| --- | Log | opened Tue Jan 20 00:00:20 2004 |
| --- | Day | changed Tue Jan 20 2004 |
| 00:00 | <cmorgan> | Chutt: i was going to add if(bitrate>maxbitrate) bitrate = maxbitrate; to avoid giving the driver invalid parameters |
| 00:00 | <mdz> | heh, there sure are a lot of places to change to add a column to the channel table |
| 00:00 | <cmorgan> | additional error checking is something else we should be doing |
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| 00:03 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 00:04 | <mdz> | the error handling in xmlparse.cpp seems a little severe |
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| 00:10 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:10 | <mdz> | it seems like some of those exit(0)s could be 'return's |
| 00:10 | <Chutt> | can't load the file, death |
| 00:10 | <mdz> | missing attribute on an xml element, kill the program |
| 00:10 | <Chutt> | probably |
| 00:10 | <Chutt> | though, it means that it's an invalid theme file |
| 00:11 | <mdz> | there are 86 of those tests |
| 00:11 | <thor_> | most of the modules are willing to live with things that are supposed to be in the theme but aren't |
| 00:12 | <thor_> | (not all, but many) |
| 00:16 | <thor_> | heh, g++ really dislikes stray ]'s in header files |
| 00:18 | <mdz> | gcc's whole behaviour of continuing after an error is questionable in my opinion |
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| 00:21 | <Chutt> | tmk, still here? |
| 00:23 | <tmk> | ya |
| 00:25 | <Chutt> | david engel wanted me to ask you about your cvs tree and if you wanted to keep hosting it at sf :p |
| 00:25 | <tmk> | yeah i do |
| 00:25 | <tmk> | looks like it's stuck in select/sleep/ioctl |
| 00:26 | <tmk> | when it refuses to playback |
| 00:26 | <tmk> | loops |
| 00:26 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:26 | <Chutt> | where in the code? |
| 00:26 | <Chutt> | he was just worried about keeping stuff current, since anon cvs is a little behind your stuff |
| 00:27 | <tmk> | i update cvs-latest when important |
| 00:29 | <Chutt> | ya ya |
| 00:30 | <Chutt> | just wanted to ask, that's all |
| 00:43 | <FryGuy> | chutt: should I have carried over the deadlock stuff i wrote to MpegRecorder too? I didn't really look into those too much because I didn't think they would have the same kind of problems. |
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| 00:47 | <Chutt> | fryguy, probably =) |
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| 00:48 | <Chutt> | don't worry 'bout it, the framework's there for someone else to do it now |
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| 01:00 | <Desiac> | tv_grab_au has been shutdown, on the mailing list i found a working channel table so i've manually inserted it into the channel table, when i try and run mythfilldatabase i get the error cant find /.mythtv/.xmltv |
| 01:01 | <thor_> | hmmm mdz is being rather diligent |
| 01:02 | <mdz> | that's a nice way of saying "anal" |
| 01:02 | <Chutt> | what the hell is going on |
| 01:02 | <Chutt> | did that latest filter patch just fuck everything up? |
| 01:02 | <mdz> | mine? or was there another filter patch? |
| 01:02 | <Chutt> | not yours |
| 01:02 | <Chutt> | something i committed earlier |
| 01:02 | <mdz> | phew |
| 01:03 | <thor_> | not up to current |
| 01:04 | <mdz> | basic playback is working OK here with cvs; what's busted? |
| 01:04 | <thor_> | USING_XV stuff? |
| 01:04 | <Chutt> | analog live tv |
| 01:05 | <Chutt> | regular playback |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | i need a new kernel |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | interactive performance while compiling sucks ass. |
| 01:08 | <thor_> | bigger desk, more 'puters |
| 01:08 | <Chutt> | naw, i retired all my machines :p |
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| 01:21 | <aceat64> | hello |
| 01:22 | <aceat64> | can someone tell me what the difference is between the Gentoo packages MythTV and mythfrontend? |
| 01:24 | <ahbritto> | aceat64: mythfrontend removes some files after building: like mythsetup , if you are not recording on the machine, you can use mythfrontend |
| 01:25 | <aceat64> | so if I am recording all I need is MythTV? |
| 01:25 | <ahbritto> | yes |
