| --- | Log | opened Mon Feb 02 00:00:23 2004 |
| 00:02 | <Morph> | QDateTime::fromString: Parameter out of range |
| 00:02 | <Morph> | hmm. |
| 00:02 | <Chutt> | morph, you'll get that when there's no program data |
| 00:03 | <Morph> | okay.. |
| 00:03 | <Morph> | and it wont change channels until there is data? |
| 00:03 | <Chutt> | it should change channels once the channel table is populated |
| 00:03 | <Chutt> | it'll just complain with that error message if the program table is empty |
| 00:03 | <Chutt> | captain_murdoch, dunno |
| 00:04 | <Morph> | okay. thanks. |
| 00:04 | <Chutt> | captain_murdoch, i can see both ways not working |
| 00:04 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | what do you thinkn about changing it to use the video window aspect ratio if the frontend is running in a window. (the RunFrontendInWindow setting is true) |
| 00:04 | <Chutt> | is there a toggle for the aspect ratio code, though? |
| 00:05 | <Chutt> | could just be a setting, or, i guess that could work =) |
| 00:05 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | you mean the 4:3 vs 16:9 key? |
| 00:05 | <Chutt> | i thought there was a setting to totally ignore the display aspect |
| 00:05 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | currently it sets it according to the window width/height in mm. I'll check to see if I see anything that ignores the aspect. |
| 00:07 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 00:08 | <Chutt> | it's if xinerama is enabled, it ignores the display size in mm |
| 00:08 | * | Morph curses digital cable and its hundreds to channels |
| 00:08 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | currently it calls X functions to get the display width & height in MM and if either of those are 0 or if it's using xinerama then it uses the video aspect. |
| 00:08 | <Chutt> | i wouldn't have a problem with adding a check for the frontend running in a window to that test |
| 00:09 | <overridex> | kind of a dumb/weird question - but is there anyway to add a delay to mythtv changing the channel? so that it calls the change-channel script and waits a second before it rebuffers and stuff, to give the set-top box a chance to change? |
| 00:09 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | ok. I'll set it to make sure it works. I don't see how noone has complained because it seems like anyone with a non 4:3 display would have a problem running windowed. |
| 00:24 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | that fixes my problem, but I still think something is weird with the aspect ratio code. the black bars it was making were too large. from videooutbase.cpp "n.b. assumes aspect < 1.4 is 4:3 and > 1.4 is 16:9; other aspect ratios wil cause incorrect results" that's probably why... |
| 00:26 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | yep, it's shrinking the image as if my display was 16:9. black bar widths match. even hoses it up when I run full-screen. |
| 00:27 | <McQuaid> | i have the access denied using pass NO error after updating to .14 |
| 00:28 | <McQuaid> | i've been googling on this and see quite a few other people with the problem but not a clear answer |
| 00:28 | <McQuaid> | can someone explain to me how to fix this? |
| 00:45 | <FryGuy> | is the mythweb author here right now? |
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| 00:46 | <mikegrb> | doubtful |
| 00:54 | <FryGuy> | ok I'll just post this to the list then |
| 00:57 | <kslater> | location of stuff change in .14? |
| 00:58 | <kslater> | I haven't done a cvs update since 12/31/03, but I read the commits list. Seems like it can't find the other plugins now.. |
| 01:08 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | when did you sync up? |
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| 01:18 | * | Captain_Murdoch_ thinks the recent cursor changes in Myth have caused the cursor to disappear whenever his mouse is over the root window in X. |
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| 01:29 | <__Da5iD__> | is there a way to take snapshots in mythgame (mame games) and have them show up when you exit? |
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| 02:32 | <paulc35> | Is there a way to do setup remotely? I was re-doing setup and forgot to "attached" the video source to a card input |
| 02:32 | <sfr> | setup works via ssh -X |
| 02:33 | <paulc35> | I'm on a windows machine now, using a ssh client...can't do it that way, can I? |
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| 02:34 | <paulc35> | maybe the client has an "-X" option? I'll check it out, or try a different client |
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| 02:34 | <sfr> | install vnc server on the remote machine |
| 02:35 | <paulc35> | is that a Debian package? |
| 02:35 | <sfr> | apt-cache search vnc |
| 02:35 | <paulc35> | yeah..ok, thx..and then? |
| 02:35 | <paulc35> | read help for vnc?! :) |
| 02:40 | <Uberbot> | Can anyone tell me how mythtv looks on a widescreen? |
| 02:40 | <Uberbot> | Will I have "widescreen capability?" |
