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| 00:13 | <Truin> | mmm. leeks. |
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| 00:27 | <bdale> | cool. I have X making 1280x720 now. overscanning, though. |
| 00:28 | <Netslayer> | anyone here know how to cut the mp3 audio from a mpeg4 nuv? |
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| 00:32 | <bdale> | hrm. the PT50LC13 doesn't seem to allow picture size adjustments when using the DVI input, or so it seems. |
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| 00:37 | <Octane> | Netslayer some dude release a plugin for nuvexport to do that |
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| 00:48 | <Netslayer> | what |
| 00:48 | <Netslayer> | really where did u read about this |
| 00:49 | <Netslayer> | auh it's on the list cool |
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| 01:04 | <aceat64> | if I have a master backend on my network, could I setup a frontend on my computer and watch live tv? or is it limited to recorded shows, and setting things to record? |
| 01:05 | <bdale> | aceat64: works fine. I've sat at my laptop on 100bT happily watching live TV at 720x480 mpeg2 a few times. |
| 01:06 | <Truin> | aceat64: you should be able to watch live tv. As long as your local computer can play the stream, and your network bandwidth can take it |
| 01:06 | <aceat64> | awesome |
| 01:06 | <aceat64> | I love MythTV |
| 01:06 | <Truin> | that's what I'm sayin'! |
| 01:07 | * | bdale notes that 720x480 mpeg2 won't work over 802.11, since it needs about 17mbits/sec with the audio stream included |
| 01:07 | <aceat64> | what language is MythTV programmed in? |
| 01:07 | <Truin> | Imagine having a nice home with a backend in the living room, pushing, say, 4 tuners, and a front-end in each bedroom just strong enough to play back the stream. |
| 01:07 | <bdale> | at least, not 802.11b ... my laptop will do a/b/g, but my hub is b-only... |
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| 01:08 | <Truin> | I'm pretty sure Myth is written in C++ |
| 01:08 | <bdale> | Truin: put the backend somewhere other than the living room so you don't have to listen to the fan... |
| 01:08 | <Truin> | bdale: good point. :) |
| 01:08 | <thor_> | C++ |
| 01:08 | <Truin> | what I'd like to see is the front-end ported to *doze. |
| 01:08 | <bdale> | I'm heading that way, but for now I've got a simple single-box Athlon set up in the living room with one pvr-250 for the family to play with ... |
| 01:08 | <Truin> | I know, it's blasphemy, but... |
| 01:09 | <aceat64> | I'm going to be learning C and C++ so maybe someday down the line I'll contribute something, in the mean time I might make a theme =) |
| 01:09 | * | bdale hands Truin soap for his mouth... |
| 01:09 | <Truin> | bdale: no one in my family would know what to do with it if I hooked it up to the TV. It sits happily in my bedroom. ;) |
| 01:09 | * | bdale notes that editing config files on a 50" display is a pretty interesting experience... |
| 01:10 | <bdale> | Truin: my not-quite-12-year-old daughter had it figured out in about 15 mins, my wife is coming up to speed, and my 5-year-old son just thinks it's cool that he can watch "between the lions" whenever he's allowed to watch some TV... ;-) |
| 01:11 | <Truin> | bdale: :) I think my sister is catching on. she called me tonight... "can you use that thing you have to record American Idol tonight?" lmao |
| 01:11 | <Truin> | of course, that pre-empted my recording of Enterprise... time to toss in another PVR-250 |
| 01:11 | <bdale> | Truin: hehe... I got email while I was in Australia asking if I could arrange for it to record a hockey game my wife was going to miss due to kid commitments... mythweb made me a hero. |
| 01:12 | <Truin> | mythweb rocks. I hardly ever use the front-end... I use mythweb for recording, and play-back on my *doze box, having /var/video shared through samba. |
| 01:12 | <bdale> | Truin: that's evil |
| 01:13 | <Truin> | yeah, well, my *doze box is a 1.8GHz, and my linux box (which was originally just a firewall/gateway for the house) is only a 400Mhz. |
| 01:13 | <Chutt> | there's a cygwin port in progress |
| 01:13 | <Truin> | cygwin port? really? PHAT! |
| 01:13 | <bdale> | that's slightly less evil... ;-) |
| 01:13 | <Chutt> | though i haven't accepted all of the guy's patch yet |
| 01:14 | <bdale> | Chutt: yeah, saw some of it in the commits ... the Debian crowd at linux.conf.au chuckled on realizing how hight that is in the list of things I read right now... |
| 01:14 | <Truin> | that'd be nice to see. I'm still all for the back end being on linux, but, to be able to setup a front-end for my sister in her room, who is computer-retarded, would be nice. |
| 01:15 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:15 | <Truin> | well, home time for me. Glad I found this room. I may drop back by again soon... I've built myth from source umpteen dozen times now - Hopefully I'll be able to help out some newbs. |