| 01:25 | <aceat64> | thank you |
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| 01:32 | <aceat64> | Only 38 packages (minus anything for the TV-Tuner) to go =) |
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| 01:42 | <mdz> | Chutt: do you have any feeling on <cfoo> vs. <foo.h>? |
| 01:42 | <mdz> | I noticed recently that <cfoo> is sometimes different from <foo.h> and have started using those more often |
| 01:43 | <Chutt> | eh, not really |
| 01:46 | <Chutt> | don't care one way or the other, aside that more people would be used to seeing the traditional includes |
| 01:51 | <mdz> | for instance, <cmath> declares overloaded versions of stuff for float vs. double so you don't need to worry about fabs vs. abs, etc. |
| 01:55 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 01:55 | <Chutt> | fuckin hell |
| 01:55 | <Chutt> | it was the win32 patch |
| 01:56 | <Chutt> | the guy didn't change all the videooutput classes |
| 01:56 | <mdz> | there's a win32 patch? |
| 01:56 | <Chutt> | well, cygwin |
| 01:57 | <Chutt> | i applied all the little things from it |
| 01:57 | <mdz> | even so, I didn't realize |
| 01:57 | <mdz> | what parts does it actually build? |
| 01:57 | <Chutt> | left out a few bits |
| 01:57 | <Chutt> | the frontend |
| 01:57 | <mdz> | does it have a video output class that works? |
| 01:57 | <mdz> | and audio? |
| 01:58 | <Chutt> | supposedly |
| 01:58 | <Chutt> | patch was on the -dev list today |
| 01:59 | <Chutt> | i haven't done a commit yet, though |
| 01:59 | <mdz> | I must have missed it |
| 02:00 | <Chutt> | Win32 frontend support |
| 02:00 | <Chutt> | Ian Caulfield |
| 02:01 | <mdz> | ouch, needs toolchain patches |
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| 02:08 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 02:11 | <tmk> | is cvs myth ok right now |
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| 02:30 | <thor_> | ok, the term is definitely anal |
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| 02:33 | <vagrant> | how would I go about making an SVCD with mythtv captured stuff? |
| 02:34 | <vagrant> | my card should already be encoding it to mpeg2, so I'm hoping it's relatively simple. |
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| 02:37 | <thor_> | vagrant, http://forevermore.net/mythtv/files/ |
| 02:38 | <vagrant> | thor_: awesome, thanks. |
| 02:39 | <thor_> | yup |
| 02:40 | <bdale> | anyone know how to coerce xfree86 into a 1280x720 60hz mode? |
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| 04:05 | <knight-> | heh |
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| 04:53 | <knight-> | any qt guys around? |
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| 05:10 | <knight-> | blah |
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| 05:48 | <knight-> | main.o(.text+0x44a): In function `main': |
| 05:48 | <knight-> | : undefined reference to `vtable for MyClass' |
| 05:48 | <knight-> | doh |
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| 06:13 | <choenig> | knight-: tried a 'make distclean' ? |
| 06:18 | <Greff> | Is it possible to run avidemux2 headless or are there better choices for scripted pvr250 mpeg reindexing etc...? |
| 06:19 | <Greff> | (to make dvdauthor understand the files) |
| 06:23 | <Greff> | I just think it looks messy having all these dialogs appear on your screen during the conversion. |
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| 08:33 | <warlord> | Greff: just set the pvr input to dvd-special-2 and dvdauthor should be able to read it directly. |
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| 09:18 | <Greff> | warlord: Where would I set the pvr setting? I'm not sure I have seen any options similar to that. |
| 09:23 | <Greff> | warlord: Ahh, is that one of the alternatives to mpeg-2 ps in the myth recording profiles screen? |
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| 09:51 | <warlord> | yes |
| 09:51 | <warlord> | stream type |
| 09:53 | <Greff> | warlord: ok I'll try that, thanks. Are there any side effects in mythtv when using this stream type instead? |
| 09:54 | <warlord> | Not that I've noticed.. |
