| --- | Log | opened Tue Jan 27 00:00:10 2004 |
| --- | Day | changed Tue Jan 27 2004 |
| 00:00 | <KeyserSoze> | saw lots of people on the web who bought them for that much, though :( |
| 00:00 | <KeyserSoze> | also, a bunch of lucky bastards got m179s for $50. |
| 00:00 | <tmk> | yeah |
| 00:00 | <tmk> | newegg had them |
| 00:01 | <Netslayer> | hmm ya your right, around 100 right now |
| 00:01 | <tmk> | you'll probably want a pvr350 though, in a few weeks |
| 00:01 | <KeyserSoze> | newegg has the m179 for $80 now, and the pvr250 for $135, but are out of stock |
| 00:01 | <tmk> | (after you get a pvr250) |
| 00:01 | <paulc35> | Well folks, gonna sleep, thanks for the help. I've been using my pvr for several months now, getting ramped up to use it bug time, now with the hardware decoding I'm ready to go :) |
| 00:01 | <paulc35> | ooop...big time, hopefully no bugs! |
| 00:01 | <KeyserSoze> | i was going to use tuner cards in a dedicated backend machine, and get either 2 xbox's or 2 mini-ipx machines for frontends. |
| 00:01 | <paulc35> | g;night |
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| 00:02 | <KeyserSoze> | i've only been planning this for 2 days now though :) |
| 00:02 | <tmk> | :) |
| 00:03 | <Aridhol> | If I have the mythTV front end on my TV and doing all the myth stuff on the tv could I still have like an xchat window open on a monitor ? Or is it like a dedicated capture/playback machine? |
| 00:03 | <Netslayer> | mythtv is just an X window |
| 00:03 | <Netslayer> | u can have it in the background |
| 00:04 | <Netslayer> | if ur talking about performance..depends on your cpu |
| 00:04 | <Aridhol> | so if I have email etc.. on the monitor and myth on my tv it wont affect it much, if at all? |
| 00:04 | <Netslayer> | with a pvr250 encoding is next to nill, playback with a geforce mx card will be around 15% |
| 00:04 | <Aridhol> | cool |
| 00:04 | <KeyserSoze> | does the gfmx have a hardware mpeg2 decoder? |
| 00:04 | <cmorgan> | thats at 720x480 and max datarate? |
| 00:04 | <Netslayer> | for me I use v4l capture -> mpeg4 720x480 4500 so it's around 50-60% |
| 00:04 | <cmorgan> | how about at say 12000? |
| 00:05 | <Netslayer> | KeyserSoze, i believe so |
| 00:05 | <KeyserSoze> | you use mpeg4, though? |
| 00:05 | <Netslayer> | KeyserSoze, unless that's all a gimic |
| 00:05 | <tmk> | no it doesn't have a hw decoder |
| 00:05 | <Netslayer> | i don't use the pvr series so i can't tell u for sure, but i know it's very low |
| 00:05 | <tmk> | it has some hardware that helps in scaling |
| 00:05 | <tmk> | so full-screen is easy |
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| 00:06 | <Netslayer> | tmk, doesn't it mention on the boxes mpeg2 decoder |
| 00:06 | <tmk> | the gfmx? |
| 00:06 | <Netslayer> | or is that all software done..and marketed |
| 00:06 | <tmk> | it has some hardware assisting |
| 00:06 | * | Netslayer gets his box |
| 00:06 | <tmk> | but it's not a decoder |
| 00:07 | <KeyserSoze> | minimyth uses the hardware mpeg2 decoder on via epia boards. before i found that ought i was skeptical of such a wimpy processor being up to the task of being a mythtv front end. |
| 00:08 | <tmk> | yeah it needs that decoder |
| 00:08 | <Netslayer> | well that box isn't helpfull, it just states enables DVD playback on low cpus |
| 00:08 | <tmk> | yeah |
| 00:08 | <tmk> | offloads some things |
| 00:08 | <tmk> | but not full decoding |
| 00:09 | <Chutt2> | tmk, hey, what do you think of that decoder window patch? |
| 00:09 | <Netslayer> | Video Processing Engine (VPE) |
| 00:09 | <Netslayer> | The VPE includes the most complete hardware MPEG2 decoder, sub picture alpha blend processor and de-interlacing circuitry to ensure these new mobile GPUs unequivocally deliver the industry's best video playback, while delivering the longest battery life possible. |
| 00:09 | <tmk> | seemed ok. was waiting for some more test results |
| 00:09 | <tmk> | but it looks like they aren't coming in ;) |
| 00:10 | <Chutt2> | be kinda neat to have mythtv doing that |
| 00:10 | <tmk> | yeah |
| 00:10 | <tmk> | might help with the epg crashes |
| 00:10 | <tmk> | <shrug> |
| 00:10 | <KeyserSoze> | is it possible to have a more powerful machine (powerful enough to software decode mpeg2 or mpeg4) still be quiet enough to not be noticeable? or would i be better off with a fanless diskless via epia, with HW decoding of mpeg2? |
| 00:10 | <Chutt2> | well, doubt that |
| 00:10 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | Chutt, did you apply the commfree patch to your tree to put in CVS after 0.14? |
| 00:10 | <Chutt2> | since it's probably still doing all the decoding |
| 00:10 | <Chutt2> | captain_murdoch, no, i didn't apply it at all |
| 00:10 | <tmk> | it's the osd that makes it go crashycrashy |
| 00:10 | <Netslayer> | hmm...it's very hard to make a quiet system, trust me |
| 00:11 | <Netslayer> | well it's mainly the power supply in my case |
| 00:11 | <Chutt2> | just saw that it changed frontend/backend compatability and punted on it |
| 00:11 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | ok, I'll take care of that and get it in sometime after 0.14. |
