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| 00:12 | <Octane> | is it important to do a make clean distclean before upgrading |
| 00:12 | <Octane> | just wondering |
| 00:13 | <cmorgan> | yes |
| 00:13 | <cmorgan> | sometimes things get out of sync |
| 00:13 | <Octane> | hmm okay thank you |
| 00:13 | <Octane> | i did made install .14 w/o it |
| 00:13 | <Octane> | think i should go back to my dir and do a make clean distclean and make again? |
| 00:14 | <Octane> | just to be safe |
| 00:14 | <cmorgan> | if you get errors about library mismatches then yeah |
| 00:15 | <Octane> | got no errors it compiled and works fine |
| 00:15 | <cmorgan> | after waiting for the whole compile and getting those i just gave in and always make distclean, unless it hasn't been very long since the last time |
| 00:16 | <Octane> | im gonna go ahead and restart the process |
| 00:16 | <Octane> | since ive only installed mythtv |
| 00:16 | <cmorgan> | if you don't get any errors it should be fine |
| 00:20 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | quick question for anybody with an opinion. In the "recording groups" patch I'm making, if the user is viewing a group instead of the complete list of programs, I'm thinking of changing the "All Programs" to something like "XYZ Group" or "All in Group" or something. any ideas? it would still be "All Programs" when you view the complete list. |
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| 00:21 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | didn't think it would stir up this much controversy... :) |
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| 00:47 | <meth> | chimney chop boy |
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| 01:03 | <mdz> | Chutt: as of 0.14-2, I'm shipping a mythtv-debug package with debugging symbols for everything |
| 01:03 | <mdz> | Chutt: so folks can install that package, run gdb on myth, and get useful backtraces |
| 01:04 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 01:04 | <Chutt> | so how much did package sizes change? |
| 01:04 | <mdz> | pretty much zero change except for mythtv-debug itself |
| 01:04 | <mdz> | which is enormous |
| 01:04 | <mdz> | 15M deb, 37M installed |
| 01:05 | <Chutt> | you don't install all the bins? |
| 01:05 | <mdz> | hmm? |
| 01:05 | <Chutt> | installed size shoulda gone way down :p |
| 01:05 | <Chutt> | due to the shared libs |
| 01:05 | <mdz> | oh, you mean from 0.13 to 0.14 |
| 01:05 | <Chutt> | oh, i was talking about from 0.13 to 0.14 |
| 01:05 | <Chutt> | yeah, sorry, not clear |
| 01:06 | <mdz> | 12M -> 7.7M |
| 01:06 | <mdz> | total for everything |
| 01:06 | <Chutt> | not bad |
| 01:06 | <mdz> | that's deb size |
| 01:06 | <Chutt> | though, i did include gant |
| 01:06 | <mdz> | I'm too lazy to add up installed-size |
| 01:06 | <Chutt> | and that blows up the size some |
| 01:06 | <Chutt> | and the new translations add a bunch as well |
| 01:07 | <mdz> | with mythtv-debug, total deb size is up to 23M now |
| 01:07 | <mdz> | do they add something besides the .qm files? they only add up to 700k installed |
| 01:07 | <mdz> | uploading new revisions is going to be a pain now, heh |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | the .ts files are large |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | more source size, not installed size |
| 01:08 | <mdz> | right |
| 01:10 | <Chutt> | only one bugreport so far, and that was in mythgame =) |
| 01:10 | <mdz> | anything worth rolling into the debs? |
| 01:10 | <Chutt> | naw |
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| 01:15 | <mdz> | I've had no problems so far |
| 01:15 | <mdz> | I updated my backend to 0.14-1 right after I uploaded it |
| 01:15 | <Chutt> | cool. |
| 01:16 | <mdz> | bunch of downloads already |
| 01:16 | <Chutt> | i've only had one ivtv-related problem in the past week or so, too |
| 01:16 | <Chutt> | so i'm happy with things =) |
| 01:16 | <mdz> | a crash-the-system type problem, or something less severe? |
| 01:17 | <mdz> | I'm debating whether to get a pvr card |
| 01:17 | <Chutt> | picture went to crap, just had to flip inputs |
| 01:17 | <Chutt> | i really like the pvr-350, when it works |
| 01:17 | <Chutt> | which is most of the time now |
| 01:17 | <mdz> | it plays mpeg-1 and mpeg-2, right? |
| 01:17 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 01:17 | <mdz> | and some sort of unaccelerated framebuffer? |
| 01:17 | <Chutt> | right |
