chutt | i like it |
| 16:27 | pahli_bar | thor__: not sure if i should make a generictree type or do everything on the module side |
| 16:27 | Spida | sfr: I have no channel data, so mythbackend doesn't start, and with mythbackend down, I have no tv. (Or did I understand anything wrong?) |
| 16:27 | sfr | Spida: there is/are some perl scripts available. i use the one for prisma-online. |
| 16:27 | pahli_bar | thor__: problem is each uitype is independent of each other |
| 16:28 | thor__ | heh, cut 'n paste |
| 16:28 | sfr | Spida: update to 0.14 and use the channel editor to set up your channels |
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