| 00:11 | <Chutt2> | tmk, yeah, but the epg would still be doing stuff |
| 00:11 | <Chutt2> | ie, the osd :p |
| 00:11 | <tmk> | yeah, but no transparency |
| 00:11 | <Chutt2> | sure it would |
| 00:11 | <Chutt2> | that little window would have to be transparent |
| 00:11 | <KeyserSoze> | i was considering keeping a single unit for front and backend, but put a passthrough in the wall so only the remote controls IR receiver and a USB dvd rom would be in the living room :) |
| 00:11 | <tmk> | but local alpha seems to be ok |
| 00:11 | <Chutt2> | hmm |
| 00:11 | <Chutt2> | true |
| 00:11 | <tmk> | seems that just global alpha has issues |
| 00:11 | <tmk> | someone had a big test case |
| 00:12 | <Netslayer> | passthrough = big hole? |
| 00:12 | <tmk> | possibly david engel |
| 00:12 | <tmk> | they talked about it a bit |
| 00:12 | <tmk> | might have been anduin |
| 00:12 | <Chutt2> | captain_murdoch, hey, you looked at the other commercial detection patch? |
| 00:12 | <Chutt2> | tmk, yeah, i think i remember it now |
| 00:12 | <KeyserSoze> | Netslayer: i'd put in boxes and plates like for electrical outlets, probably. |
| 00:12 | <Netslayer> | actually that sounds cool |
| 00:12 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | chutt, got that saved off also to take a look at and comment on. haven't had a chance to look through all of it yet though. |
| 00:12 | <Chutt2> | ok |
| 00:12 | <Netslayer> | if it reaches that is |
| 00:12 | <Chutt2> | i just don't like leaving the guy hanging |
| 00:13 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | I'll reply to him tonight. |
| 00:13 | <Chutt2> | no one's really commented on his patches yet |
| 00:13 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | was just looking at that. |
| 00:13 | <Chutt2> | great, thanks |
| 00:13 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | one guy said he was going to test but he hasn't replied yet that I know of. |
| 00:13 | <tmk> | http://www.poptix.net/ivtv/Jan-2004/msg00720.html |
| 00:13 | <tmk> | was chris kennedy |
| 00:14 | <Chutt2> | i feel bad for him |
| 00:14 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | another guy asked me for a copy of the logo detection code I was working on so maybe there's someone else out there looking at other methods. |
| 00:14 | <KeyserSoze> | Netslayer: if you use coax for the video and audio, that'd work for quite a ways. rs232 for the IR would go a long way, too, or converting it to rs422 would get a couple thousand feet :). the most limiting thing would be the USB or firewire dvd drive, if you use one. |
| 00:14 | <thor_> | is there a full moon or something ? |
| 00:14 | <Chutt2> | (chris kennedy, that is) |
| 00:14 | <Chutt2> | he's going to have to deal with brad, apparently |
| 00:14 | <Chutt2> | captain_murdoch, that'd be cool =) |
| 00:15 | <Chutt2> | get commercial detection fixed up for darker shows =) |
| 00:15 | <tmk> | what happened with chris? |
| 00:15 | <Chutt2> | tmk, read brad allen's most recent post to your list :p |
| 00:15 | <cmorgan> | heh |
| 00:15 | <Chutt2> | tmk, anyway, if you put out a release with the fixed window code, i'll get that supported in mythtv |
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| 00:16 | <Chutt2> | hope the minimum size for the decoder window is something similar to the default preview window size in the epg |
| 00:17 | <ChaosExiguum> | windowed decoding :o) |
| 00:17 | <Netslayer> | KeyserSoze, oh i totaly forgot about the firewire/usb deal for drives in nux, heh was thinking you were going for an 18inch ata cable |
| 00:17 | <tmk> | chutt: heh.. his firmware is crashed |
| 00:17 | <tmk> | and he's blaming chris |
| 00:17 | <Chutt2> | well, and mythtv |
| 00:17 | <Chutt2> | and me |
| 00:18 | <Chutt2> | it's all part of the conspiracy! |
| 00:18 | <tmk> | hehe |
| 00:18 | <tmk> | yeah i deleted that |
| 00:18 | <tmk> | he tends to be... verbose |
| 00:18 | <Chutt2> | oh, you probably didn't see his rant |
| 00:18 | <KeyserSoze> | Netslayer, actually, my server is only about 18" from my tv right now, on opposite sides of a wall :D |
| 00:18 | <tmk> | yeah i just read it |
| 00:18 | <tmk> | 'horribly incapable' |
| 00:18 | <Chutt2> | on mythtv-dev/users |
| 00:18 | <tmk> | oh no |
| 00:18 | <tmk> | didn't see that one |
| 00:18 | <ChaosExiguum> | watch out for chutt's hidden agenda |
| 00:19 | <Chutt2> | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2004-January/018392.html |
| 00:19 | <tmk> | rofl |
| 00:19 | <Chutt2> | it's hilarious |
| 00:20 | <Captain_Murdoch_> | at least this time he didn't attach the _whole_ 81MB log file he mentions. ;) |
| 00:20 | <Truin> | omg - this is funny as fsck! |
| 00:21 | <cmorgan> | wow |
| 00:21 | * | cmorgan is pro-drug |
| 00:21 | <tmk> | he talks about gays a lot |
| 00:22 | <tmk> | does he prefer the company of men? |
| 00:22 | <Chutt2> | i dunno |
| 00:22 | <Truin> | heterogeneous communications systems? wtf? |
| 00:22 | <Chutt2> | and i'm not really sure about the 'didn't look at his name carefully enough' bit |
| 00:22 | <tmk> | i think he does: "...I was an avid |