| 01:15 | <Truin> | Take it easy, guys! And, I can't say it enough - a FANTASTIC software package! |
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| 01:17 | <bdale> | hrm. looks like the overscan is to be expected. that's sort of sad, since more pixels are off-screen than I think need to be. |
| 01:17 | <bdale> | rock-solid and beautiful otherwise |
| 01:18 | <Chutt> | about 5% on all edges is normal |
| 01:18 | <bdale> | been trying to figure out how to tell how many pixels are off-screen. wonder if there' such a thing as a pixel ruler app... |
| 01:19 | <thor_> | kruler |
| 01:19 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:19 | <Chutt> | that's cool |
| 01:20 | <bdale> | that'll pull in 20MB of .deb's since I don't do K usually... oh well, the mirror is close. |
| 01:20 | <bdale> | (and this is a throw-away test system) |
| 01:20 | <thor_> | or a window manager that does pixels during resize |
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| 01:20 | <bdale> | oh, that *does* rock (did I say the mirror is close? ;-) |
| 01:22 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:22 | <Chutt> | thor, if you want to commit that avfdecoder memleak fix, go right ahead |
| 01:22 | <thor_> | okely dokely |
| 01:25 | <Chutt> | i need to sit down and finish off the menu plugin stuff |
| 01:25 | <bdale> | any way to make kruler be a vertical ruler? looks like I get about 1210 of 1280 pixels visible horizontally. |
| 01:25 | <Chutt> | there's stuff in the right click menu |
| 01:26 | <bdale> | ah, cool. more kde-naive-ness on my part, I guess. |
| 01:27 | <bdale> | and about 680 of 720 vertical pixels visible |
| 01:28 | <Chutt> | not too bad, i think i get more cut off with the pvr-350 percentage wise than that |
| 01:29 | <bdale> | thor_: thanks for the pointer to kruler. I'm happier having quantified the overscan on this thing when feeding it via DVI... |
| 01:30 | <Chutt> | hrm, almost exactly the same percentages of overscan, actually |
| 01:32 | <bdale> | as a digitally-oriented guy, the whole concept of overscan mildly offends me. but, having watched frames all the way out to the edge plenty of times, I suspect I'm going to be just as happy this way in practice with the kind of source material I have access to... |
| 01:33 | <thor_> | yup |
| 01:33 | <Chutt> | it'll look more like normal tv |
| 01:35 | <bdale> | so, hrm. I have an nvidia fx 5200 (currently driving the display), an ATI radeon 9200, plus some quadro2 pro and radeon 7000 cards all with DVI spigots. gotta decide which one to put in the frontend destined to drive this. is the hw assist for mpeg playback at atsc resolutions likely to be such a win with the pchdtv cards' output that the recent nvidia wins hands-down? |
| 01:36 | <Chutt> | i gave up on xvmc on the nvidia cards |
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| 01:36 | <Chutt> | the 16 color OSD really kills things |
| 01:37 | <ChaosExiguum> | can you assign the color pallete, or is it a fixed 16? |
| 01:37 | <Chutt> | you can assign it, but.. |
| 01:37 | <bdale> | hrm, I hadn't realized the osd was that icky with xvmc enabled |
| 01:38 | <Chutt> | i made it greyscale so it doesn't look horrible, but it's still not nearly as nice |
| 01:39 | <ChaosExiguum> | yea, maybe bluescale or something like that for a little pi-zaz, but I hear you there |
| 01:39 | <bdale> | since this frontend uses an nvidia-based motherboard and already has to have the non-free nvnet driver, maybe I'll use the fx5200 regardless... that keeps the non-free bits concentrated in one box instead of letting them spread to more of my environment... |
| 01:40 | <Chutt> | the forcedeth driver works pretty damn well for nvidia boards, btw |
| 01:40 | <Chutt> | no more nvnet =) |
| 01:40 | <bdale> | Chutt: really? oooh. that's a new one on me. |
| 01:40 | <Chutt> | http://www.hailfinger.org/carldani/linux/patches/forcedeth/ |
| 01:41 | * | bdale does a happy little dance ... |
| 01:41 | <bdale> | hey, is the xfree86 driver capable of supporting Xv, or do you have to run the non-free drivers? |
| 01:41 | <bdale> | ie, nv vs nvidia |
| 01:41 | <Chutt> | the nonfree drivers work better |
| 01:42 | <bdale> | fair enough |
| 01:42 | <Chutt> | at least as far as i've seen |
| 01:42 | <Chutt> | there may be improvements in newer versions of the nv driver, but what with the ancient version of X in debian.... =) |
| 01:43 | <bdale> | ok, I think I'll try the ati card in this box and see if it likes the same modeline ... |
| 01:43 | <bdale> | Chutt: well, of course I'm running the 4.3 bits from experimental |
| 01:43 | <bdale> | (on everything that runs X here) |
| 01:44 | <Chutt> | yeah, i haven't tested the nv driver since i installed this machine back in 4.2 time, that's all |
| 01:44 | <bdale> | k, may be worth an experiment here at some point, then |
| 01:44 | <bdale> | I bought the new nvidia and ati cards figuring one would end up driving this display, and the other would end up in one of my desktop systems driving a 1600x1200 lcd display |