| 01:18 | <Chutt> | i run X on it |
| 01:18 | <mdz> | slow? |
| 01:18 | <Chutt> | not too bad |
| 01:18 | <Chutt> | plenty fast enough for mythtv |
| 01:18 | <mdz> | is this on your slow box? |
| 01:18 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 01:18 | <Chutt> | that's more the limit than the framebuffer |
| 01:19 | <mdz> | so the TV output quality is very good...how is the recording quality? |
| 01:19 | <Chutt> | quite nice |
| 01:19 | <mdz> | did you have to turn up the bitrate to keep the same quality? |
| 01:19 | <Chutt> | from mpeg4? |
| 01:19 | <Chutt> | yeah, a bit |
| 01:19 | <mdz> | yeah |
| 01:19 | <Chutt> | most of the time, there's no way to tell i'm watching a recording |
| 01:19 | <Chutt> | with the pvr-350 |
| 01:21 | <mdz> | nice |
| 01:32 | <pmowry> | When it comes to flipping the inputs on a PVR-350 to clear up picture problems, whats the best way to check that the tuner is not in use from a script? Use expect to parse the html status page for the backend? |
| 01:34 | <pmowry> | It's rare now that I have a problem, but since Iusually only watch recorded programs,it's to late for at least 1 or 2 shows. |
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| 01:55 | <Octane> | is it me or have make times for modules really decreased |
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| 02:06 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | must be you, we tried to make them compile as slow as possible to eliminate any compilation errors. kinda like burning CD's, slower == more reliable... |
| 02:07 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | actually it might be faster due to shared libraries instead of static. |
| 02:07 | <Octane> | yah thats what i was thinking |
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| 02:44 | <Octane> | anyone know where mythweb stores information (such as the theme to use) |
| 02:45 | <Octane> | ill just look in the code |
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| 03:14 | <DogBoy> | new theme is nice |
| 03:15 | <pmowry> | mythtv |
| 03:16 | <pmowry> | sorry,wrong window... |
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| 04:03 | <FryGuy> | it's in the settings table in the database AFAIK |
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| 04:51 | <ceed> | hey |
| 04:52 | <ceed> | how do i manually transcode recorded programs? i couldn't fidn anything in the docs |
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| 05:00 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | ceed: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/archive/MythTV_C2/Users_F11/mythtranscode_/_nuvexport_P99187/ |
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| 05:18 | <ceed> | [DOA][DOA]Tarkie: no i mean, after i set all cut points in a recording, i want to transcode it |
| 05:18 | <ceed> | to save space |
| 05:18 | <ceed> | oh, hit X |
| 05:18 | <ceed> | :) |
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| 07:00 | <Spida> | hi |
| 07:01 | <Spida> | do I need to load the ivtv driver to access the remote on my pvr350 with lirc? |
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| 08:43 | <Slaytanic> | Every time I run mythfilldatabase, my manually entered channel icons in the mythconverg/channel table disappear... Anyone who knows why? Do I have to enter them into some config file too? |
| 08:46 | <sfr> | Slaytanic: the --update option should prevent this from happening |
| 08:46 | <Slaytanic> | Ah, thanks! |
| 08:53 | <Spida> | do I need to load the ivtv driver to access the remote on my pvr350 with lirc? |
| 08:54 | <Slaytanic> | You need the ivtv driver to be able to capture, don't you? |
| 08:56 | <Rule> | which reminds me.. Does lirc support 2 IR sources ? |
| 08:56 | <Rule> | can't figure out how |
| 08:58 | <Spida> | Rule: lircd has --device or something |
| 08:58 | <Spida> | Slaytanic: yeah, and i can't get it working, so I wanted to use mythtv just for dvd and such, with my remote... |
| 09:00 | <Slaytanic> | Oh, all right... I can recommend Jarod Wilsons guide, it helped me from scratch... |
| 09:06 | <Rince> | evenin' |
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| 09:10 | <Spida> | Slaytanic: url? |
| 09:14 | <Slaytanic> | http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ |
| 09:14 | <Slaytanic> | Definately worth a bookmark. Great guide. |
| 09:17 | <Spida> | Slaytanic: cool, thx |
| 09:18 | <Slaytanic> | np |