| 02:40 | <o_cee> | no |
| 02:40 | <o_cee> | not in the menus |
| 02:40 | <o_cee> | you need to use something like Superwide (Toshiba) |
| 02:40 | <Uberbot> | Will I be able to play wide dvd streams? |
| 02:40 | <o_cee> | yeah, why not |
| 02:41 | <Uberbot> | Assuming a Haupauge 350. |
| 02:41 | <Uberbot> | (sp?) |
| 02:41 | <o_cee> | havent tried it |
| 02:41 | <o_cee> | but there's a patch floating around for mplayer |
| 02:41 | <hadees> | hey i got irrecord to work but now irw says it can't connect to socket and so does irxevent |
| 02:41 | <Uberbot> | Good enough for me. |
| 02:41 | <o_cee> | Uberbot: :) |
| 02:41 | <Uberbot> | So, it won't look hideous on the wide screen. |
| 02:42 | <hadees> | anyone know what i am missing? |
| 02:42 | <o_cee> | Uberbot: nah |
| 02:42 | <RroetZzZz> | moin |
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| 02:42 | <Uberbot> | Good. |
| 02:42 | <Uberbot> | My WIFE wants a pvr..... <grin> |
| 02:42 | <o_cee> | :) |
| 02:42 | * | o_cee is away: breakfast |
| 02:42 | <Uberbot> | Any pointers for a nice chassis? |
| 02:42 | * | Slaytanic is also having breakfast, not with o_cee though :) |
| 02:43 | <Uberbot> | Want it to look like a stereo component. |
| 02:43 | <Slaytanic> | Uberbot: Antec Overture is pretty nice, so is Asus pundit. |
| 02:43 | <Slaytanic> | Check www.HTPCnews.com |
| 02:43 | <Uberbot> | Cool. I'll look into these pointers. |
| 02:44 | <Uberbot> | Thanx. |
| 02:44 | <hadees> | Uberbot: http://www.atechfabrication.com/products/HTPC_case.htm |
| 02:44 | <Uberbot> | Gotta be BLACK! |
| 02:44 | <hadees> | the nicest htpc avalible |
| 02:44 | <hadees> | however not cheap |
| 02:44 | <Uberbot> | I'm looking.... |
| 02:45 | <hadees> | they also sell it in black |
| 02:45 | <Uberbot> | Damned nice chassis! |
| 02:45 | <o_cee> | my homemade case looks better and is defenately more quiet |
| 02:45 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | god, you aint kiddin |
| 02:46 | <Uberbot> | $375 kinda hurts though. |
| 02:46 | <hadees> | o_cee: how do you know it is more quiet? |
| 02:46 | <Uberbot> | Tell me about your homemade case. |
| 02:46 | <o_cee> | hadees: i see at least 4 fans, i have two small ones. |
| 02:46 | <hadees> | there are only two fans in the case |
| 02:46 | <Uberbot> | I don't even need local drives..... |
| 02:47 | <hadees> | and small fans at that |
| 02:47 | <o_cee> | hadees: as i said, i see 4 fans there |
| 02:47 | <o_cee> | Uberbot: i'll fix some pictures some day |
| 02:47 | <Uberbot> | I might have one hard drive. |
| 02:48 | <Uberbot> | I can't wait. I built the stereo rack. I can probably manage a case. <grin> |
| 02:48 | <o_cee> | the hardware in that case isn't really linux friendly :/ |
| 02:48 | <Uberbot> | Oh? |
| 02:48 | <Uberbot> | The plasma display? |
| 02:49 | <o_cee> | Radeon and Holo3d |
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| 02:50 | <Uberbot> | Huh? I thought it was just a chassis. |
| 02:50 | <hadees> | o_cee: the fan on left is from the powersupply and the slot on far right is a passive heat sync for a video card |
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| 02:50 | <hadees> | sink |
| 02:50 | <Uberbot> | Ok. |
| 02:52 | <hadees> | Uberbot: if your good with soder i heard of a few people who bought broken recivers off ebay and hooked up the buttons on the front to thier computer |
| 02:53 | <hadees> | Uberbot: also a good place to look for cases is avsforum.com in thier htpc forums |
| 02:53 | <Uberbot> | I can solder. |
| 02:53 | <Uberbot> | I can also cut steel, plastic, etc. |
| 02:54 | <Uberbot> | But if I build a case, I don't want it to look "homemade." You know what I mean? |
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| 02:56 | <hadees> | Uberbot: try a broken reciever and see if you can do anything with it |
| 02:56 | <Uberbot> | So, what types of functionality did they create for the buttons on these broken receivers? |
| 02:56 | <Uberbot> | Fishing for ideas. |
| 02:57 | <hadees> | well most people use windows, i think they did like change channels and volume |
| 02:57 | <hadees> | just the basics incase you can't find your remote |
| 02:57 | <Uberbot> | Ok. Might be able to hack an old keyboard.... |
| 02:58 | <Uberbot> | I was thinking of a wireless kbd/mouse..... |
| 02:58 | <Uberbot> | Any thoughts? |
| 02:58 | <hadees> | i would use a keyboard emulator thing, i can't remember the name of it |
| 02:58 | <hadees> | they use them for mame cabinets |
| 02:58 | <Uberbot> | Just hack a keyboard so that the >> button results in a "p" being sent to the computer? |
| 02:59 | <Uberbot> | For example. |
| 02:59 | <hadees> | i know lots of mame cabinets do that also but from my reading up on that topic there have been quite a few problems with keys being sent all of a sudden |
| 02:59 | <hadees> | for no reason |
| 03:01 | <Uberbot> | That's why I ask otherwise stupid sounding questions. Thanx. |
| 03:01 | <Uberbot> | Ok. sounds like wireless kbd/mouse. |
| 03:01 | <Uberbot> | My wife got me a multi-function remote control for xmas. Has a pvr icon. |