| 00:22 | <tmk> | anti-drug advocate during many of my years on gay NYC IRC channels |
| 00:22 | <tmk> | "... |
| 00:22 | <Chutt2> | heh |
| 00:23 | <KeyserSoze> | heck, i sometimes feel awkward mentioning the gender of cable connections with people i don't know, let alone sexual orientation. |
| 00:23 | <Chutt2> | the dude's just fucked up |
| 00:23 | <ChaosExiguum> | i read it as he thinks you know him from somewhere else |
| 00:23 | <tmk> | heh. 'i need a lesbian rca adapter' |
| 00:23 | <ChaosExiguum> | lol! |
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| 00:23 | <Chutt2> | naw, he just pissed me off with his rant after the 0.1.9 ivtv release about dave's version check |
| 00:24 | <tmk> | ? |
| 00:24 | <KeyserSoze> | lol. i called a db9 female to femal adapter a 'lesbian adapter' once, but that was only to a coworker i know quite well. |
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| 00:24 | <tmk> | i just said it to all of you |
| 00:24 | <Chutt2> | heh |
| 00:24 | <tmk> | who i barely no |
| 00:24 | <tmk> | w |
| 00:24 | <tmk> | alksdjf;:.. know |
| 00:25 | <tmk> | chutt: i think david mentioned that the smallest scaled size was 1/4 the original |
| 00:25 | <ChaosExiguum> | the term lesbian adapter could be confusing... is the adapter lesbian its self, or is it for lesbian cables? |
| 00:25 | <Chutt2> | hrm |
| 00:25 | <Chutt2> | that could be a problem |
| 00:25 | <tmk> | well if you capture at a smaller resolution |
| 00:25 | <Chutt2> | won't fit the default theme |
| 00:25 | <Chutt2> | yeah, but i'd have to switch to a lower resolution on the fly |
| 00:26 | <Chutt2> | don't think it'd like that |
| 00:26 | <tmk> | close/reopen? |
| 00:26 | <Chutt2> | lose your buffered data |
| 00:26 | <tmk> | ah |
| 00:26 | <tmk> | well if you're looking in the guide |
| 00:26 | <tmk> | you probably don't care ;) |
| 00:27 | <Chutt2> | i like to go to the guide to see what's on later |
| 00:27 | <KeyserSoze> | does transcoding from mpeg2 to mpeg4 take more or less cpu than encoding raw data to mpeg4? |
| 00:27 | <Chutt2> | maybe mark stuff to be recorded |
| 00:27 | <Chutt2> | maybe i'll rearrange the theme for it a little |
| 00:28 | <Chutt2> | bigger space for the video or something |
| 00:28 | <tmk> | well i havent tested any of it |
| 00:28 | <tmk> | i'll throw it in later maybe |
| 00:28 | <tmk> | goin to watch some soccer now |
| 00:28 | <Chutt2> | heh, allright |
| 00:28 | <Chutt2> | later, then =) |
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| 00:30 | <KeyserSoze> | is there a good source of info on pros and cons of various file formats and resolutions? i read http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1, but would like more info if it's available |
| 00:32 | <ChaosExiguum> | KeyserSoze, I would immagine transcoding takes the same |
| 00:32 | <KeyserSoze> | so, if i decide to use mpeg4 for recordings, there isn't really an advantage to a card with a HW mpeg2 encoder? |
| 00:33 | <KeyserSoze> | except perhaps it will keep video and audio sync'd easier? |
| 00:33 | <Truin> | and a lot less CPU time. |
| 00:33 | <ChaosExiguum> | Truin: KeyserSoze is proposing transcoding the mpeg2 -> mpeg4 anyways |
| 00:34 | <Chutt> | stupid mailer bounce messages are always worse than the virus mails themselves |
| 00:35 | <ChaosExiguum> | KeyserSoze, if you are going to use mpeg4 a bttv card may be better since it will also allow you to use video fileters (unless Im wrong and they work with mpeg2 hw cards aswell) |
| 00:35 | <Truin> | ChaosExiguum: I'd love to transcode my mpeg2 to mpeg4. Only problem is, I can't find an easy way to do it. :( nuvexport seems to work fine, but doesn't keep the video/audio in sync, and I can't figure out why, and can't find any docs on nuvexport ANYWHERE. |
| 00:36 | <Truin> | and even then, the mpeg4 .avi file won't play in anything but mythtv - not xine, not media player. :( |
| 00:37 | <ChaosExiguum> | Truin, hmm.. I dont have any expirence using nuvexport, but that does sound odd |
| 00:37 | <KeyserSoze> | Truin, i was just reading this, i don't know if it'd help you: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-21.html#ss21.1 |
| 00:37 | <Truin> | I'd prefer to be able to pull the .nuv file, rename it to .mpg, stick it in something like Adobe Premiere and press it that way, but, seems that some apps don't like the PVR-250's mpeg stream. :( |
| 00:38 | <ChaosExiguum> | Truin, what stream type are you recording as? |
| 00:38 | <Truin> | KeyserSoze: been all over that. :) Have been playing with some of it trying to figure out my audio sync issue - not getting very far, tho. |
| 00:38 | <Truin> | mpeg2-PS |
| 00:38 | <Truin> | I've also thought about changing that.... but don't really know what's 'best' to set it to. |
| 00:38 | <Truin> | (and don't have time to sit around for hours playing with it, unfortunately) |
| 00:39 | <Truin> | oh, how I miss the days when computers were just a hobby, and not my nightmare career. :) |
| 00:39 | <ChaosExiguum> | I have read the hauppage has been perfecting the dvd-special2 stream since thats what win xp mce uses |
| 00:40 | <Truin> | hm. I might play with that, do maybe a 5min clip for testing. Thanks for the tip. |