| 09:18 | <Slaytanic> | I've got a working system now (Nvidia TV-out and a Hauppuage PVR350) thanks to that guide... |
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| 09:28 | <Slaytanic> | AHem, well, working was a lie... Computer just crashed and rebooted watching live tv. Maybe I should upgrade my ivtv drivers... :/ |
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| 09:43 | <Slaytanic> | When viewing a program in the EPG, there's an empty "episode" line... I can't find any column called "episode" in the mythconverg database, so where is this information stored? |
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| 10:03 | <pahli_bar> | 0.14 has quite a few nice touches. especially like the new search by title/descriptions/categories.... |
| 10:05 | <Slaytanic> | Sounds interesting... Does anyone know how long it usually takes for the ATrpm:s to be updated with new myth builds? |
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| 10:11 | <ZeBigBoss> | Hey guys! |
| 10:12 | <ZeBigBoss> | Someone using an Xbox as a Mythtv frontend? |
| 10:12 | <ZeBigBoss> | I am :-) |
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| 10:13 | <gerhard> | how is the performance with the Xbox, playing video, music etc.? |
| 10:17 | <ZeBigBoss> | Oh, its really ok. I am using a wifi link to my xbox, so I had to reduce the mpeg2 stream a little bit (no 8 Mbit, but 4) to get rid off the stuttering. |
| 10:17 | <ZeBigBoss> | its is a 700Mhz machine after all |
| 10:17 | <ZeBigBoss> | But I have a problem with the remote. And I need a new version of usb-xboxir.o |
| 10:18 | <gerhard> | ido you have a modchip in you Xboox? |
| 10:18 | <ZeBigBoss> | yes, you need that. |
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| 10:20 | <gerhard> | was it ok to set it up? and how is the LiveTv picture quality compare to TV out fronm a Nvidia card? |
| 10:21 | <pahli_bar> | doesn't xbox use a nvidia card? |
| 10:21 | <ZeBigBoss> | It is MUCH better! I have a 16:9 tv and it is brilliant! |
| 10:21 | <ZeBigBoss> | As good as the PVR350 id say |
| 10:22 | <ZeBigBoss> | Mythtv is HELL to setup, both on the xbox and on the Shuttle :-) But that is part of the fun I guess. |
| 10:23 | <Slaytanic> | The PVR350 tv-output is superiour to most TV-outs on Nvidia cards, right? I have both, but I haven't tried to get the 350 TVout working yet... |
| 10:23 | <Slaytanic> | err, superior |
| 10:23 | <Rince> | well - I do only have the 350 and it's great ;) |
| 10:24 | <ZeBigBoss> | Especially bad: Here in the netherlands, our cableprovider uses frequencies that are NOT in the frequencies.c of myth... And I don't know a lot of C :-) |
| 10:24 | <ZeBigBoss> | But it works. |
| 10:24 | <Rince> | ZeBigBoss: are you sure? |
| 10:24 | <gerhard> | I use a Asus pundit with a PVR250 TV card and following Jarods installation guide was quite easy to get everything working |
| 10:24 | <ZeBigBoss> | I have Nvidia mx2, mx4, pvr250 and xbox, and the xbox wins. |
| 10:25 | <Rince> | ZeBigBoss: I am in germany, ew have pal-europe-west. But I had to fiddle around with ivtv to set the correct chanids(!) , so I had to find out wether the chanid is 14, E14 or SE14 |
| 10:25 | <Slaytanic> | ZeBigBoss: I had to convert freqs too... No fun. :/ |
| 10:25 | <ZeBigBoss> | Ah. Ok. But our frequencies are really weird (had a comple change a couple of months ago too...) so they are not in the list at all. |
| 10:26 | <ZeBigBoss> | I d'led 0.14 hoping I could just type in the frequenties now |
| 10:26 | <ZeBigBoss> | but that didn't work either |
| 10:26 | <ZeBigBoss> | only for DVB I guess... |
| 10:26 | <Slaytanic> | What format are your channel/freqs in then? |
| 10:26 | <ZeBigBoss> | Like: |
| 10:26 | <ZeBigBoss> | nld1 11- 216000 |
| 10:26 | <ZeBigBoss> | nld2 6+ 184000 |
| 10:26 | <ZeBigBoss> | no logic at all |
| 10:26 | <Slaytanic> | Isn't that a frequency in mhz? |
| 10:26 | <ZeBigBoss> | and really strange frequencies |
| 10:26 | <ZeBigBoss> | yes |
| 10:27 | <sfr> | ZeBigBoss: +/- looks like you need to finetune from the base channel |
| 10:27 | <Slaytanic> | { "23", 216000 }, |
| 10:27 | <Slaytanic> | In my frequencies.c... |
| 10:27 | <ZeBigBoss> | Yes... |
| 10:27 | <Slaytanic> | Oh, that was for us... |
| 10:27 | <ZeBigBoss> | the 11- is like "a bit lower" |
| 10:28 | <ZeBigBoss> | but the 216000 is really the right frequency |
| 10:28 | <Slaytanic> | Ok |
| 10:28 | <ZeBigBoss> | I think I will make a .diff :-) (Really proud :-)) |