| 03:01 | <Uberbot> | How likely am I to get ircd to work with this new remote? |
| 03:02 | <hadees> | i say fairly likely |
| 03:02 | <Uberbot> | Really? I barely got it to compile on my laptop. Configuring it was.... ugly. |
| 03:02 | <Uberbot> | Was hoping to use my laptop for the ULTIMATE remote. |
| 03:03 | <Uberbot> | Never got it to work. I was kinda brain-dead, tho. |
| 03:03 | <hadees> | well i am waiting for the thor's mfd to get better and then i might take a crack at writing a plugin for netremote.org |
| 03:04 | <Uberbot> | thor's mfd? |
| 03:04 | <hadees> | i think it is called mfd |
| 03:04 | <Uberbot> | I'm looking at netremote now. Never heard of it. |
| 03:04 | <hadees> | well it is windows only |
| 03:05 | <Uberbot> | I'm trying to get away from windoze. My wife uses it for Quicken. |
| 03:05 | <Uberbot> | Otherwise, we are a Linux shop. |
| 03:05 | <Uberbot> | Oh, and my 3 year old has a '95 machine. |
| 03:05 | <Uberbot> | But that doesn't count. <grin> |
| 03:06 | <Uberbot> | Any issues with trying to read/write media from the pvr to a fileserver over the network? |
| 03:06 | <Uberbot> | 100Mb switched, at least. |
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| 03:06 | <hadees> | i haven't had problems |
| 03:07 | <Uberbot> | Wow. This is good news. Since the mb's I'm going to buy have a GigE port on them.... <evil grin> |
| 03:07 | <hadees> | what do you plan on doing? |
| 03:07 | <Uberbot> | Video, mp3, |
| 03:07 | <hadees> | also i don't know if you know or not you can slipt up mythtv now, into a backend and a frontend |
| 03:07 | <Uberbot> | I'd like to record a show at night and watch it the next day, for example. |
| 03:08 | <hadees> | so if you want you could really use just an xbox as the frontend |
| 03:08 | <Uberbot> | Really? |
| 03:08 | <hadees> | and but the noisier backend that does all the recording somewhere else |
| 03:08 | <o_cee> | xbox is noisy as hell |
| 03:08 | <o_cee> | if you don't replace the fan |
| 03:08 | <Uberbot> | I don't mind a bit of noise. |
| 03:09 | <o_cee> | while watching tv? |
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| 03:09 | <Uberbot> | I'll deal with that as it becomes an issue. |
| 03:09 | <Uberbot> | I think I want some horsepower near the TV, though. |
| 03:09 | <Uberbot> | May want to play vid games, for example. |
| 03:09 | <hadees> | o_cee: you think the xbox is to noisy, i know i can hear it but never been a problem |
| 03:09 | <o_cee> | and no, you won't need gigabit ethernet for watching tv, 10mbit is fine |
| 03:10 | <o_cee> | hadees: mine is very loud.. maybe there's different versions of them |
| 03:10 | <Uberbot> | This is good to know. |
| 03:10 | <Uberbot> | I was just worried that the vid would skip if it ran out of bandwidth. |
| 03:10 | <o_cee> | yeah but you don't use that high bitrate anyway |
| 03:10 | <o_cee> | on the video |
| 03:10 | <Uberbot> | I really don't know what the backplane speed is on my switch. |
| 03:10 | <Uberbot> | I see. |
| 03:11 | <Uberbot> | I was thinking about 1Gb an hour? |
| 03:11 | <Uberbot> | Close? |
| 03:11 | <hadees> | Uberbot: does your laptop have tvout? |
| 03:11 | <Uberbot> | S-vid. Yes. |
| 03:11 | <o_cee> | you do the math.. 100mbit video for example.. would be.. 4,5gb / hour i think |
| 03:11 | <Uberbot> | Point taken. |
| 03:11 | <o_cee> | no, 45 gb |
| 03:11 | <o_cee> | :) |
| 03:12 | <Uberbot> | video is 45Gb / hour? |
| 03:12 | <hadees> | Uberbot: you can put mythtv-frontend on your laptop and then any tv without a mythtv frontend in your house you can just hook your laptop up to |
| 03:12 | <o_cee> | so 1-2gb/hour is no problem over 10mbit |
| 03:12 | <o_cee> | Uberbot: if you'd record at 100mbit |
| 03:12 | <o_cee> | wich you can't anyway |
| 03:12 | <Uberbot> | I mis-understood. Clear now. |
| 03:12 | <o_cee> | :) |
| 03:12 | * | o_cee is away: work |
| 03:13 | <o_cee> | does a fanless epia handle mpeg2 without using the cle266? |
| 03:13 | <Uberbot> | Hadees, in that case, I could just use the laptop front end to control the backend without plugging into the TV, right? |
| 03:13 | <o_cee> | Uberbot: the backend has the tv-tuners |
| 03:13 | <o_cee> | and the hd's |
| 03:14 | <Uberbot> | Yup. So I could install the front end on all of the machines in the house.... Have a single backend near the TV. |
| 03:14 | <Uberbot> | Is there, by chance, a web interface? |
| 03:14 | <o_cee> | yes. mythweb |
| 03:14 | <Uberbot> | This will be TOO cool. |
| 03:14 | <o_cee> | wich is on the homepage |
| 03:15 | <Uberbot> | I'll just do that, then. |
| 03:16 | <Uberbot> | Hey, you guys have been really helpfull. Thanx. |
| 03:16 | <o_cee> | np |
| 03:17 | <Uberbot> | Hadees, I see your a fellow gentoo user. |
| 03:21 | <Uberbot> | Well, gotta go. |
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| 03:51 | <Spida> | hi |
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| 04:44 | <Aridhol> | does the mythfrontend need to be running for shows to record? |
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| 04:45 | <choenig> | Aridhol: nope |