| 00:40 | <ChaosExiguum> | you could probably make a bunch of clips using test_ioctl & cat for testing in about 20min |
| 00:40 | <Chutt> | audio sync issues in mythtv? |
| 00:41 | <Chutt> | or other programs |
| 00:41 | <Truin> | audio sync issues in the mpeg4 file, pressed from the recorded mpeg2 that myth recorded. So, sync issues in the transcode. ;) |
| 00:42 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 00:42 | <Truin> | don't worry, Chutt, mythtv is working just fine. ;) |
| 00:42 | <Chutt> | ok, just checking |
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| 00:42 | <Truin> | it's my lack of HD space causing the issue. ;) |
| 00:43 | <ChaosExiguum> | Truin, ahh, you just need a 1TB firewire drive :o) |
| 00:43 | <KeyserSoze> | Truin, how much disk space do you have? |
| 00:44 | <Truin> | I'm using two 30gb's, one for my mp3's and divx, one for the TV recordings. So, in short, a 30gb for TV. I don't watch live TV on it, just record. At mpeg2 2200kbit, I get about 1.1gb/hr, which I'd like to get down to about 300gb/hr for storage. |
| 00:44 | <KeyserSoze> | i just got 2 160GB drives from compusa for $60 each. only 1 rebate per household, so i need to borrow some friends mailing addresses to get any more. |
| 00:45 | <Truin> | I'd be OK with a larger mpeg2 size, say up to 3gb/hr, if I can press it down for archival. |
| 00:45 | <KeyserSoze> | ah, so you could watch tv in mpeg2 every day, and then run a batch job to transcode it when you aren't watching tv? |
| 00:45 | <Truin> | yeah, something like that. |
| 00:46 | <KeyserSoze> | oh, there's a 80gb western digital from office depot for $20 after mail in rebate. |
| 00:46 | <Truin> | so, let's say, I could record my Enterprise and 24 eps, then press 'em down and move 'em over to the MythVideo part for playback in xine. |
| 00:46 | <KeyserSoze> | Truin, would you use one machine for frontend and backend? |
| 00:47 | <Netslayer> | hmm that's not good "ran out of free AUDIO buffers :-(" |
| 00:47 | <Truin> | uhm... eventually, I'll have just the one box hooked up to the TV, and when *I* watch stuff it'll be on my PC downstairs. But, the family would want to watch recorded stuff on the TV. |
| 00:47 | <KeyserSoze> | i would like to find a cheap, quiet, attractive machine, that can decode mpeg4. |
| 00:48 | <Netslayer> | crap it's stuck in a crashing loop |
| 00:49 | * | KeyserSoze yanks Netslayer's power cord :p |
| 00:49 | * | Netslayer hits the reboot button |
| 00:49 | <Truin> | KeyserSoze: looks for a DVD player from a company called KISS. I think they're in Denmark. Anyway, does everything from vcd/svcd to mp3's to dvd to mpeg4 Simple Profile. |
| 00:49 | <Netslayer> | i have the power button on my remote scripted to reboot the box |
| 00:49 | <Truin> | Netslayer: nice. :) |
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| 00:50 | <Netslayer> | eject also, plus a button to restore my alsa sound profiles when ogle screws up the digital audio, hmm oh and the big 'kill' button that kills the frontend ;-) |
| 00:50 | <KeyserSoze> | Truin, is that a settop box? or can you run myth's front end on it? |
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| 00:51 | <roz> | hello |
| 00:51 | <Netslayer> | heh |
| 00:51 | <Netslayer> | root@server chris # reboot |
| 00:51 | <Netslayer> | Segmentation fault |
| 00:51 | <Netslayer> | this it's overheating dang |
| 00:51 | <ChaosExiguum> | oopsie |
| 00:51 | <Netslayer> | dang i gotta get that lm sensor crap working |
| 00:51 | <Truin> | KeyserSoze: it's a set-top. :( |
| 00:51 | <roz> | derek@echologic.com |
| 00:52 | <KeyserSoze> | heh. it probably already runs linux, though |
| 00:52 | <Truin> | I think so. |
| 00:52 | <roz> | where might i find the kernel module lirc_i2c? |
| 00:52 | <ChaosExiguum> | KeyserSoze, it does indeed, the main mplayer dev thinks they stole code from him, got a /. artical |
| 00:53 | <KeyserSoze> | damn. that sucks. |
| 00:53 | <Truin> | ChaosExiguum: hehehe, that's great. I should go find that. |
| 00:53 | <KeyserSoze> | do you know what cpu they use, or if they have special hardware for decoding? |
| 00:53 | <ChaosExiguum> | yea, looks like they were just lazy too, because it was not hard code |
| 00:53 | <Truin> | they're using the Cinemagic decoder, I think. |
| 00:54 | <KeyserSoze> | Truin, does that do divx and xvid and all that other stuff, or just mpeg2? |
| 00:56 | <KeyserSoze> | they claim an average of 34 hours, with a 80gb disk |
| 00:56 | <Truin> | according to their docs, it does any MPEG4 Simple Profile, which would include DivX and XviD |
| 00:57 | <KeyserSoze> | do they need a big honkin cpu to do that? |
| 01:00 | * | KeyserSoze goes to sleep |
| 01:00 | <KeyserSoze> | thanks for answering my questions guys, i'll probably see you around. |
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| 01:05 | <roz> | does anyone know how to compile lirc w/ the i2c support for the hauppauge remote? |
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| 01:11 | <Truin> | roz: I used the lirc that comes packaged with mythtv, worked fine. |
| 01:12 | <Truin> | ok, goin' home now. See you all from there. Bye! |