| 01:45 | <bdale> | both were chosen to be the "best" cards I could find for reasonable prices without fans |
| 01:45 | <bdale> | I'd rather manage airflow at the box level |
| 01:45 | <Niqo> | Chutt: Working on RingBuffer safe_*, what is the best method of stopping a recording on ENOSPC? |
| 01:46 | <Chutt> | of stopping a recording? |
| 01:46 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 01:46 | <Chutt> | i don't think there's a failure path at all for that |
| 01:47 | <Niqo> | I was also thinking about adding an option to start auto expire on it |
| 01:47 | <Niqo> | better start coding then :) |
| 01:47 | <Chutt> | well, the auto expire stuff should be running all the time |
| 01:48 | <Chutt> | 'slong as you don't have your free threshold set too low, or the wait time between runs set too high, that should be fine |
| 01:48 | <Niqo> | aha |
| 01:48 | * | o_cee is away: work |
| 02:00 | <bdale> | interestingly, the ati card correctly reads the edid stuff, and recognizes a 1280x720 mode internally. however, whatever it's generating as output for that mode the set won't sync to... |
| 02:00 | <ofer> | how would i reset the recording profiles? |
| 02:03 | <bdale> | wow... the ati card's heatsink also got a lot hotter faster. ok, the nvidia card wins for this box. |
| 02:27 | <Netslayer> | is there any other way to make a playlist for mythmusic then going select music? |
| 02:27 | <thor_> | SQL |
| 02:27 | <Netslayer> | problem is I have two seperate folders of music, oldies and new stuff, and a lot of each |
| 02:27 | <mdz> | bdale: xv works fine with the nv driver |
| 02:28 | <thor_> | why is that a problem ? |
| 02:28 | <mdz> | bdale: it's what I use with mythtv |
| 02:28 | <Netslayer> | well how would u recommend making a playlist for each dir? |
| 02:29 | <Netslayer> | if i change the path, hmm that might work, or will all the music that's not in that path show up in all my music - select music |
| 02:29 | <thor_> | select all the oldies, move to Active Play Queue and hit space/enter/return |
| 02:29 | <Netslayer> | because it was previously there |
| 02:29 | <thor_> | name your new playlist Oldies |
| 02:29 | <thor_> | etc., |
| 02:29 | <thor_> | etc., |
| 02:29 | <Netslayer> | ok so if i change the path, the old music shouldn't show up under All My Music for selection |
| 02:30 | <Netslayer> | cool |
| 02:30 | <thor_> | why do you want to touch the path? |
| 02:31 | <Netslayer> | if i don't then i would have to select each song one at a time under All My Music wouldn't i |
| 02:31 | <Netslayer> | because the other music I don't want would be there |
| 02:32 | <hadees> | can you build playlists outside of mythmusic? |
| 02:32 | <thor_> | tell easyTag to set the genre for everything in the Oldies folder as "Oldies" and everthing in the other folder as genre "whatever" |
| 02:32 | <Netslayer> | apparently not |
| 02:33 | <Netslayer> | where's easy tag? |
| 02:33 | <Netslayer> | oh |
| 02:33 | <Netslayer> | ic |
| 02:33 | <hadees> | software |
| 02:33 | <Netslayer> | what difference would that make? |
| 02:34 | <thor_> | you can have the tree build by genre |
| 02:34 | <thor_> | or just say "directory" |
| 02:34 | <thor_> | in the settings |
| 02:34 | <Netslayer> | hmm ya i have that setup |
| 02:35 | <hadees> | i would have to say mythmusic does need a better gui, then again it really isn't easy to make one for alot of songs to transverse with a remote |
| 02:35 | <hadees> | it takes me for ever to look through my songs |
| 02:35 | <thor_> | so you have a tree that starts with two nodes already (oldies, other) |
| 02:35 | <thor_> | ? |
| 02:36 | <Netslayer> | no, i meant just the directory |
| 02:36 | <thor_> | organize them however you like on the file system and then use the keyword "directory" in the tree settings |
| 02:36 | <thor_> | or use easytag |
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| 02:37 | <Netslayer> | that's true, don't even need a playlist |
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| 02:38 | <hadees> | hey "Freevo has a built-in remote server which accepts clear text words like PLAY, DOWN, UP etc over a TCP socket, and acts accordingly." |
| 02:38 | <hadees> | thats neat |
| 02:38 | <thor_> | so does the mfd |
| 02:38 | <thor_> | telnet localhost 2343 |
| 02:38 | <thor_> | play url://blah |
| 02:38 | * | Netslayer laughs, and applauds |
| 02:38 | <thor_> | pause on |
| 02:38 | <thor_> | pause off |
| 02:38 | <hadees> | i didn't know i could do that |
| 02:39 | <Uberbot> | Does it make any sense to install myth if I don't have a capture card? |
| 02:39 | <hadees> | Uberbot: it depends on what you want to do |
| 02:39 | <Uberbot> | I'd like to view vids and play mp3's. |
| 02:39 | <hadees> | on a tv? |
| 02:39 | <Uberbot> | Yes, I have an s-vid out. |
| 02:40 | <Uberbot> | Or even on the PC. |
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| 02:41 | <hadees> | Uberbot: you can use mythtv for that, there is also freevo.sf.net |
| 02:41 | <Uberbot> | Ya, I'm aware of freevo. I've been told that myth is better.... |