| 10:28 | <gerhard> | is there a way to add channels to the database without running mythfilldatabase which I cant because tv_grab_sn is not working anymore |
| 10:28 | <ZeBigBoss> | I just use EMS Mysql Manager on my Windows xp machine to edit the database by hand :-D |
| 10:29 | <gerhard> | which files do I have to edit? |
| 10:30 | <ZeBigBoss> | Only frequencies.c |
| 10:30 | <sfr> | gerhard: the channel editor in the setup program should work |
| 10:30 | <mikegrb> | that isn't exactly editing the database by hand |
| 10:30 | <ZeBigBoss> | Oh, the database? |
| 10:30 | <ZeBigBoss> | that is not a file! |
| 10:31 | <ZeBigBoss> | Use something like phpmysqladmin |
| 10:31 | <Slaytanic> | gerhard: Where are you located? |
| 10:32 | <gerhard> | Oslo norway |
| 10:32 | <Slaytanic> | Ok... I'm Swedish, and I had to do it manually... |
| 10:32 | <gerhard> | how |
| 10:32 | <Slaytanic> | I used PhpMyAdmin and entered the channels in to the database, the table is "channel" in database "mythconverg". |
| 10:32 | <Slaytanic> | sfr: You mean mythtv-setup? |
| 10:33 | <sfr> | Slaytanic: yes. but it's only available in 0.14 |
| 10:33 | <Slaytanic> | Oh, all right. I knew I should have waited a week with installing my Myth box... ;) |
| 10:34 | <gerhard> | has anybody tried mythtv 0.14 |
| 10:34 | * | pahli_bar raises his hand |
| 10:34 | * | sfr thinks distributions really should agree on a common name for setup |
| 10:34 | * | sfr too |
| 10:34 | <Slaytanic> | A common name for setup? |
| 10:35 | <sfr> | Slaytanic: your mythtv-setup is actually called setup in the sources |
| 10:35 | <gerhard> | and whats new/improved |
| 10:35 | <pahli_bar> | gerhard: www.mythtv.org (front page news) |
| 10:36 | <Slaytanic> | Oh, all right. Well, a binary called "setup" placed in /usr/bin wouldn't be to helpful, would it? :) |
| 10:36 | <Slaytanic> | gerhard: Check the front page on www.mythtv.org |
| 10:36 | <sfr> | yeah, it should be renamed in the myth sources. |
| 10:37 | <pahli_bar> | it could be named mythsetup in the spirit of rest of the program names. |
| 10:37 | <Slaytanic> | That would be logical, yeah. :) |
| 10:40 | <Slaytanic> | So, does anyone know this? When viewing a program in the EPG, there's an empty "episode" line... I can't find any column called "episode" in the mythconverg database, so where is this information stored? |
| 10:41 | <sfr> | Slaytanic: the amount of details in the EPG depends on you listings provider |
| 10:42 | <Slaytanic> | Well, I did my own converter, and I used regexp:s to parse out episode numbers, so they're in the feed allright... But I can't see where they're stored in the db! |
| 10:43 | <Slaytanic> | <episode-num system="onscreen">46</episode-num> |
| 10:44 | <Slaytanic> | That's how it looks like in my XML feed... |
| 10:45 | <sfr> | Slaytanic: you can always UTSL |
| 10:45 | <Slaytanic> | UTSL? |
| 10:45 | <sfr> | `Use the Source, Luke' |
| 10:46 | <Slaytanic> | Yeah, I'm looking at it now... |
| 10:46 | <pahli_bar> | Slaytanic: muse be in the program table |
| 10:46 | <Slaytanic> | I found the source for displaying the EPG... Seems like the "Episode:" field displays "subtitle", weird! |
| 10:46 | <Slaytanic> | QLabel *subtitlelabel = new QLabel(QObject::tr("Episode:"), parent); |
| 10:46 | <Slaytanic> | from "programinfo.cpp" |
| 10:48 | <pahli_bar> | Slaytanic: seems natural. title for the program name, subtitle for the episode |
| 10:49 | <Slaytanic> | I expected the "Episode" field to display the episode number (if available in the feed, of course), am I mistaken? |
| 10:49 | <pahli_bar> | Slaytanic: what do you mean by episode number? |
| 10:50 | <Slaytanic> | Like, X-file, Episode 4:12 |
| 10:50 | <sfr> | pahli_bar: 1, 2, 3, 4, ... :) |
| 10:50 | <Slaytanic> | errm X-files |
| 10:50 | <pahli_bar> | Slaytanic: ahh. that... makes more sense to supply episodes by names than by numbers |
| 10:51 | <Chutt> | MythTV 1.4 release Japanese translation being taken in, ? surprise! When you try inspecting, checking MythTV Japanese patch briskly, it has taken in, we would like to see. It is how energetic what. |
| 10:51 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 10:51 | <Slaytanic> | Well, all right. But still, why display the "subtitles" field there? |
| 10:51 | <Chutt> | because it's the episode title. |
| 10:52 | <Slaytanic> | Ah, okey. |
| 10:52 | <Slaytanic> | Doens't make sense to me, but all right. :) |
| 10:52 | <Chutt> | makes sense to me |