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| 10:23 | <Greff> | warlord: Excellent, that'll save me 10 minutes per 30 minute show. Are people using custom scripts for mythtv->dvdauthor or does something exist in the public domain for this kind of thing? |
| 10:25 | <warlord> | Uh, I think you just need to run "dvdauthor foo.mpg"... |
| 10:25 | <warlord> | or something like that.. |
| 10:26 | <warlord> | I may have written a short script.. |
| 10:26 | <warlord> | yea, it's like: |
| 10:26 | <warlord> | dvdauthor -o dvd goo.mpg |
| 10:26 | <warlord> | dvdauthor -T -o dvd |
| 10:26 | <warlord> | mkisofs -dvd-video -udf dvd.iso dvd |
| 10:26 | <warlord> | dvdrecord -dao speed=2 dev=0,0,0 dvd.iso |
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| 10:29 | <krash314> | warlord: what kind of horsepower is needed to run dvdauthor? |
| 10:30 | <warlord> | no clue. |
| 10:30 | <warlord> | note that it doesn't have to run it real-time.. |
| 10:30 | <krash314> | how long does it take to run thru the steps for u? |
| 10:31 | <warlord> | Didn't time it. Sorry. |
| 10:31 | <krash314> | guesstimate? :) |
| 10:31 | <warlord> | majority of the time was the dvdrecord |
| 10:32 | <krash314> | just wondering if I can get away with running this on my low end myth box PII-300 |
| 10:32 | <warlord> | why not? so long as you're not encoding TV on it simultaneously. |
| 10:33 | <krash314> | well I will definitely give it a shot. |
| 10:35 | <krash314> | also wondering if I can just do the last 2 steps with a ripped vob file |
| 10:36 | <warlord> | maybe... |
| 10:36 | <krash314> | most of this is pretty new to me, obviously |
| 10:40 | <warlord> | I'd suggest some web-reading... |
| 10:40 | <krash314> | yep |
| 10:40 | <krash314> | and thanks |
| 10:44 | <warlord> | NP |
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| 14:28 | <dunc> | hi all, i keep getting these errors(on the backend) while watching a recording: |
| 14:29 | <dunc> | ran out of free AUDIO buffers :-( |
| 14:29 | <dunc> | is there anything i can tweak to get more audio buffers? (something in /proc perhaps?) |
| 14:30 | <sfr> | there's a setting named 'Use large audiobuffers' or similar in the playback settings screen. |
| 14:31 | <dunc> | oh right, cheers |
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| 14:31 | <dunc> | 'extra audio buffering' |
| 14:31 | <dunc> | cheers sfr |
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| 14:57 | <Chutt> | lmatter, how goes minimyth? |
| 14:57 | <lmatter> | slowly, life sucks up all my time. |
| 14:58 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:58 | <lmatter> | I'm using GAR to build it all from scratch. I'm using Ivor's open source MPEG driver now. Works nicely. |
| 14:58 | <Chutt> | that's cool. |
| 14:59 | <lmatter> | Stupid question if I may. You mentioned on mythtv-users that the nvideo RENDER accel option helps with alpha blending. |
| 14:59 | <lmatter> | Is there an equiv for CLE266? Is it just DRI? |
| 14:59 | <Chutt> | not that i'm aware of |
| 15:00 | <Chutt> | Qt uses the render extension to alpha blend pixmaps together, like in most of the mythtv UI |
| 15:00 | <Chutt> | the software blending is pretty damn slow, so unless the driver does some hardware render accel... |
| 15:01 | <lmatter> | ok thanks. |
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| 15:01 | <lmatter> | You thinking 0.14 will be out in a week or so? |
| 15:02 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 15:02 | <Chutt> | later next week, hopefully |
| 15:02 | <lmatter> | I'm going to try to get a new release out near then. |
| 15:03 | <Chutt> | hopefully the knoppmyth guys will manage to as well |
| 15:03 | <kvandivo> | they up to .12 yet? |
| 15:04 | <Chutt> | they're on 0.12 |
| 15:04 | <kvandivo> | ahh |
| 15:14 | <hadees> | i don't suppose anyone has figured out what this error i am is? |
| 15:14 | <hadees> | 2004-01-18 17:42:36 Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV |
| 15:14 | <hadees> | Remote encoder not responding |
| 15:14 | <hadees> | QsocketDevice::writeBlock: Invalid socket |
| 15:14 | <hadees> | 2004-01-18 17:42:36 Error writing stringlist |
| 15:14 | <hadees> | QSocketDevice::writeBlock: Invalid socket |
| 15:14 | <hadees> | 2004-01-18 17:42:36 Error writing stringlist |
| 15:14 | <hadees> | QSocketDevice::readBlock: Invalid socket |
| 15:14 | <hadees> | or give me a direction to research the problem in |