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| 04:47 | <Aridhol> | cool |
| 04:59 | <Slaytanic> | I'm having trouble adjusting the subtitle size in ~/.mplayer/config, has anyone a working example to share? I can choose the position, but I can't seem to change the size of the subs... :/ |
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| 05:31 | <Spida> | I have myth running (mostly) and lircd, but myth doesn't see my ir commands... what am I doing wrong? |
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| 05:49 | <Slaytanic> | Spida: Try running irw to see that the commands are received... |
| 05:50 | <Spida> | Slaytanic: connect: Connection refused |
| 05:50 | <Spida> | Slaytanic: cat /dev/lircd works, though |
| 06:02 | <Slaytanic> | Try setting it up according to Jarod Wilsons guide... |
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| 06:49 | <Spida> | Slaytanic: I mostly did that, but it doesn't work. |
| 06:50 | <Spida> | do I need some special rights on /dev/lirc or /dev/lircd? |
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| 07:01 | <kyll> | here is mine: crw-r--r-- 1 root root 61, 0 Jan 28 18:50 /dev/lirc .... srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 Jan 29 19:01 /dev/lircd |
| 07:01 | <kyll> | and it works |
| 07:02 | <Spida> | I have the same, and irw doesn't get a connection, but I can cat /dev/lirc and get many nice variants of points and dashes above a's, when I press buttons on my remote |
| 07:04 | <kyll> | i used this documention to set it up: http://www.lirc.org/html/index.html |
| 07:05 | <kyll> | i cant remember what i did since its been so long |
| 07:40 | <Spida> | irrecord does work, but everything else does not work... |
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| 09:10 | <czzn> | kyll ? |
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| 09:38 | <o_cee> | quiet today |
| 09:43 | <dja> | too quiet? :-) |
| 09:43 | <o_cee> | what a stupid fuck, his email had a reply-to to the users list.. dumbfuck |
| 09:44 | <o_cee> | ah well |
| 09:44 | <o_cee> | dja: you've got an epia right? |
| 09:44 | <dja> | nope |
| 09:44 | <o_cee> | nevermind then :) |
| 09:44 | <dja> | :-) |
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| 10:46 | <racer32> | o_cee? |
| 10:48 | <racer32> | if I use the epg with displaying 5 channels, then channeldesc only shows 3 descriptions and are not right aligned. |
| 10:48 | <racer32> | is this a theme problem? |
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| 10:51 | <dragonkh> | hi |
| 10:52 | <dragonkh> | does mythtv support a mpeg2 decoder on my motherboard |
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| 12:21 | <o_cee> | racer32: ? |
| 12:21 | <o_cee> | Chutt: uhm, you know the page you tested for me in konq, it must have looked hideous, i'd forgot to upload most of the stylesheets :) heheh |
| 12:21 | <thor_> | ah, o_cee you did all the mythbackend http status stuff, right ? |
| 12:22 | <o_cee> | depends. |
| 12:22 | <o_cee> | :) |
| 12:22 | <thor_> | heh |
| 12:22 | <thor_> | all the CSS and making it proper html, correct ? |
| 12:22 | <Chutt> | o_cee, never knew what it was supposed to look like |
| 12:23 | <o_cee> | Chutt: hehe, no.. would you mind trying it again? http://trekotor.se/test1/index2.html there's supposed to be a real menu and a pretty heading |
| 12:23 | <o_cee> | thor_: it's all valid xhtml 1.0 strict if that's what you're asking? |
| 12:23 | <thor_> | right |
| 12:23 | <Chutt> | text isn't in the boxes in konq |
| 12:24 | <o_cee> | and uhm, muhaw, maybe not 100% clean css, since there's a mozilla specific thingie in there, but that's no biggie |
| 12:24 | <o_cee> | Chutt: no? could you send me a screenshot? |
| 12:24 | <Chutt> | in a few minutes |
| 12:24 | <o_cee> | thanks |
| 12:24 | <thor_> | in a few days I'm going to have the mfd offering a very crude client interface over http ... was hoping you might be able to look at it at some point |
| 12:24 | <o_cee> | oh, probably because of another font kicks in.. |
| 12:25 | <o_cee> | thor_: sure, maybe so.. just let me know |
| 12:25 | <thor_> | k, thanks |
| 12:25 | <o_cee> | Chutt: it looks allright in mozilla, right? or if it's a font issue, it might be the same there |
| 12:26 | <Chutt> | no, looks fine in mozilla |
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| 12:28 | <Chutt> | www.mythtv.org/brokenheader.jpg |
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| 12:36 | <o_cee> | allright, thanks.. the mountaing image is easily fixed.. have to do some reading on the menu |
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| 13:12 | <racer32> | ocee yes/ |
| 13:12 | <racer32> | ? |
| 13:12 | <Rroet> | elo |
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| 13:15 | <racer32> | o_cee think you're gonna answer my question? |
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| 13:27 | <Rroet> | hi warlord :) |
| 13:27 | <Rroet> | how are you're IVTV troubles today ? |
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| 13:29 | <warlord> | Rroet: I haven't tried, but I'm fairly sure if I try to jump-back it will get confused about where it is in the program stream and lose the concept of "real-time" |