| 10:52 | <pahli_bar> | Chutt: did you "take" the translation or did they send it you ;) |
| 10:52 | <Chutt> | i took it |
| 10:52 | <pahli_bar> | heh. |
| 10:52 | <Chutt> | i need to find the guy who did it's email |
| 10:53 | <Slaytanic> | Chutt: So the subtitle field in the DB != the XMLTV subtitle tag? |
| 10:53 | <bitbyte> | is the gossamerthreads archive f the mailing lists gone?`i can seem to find the link off the mythtv.org anymoer |
| 10:53 | <bitbyte> | *can't |
| 10:53 | <Chutt> | slaytanic, err, it's the subtitle tag in xmltv and the subtitle field in the db |
| 10:54 | <pahli_bar> | bitbyte: http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInfo (bottom) |
| 10:54 | <Chutt> | which is why it's called the subtitle in the database |
| 10:55 | <bitbyte> | pahli, thats where ive been lookin, i dont see the link to gassoamer threads there |
| 10:55 | <Slaytanic> | Chutt: But the XMLTV subtitle tag is defined as <!ATTLIST subtitles type (teletext | onscreen) #IMPLIED> |
| 10:55 | <Chutt> | no, that's the subtitles tag. |
| 10:55 | <Chutt> | i'm talking about the sub-title tag. |
| 10:55 | <pahli_bar> | bitbyte: its kind of hidden:) (go for the second link on each line) |
| 10:55 | <sfr> | always those subtle differences |
| 10:56 | <Slaytanic> | Chutt: Ok, NOW I get it. Not a subtitle, a sub-title... Not easy to understand when the field in the db is called just subtitle. :) |
| 10:56 | <Chutt> | it's easy to understand if you look at it |
| 10:56 | <pahli_bar> | Slaytanic: best thing would be to look at the sql table |
| 10:56 | <Chutt> | and *gasp* look at the source |
| 10:57 | <Chutt> | the xml parser is simple. |
| 10:57 | <bitbyte> | got it, hrehre thx |
| 10:57 | <Slaytanic> | Well I AM looking at the source... I might not be a C++ programmer, but I know enough C to understand parts of the code... It was the sub-title vs subtitles issue that confused me. |
| 10:58 | <Chutt> | you're obviously not looking at the source to mythfilldatabase |
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| 10:58 | <Slaytanic> | pahli_bar: I looked at the SQL table, but there was no data in the subtitle field... That's why I investigated it. |
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| 10:59 | <pahli_bar> | Slaytanic: ahh. quite a few channels don't provide that info (or maybe your xml parser doesn't do it) |
| 11:00 | <Slaytanic> | Chutt: Nevermind, thanks for clarifying this to me... As said, the subtitle vs sub-title issue confused me. |
| 11:00 | <Slaytanic> | pahli_bar: Exactly... My grabber only generates title and description, not sub-title or anything like that... |
| 11:05 | <pahli_bar> | not too many complaints yet, eh. guess will have to wait till the binary packages get updated |
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| 11:08 | <Slaytanic> | What binary package are you waiting for? Which distro? |
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| 11:42 | <bitbyte> | hmm, i know this is a longshot, and i've checked the mailign lists, but does myth support the MSI tv card for the Mega pc's? those small PC' s are ideal for this use, but the pvr350 wont work in them |
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| 12:08 | <servo> | hello |
| 12:09 | <Slaytanic> | Hi |
| 12:14 | <servo> | hmm im just thinking of the best way to apporach getting my remote working with mythtv... hmm |
| 12:16 | <Slaytanic> | What kind of remote? |
| 12:18 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | point it at the box and push the buttons? |
| 12:18 | <pahli_bar> | heh |
| 12:18 | <[DOA]Tarkie> | :) |
| 12:18 | <Slaytanic> | That's a good start. :) |
| 12:19 | * | Rince has a Rotel-IR and will try soon to check wether he can use it too instead of the PVR350-Remote (since that one is not going far enough) |
| 12:24 | <Rince> | question: is it possible to "cut" a record into different parts which are independent from each other? |
| 12:24 | <Rince> | i have something which is ~3h long and won't fit on one DVD.. and I just want to split it |
| 12:25 | <Rince> | just via mythtv - say "here is a good point to cut; please split the record here" |
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| 12:32 | <cfreeze> | What key code actually plays a movie in the video manager? |
| 12:32 | <cfreeze> | I can see the files, but can't get a key to actually start playing the file |
| 12:32 | <Slaytanic> | Enter and space, I think |
| 12:32 | <Slaytanic> | No, wait.. |