| 15:15 | <Chutt> | use cvs. |
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| 15:15 | <hadees> | Chutt: didn't know if that was the problem, i'll try it thanks |
| 15:16 | <Chutt> | can't hurt to try it |
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| 15:18 | <bdale> | I'm trying to figure out how to get 1280x720 ... appears Xfree86 doesn't have a mode for it. Anyone have a working mode line I could try, or a pointer to where to find one? Been a long time since I crafted an X mode line from scratch... |
| 15:18 | <o_cee> | search gogle for xfree modeline generator |
| 15:19 | <bdale> | o_cee: cool. thanks. did a lot of searching last night, didn't find this though... |
| 15:19 | <kvandivo> | wow.. you actually can go to www.gogle.com and do your searching.. |
| 15:19 | <o_cee> | yeah :) i always do that |
| 15:19 | <o_cee> | faster to write ;) |
| 15:20 | <o_cee> | http://koala.ilog.fr/cgi-bin/nph-colas-modelines |
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| 15:28 | <steelep> | bdale |
| 15:28 | <steelep> | you still here? |
| 15:35 | <steelep> | this one works on mine, but has a pretty big overscan |
| 15:35 | <steelep> | ModeLine "720p" 74.25 1280 1328 1384 1666 720 722 728 766 |
| 15:35 | <steelep> | that's on an ATI btw |
| 15:45 | <Chutt> | o_cee, i'm going to get gant into cvs this weekend |
| 15:45 | <Chutt> | so if you have any updates... =) |
| 15:46 | <o_cee> | i just send you an email :) (without update tho) |
| 15:46 | <o_cee> | heh |
| 15:46 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 15:46 | <o_cee> | is it possible to get write access to that dir? |
| 15:46 | <Chutt> | we'll see |
| 15:46 | <o_cee> | allright.. i guess i could send you the stuff i have at the moment and fix it up afterwards |
| 15:47 | <o_cee> | i moved the stuff over to the frontend, and the mythmusic stuff stopped working.. need to check that.. and there's some images that needs some size tweaking |
| 15:48 | <o_cee> | but i added the search title and the container david pointed out |
| 15:50 | <bdale> | steelep: thanks, my son is watching "between the lions" recordings from last week right now, but I'll try it later. I've got both a recent ATI and a recent nVidia card to play with... |
| 15:52 | <bdale> | another question... I'd like to optimally drive my 16x9 720p display, *and* get a 4x3 NTSC output to drive the modulator feeding other TVs around the house. Possible to do in a single frontend box showing the same program on both outputs simultaneously, or does this sound like a clear case of wanting a second frontend to get it all to work? |
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| 16:15 | <hadees> | how is native alsa support? |
| 16:16 | <hadees> | is it good enough so that if i want to use alsa i should use native alsa support instead of oss emulation in alsa |
| 16:16 | <steelep> | bdale, I'd use 2 frontends to drive one at 4x3 and another at 16x9 |
| 16:18 | <steelep> | you could of course retransmit the 16x9, but what if you have 4x3 inside 16x9, then you retransmit that into 4x3, yuk. |
| 16:19 | <steelep> | if you want a rediculously cheap frontend, get an xbox |
| 16:19 | <hadees> | can the xboxs be used now with out a modchip? |
| 16:19 | <hadees> | i heard that someplace |
| 16:22 | <steelep> | not sure... try here |
| 16:22 | <steelep> | http://www.cyber-fish.com/mythtv/ |
| 16:28 | <steelep> | you can do a software hack to avoid modchips |
| 16:30 | <bdale> | steelep: yeah, pretty much what I figured. I've got lots of hardware to choose from, no worries there. Just realized late last night that if I cut the video on the main frontend over to optimally drive my uber-cool new widescreen in the living room, that I'm going to lose the NTSC feed for the modulator, and that will annoy the family. It's always something... |
| 16:30 | <knight-> | are we talking about xbox linux? |
| 16:31 | <bdale> | so, why so much excitement about the xbox? the last time I looked, they didn't feel all that cheap. maybe I missed something? |
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| 16:31 | <knight-> | $150 aint bad for a complete pc with digital audio and video output |
| 16:32 | <knight-> | try building one for that price :) |