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| 01:27 | <dmitry> | is it possible to take screenshots of frontend? i haven't found anything in keys.txt |
| 01:28 | <Chutt> | any reason not to use a standard screenshot app? |
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| 01:30 | <dmitry> | i get a blue screen for some reason |
| 01:31 | <Chutt> | oh, you mean of video playback |
| 01:31 | <Chutt> | not the frontend |
| 01:31 | <Chutt> | it's difficult to take screenshots, since it's using Xv |
| 01:31 | <dmitry> | ahh. |
| 01:32 | <Chutt> | NO_XV=1 ./mythfrontend |
| 01:32 | <Chutt> | or whatnot |
| 01:32 | <Chutt> | to disable using Xv |
| 01:32 | <Chutt> | makes things rather slow, of course |
| 01:34 | <dmitry> | ah bummer, forget it then. |
| 01:34 | <ChaosExiguum> | dmitry, digicam? |
| 01:35 | <dmitry> | that would work as well :) |
| 01:35 | <ChaosExiguum> | or a framegrabber like snappy! or the like |
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| 01:36 | <dmitry> | nod, its not that important. just thought i'd ask |
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| 01:36 | <Chutt> | huh, laptop must've shut itself off |
| 01:37 | <thor_> | whole thing still smells awfully fishy to me |
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| 01:55 | <thor_> | bah |
| 01:56 | <Aridhol> | does anyone have working TV-out with the nvidia geforce 4 mx440 by MSI with the little svideo dongle thing? |
| 01:56 | <DogBoy> | msi? |
| 01:57 | <Aridhol> | MSI manufactured the card |
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| 01:58 | <Aridhol> | MSI is microstar, they make mobo's |
| 01:58 | <o_cee> | g'morning |
| 01:58 | <Aridhol> | morning |
| 01:58 | <o_cee> | Chutt: qtlook.txt.. the popup you get while pressing 1 in watch recording.. there's an outline there that i can't find what it's called.. do you know? an outline on the box |
| 01:59 | <o_cee> | also, if you do D on watch recording, the alternative that's not choosen is very bright, haven't changed that either.. need to be a little bit more dark |
| 01:59 | <Chutt> | that's in ui.xml, i think |
| 01:59 | <Chutt> | the outline of the entire popup, at least |
| 02:00 | <o_cee> | okay.. let's see if i can find it |
| 02:01 | <Chutt> | hey, what would you think about using a .jpg for the background? |
| 02:02 | <o_cee> | uhm, sure.. any special reason? |
| 02:02 | <o_cee> | size? |
| 02:02 | <Chutt> | size |
| 02:02 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 02:02 | <o_cee> | sure, no problem.. |
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| 02:03 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 02:03 | <Chutt> | just trying to cut down on a little space |
| 02:04 | <o_cee> | haven't really thought about that when doing things |
| 02:04 | <Chutt> | your theme's 2.4MB :p |
| 02:04 | <o_cee> | hehe :) |
| 02:04 | <Chutt> | the entire rest of the tarball's 3 |
| 02:04 | <Chutt> | or so |
| 02:04 | <[1]FryGuy> | man gentoo is a bitch to install :/ |
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| 02:05 | <FryGuy> | i want my mythtv back :( |
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| 02:07 | <tmk> | http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/p/002/1P128365248EDN0100P2205L6M1.JPG |
| 02:07 | <tmk> | heh |
| 02:08 | <tmk> | err this one's better: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/p/002/1P128365104EFF0100P2205L4M1.JPG |
| 02:08 | <o_cee> | hmm :) |
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| 02:14 | <o_cee> | Chutt: i found the outline on the box.. called <popup name="confirmdelete">.. funny that it's the same one used for the help popup :) |
| 02:15 | <Chutt> | o_cee, you forgot the titles/ directory when you sent me the .zip file |
| 02:15 | <o_cee> | oh? oops. more files comming soon then |
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| 02:17 | <o_cee> | btw.. don't you think it'd look better to dim the background the same way "delete" does when doing the help screen popup? |
| 02:17 | <Chutt> | maybe |
| 02:17 | <Chutt> | i have that turned off on my machine =) |
| 02:17 | <o_cee> | makes it easier to read |
| 02:17 | <o_cee> | heheh |
| 02:17 | <Chutt> | so i didn't think about doing it for the help popup |
| 02:18 | <o_cee> | since the other popup does it |
| 02:18 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 02:18 | <Chutt> | i'll add that |
| 02:19 | <o_cee> | also, the OK button might be dumped, and only using 1 to toggle back maybe.. |
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| 02:22 | <o_cee> | background in jpeg got half the size.. didn't think png was that bad :) |
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| 02:23 | <Chutt> | still look ok? |
| 02:24 | <o_cee> | think so, did it at 100 quality |
| 02:24 | <Chutt> | you sending those titles sometime? =) |
| 02:24 | <o_cee> | going to check it on the tv |
| 02:24 | <Chutt> | won't run without em |
| 02:24 | <o_cee> | yeah, copying them to the release dir now :) |
| 02:24 | <Chutt> | can you just send the changed files? |
| 02:25 | <o_cee> | couldn't see any differense |