| 12:33 | <cfreeze> | I see a window pop up saying loading, but then it goes back to the browser |
| 12:33 | <Slaytanic> | The video manager is only for adding covers etc... AFAIk. |
| 12:33 | <Slaytanic> | To play, go to the browse vids or video list |
| 12:33 | <Slaytanic> | ...to those buttons, I mean. |
| 12:33 | <cfreeze> | Slaytanic: that's where I get the screen saying loading |
| 12:33 | <cfreeze> | I've replaced /usr/local/bin/mplayer with a shell script to log what is being done |
| 12:34 | <cfreeze> | but it looks like it's never getting called |
| 12:34 | <Slaytanic> | Go to Videos->Video list instead of "Video manager" |
| 12:35 | <cfreeze> | ok...went there, enter/space do nothing |
| 12:36 | <cfreeze> | no long generated either |
| 12:36 | <cfreeze> | s/long/log |
| 12:36 | <cfreeze> | even using the keyboard nothing... |
| 12:36 | <cfreeze> | hmm.. |
| 12:37 | <Slaytanic> | Is the path to the player set correctly in the settings? |
| 12:38 | <cfreeze> | the path at the bottom looks correct, even though the command line opts are trunicated due to the field length |
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| 12:39 | <Slaytanic> | Well, can't help you further... |
| 12:40 | <enki> | hi, im curious...what options are there for people with digital cable, ie roadrunner int he US, where there are more than 125 channels? can tuner cards decode that like regular cable, or is it proprietary basd on the set-top box? |
| 12:40 | <cmorgan> | enki: you use an ir blaster to signal to the box to change its channel |
| 12:40 | <Slaytanic> | The IR blaster acts like a remote control... |
| 12:41 | <enki> | uh huh...can mythtv still do its pvr thing tho, with that kind of setup? |
| 12:41 | <enki> | im not familiar with the ir blaster |
| 12:42 | <enki> | ahh i see |
| 12:43 | <cfreeze> | got it to invoke now |
| 12:43 | <cfreeze> | odd...wish there was a super vebose option on the backend/frontend |
| 12:43 | <enki> | so does mythtv requite special configuration then to work w/ this? |
| 12:43 | <enki> | and so mythtv just receives which analog channel the set-top box has decoded at any given time... |
| 12:45 | <cmorgan> | huh? |
| 12:45 | <cmorgan> | mythtv SET the channel |
| 12:46 | <cfreeze> | doesn't look like it's putting the file in quotes |
| 12:46 | <cmorgan> | so it knows what channel you have selected |
| 12:46 | <cfreeze> | so spaces are throwing it off? |
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| 12:55 | <enki> | pretty interesting stuff |
| 13:07 | <enki> | ok i got my dream system i wanna build: asus pundit 180.00, celeron 2.4Ghz 71.00, corsair 1gig ddr pc2700 dual bundle 144.00, samsumg 160gig ata133 99.00, hauppauge pvr 250 122.00 and a toshiba 16x dvd-rom for 32.00... |
| 13:07 | <enki> | grand total of 648.99 |
| 13:07 | <enki> | missing anything, think i can find better prices, etc? |
| 13:07 | <Chutt> | you don't need anywhere near that much ram |
| 13:08 | <enki> | you think? |
| 13:08 | <sfr> | getting it all set up and working, priceless. |
| 13:08 | <enki> | sfr, true true |
| 13:08 | <Chutt> | and you can get a pvr-250 or variant of it for much cheaper |
| 13:08 | <Chutt> | and the pundit doesn't fit all dvdroms |
| 13:08 | <pahli_bar> | does the pundit have built in motherboard? |
| 13:08 | <Chutt> | pahli_bar, yeah |
| 13:08 | <enki> | yeah |
| 13:08 | <Chutt> | hey, btw |
| 13:08 | <enki> | how much ram do you think i need? |
| 13:08 | <Chutt> | what are your plans now that 14's out? |
| 13:09 | <Chutt> | 512's more than enough |
| 13:09 | * | pahli_bar hides |
| 13:09 | <enki> | my plans? |
| 13:09 | <Chutt> | no, pahli_bar's |
| 13:09 | <Chutt> | i was thinking of messing around with mythmusic some |
| 13:09 | <enki> | should i buy two 265's or one 512 stick? |
| 13:09 | <pahli_bar> | immediate todo list: add libexif and gphoto2 support for mythgallery. |
| 13:09 | <enki> | 256, even |
| 13:09 | <Slaytanic> | 256 MB is said to be enough... |
| 13:09 | <enki> | pc2700 |
| 13:10 | <Chutt> | replace the tree list with your uibtnlist |
| 13:10 | <pahli_bar> | Chutt: yeah, mythmusic music selection needs working.. |
| 13:10 | <pahli_bar> | Chutt: one problem which might arise is that the number of levels in the tree is not fixed |
| 13:10 | <Chutt> | and merging in sfr's thing |
| 13:10 | <Chutt> | true |
| 13:11 | <pahli_bar> | we could have nextstep/apple style sliding levels... |
| 13:11 | <Chutt> | but i think that can be worked around |