| 02:41 | <hadees> | which has less focus on pvr and more on what you want, however that doesn't mean it does it better than mythtv |
| 02:41 | <Netslayer> | what mythmusic doesn't see a symlink as a directory errr |
| 02:42 | * | Netslayer has to move all his music |
| 02:43 | <Uberbot> | I also like some of the modules I've seen for myth. |
| 02:43 | <hadees> | thor_: what command does mythtv accept? |
| 02:43 | <hadees> | what commands |
| 02:43 | <thor_> | mfd! |
| 02:43 | <hadees> | i mean mfd |
| 02:43 | <thor_> | ah |
| 02:43 | <thor_> | I keep forgetting |
| 02:43 | <thor_> | play /a/url/encoded/file/name |
| 02:43 | <thor_> | so spaces are %20 |
| 02:44 | <thor_> | pause on |
| 02:44 | <thor_> | pause off |
| 02:44 | <thor_> | stop |
| 02:44 | <hadees> | so you can't like change the channel |
| 02:44 | <thor_> | not yet |
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| 02:45 | <Niqo> | Chutt: Can't this just run StartRecording? pthread_create(&encode, NULL, SpawnEncode, nvr); |
| 02:46 | * | Netslayer shrugges as mythmusic stays at 0% over the last 5 minutes updating the music db |
| 02:47 | <Netslayer> | so thor are u integrating the modules ie music, weather into the mfd or how does that work |
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| 02:48 | <thor_> | mfd is headless |
| 02:49 | <Netslayer> | so that means? |
| 02:49 | <Netslayer> | whatever's there is there |
| 02:49 | <srl> | Is anyone else here crazy enough to be (trying) to stream movies to mplayer using wi-fi? :) |
| 02:49 | <thor_> | but server side of client<-->server to new(ish) GUI clients |
| 02:49 | <Netslayer> | :-) |
| 02:49 | <Netslayer> | i have a backend on wifi |
| 02:49 | <Netslayer> | hmm |
| 02:51 | * | Netslayer hits the reset button on his server :-/ |
| 02:52 | <Octane> | ayone know which file to edit to take out menu items |
| 02:52 | <hadees> | thor_: will mfd eventualy (when finished) to controll all aspects of mythtv that you could do from a remote? |
| 02:52 | <thor_> | some day |
| 02:53 | <thor_> | if you're all very good |
| 02:53 | * | Octane sits straight with his arms crossed |
| 02:54 | <Netslayer> | Octane, it's an xml file in /usr/local/share/mythtv |
| 02:55 | <Netslayer> | as far as i can remember |
| 02:55 | <Octane> | yah i know, i cant find it though in theme.xml or ui.xml |
| 02:55 | <Netslayer> | um i don't think it's that |
| 02:55 | <Netslayer> | aka tvmenu.xml |
| 02:55 | <Netslayer> | aka mainmenu.xml |
| 02:58 | <Octane> | ohh it sa main file |
| 02:58 | <Octane> | cool |
| 03:02 | <bdale> | excellant. the nvidia card is in the frontend, and a program recorded earlier off directv looks just great ... :-) |
| 03:03 | <bdale> | frankly, a recording done from the pvr-250 using svideo from the directv receiver looks better than just feeding svideo to the new tube from the directv receiver directly... |
| 03:03 | * | bdale suspects that's just his imagination, but who knows |
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| 03:04 | <krush02> | hey since I see some user-ish discussions, would anyone be interested in helping me with what I'd need hardware-wise to play hdtv? |
| 03:11 | * | krush02 takes the stunned silence as a no |
| 03:12 | <Netslayer> | most of us don't have hdtv heh |
| 03:12 | <Netslayer> | well from reading the list, a capture card that supports hdtv and a dvi or vga -> component out |
| 03:13 | <krush02> | ahh hehe |
| 03:13 | <krush02> | yeah i was wondering more about decoding it... |
| 03:13 | <Netslayer> | actually i can't think of any, the pchdtv or whatever for linux is mainly airwaves atsc isnt it |
| 03:14 | <Netslayer> | well if u have an hdtv with dvi in, use that if u can get it to work correctly or buy an vga -> component converter |
| 03:14 | <hadees> | isn't there that one card that decodes hdtv |
| 03:14 | <Netslayer> | and set the video card up high |
| 03:14 | <hadees> | for linux that is |
| 03:14 | <Netslayer> | might want to search the list |
| 03:14 | <hadees> | there is one, its kind of expensive and someone was supposed to be adding mythtv support for it |
| 03:14 | <hadees> | not sure what happend |
| 03:14 | <Netslayer> | i know of one i think i've heard of on the list - maybe talked about 24hrs ago..but it's very expensive and doesn't work well |
| 03:15 | <Netslayer> | heh there ya go |
| 03:15 | <Netslayer> | same post :-P |
| 03:15 | <hadees> | so it doesn't work well? |
| 03:15 | <hadees> | didn't know that |
| 03:15 | <hadees> | hope some one is working on it so i can use it when i get hdtv |
| 03:15 | <hadees> | in like 5 years |
| 03:15 | <Netslayer> | i mean since the drivers don't work well |
| 03:16 | <Netslayer> | heh exactly..good thinking, but hey do we really need to record that high |
| 03:16 | * | Netslayer thinks of a VCR and snickers |
| 03:16 | <hadees> | well i heard a report about hard drive prices might be dropping alot because the various companies arn't doing so well |
| 03:17 | <hadees> | so i'll by my 100 terebytes |
| 03:17 | <krush02> | heh |