| 13:29 | <warlord> | yep |
| 13:30 | <warlord> | I try to jump back 5 seconds, but it jumped back about 10 minutes. |
| 13:30 | <warlord> | and now it thinks it's caught up in _time_, even though it think's it's 5.12% behind. |
| 13:30 | <Rroet> | ehm... difference between 5 seconds and 10 minutes is a feature. |
| 13:30 | <warlord> | Uh, I don't think so. |
| 13:31 | <Rroet> | ahh.. the percentages are the usages on the harddrive.. time is expressed in seconds and minutes |
| 13:31 | <warlord> | Yes, but it's CONFUSED. |
| 13:31 | <warlord> | It's 10 minutes behind real-time but it thinks it's exactly AT real-time |
| 13:31 | <Rroet> | mmmm.. crap |
| 13:32 | <warlord> | And the percentage is not usage of the harddrive -- it's the amount of delay expressed as a percentage of the disk usage. |
| 13:33 | <warlord> | For example, if you hit pause, you'll see the percentage (and time) both increase from 0:00/0.00% |
| 13:33 | <Rroet> | I thought it was the percentage of diskusage in the ringbuff file.. |
| 13:34 | <Rroet> | mm.. my stuttering seems gone at the moment. |
| 13:34 | <Chutt> | warlord, i haven't seen it get confused at all with 0.14 |
| 13:34 | <warlord> | It is.. It's the percent of the delay-from-realtime of the ringbuf usage. If you're in real-time it'll ALWAYS be 0.00% |
| 13:34 | <Chutt> | like you're describing |
| 13:34 | <warlord> | Chutt: I'm using 0.14 |
| 13:34 | <Chutt> | right, i'm just saying |
| 13:34 | <Chutt> | i haven't seen that at all :p |
| 13:35 | <warlord> | It takes about 15 minutes of live-tv before it starts getting confused. |
| 13:35 | <warlord> | and it seems to get worse the longer you watch.. |
| 13:35 | <Chutt> | we watched the game yesterday in live-tv mode, no problems seeking around |
| 13:35 | <warlord> | For example, I just had it in a state where it thought it was at 0:00 delay, but still at 5.XX% |
| 13:35 | <warlord> | Hmm, we did, too, but we did have problems seeking around. |
| 13:36 | <warlord> | you're using the -350 output? |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | warlord, it shouldn't be all that difficult to figure out where it's going off -- it's really just looking at the framesPlayed variable for all that |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | and that's not set in all that many places |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | yeah, i'm using the -350 output |
| 13:36 | <warlord> | ivtv-0.1.9? |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 13:37 | <Chutt> | well, cvs from the release, but it's the same thing |
| 13:37 | <warlord> | Hmm. Well, let me try.. |
| 13:37 | <warlord> | (yea, same here -- cvs from the release ;) |
| 13:37 | <Rroet> | current cvs is totally fubar |
| 13:37 | <Rroet> | I mean unstable. |
| 13:37 | <warlord> | question: is "make clean" sufficient or do I really need "distclean"? |
| 13:37 | <Rroet> | for me at least. |
| 13:37 | <Chutt> | if it runs, make clean was enough |
| 13:37 | <warlord> | ok. |
| 13:38 | <Chutt> | if it segfaults in weird places, then it wasn't =) |
| 13:38 | <Rroet> | Chutt: do you have the stuttering issue as well with ivtv ? |
| 13:38 | <Chutt> | though, i should have gotten most of the dependency issues ironed out |
| 13:38 | <Chutt> | stuttering? |
| 13:38 | <Chutt> | no |
| 13:38 | <Rroet> | ok, lot of people are getting stuttering after watching about 15minutes of livetv and then switching channels |
| 13:38 | <Chutt> | it's nice that this was reported to the mailing list |
| 13:39 | <kvandivo> | these 'live tv' watchers.. i'll never understand them |
| 13:39 | <Rroet> | Chutt: it was reported to the list |
| 13:39 | <Chutt> | not anyway that i remember |
| 13:39 | <Chutt> | which means it wasn't done well |
| 13:39 | <Chutt> | i skip over crappy bug reports completely |
| 13:39 | <Rroet> | mm.. it was done yesterday even. |
| 13:39 | <Rroet> | by Mike Wood |
| 13:39 | <Rroet> | and about a week ago in the mythdev list |
| 13:40 | <kvandivo> | chutt likes the really long bug reports. be sure to include database table dumps as well. |
| 13:40 | * | kvandivo ducks. |
| 13:40 | <Rroet> | so many messages nowadays.. a few threads tend to fly by unnoticed |
| 13:40 | <sfr> | and sample recordings are a must |
| 13:41 | <Rroet> | sfr: that's the problem.. recordings are fine. |
| 13:41 | <warlord> | kvandivo: my particular skipping problem isn't just livetv, but also a problem when watching a recording-in-progress. |
| 13:41 | <Rroet> | I'm still testing if the problem is in mythtv or in IVTV |
| 13:41 | <Chutt> | Rroet, err, mike wood's problem was something entirely different. |
| 13:41 | <Chutt> | if you read his followup |
| 13:42 | <Rroet> | I've downgraded from ivtv 0.1.9 to 0.1.8 pre2 (11th of januari) |
| 13:42 | <Chutt> | you can't |
| 13:42 | <Chutt> | since that doesn't do things right wrt the timestamps |
| 13:42 | <Chutt> | that the driver returns. |
| 13:42 | <Chutt> | if you're using the pvr-350, you need 0.1.9. |