| 02:25 | <o_cee> | sure |
| 02:28 | <o_cee> | there, send it |
| 02:28 | <Chutt> | thanks |
| 02:29 | <Chutt> | got it =) |
| 02:29 | <o_cee> | wohoo, that's fast :) |
| 02:29 | <o_cee> | considering it takes like 8 hours with a plane or something :P |
| 02:31 | <o_cee> | is it possible to add stuff to cvs and having it _not_ to download when people checkout? got some original .psd's what might be good to have there, for making the titles and stuff |
| 02:31 | <Chutt> | you've still got grey.png in qtlook.txt |
| 02:31 | <Chutt> | just so you know |
| 02:31 | <o_cee> | bah, that one as well yeah |
| 02:31 | <Chutt> | i can put it in a separate directory |
| 02:31 | <o_cee> | forgot |
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| 02:32 | <o_cee> | might be a good idea.. but we can fix that later |
| 02:32 | <Chutt> | i'm not sure if i like the font of the 'mythtv' in the lower right |
| 02:33 | <Aridhol> | well I have TV out working and fullscreen video and the myth Frontend look nice. Now all I have to do is wait for the pvr card to come in => |
| 02:33 | <o_cee> | Chutt: i'll see what i can come up with :) |
| 02:34 | <Chutt> | liked the old stuff |
| 02:34 | <Chutt> | don't really like the menu font, either :p |
| 02:34 | <Chutt> | sans serif fonts seem easier to read on a tv, is all |
| 02:34 | <o_cee> | problem is that alot of the translated strings are veeery long |
| 02:34 | <o_cee> | so moving the logo helped alot |
| 02:35 | <Chutt> | make the translated strings shorter, then |
| 02:35 | <o_cee> | yeah, will have to do that |
| 02:36 | <o_cee> | impact is sans serif, isn't it? |
| 02:36 | <tmk> | if you mean it doesn't have serifs |
| 02:36 | <tmk> | yes |
| 02:37 | <o_cee> | that's what i mean |
| 02:37 | <Chutt> | it's too close |
| 02:37 | <Chutt> | together |
| 02:37 | <o_cee> | heh, yeah.. how big's your tv? |
| 02:37 | <tmk> | tahoma is a nice font |
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| 02:37 | <o_cee> | is it a standard linux font? |
| 02:38 | <tmk> | no it's m$ :) |
| 02:38 | <o_cee> | thought so |
| 02:38 | <tmk> | just like impact |
| 02:38 | <o_cee> | :P |
| 02:39 | <o_cee> | Chutt: is it possible to use a custom font like tahoma somehow without actually installing it on the user machine? |
| 02:40 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 02:40 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 02:40 | <Chutt> | i like a smaller font on that menu |
| 02:40 | <Chutt> | 24/26 or so, arial |
| 02:40 | <Chutt> | looks nicer |
| 02:40 | <o_cee> | i'll play with it a little |
| 02:40 | <Chutt> | less outlining, too |
| 02:40 | <o_cee> | haven't really touched it in a while |
| 02:41 | <o_cee> | on the selected item? |
| 02:41 | <o_cee> | someone said their tv started flickering when there was 1px outline |
| 02:43 | <Chutt> | 2 and 3 look ok |
| 02:43 | <Chutt> | actually, 1 looks fine on my tv |
| 02:43 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 02:43 | <Chutt> | qtlook's ActiveButton color |
| 02:43 | <Chutt> | maybe a little darker? |
| 02:43 | <Chutt> | to show up buttons better |
| 02:44 | <o_cee> | yeah, there's one of them that needs to be darker |
| 02:44 | <o_cee> | haven't found wich one tho :) |
| 02:44 | <Chutt> | ActiveButton, here |
| 02:45 | <o_cee> | btw, i know i asked you before.. but shouldn't alttext kick in when there's not enough room for a translation? |
| 02:45 | <Chutt> | probably |
| 02:46 | <o_cee> | if you switch to swedish and go to mythmusic settings |
| 02:48 | <Chutt> | #777777 for ActiveButton looks good to me |
| 02:48 | <Rince> | morning |
| 02:48 | <o_cee> | str ActiveButton=#8F8F8F looks good |
| 02:48 | <o_cee> | damn, i'll try that |
| 02:49 | <Chutt> | i tried all 8's, the 7's made things just a tiny bit easier to read |
| 02:49 | <o_cee> | yours is even darker.. checkin on the tv |
| 02:50 | <o_cee> | yepp, looks good |
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| 02:52 | <o_cee> | need to do some tweaking on the lineheight with ariel that isn't as high as impact |
| 02:53 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 02:53 | <Chutt> | got the help screen darkening out the background |
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| 02:54 | <o_cee> | cool :) |
| 02:56 | <o_cee> | what do you think about ariel 28 then.. feels like 26 is to small, but it could be because the lineheight is wrong and it looks strange because of that |
| 02:56 | <o_cee> | arial even |
| 02:57 | <Chutt> | it does look spread out vertically |
| 02:57 | <Chutt> | ah, about the alttext stuff |
| 02:57 | <Chutt> | there aren't any alttext strings defined |
| 02:57 | <o_cee> | yeah, need to fix the dummy image |
| 02:57 | <o_cee> | no? hmm |
| 02:58 | <Chutt> | not in my menu xml files, at least |
| 02:58 | <Chutt> | 28 looks fine, though it cuts off all the longer strings in the swedish translation |
| 02:59 | <o_cee> | yeah.. but his translations aren't the shortest ones either |
| 02:59 | <o_cee> | hehe |
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| 02:59 | <o_cee> | as long as english is okay, i can fix the other ones later |