| 03:17 | <hadees> | and record 100 of hdtv |
| 03:17 | <hadees> | 100 hours |
| 03:17 | <Netslayer> | my myth box has .640 Terebytes ;-) |
| 03:17 | <hadees> | i got 400 gigs |
| 03:18 | <Netslayer> | ya we're nuts |
| 03:18 | <krush02> | wow haha |
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| 03:18 | <hadees> | well i use mythtv as my own tv station, i record a whole lot of stuff, so when i feel like watching somthing i have it |
| 03:18 | <hadees> | i keep like 10 eps of alot of diffrent shows on my machine at all times |
| 03:19 | <krush02> | well the recent messages I see on the list talk about software decoding... they're suggesting a P4 3.0 GHz... I was kinda hoping to not have to buy a new $270 CPU... |
| 03:20 | <hadees> | krush02 almost everyone goes with hardware |
| 03:20 | <hadees> | and with the recent news of the hard drive market i would stick with that |
| 03:20 | <ChaosExiguum> | how do you hw decode a hd stream? |
| 03:21 | <krush02> | yeah... are there cards that decode hdtv? |
| 03:21 | <Netslayer> | there will be when the need is there i'm sure |
| 03:21 | <hadees> | well i wasn't talking about hd but are hdtv decoder cards |
| 03:21 | <hadees> | i belive hdtv is a form of mpeg2 isn't it? |
| 03:22 | <ChaosExiguum> | I did a lot of looking and only found expensive ones for broadcasting |
| 03:22 | <Netslayer> | i really don't want an mpeg2 card though, whatever format the new dvd hd is in it will follow |
| 03:22 | <ChaosExiguum> | it is a form of mpeg2 |
| 03:22 | <Netslayer> | ya |
| 03:22 | <hadees> | there is a linux one that someone built |
| 03:22 | <hadees> | i don't see why though, there is really only one market for it i can see and that is us |
| 03:22 | <ChaosExiguum> | I'm fairly sure the hd dvd will be mpeg2 |
| 03:22 | <hadees> | but don't look a gift horse in the mouth |
| 03:25 | <hadees> | so is nuvexport still the best thing for archiving tv shows? |
| 03:25 | <Netslayer> | hadees, it doesn't do decoding as far as i know |
| 03:25 | <Netslayer> | yup |
| 03:25 | <ChaosExiguum> | heh, ture... my only wish right now is for a tv card with a tuner as good as the one in my tv :o) |
| 03:25 | <hadees> | Netslayer: the hdtv card doesn't do decoding? what the hell does it do then |
| 03:25 | <Netslayer> | encoding, atsc airwave tuning |
| 03:26 | <Netslayer> | i don't think it has a video out at all |
| 03:26 | <hadees> | hmm are we talking of the same card |
| 03:26 | <ChaosExiguum> | Netslayer, if your talking about the pchdtv you are correct |
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| 03:26 | <hadees> | really, i thought it was encoder |
| 03:26 | <hadees> | i mean decoder |
| 03:26 | <hadees> | well that sucks |
| 03:26 | <thor_> | WOO HOOOOO |
| 03:26 | <ChaosExiguum> | the hauppage wintv-hd has a decoder, but no linux support |
| 03:27 | <Netslayer> | heh the card is marketed for mythtv almost "Support for this is being added to MythTV, an open source PVR application for Linux." |
| 03:27 | <krush02> | yeah my understanding is the pchdtv does the tuning and delivers the compressed stream... that's all |
| 03:28 | <Netslayer> | Accelerated HDTV support with nVidia video cards. |
| 03:28 | <Netslayer> | Accelerated IDCT and Motion Compensation with GeForce4 Mx cards |
| 03:28 | <Netslayer> | Accelerated Motion Compensation with GeForce4 TI cards |
| 03:28 | <Netslayer> | Accelerated Motion Compensation with Quadro 4 cards |
| 03:28 | <hadees> | wonder why it can't decode if hdtv is mpeg2 |
| 03:28 | <Netslayer> | might at least help in decoding |
| 03:28 | <krush02> | ah |
| 03:29 | <Netslayer> | actually all the card has is coax typ tuner in and out for digital reception |
| 03:29 | <Netslayer> | still to expensive for my taste, especially being in a valley where i wouldn't be able to get more then one station |
| 03:29 | <ChaosExiguum> | hdtv is a very high bitrate / demanding, so you need a powerfull decoder chip = $$ and heat |
| 03:30 | <mchou> | guys, what product are you talking about? |
| 03:30 | <hadees> | but software decoding stinks mainly because of the cpu power it needs |
| 03:30 | <mchou> | did hauppauge come out with atsc HW decoder card? |
| 03:31 | <ChaosExiguum> | mchou, the hauppage wintv-hd has an atsc HW decoder |
| 03:31 | <ChaosExiguum> | but no linux support |
| 03:31 | <mchou> | hmm, didn't know that, is wintv-hd recent?? |
| 03:32 | <ChaosExiguum> | been around for a few months at least |
| 03:32 | <hadees> | what i really need for my mythtv box to be complete is a better remote |
| 03:32 | <hadees> | i just can't find one i really like, well that works with mythtv anyway |
| 03:33 | <mchou> | so ist the windows SW that comes with wintv-hd any good? or crap? |
| 03:33 | <mchou> | is* |
| 03:34 | <hadees> | don't know never used it |
| 03:34 | <ChaosExiguum> | my impression is it's crap, but thats only from Reading The Internet(tm) |
| 03:34 | <mchou> | anyone know which decoder chip it uses? |
| 03:35 | <ChaosExiguum> | I found out using google |