| 13:11 | <Chutt> | sliding levels? |
| 13:11 | <pahli_bar> | lemmee grab a screenshot |
| 13:12 | <enki> | whats the name of the pvr 250's chipset? so i can find a cheaper variant |
| 13:12 | <threep> | hey, is it possible to pull a "livetv" stream into a plugin? |
| 13:13 | <Chutt> | threep, sure, all plugins have access to libmythtv which does all that |
| 13:13 | <pahli_bar> | Chutt: best i could find is this: http://www.gnustep.org/images/GWorkspace.jpg |
| 13:13 | <threep> | I found the tv_play.h header in CVS, but it isn't isntalled on my 0.13 system. |
| 13:13 | <Chutt> | threep, it's not installed, right, but that's easy to fix |
| 13:13 | <threep> | is that a new header file in 0.14? |
| 13:13 | <pahli_bar> | Chutt: see the window titled fileviewer |
| 13:13 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 13:13 | <threep> | ah. |
| 13:14 | <Chutt> | how would that deal with more than 4 levels? |
| 13:14 | <threep> | that would explain it. |
| 13:14 | <Chutt> | push the left most back? |
| 13:14 | <pahli_bar> | Chutt: yup |
| 13:14 | <pahli_bar> | Chutt: maybe in a faded/half-shown manner |
| 13:14 | <sfr> | Chutt: does merging imply reworking/fixing? ;) |
| 13:14 | <Chutt> | sfr, there were a few things i wanted to change |
| 13:14 | <Chutt> | biggest being what decides what type of input to use |
| 13:15 | <sfr> | Chutt: i'm not surprised |
| 13:15 | <enki> | Chutt, can you off the top of your head name a dvd-rom that you know fits in the pundit for sure? |
| 13:15 | <Chutt> | enki, nope |
| 13:15 | <enki> | a warm fuzzy? |
| 13:15 | <Chutt> | i don't have a pundit. |
| 13:15 | <pahli_bar> | Chutt: hopefully most people will have only 3-4 levels and so will not have to deal with that |
| 13:15 | <Chutt> | genre, artist, album, track |
| 13:15 | <Chutt> | well, top level's 5 |
| 13:15 | <Chutt> | how 'bout making it more tree like? |
| 13:16 | <Chutt> | make a gap on the one that opens up, and indent the next level a little |
| 13:16 | <pahli_bar> | Chutt: ahh... that sounds good too. calls for a new uitype |
| 13:16 | <Chutt> | right, but based off of your existing one |
| 13:16 | <pahli_bar> | Chutt: yeah |
| 13:17 | <Chutt> | i'll need to add icon support to it, anyway |
| 13:17 | <Chutt> | so i can keep using the freeamp tree icons |
| 13:17 | <pahli_bar> | Chutt: ? |
| 13:17 | <Chutt> | the icons in the music selection tree |
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| 13:18 | <pahli_bar> | ok. and that plan of having triple-state selection too |
| 13:18 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 13:18 | <Chutt> | been using mythmusic more recently, so i want to make the ui better =) |
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| 13:19 | <pahli_bar> | Chutt: its the plugin i use the most... so there is definitely motivation here too |
| 13:20 | <pahli_bar> | we should get the theme developers/artistically-inclined-people to do mockups. easier to work towards a target (my artistic abilities are rather limited) |
| 13:20 | <aceat64> | does anyone in here use gentoo? |
| 13:20 | <Octane> | Chutt are you planning to move also move game and music to Renchi's new look? |
| 13:21 | <Octane> | speak of Renchi |
| 13:21 | * | pahli_bar is renchi |
| 13:21 | <Octane> | ill just are you pahli_bar |
| 13:21 | <Octane> | i knew that hence the speak of :) |
| 13:21 | <Octane> | are=ask |
| 13:21 | <pahli_bar> | Octane: scroll up a bit. you will find your answer there :) |
| 13:21 | <DJ_Rican> | chutt: when renaming videos in video manager, i cannot use the "0", do you know why? IE: if i want to name one episode 10, i can't.... |
| 13:21 | <cfreeze> | found my problem |
| 13:22 | <cfreeze> | mplayer keeps giving an illegal instruction |
| 13:22 | <cfreeze> | blah... |
| 13:23 | <Octane> | use xine :) |
| 13:24 | <pahli_bar> | Chutt: the treeview will prove to be slightly more tricky than the current "listbox" style one(i remember the nightmares of developing a custom qiconview). i will start hacking on it immediately. |
| 13:24 | <Octane> | pahli_bar, when i read mythnews update i was hoping more than 255 chars per news post :) |
| 13:24 | <Octane> | nonetheless, great work on both plugins, they look a million times better |
| 13:25 | <Octane> | thank you :) |
| 13:25 | <pahli_bar> | Octane: its a fine balance between people clamoring for bigger fonts and those wanting more content. i will have a popup window which shows more detailed info for the next version |