| 02:59 | <Chutt> | Fix Scheduling Conflicts is too big, hmm |
| 02:59 | <o_cee> | swedish translation really needs an update anyway |
| 02:59 | <Chutt> | and it's not using the alttext there |
| 02:59 | <o_cee> | ah, there you go :) |
| 03:00 | <o_cee> | couldn't figure out how to trigger it |
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| 03:02 | <o_cee> | here, it looks likes it tries to wrap the text even tho there's no space for it |
| 03:06 | <Chutt> | the size test was broken |
| 03:08 | <o_cee> | great :) |
| 03:08 | <o_cee> | uhm |
| 03:08 | <o_cee> | hehe |
| 03:08 | <o_cee> | since i guess that means "i fixed it" as well, hehe |
| 03:10 | <Chutt> | soon, yeah |
| 03:10 | <o_cee> | great |
| 03:15 | <Chutt> | mythdvd doesn't have a title? |
| 03:16 | <o_cee> | no? |
| 03:16 | <o_cee> | not using it, so i believe you :) |
| 03:16 | <o_cee> | i'll fix that |
| 03:16 | <Chutt> | thanks |
| 03:16 | <o_cee> | i'm doing a new logo now as well |
| 03:16 | <o_cee> | putting it back at where it was before |
| 03:17 | <o_cee> | so the space in the lower right corner can hold a clock sometime in the future.. :) |
| 03:17 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 03:17 | <Chutt> | shortly after 0.14 |
| 03:17 | <o_cee> | but i have to run now, get some breakfast and stuff |
| 03:17 | <o_cee> | cool |
| 03:19 | * | o_cee is away: classes |
| 03:19 | <o_cee> | later |
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| 03:20 | <Chutt> | have fun |
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| 03:37 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 03:37 | <Chutt> | almost have the recursive caching there |
| 03:37 | <Chutt> | too late to finish it, though |
| 03:37 | <thor_> | I'm not listening to you, you're not really Chutt |
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| 03:44 | <Chutt> | you found me out! |
| 03:45 | <thor_> | cunning logic |
| 03:45 | <thor_> | eyes crossing, time to get some sleep |
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| 04:21 | <dblevins> | quiet channel |
| 04:22 | <dblevins> | any users feel like chatting about features? Looking to setup MythTV |
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| 04:30 | <Rince> | what do you mean with setup` |
| 04:32 | <dblevins> | I mean I'm planning on installing MythTV (I have to return the ATI AIW I just purchased and get a WinTV or something) |
| 04:33 | <dblevins> | I am more curious about the various features of MythTV and how people like them |
| 04:36 | <Rince> | I do like them ;-) |
| 04:36 | <Rince> | it has timeshifting, analog-TV-Input, Web-Frontend... |
| 04:37 | <Rince> | but I gotta go working, sorry |
| 04:38 | <dblevins> | Rince: one question, does MythTV have the ability to automatically record only *new* episodes of favorite television shows? |
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| 06:38 | <CaCtus491> | evening |
| 06:46 | <CaCtus491> | Anyone here know much about mythLCD and it's current status? I've got a character display up and the only support seems to be in the menus where it shows the currently selected menu on the top line and highlighted menu on the bottom line. When watching TV, etc it only shows the time. |
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| 10:44 | <kvandivo_> | we _get_ it, Jason! |
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| 11:00 | <knight-> | 82 programs, using 195 GB out of 749 GB <--- i better start watching some of these |
| 11:00 | <knight-> | hehe |
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| 11:14 | <_rkulagow> | i think i've got you beat: 337 programs, using 470 GB out of 850 GB |
| 11:16 | <knight-> | yep |
| 11:16 | <knight-> | you sure do |
| 11:16 | <czn> | got a Q |
| 11:16 | <kvandivo_> | nope.. I have vowels. |
| 11:16 | <czn> | I'm trying to compile mythtv cvs version |
| 11:16 | <czn> | hehe |
| 11:17 | <_rkulagow> | that's what happens when you've got a 16 year old in the house who's trying to catch up on "the nanny" and "90210" |
| 11:17 | <czn> | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt-mt <-- whats that? |
| 11:18 | <kvandivo_> | have you searched the mail archives? |
| 11:18 | <czn> | I googled for it |
| 11:18 | <_rkulagow> | you haven't installed the prerequisites. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/perl/mailarc/gforum.cgi?post=102143;search_string=qt-mt;guest=2153197&t=search_engine#102143 |
| 11:18 | <czn> | oh |
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| 11:19 | <czn> | so I just need a new qt? |
| 11:19 | <_rkulagow> | you need whatever it takes to get multi-threaded capabiliity on your machine. this is distro dependant. |
| 11:20 | <czn> | I see |
| 11:20 | <czn> | thanks |
| 11:20 | <czn> | :) |
| 11:20 | <_rkulagow> | have you looked at the howto? there are prerequisite instructions there. |
| 11:21 | <czn> | this one? -> http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html |
| 11:22 | <_rkulagow> | that's one place. if you're running redhat, look at jarod's guide too. |
| 11:22 | <czn> | I'm running debian |
| 11:23 | <czn> | modified knoppmyth rather |