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| 03:35 | <mchou> | ugh, teralogic..... |
| 03:36 | <mchou> | don't expect linux support any time soon..... |
| 03:36 | <krush02> | thanks all... i'm outta here for now |
| 03:36 | <ChaosExiguum> | yea, thats the impression I got |
| 03:36 | <mchou> | "Intellectual Property" |
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| 03:37 | <mchou> | so pcHDTV doesn't have HW decoder, correct? |
| 03:37 | <ChaosExiguum> | correct |
| 03:38 | <ChaosExiguum> | it's really just an atsc tuner, dumps the _entire_ stream on you |
| 03:38 | <mchou> | yeah, not good.... |
| 03:38 | <hadees> | so you pay alot for the card and then have to pay alot of a cpu to decode the stream |
| 03:39 | <mchou> | yeah, not really a deal..... |
| 03:39 | <ChaosExiguum> | plus any of the substation tuning or audio stream selecting has to be done by your sw |
| 03:39 | <hadees> | it has to be possible to add a hardware decoder |
| 03:40 | <ChaosExiguum> | you could build one? |
| 03:40 | <mchou> | but even in windows atsc HW decoders suck big time..... |
| 03:40 | <hadees> | no i just mean the guys who designed the card |
| 03:41 | <hadees> | mchou: well stuff that has been proven over and over is that some stuff that sucks under windows is because of windows, i have seen things like quickcams work better under linux |
| 03:42 | <hadees> | plus how is the TV decoding it to display it |
| 03:42 | <mchou> | hehe, u get no argument from me there :) |
| 03:42 | <hadees> | it needs a decoder right |
| 03:42 | <ChaosExiguum> | hadees, well, either its getting analouge input (component) or dvi-hd (or whatever its called) |
| 03:43 | <ChaosExiguum> | if its getting dvi then it does need a decoder as far as I know |
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| 03:43 | <hadees> | i meant more like if the tv is reciving hdtv from your cable provider |
| 03:43 | <hadees> | how is the tv decoding it to display it |
| 03:44 | <ChaosExiguum> | ahh, yes, then your tv needs to have an hd tuner in it, or you need a set top box |
| 03:44 | <mchou> | the tv doesn't decode it, the settop box does.... |
| 03:44 | <ChaosExiguum> | few tv's have tuners though |
| 03:44 | <hadees> | didn't know you needed a settop box |
| 03:44 | <hadees> | but then the box needs to decode it |
| 03:44 | <hadees> | so stick that tuner box decoder on the pcHDTV card |
| 03:45 | <ChaosExiguum> | you would think they would |
| 03:45 | <hadees> | i know easier said then done but i can't see a use for these cards till they have them |
| 03:45 | <hadees> | otherwise it is to much a pain in the ass, for me at least |
| 03:46 | <mchou> | hadess, u wont ever see pci HW HDTV decoder cards...... |
| 03:46 | <ChaosExiguum> | my settop box has a silicon image chip in it that decodes any hd stream to 1080i/720p/480p/480i you pick |
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| 03:46 | <mchou> | hadees: allows people to steal digital cable, so to speak..... |
| 03:47 | <mchou> | so I don't think you will ever see pci HW HDTV decoders.... |
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| 03:48 | <mchou> | on the consumer market, at least..... |
| 03:48 | <hadees> | mchou: your most likely right and that really sucks |
| 03:48 | <mchou> | for engieering purposes, there are pci cards..... |
| 03:48 | <mchou> | engineering* |
| 03:48 | <hadees> | mchou: how ever the cards will probaly exist because of tivo |
| 03:48 | <rehan> | hi - i'm trying to get my keyboard to work on minimyth - anyone know anything about that here? |
| 03:49 | <ChaosExiguum> | mchou, true ture, too bad they cost in the thousends |
| 03:49 | <mchou> | hadees: tivo will be STB..... |
| 03:49 | <mchou> | not a pci card..... |
| 03:49 | <ChaosExiguum> | rehan, what sort of keyboard is it? I expect it ought to work out of the box |
| 03:50 | <rehan> | it's a ps2 keyboard |
| 03:50 | <ChaosExiguum> | does it work in windows/dos/whatever? |
| 03:50 | <rehan> | when i press numlock, the key doesn't even light up |
| 03:50 | <ChaosExiguum> | sounds like a hw problem |
| 03:50 | <rehan> | i can access the bios with it, and freevix works with it |
| 03:51 | <hadees> | well in the future i bet we can make our own pci cards with our pci card printer, so i can just print off a copy of an illegal (because of the DMA) HDTV decoder and then me and George Jetson will go play space golf |
| 03:51 | <ChaosExiguum> | perhaps the minimyth kernel wasnt compiled with ps2 keyboard support somehow |
| 03:51 | <mchou> | rehan: try capslock.....se if it lights up.... |
| 03:51 | <mchou> | see* |
| 03:51 | <rehan> | hang on... |
| 03:51 | <rehan> | nope - no caps lock either |
| 03:52 | <mchou> | rehan: I agree with ChaosExiguum.... |
| 03:53 | <mchou> | rehan: ps2 kb support not compiled in/HW prob..... |
| 03:53 | <ChaosExiguum> | yea, I'd ask the minimyth mailing list/forum/whatever they have going |
| 03:54 | <rehan> | thanks...i'm just trying to test out the distro to see how well it works before i go and buy an IR receiver |