| 13:42 | <Rroet> | warlord: 350 |
| 13:42 | <Rroet> | Rroet: 250 |
| 13:42 | <Chutt> | we didn't pull that version requirement out of our asses. |
| 13:43 | <sfr> | Chutt: admittedly, i talked about a similar behaviour here, but i upgraded to ivtv 0.1.9 and from some quick testing yesterday i think it may have solved the problem for me, but i'll keep an eye on it. |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | sfr, you have a 350? |
| 13:43 | <sfr> | Chutt yes, but i'm not using the tv-out. |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | then it's a different problem :p |
| 13:44 | <o_cee> | maybe it's time to give the 350 tv output another shot |
| 13:45 | <warlord> | o_cee: 350 output is REALLY good.. (except for the livetv+epg problems) |
| 13:45 | <sfr> | Chutt: symptom is that after some channel changing the load on the frontend goes up, and mythfrontend takes up to ~75 % cpu. exiting live-tv and reentering it fixes it and mythfrontend is again down to ~30% cpu usage. |
| 13:45 | <Rroet> | ehm, you guys don't have issues btw with recordings? |
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| 13:45 | <o_cee> | warlord: yeah, i've had it running, but since the epg is very commonly used here.. it didn't work out, heh |
| 13:45 | <Rroet> | my pvr 250 seems to "forget" sounds once in a while. |
| 13:45 | <Chutt> | i've never had it die on me with the epg |
| 13:46 | <Chutt> | you all are just unlucky :p |
| 13:46 | <warlord> | *twiddles fingers waiting for 10-15 minutes* |
| 13:46 | <warlord> | Chutt: you must have a slow CPU |
| 13:46 | <Chutt> | m10k |
| 13:46 | <warlord> | I can reliably reproduce the livetv+epg hang in about 15 seconds. |
| 13:46 | <o_cee> | celeron 2ghz here |
| 13:46 | <Rroet> | m10k without a distcc farm ? |
| 13:46 | <Chutt> | err, of course |
| 13:47 | <Rroet> | mmm.. life will be so much easier with a distcc farm :) |
| 13:47 | <Chutt> | why? |
| 13:47 | <Rroet> | it's bloody fast compiling :) |
| 13:47 | <Chutt> | it's my production machine, i don't recompile stuff on there all that often |
| 13:47 | <o_cee> | what's the cheapest eden you can run a frontend on without mpeg2 acceleration (don't want b&w osd)? does a fanless thingie work? |
| 13:48 | <Chutt> | in fact, i don't really care how long it takes to compile stuff on there |
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| 13:49 | <o_cee> | muhahha, i meant Epia |
| 13:49 | <o_cee> | where the hell did i get eden from :) |
| 13:49 | <sfr> | is your eve around, o_cee? |
| 13:49 | <o_cee> | nope |
| 13:49 | <o_cee> | :) |
| 13:49 | <warlord> | Chutt: yea, the freeze appears to happen on faster machines. people with sub-GHz machines appear to not see the problem. |
| 13:49 | <warlord> | it's definitely an ivtv problem, not a myth problem. |
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| 13:50 | <Rroet> | mmm.. why do I always have the troubles you guys don't have ? |
| 13:50 | <o_cee> | tmk said something about someone saying that chaning from global to local (or vise versa) alpha helped |
| 13:50 | <thor_> | karma |
| 13:50 | <warlord> | Rroet: I've not seen the stuttering problem, either |
| 13:50 | <kvandivo> | code 18 |
| 13:50 | <kvandivo> | pebkac |
| 13:50 | <Rroet> | I still can't watch PAL at 480x480 without getting a shaking image |
| 13:50 | <Rroet> | do you guys have that problem ? |
| 13:50 | <o_cee> | Rroet: yes |
| 13:50 | <o_cee> | do full pal |
| 13:51 | <o_cee> | you're not supposed to be using anything lower |
| 13:51 | <Rroet> | I know, but my epia won't pull full pal without hw mpeg2 decoding. |
| 13:51 | <warlord> | Chutt: where does it get the percentage from? |
| 13:51 | <o_cee> | same bitrage |
| 13:51 | <o_cee> | bitrate |
| 13:51 | <o_cee> | Rroet: what Epia? |
| 13:51 | <Rroet> | m10k |
| 13:51 | <Chutt> | warlord, where in the source, or how does it do it? |
| 13:51 | <o_cee> | uhm, shouldn't that be able to playback mpeg2? |
| 13:52 | <Chutt> | rroet, err, pal is x576 high. |
| 13:52 | <warlord> | the former. (althogh if you want to explain the latter it'll save me time) |
| 13:52 | <warlord> | The percentage is definitely correct, but the time computation is not. |
| 13:52 | <Chutt> | warlord, NuppelVideoPlayer::calcSliderPos |
| 13:52 | <Rroet> | Chutt: I know. |
| 13:52 | <Chutt> | so why the hell are you trying to capture at an ntsc resolution? |
| 13:53 | <Rroet> | but watching liveTV at 720x576 without hwmpeg decoding is impossible ? |
| 13:53 | <Rroet> | Chutt: ? |
| 13:53 | <Chutt> | use 480x576 |
| 13:53 | <Rroet> | not recording, just watching. |
| 13:53 | <o_cee> | pal is 768x576 i think |
| 13:53 | <Rroet> | pal == 720x576 afaik |
| 13:53 | <Chutt> | no |
| 13:53 | <Chutt> | it's not. |
| 13:53 | <Rroet> | o.O |
| 13:53 | <Rroet> | O.o |
| 13:53 | <o_cee> | that's ntsc you're trying |
| 13:53 | <Chutt> | it's an analog signal, there is no horizontal resolution |
| 13:54 | <Chutt> | you should always capture at a full height, or a clean (ie 1/2) multiple of it |
| 13:54 | <Rroet> | Chutt: ok.. thnx, good to now |