| 13:26 | <Octane> | sounds good, well done |
| 13:27 | <Octane> | i had mythnews removed from my menu but with this new version, its back in there |
| 13:27 | <bitbyte> | hmm, i know this is a longshot, and i've checked the mailign lists, but does myth support the MSI tv card for the Mega pc's? those small PC' s are ideal for this use, but the pvr350 wont work in them, any ideas? |
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| 13:28 | <pahli_bar> | bitbyte: if bttv goto: http://bytesex.org/bttv/, if ivtv goto: http://ivtv.sf.net |
| 13:28 | <pahli_bar> | bitbyte: i'm betting on the former |
| 13:28 | <Octane> | are you talking about physically wont work in them? |
| 13:28 | <Octane> | like the card wont fit? |
| 13:28 | <pahli_bar> | i guess he means physically fit. |
| 13:29 | <pahli_bar> | i think there is yuan lowprofile card, supported by ivtv |
| 13:29 | <pahli_bar> | also avermedia is coming out a lowprofile card (will be sometime before its supported) |
| 13:29 | <Octane> | most pvr250 users bend it, i dont know if its possible with a 350 |
| 13:30 | <pahli_bar> | heh. i setup the new mythgallery transitions on the tv and wife's reaction was: boring :) |
| 13:30 | <bitbyte> | it fits just wont work, msi knows about it |
| 13:30 | <Octane> | tell her thousands of your cyber friends like it so tough :P |
| 13:31 | <sfr> | and cyber girlfriends |
| 13:31 | <Octane> | lol |
| 13:31 | <pahli_bar> | heh |
| 13:32 | <pahli_bar> | bitbyte: looks like a bttv card. |
| 13:32 | <bitbyte> | pahli, i dont knwo if its bttv or nto, very little info out there, msi wants you to use their app and not others |
| 13:32 | <bitbyte> | oh? |
| 13:32 | <pahli_bar> | guessing by the price :) |
| 13:32 | <bitbyte> | ohh |
| 13:33 | <pahli_bar> | http://home.t-online.de/home/gunther.mayer/bttv/bttv-gallery.html |
| 13:33 | <Octane> | im so mad at myself for not buying one of those 250's that was going for 88 on ebay |
| 13:34 | <pahli_bar> | Octane: the avermedia m179 still sells for 79$ |
| 13:34 | <Chutt> | pahli_bar, if you want to mess with a tree view, sure, but i'd be happy to do it too |
| 13:34 | <Chutt> | if there's something else you'd rather work on instead |
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| 13:35 | <pahli_bar> | Chutt: either way its fine. i will see what i can do. adding gphoto2 and libexif shouldn't be difficult (the code is already there in digikam. i just have to rip it out) |
| 13:35 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 13:36 | <Octane> | are there any estimates on the number of myth users out there |
| 13:36 | <pahli_bar> | i ripped out the myth opengl transitions and put in digikam :) |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | lots |
| 13:37 | <Octane> | :p |
| 13:37 | <Chutt> | download counts for the source tarballs are all on the website |
| 13:38 | <Chutt> | 0.13 was around 25k |
| 13:38 | <pahli_bar> | wow. |
| 13:38 | <Chutt> | doesn't count the rpms or anything, but.. |
| 13:38 | <Octane> | plus rpm's plus ebuilds |
| 13:38 | <sfr> | wow |
| 13:38 | <Chutt> | gives an idea |
| 13:38 | <threep> | ebuilds download the source tarballs. |
| 13:38 | <pahli_bar> | wonder how much of those were our japanese friends |
| 13:38 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 13:38 | <threep> | every gentoo user get the ebuild, |
| 13:38 | <threep> | but doesn't necessarily install |
| 13:38 | <Chutt> | yeah, but who the hell uses gentoo? :p |
| 13:38 | <pahli_bar> | they should be smacked for that :) |
| 13:39 | <threep> | me. :-) |
| 13:39 | <Octane> | ah i didnt know that |
| 13:39 | <Chutt> | mailing lists are around 1300 for -dev, 2400 for -users |
| 13:39 | <pahli_bar> | threep: is it an official ebuild? |
| 13:39 | <threep> | mythtv? yes. |
| 13:39 | <threep> | and mythvideo, mythnews, mythweather, etc. |
| 13:39 | <Chutt> | 700 people on -commits, which is crazy |
| 13:40 | <pahli_bar> | and it uses cvs.... tch,tch |
| 13:40 | <Octane> | thats crazy, dev list if more than half users |
| 13:40 | <Chutt> | pahli_bar, the official ones use the release |
| 13:40 | <Chutt> | some people have cvs ebuilds |
| 13:40 | <pahli_bar> | Chutt: how many official developers? |
| 13:40 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 13:40 | <Chutt> | 13? |
| 13:40 | <Chutt> | i think |
| 13:40 | <Chutt> | but that's counting moegreen |
| 13:40 | <pahli_bar> | not bad at all |
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