| 03:54 | <hadees> | carrier pigeon |
| 03:55 | * | ChaosExiguum lols |
| 03:55 | <mchou> | hadees: u solve you heat issues from a while back? |
| 03:55 | <mchou> | your* |
| 03:56 | <hadees> | mchou: haven't stress tested it yet |
| 03:56 | <hadees> | i didn't actully do anything so now that mythtv is running i will see |
| 03:56 | <hadees> | if it is really heat |
| 03:57 | <mchou> | really, so problem "disappeared" spontaneously? |
| 03:57 | <rehan> | i can telnet into my minimyth box - is there any way to control it from there??? |
| 03:57 | <hadees> | not really i went on vaction |
| 03:57 | <mchou> | man, that's some long vacation :) |
| 03:58 | <hadees> | well it was two weeks and then i school started up again |
| 03:58 | <hadees> | and now i am back in the grove |
| 03:58 | <ChaosExiguum> | rehan, not really... at least not an easy way I can think of |
| 04:01 | <ChaosExiguum> | well its bed time here in EST land, so I'll see you all later :o) |
| 04:02 | <hadees> | mchou: speak of the devil, mythtv just froze and i think it was heat related |
| 04:02 | <hadees> | damn |
| 04:02 | <hadees> | i need to add some pci slot fans |
| 04:04 | <mchou> | hadees, sheesh, u pay $700 for a case and its fubar..... |
| 04:05 | <hadees> | mchou: hehe i think it is my fault, i have 3 hot mpeg decoder cards right next to each other |
| 04:06 | <hadees> | i need to space them out |
| 04:06 | <hadees> | and make sure the wires arn't effecting the air flow |
| 04:06 | <hadees> | mchou: the real draw of this case is it looks like a high end reciver |
| 04:09 | <mchou> | hadees:dont think u can put more fans in that case...... |
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| 04:10 | <hadees> | mchou: i am going to space out the mpeg2 cards |
| 04:10 | <hadees> | and if that doesn't work i am adding pci fans to the empty slots |
| 04:14 | <mchou> | hadees: good luck.....I got to go recover my mozilla address book, it crashed on me, no is fubar...... later. |
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| 09:29 | <o_cee> | the behaviour in guidegrid.cpp, pressing enter does editRecording(), can't it do that only if you've highlighted something that should record? else it'd change to that channel.. |
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| 13:31 | <Magick> | Interesting article on linux.kernel about how the scheduler may affect video capture performance: |
| 13:31 | <Magick> | http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=1gP6g-1ks-41%40gated-at.bofh.it&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26group%3Dlinux.kernel |
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| 14:16 | <FooBar01> | Does anyone know if the nasty |
| 14:16 | <FooBar01> | whoops |
| 14:17 | <FooBar01> | Does anyone know if the nasty "waiting 2 seconds.." errors that have been plaguing many users recently has been fixed in the latest .debs? |
| 14:19 | <_rkulagow> | chutt: here? |
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| 14:56 | <hadees> | where should i get ebuilds from http://gentoo.brianandsara.net/portage/ or http://epia.kalf.org/portage/ |
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| 15:13 | <FooBar01> | Hmm...Looks like people just ask questions in here, but nobody answers |
| 15:13 | <FooBar01> | Oh, well. |
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| 15:30 | <hadees> | FooBar01: whats your question? |
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| 16:00 | <Niqo> | hmm, anybody tried clean latest cvs? |
| 16:06 | <Niqo> | the db lock in dvbcam never gets access... |
| 16:06 | <Niqo> | :( |
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| 16:09 | <Niqo> | if i skip the locks in dvbcam, the server starts up, and can record, but no time in epg and unable to generate preview png (rambles on about opening the file) |
| 16:10 | <Chutt> | calling it from someplace that already has the lock? |
| 16:11 | <Niqo> | nope, dvbchannel emits the signal right after it locks/unlocks |
| 16:11 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:11 | <Chutt> | ah well |
| 16:11 | <Chutt> | sure it's using the same pointer to the lock? |
| 16:12 | <Niqo> | yea |
| 16:12 | <Niqo> | it worked earlier, but i checked out a clean for both front and backend |
| 16:14 | <Niqo> | i'll check some more in about 20min, watching a cool show :) |
| 16:15 | <pahli_bar> | damn sourceforge |
| 16:17 | <_rkulagow> | chutt: docs sync please. |
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| 16:28 | <Cocoduck> | Hi Everyone |
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| 16:33 | <Cocoduck> | I come from the land of Windowz with a request or just a general question. I currently use XP Media Center Edition 2004 (MCE) for my HTPC. I have looked into mythTV and recognized what a fine pice of software it is, in particular, the functionality that allows you to erase commercials from recorded TV. Now what I was wondering was if it would a possibility for somone to program a similar add-on for MCE. I am guessing it would work by recognizin |