| 13:54 | <Chutt> | warlord, it's basically just using framesPlayed - framesWritten |
| 13:54 | <Rroet> | o_cee: now I remember.. full dvd is 720x576... |
| 13:54 | <Chutt> | for the time |
| 13:55 | <Chutt> | the % is a function of disk used |
| 13:55 | <Rroet> | Chutt: so If i go for 360x576 I should be able to watch without hwmpeg decoding ? |
| 13:55 | <sfr> | as we already talk about problems: anyone observe a remote frontend loosing the connection to the backend control socket? happens here quite often while watching live-tv for some time. if that happens channel changing doesn't work but the frontend jumps back to the beginning of the live-tv buffer. |
| 13:55 | <o_cee> | Rroet: why don't you try full PAL first? |
| 13:55 | <Rroet> | o_cee: been there... done that |
| 13:55 | <o_cee> | you just said you didn't even know the resolution. |
| 13:55 | <warlord> | Chutt: right, if if i'm at real-time, the percentage should be 0, right? |
| 13:56 | <Chutt> | close to it |
| 13:56 | <Rroet> | o_cee: ..... x576 was just said.. |
| 13:56 | <Rroet> | I have that. |
| 13:56 | <Chutt> | it doesn't let you seek up right to real time |
| 13:56 | <o_cee> | Rroet: 768x576 |
| 13:56 | <warlord> | Yea.. |
| 13:56 | <Chutt> | warlord, i'd put some debugging in ivtvdecoder to see what it's doing to framesPlayed |
| 13:56 | <warlord> | but it should still be like .05% or so when it's as close to real-time as you can get. |
| 13:56 | <Rroet> | o_cee: ... 720x576 already has a CPU issue it can't keep up.. ... let's try a high resolution.. |
| 13:56 | <Chutt> | as i'd say that's probably the issue |
| 13:56 | <Rroet> | seem somewhat strange to me. |
| 13:56 | <o_cee> | Rroet: might involve that it needs to scale |
| 13:57 | <Rroet> | ok, I can try |
| 13:57 | <o_cee> | the epias must suck bigtime if 1000mhz can't playback that.. |
| 13:58 | <Chutt> | they do |
| 13:58 | <Rroet> | Chutt: do play back, or do suck ... |
| 13:58 | <Rroet> | I think the last one :) |
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| 13:58 | <o_cee> | Chutt: got any recommendation for a frontend only machine? |
| 13:58 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 13:58 | <o_cee> | thinking about setting up a lcd in the bedroom |
| 13:59 | <Rroet> | Chutt: is there a option to turn of hw mpeg decoding without rebuilding myth ? |
| 13:59 | * | Rroet ducks* |
| 13:59 | <lmatter> | Rroet, it's in settings/tv/playback. |
| 14:00 | <Rroet> | lmatter: thanks. |
| 14:00 | <Chutt> | amazing how that works |
| 14:02 | <Rroet> | *whoops* now that killed my backend |
| 14:02 | czn | is now known as czn^tv |
| 14:04 | <Rroet> | ok, them last 2 changes keep killing my backend.. time to read the logfile. |
| 14:04 | <Rroet> | ok, it says nothing. I think it doesn't like my 768x576 |
| 14:05 | <Rroet> | ... myth backend did leave a little note in dmesg |
| 14:06 | <lmatter> | Rroet, must have joined late, why aren't you using hwmpeg ? |
| 14:07 | <Rroet> | lmatter: just wondering if it does work without. |
| 14:08 | <Rroet> | Chutt: o_cee: ... 768x576 wasn't a good idea for my card. |
| 14:09 | <lmatter> | Rroet, I seriously doubt it. I tried it once too. LIke watching a slide show. |
| 14:09 | <warlord> | hmm, I just got a bunch of "bad newframes" which is showing that framesRead > framesPlayed |
| 14:09 | <Rroet> | lmatter: it is already at 720x576, but it was suggested as a test because 720x576 seems to be a scaled image .. |
| 14:10 | <Rroet> | .. running 720x576 now, it's a slideshow with 2 / 3 sec moving slides |
| 14:11 | <choenig> | hi Chutt, did you have a look at my patch already? and ... would you accept a patch witch gives the option to run an arbitrary script at the beginning of the BE (first scheduler loop) which would allow ppl to startup the FE ? |
| 14:13 | <Rroet> | Chutt: informative question.... when changing channels, does it throw away/empty the ringbuff file and start a new empty one on the new channel? |
| 14:13 | <sfr> | yes, Rroet |
| 14:14 | <Rroet> | could it be.. (via hwpmeg library seems to have issues with harddrive activity) that the changing channels stuttering is coming from that specific issue ? |
| 14:15 | <knight-> | anyone ever get that Actisys IR200L to work? |
| 14:15 | <Rroet> | I mean, when I'm using my harddrive heavily moving files, my playback will go stuttering. |
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| 14:15 | <Rincev6> | evening |
| 14:15 | <Rroet> | hi |
| 14:17 | <Rroet> | mm.. sorry to ask for the obvious again, but my 768x576 backend crashes seem to come from ivtv. according to ivtv 720x576 is the full pal resolution ...*wierd* ? |
| 14:18 | <Rincev6> | well - why do you think it is ivtv-related? |
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| 14:18 | <Rroet> | Rincev6: because I can't set a greater resolution on pal here it seems. |
| 14:18 | <Rroet> | I've just set it to 720x576 and demesg informs me: |
| 14:18 | <Rroet> | Setting full PAL width |
| 14:18 | <Rroet> | Setting full PAL height |