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| 11:25 | <_rkulagow> | can't help you there. check the archives. |
| 11:26 | <czn> | I will |
| 11:27 | <czn> | I'm quite new to mythtv, but I have been very close to get it working with my pvr 350 |
| 11:28 | <czn> | got X to use the framebuffer with good results, but something keeps setting the hauppauge back to ntsc, and I'm in pal-b/g country |
| 11:29 | <czn> | I think I might get rid of that with a new build ( I can't really see what else could be causing it ) |
| 11:30 | <knight-> | czn, most likely your ivtv driver settings in modules.conf |
| 11:30 | <czn> | nope |
| 11:30 | <knight-> | or script ioctl_test to set it |
| 11:30 | <czn> | got them set at 0x0ff |
| 11:30 | <_rkulagow> | chutt: docs sync please |
| 11:31 | <czn> | a script might sole it... hmmm |
| 11:31 | <czn> | *solve |
| 11:33 | <czn> | thanks for the input guys, I'll try fiddling a bit with it |
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| 12:02 | <gulliver> | hi all |
| 12:02 | <gulliver> | I have some really strange behavoir of xine in combination with mythtv. I use it as dvd-player with mythdvd |
| 12:03 | <gulliver> | when I use xine without mythfrontend running (mythbackend runs) it runs very smooth without framedrops. |
| 12:04 | <gulliver> | but when I have mythfrontend hanging around, which uses 0% CPU before I start xine the playback get really bad and it stutters. top shows a really high X-CPU-Usage from ~20%, which leads to 0% idle |
| 12:04 | <gulliver> | what could be the reason for that? |
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| 12:45 | <dunc_> | hi, any uk users about? |
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| 12:56 | <o_cee> | uhm, anyone good with sql here? need to sort all entries in program by their length.. |
| 12:56 | <o_cee> | so i can delete the longest ones that's incorrect :) |
| 12:57 | <dj1> | is the length stored in the database? |
| 12:57 | <kvandivo_> | define length |
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| 12:57 | <sfr> | startts - endts i guess |
| 12:58 | <dj1> | you want them sorted by number of minutes, not size, correct? |
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| 12:58 | <o_cee> | yeah |
| 12:59 | <o_cee> | so it'd be starttime-endttime |
| 12:59 | <o_cee> | or the other way around |
| 12:59 | <gulliver> | hmm, the problems does only occur, when mythdvd is running. not when the other modules are running... I'll have a look at the sources |
| 12:59 | <o_cee> | is it doable with sql? |
| 12:59 | <dja> | yeah, but you have to worry about both time and date...could get ugly...:-) |
| 13:00 | <o_cee> | i'll just search for the description ;) |
| 13:00 | <dunc_> | :) |
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| 13:10 | <gulliver> | hmmm. looks like I can't find anything, that could explain the strange behaviour of mythdvd. has really nobody an idea? |
| 13:11 | <o_cee> | uhm.. |
| 13:12 | <o_cee> | no |
| 13:12 | <thor_> | this is when you start xine from within mythDVD as your player for dvd's ? |
| 13:12 | <gulliver> | I'm especially wondered, because the CPU-Load is near 0% before starting xine... |
| 13:13 | <gulliver> | thor_: yes, but it also happens, when mythdvd is open and I start xine manually from command line |
| 13:13 | <thor_> | "mythdvd is open" as in it's transcoding something, or "mythdvd is open" as in you're just sitting at the top menu screen ? |
| 13:14 | <gulliver> | I'm only in the menu. don't have transcoding enabled at all |
| 13:15 | <thor_> | first thing to look at is command line switches in your myth configuration for xine versus what you run at the command line, and who you run it as (I suspect that standalone it's using Xv, but called from Myth it isn't) |
| 13:15 | <gulliver> | same user, same command |
| 13:16 | <thor_> | ah |
| 13:16 | <thor_> | hmm |
| 13:16 | <thor_> | may just be contention on the drive |
| 13:16 | <thor_> | try killall mfd |
| 13:17 | <gulliver> | it must have something to do with the interface of mythdvd, because it is indepent of what way xine is started |
| 13:17 | <thor_> | then run xine with mythdvd still up |
| 13:17 | <thor_> | sorry, killall mtd |
| 13:18 | <gulliver> | thor_: this is the problem: when mythdvd is up, it stutters. if it's closed (but mythfrontend still running) it runs smooth |
| 13:18 | <thor_> | hmmm |
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| 13:18 | <servo> | hello! |
| 13:19 | <thor_> | the mythdvd menu screen is no different than any other myth menu screen |
| 13:19 | <servo> | ok so I got mythtv running just fine; now what do I need to do to record input from the composite in? |
| 13:19 | <gulliver> | thor_: then this problem couldn't occur (c; |
| 13:20 | <gulliver> | really strange... |
| 13:20 | <thor_> | doesn't matter if the mtd is running or not ? |
| 13:21 | <gulliver> | wait a second |
| 13:23 | <gulliver> | straaaange. I changed nothing expect from running mythfrontend once in a window, and now it's working! |
| 13:24 | <gulliver> | anyway, thanks for your help (c: |
| 13:24 | <thor_> | yup |
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