| 16:35 | <Cocoduck> | I assume the code for this functionality could be taken from mythTV, if the author would be so generous to us M$ folks who lack this fine feature. |
| 16:36 | <sfr> | just do a checkout from cvs. everything is publically available. |
| 16:36 | <pahli_bar> | Cocoduck: its gpl code. use and share |
| 16:36 | <engie> | If mythtv is GPL - which I think it is - MS would be welcome to use the code. As long as they in return let everyone else use all their code in teh product :D |
| 16:36 | <engie> | I think that's fair |
| 16:37 | <pahli_bar> | myhtpc is released under what licence |
| 16:37 | <Cocoduck> | haha engie i mean it would me an add-on that somone would program. I dont know how to so i was just throwing out the idea |
| 16:38 | <bdunn13> | I don't think anyone here is just going to go out and make a feature like that for Win when there is still stuff to do directly for mythv |
| 16:39 | <Cocoduck> | oh bdunn13 maybe then could somone point me to where in the myth source i can find this code, so i can pass it onto some MCE users who program |
| 16:39 | <bdunn13> | just goto mythtv.org and you can download it all there |
| 16:40 | <FooBar01> | I'm having the problem where Live TV freezes after a while and "Waited 2 seconds..." is repeatedly displayed |
| 16:40 | <Cocoduck> | bdunn13 i have downloaded it and there are tons of files here, is there a particular file that pertains to that feature (i hope that doesent sound dumb) |
| 16:40 | <thor_> | all your MCE belong to us |
| 16:41 | <pahli_bar> | Cocoduck: just remember its GPL code and so there are clauses attached to using those |
| 16:42 | <bdunn13> | I am not very familiar with the sorce code but there is going to be quite a few files and libraries that that feature will use.. |
| 16:43 | <bdunn13> | I am sure a windows programmer with the ability to port it to win will be able to find what he needs.. |
| 16:44 | <Cocoduck> | uh hu |
| 16:44 | <srl> | Can you even write extensions or modules for mce? |
| 16:44 | <Cocoduck> | umm i know there is an SDK as to what you can do, i duno |
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| 16:45 | <pahli_bar> | from the myhtpc.net frontpage: *myHTPC is not open source and is only free for personal, non-commercial use. |
| 16:46 | <Niqo> | hmm, rebuilt with debug, and it's gone...trying release again |
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| 16:47 | <sams2100> | I heard a rumor that someone was in here asking for a windows port of some sort... |
| 16:47 | <Cocoduck> | sams2100 no i asked for something differnt |
| 16:47 | <Cocoduck> | let me copy and past my question |
| 16:47 | <Cocoduck> | I currently use XP Media Center Edition 2004 (MCE) for my HTPC. I have looked into mythTV and recognized what a fine pice of software it is, in particular, the functionality that allows you to erase commercials from recorded TV. Now what I was wondering was if it would a possibility for somone to program a similar add-on for MCE. I am guessing it would work by recognizing when a new file has been created in the recorded TV folder, and would simp |
| 16:48 | <racer> | from the myhtpc.net FORUM, from PABLO the programmer: "Since H2 will be a commercial application, it is difficult for us to accept help developing it. But, once it is out, you are more than welcome to develop plugins and modules for it." |
| 16:49 | <sams2100> | well since its a commercial application, why not start up a company to sell commercial removal plugins for it? |
| 16:50 | <racer> | :) |
| 16:50 | <Cocoduck> | sams2100 any comment on my question or you were just wondering |
| 16:50 | <sams2100> | Its like Bill Gates coming in here and asking for some help removing a bug from his OS... |
| 16:50 | <racer> | Sounds like the H2 will be a good app! |
| 16:51 | <Cocoduck> | haha sams2100 |
| 16:51 | <bdunn13> | lol |
| 16:51 | <Niqo> | Chutt: with backend built with debug, it does not stop at the lock, but the frontend gives 'Connection timed out.' right away |
| 16:51 | <Cocoduck> | no its like a user of software that lacks a great feature, asking some questions |
| 16:52 | <sams2100> | Coco, why not write the functionality yourself? |
| 16:52 | <pahli_bar> | Cocoduck: well you are asking in the wrong forum then |
| 16:52 | <sams2100> | and make some money selling the plugin for that other app... |
| 16:52 | <Cocoduck> | thanks pahli_bar |
| 16:52 | <Cocoduck> | sams2100 if i knew how to, i would |
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| 16:53 | <Cocoduck> | i know minimal infor about programming so i think i lack much of the skill for this |
| 16:53 | <sams2100> | generally, open source coders dont write things for commercial software |
| 16:54 | <sams2100> | unless they get paid to do it :) |
| 16:54 | <Cocoduck> | well its an add-on really, more of open source coder to the rescue type situation |
| 16:54 | <Cocoduck> | haha |
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