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| 14:19 | <Rroet> | when I set it to 768x576 in mythbackend as livetv and try to watch livetv .. man I get the most awfull dmesg message telling me the backend has crashed |
| 14:20 | <Rincev6> | Hmm. |
| 14:20 | <Rincev6> | do you have a logfile _why_ it crashes? |
| 14:20 | <Rroet> | mythbackend logfile doesn't report anything. |
| 14:21 | <Rincev6> | have you already tried to use ivtvctl and ptune_ui.pl to check wether that works? |
| 14:21 | <Rroet> | it just says it went to watching livetv |
| 14:22 | <Rroet> | ivtvctl ? |
| 14:22 | <Rroet> | you mean test_ioctl? |
| 14:24 | <Rincev6> | sorry - es |
| 14:24 | <Rincev6> | yes |
| 14:26 | <Rroet> | video utils # test_ioctl -d /dev/video3 -f width=768,height=576 |
| 14:26 | <Rroet> | ioctl: VIDIOC_S_FMT |
| 14:26 | <Rroet> | Before: |
| 14:26 | <Rroet> | Type : Video Capture |
| 14:26 | <Rroet> | Width : 720 |
| 14:26 | <Rroet> | Height : 576 |
| 14:26 | <Rroet> | Segmentation fault |
| 14:26 | <Rroet> | *eek* |
| 14:26 | <Rincev6> | well ;-) |
| 14:26 | <Rincev6> | there you have it ;) |
| 14:27 | <Rroet> | it does not like anything bigger then 720. |
| 14:29 | <Chutt> | so, uh, don't do anything bigger than 720? |
| 14:30 | <Rroet> | Chutt: ..... about the remarks a few lines back.. ... I was kinda advised to try 768x576 |
| 14:31 | <Chutt> | ............ |
| 14:31 | <Chutt> | is rather annoying. |
| 14:31 | <knight-> | so anyways, keyboard doesnt work with ivtv-fb and X running for me |
| 14:31 | <knight-> | :)\ |
| 14:31 | <Chutt> | heh |
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| 14:35 | <warlord> | Chutt: I added some debugging, and there is clearly something strange going on. I seeked backwards 5 seconds and then forward "30" (which should catch me up... |
| 14:35 | <bline> | hey Chutt, do you run myth in the pvr350 framebuffer with qt-embedded? |
| 14:35 | <Chutt> | bline, nope |
| 14:36 | <bline> | have you tried it? |
| 14:36 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 14:36 | <bline> | ok |
| 14:36 | <warlord> | It started with framesRead=660, framesPlayed=517, then jumped back to 361 |
| 14:36 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:36 | <warlord> | then at framesRead=475/Played=390 it jumped forward to 513 |
| 14:36 | <Chutt> | warlord, so, that's a start =) |
| 14:37 | <warlord> | it's almost as if it doesn't get frame-count pointers correct in the file.. |
| 14:37 | <Chutt> | it's getting the framesPlayed number from the driver |
| 14:38 | <warlord> | not always. |
| 14:38 | <Chutt> | most of the time, though |
| 14:39 | <warlord> | well, it's caching a "long long framesPlayed" |
| 14:39 | <warlord> | there is also GetFramesPlayed() |
| 14:40 | <Chutt> | UpdateFramesPlayed is called every frame |
| 14:40 | <Chutt> | which grabs the number from the card, with GetFramesPlayed |
| 14:41 | <warlord> | ok.. |
| 14:43 | <Chutt> | it's still partially calculated, so that'd be something to look at |
| 14:43 | <Chutt> | in UpdateFramesPlayed |
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| 14:44 | <warlord> | yes, I see that, but... |
| 14:46 | <Rroet> | Chutt: I've just watched 15mins of liveTV, and stuttering started again on channelchange :( |
| 14:46 | <Chutt> | rroet, so do something other than complain about it |
| 14:46 | <Rroet> | ok, what's a good way to debug it.. |
| 14:46 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 14:46 | <Rroet> | only errors I'm now getting is standard prebuffering pauses |
| 14:48 | <sfr> | Rroet: you see a high load or the frontend using more cpu time than usual? |
| 14:48 | <warlord> | Chutt: what bitrate do you have set for livetv? |
| 14:48 | <Rroet> | sfr I'll try to check.. |
| 14:48 | <Chutt> | 4.5/6 |
| 14:49 | <Rroet> | sfr: if I use top to messure CPU usage, it will make playback stutter anyway. |
| 14:49 | <warlord> | Hmm.. One thing I noticed in ivtvdecoder.. if !hasFullPositionMap it assumes bitrate=8000; not sure if that's causing me problems. |
| 14:50 | <Rroet> | I'll check back again in about 15minutes.. I've just restarted my livetv stream. |
| 14:50 | <Rroet> | base cpu load now is 27.4 to 28.3 % |
| 14:50 | <warlord> | Rroet: how are you computing cpu load? |
| 14:50 | <sfr> | Rroet: use 'nice top' next time |
| 14:51 | <Rroet> | warlord: using top |
| 14:51 | <Chutt> | warlord, naw, that's just a guideline for how much it downloads at a time |
| 14:51 | <Rroet> | sfr: does it also apply to top -d 1 ... or am I being to brutal on the system? |
| 14:51 | <Chutt> | it shouldn't affect the framesPlayed stuff |
| 14:51 | <warlord> | Chutt: thanks.. *grasping at straws here* (thanks for the pointers) |
| 14:51 | <Chutt> | no problem |
| 14:51 | <Chutt> | i'd like to see your problems fixed :p |
| 14:52 | <warlord> | Yea.. |
| 14:52 | <sfr> | Rroet: yes |
| 14:52 | <Rroet> | sfr: the nice command doesn't fix my audio glitches ? |
| 14:53 | <sfr> | Rroet: no |
| 14:53 | <Rroet> | sfr: sorry, it wasn't a question. |
| 14:53 | <Rroet> | top -d1 will cause audio glitches when it updates. even with using the nice command |
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