| 16:32 | <knight-> | and it's compact |
| 16:32 | <bdale> | who has them for that price? I'm not a game console fan-boy, so wouldn't know offhand where to shop. |
| 16:33 | <kvandivo> | gamespot has used ones for that.. or is it gamestop.. the one that's the store.. |
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| 16:33 | <servo> | hello |
| 16:33 | <servo> | ok so for the database; what username / pass am I suppose to give mythtv? |
| 16:34 | <knight-> | yeah |
| 16:34 | <sfr> | servo: hint you named it ;) |
| 16:34 | <knight-> | any Qt programmers around? |
| 16:34 | <servo> | mythtv as the username? and pass? |
| 16:34 | <sfr> | servo: yup |
| 16:34 | <pahli_bar> | knight-: shoot. |
| 16:35 | <servo> | oh ok =-) talk about security! heh |
| 16:35 | <servo> | I doubt anybody will try to use mythtv as a username on the server; lol ;-) |
| 16:35 | <knight-> | pahli_bar, just trying to get my feet wetter in Qt for myth stuff... i created a simple app but it doesnt seem to work |
| 16:35 | <knight-> | pahli_bar, it's segment faulting, and i'm not sure why... |
| 16:36 | <pahli_bar> | knight-: tarball? |
| 16:36 | <knight-> | sure |
| 16:36 | <sfr> | servo: that's the login info for the mysql database. what you choose for the user running the backend/frontend is up to you. |
| 16:36 | <servo> | k |
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| 16:37 | <pahli_bar> | lot of people have mythtv as a standard user (like mine), but have them sit behind a firewall/router |
| 16:39 | <knight-> | pahli_bar, it's very very simple |
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| 16:41 | <bdale> | knight-: thanks for the pointers. looks interesting, but as I already have a nehemiah itx board in hand, I'll probably just use that instead of having to hack on yet another platform. |
| 16:41 | <knight-> | bdale, indeed |
| 16:42 | <knight-> | bdale, i made a cluster of xboxs :) http://www.kevinelliott.net/xbox |
| 16:42 | <pahli_bar> | knight-: you need to have an the app running. right now in the main its just creating the class and exiting. you would need to do something like QApplication a(argc,argv); a.exec(); |
| 16:43 | <bdale> | knight-: cool |
| 16:43 | <knight-> | pahli_bar, even though i wont have anything in that app? |
| 16:44 | <pahli_bar> | hang on |
| 16:44 | <bdale> | a distcc cluster of xboxen... /me chuckles |
| 16:44 | <knight-> | bdale, :) |
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| 16:44 | <bdale> | probably draws a lot less power than my rack of ia64 boxes... |
| 16:45 | <knight-> | bdale, well i also have a few other boxes in the cluster.... like a 3ghz athlon, a 2ghz athlon, a dual 1ghz, and a 1ghz |
| 16:45 | <knight-> | bdale, lets just say my kernel compiles are speedy |
| 16:45 | <knight-> | last i checked it was under 40 seconds |
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| 16:47 | <pahli_bar> | knight-: oops sorry. error is somewhere else: Line 15 of main.cpp . you are overriding the data member |
| 16:47 | <knight-> | ahh |
| 16:48 | <knight-> | pahli_bar, fixed, not segment faulting, but can you tell me why it's not downloading? |
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| 16:51 | <bishop> | can anyone recommend a pvr card that works with myth that is mini pci (1/2 height) |
| 16:55 | <lmatter> | bishop, you might look at the Yuan MPG600, http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=N82E16814144601 |
| 16:56 | <lmatter> | check with ivtv.sf.net to make sure it's supported. |
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| 17:08 | <knight-> | heh |
| 17:12 | <o_cee> | pahli_bar: did you try to do that transition we talked about? or was it to much? |
| 17:13 | <sfr> | cvs from yesterday uses more and more cpu with time. freshly started its at ~35% and now ~75%. |
| 17:13 | <sfr> | while watching tv |
| 17:13 | <knight-> | indeed it does |
| 17:13 | <knight-> | my load average with watching tv on all the time shoots up to 1.75 |
| 17:13 | <knight-> | over time |
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| 17:14 | <hadees> | every once and a while i get a segmentation fault, is there any reason behind this? |
| 17:14 | <hadees> | when it happens i usally can't repeat it |
| 17:15 | <kvandivo> | i'd say, almost certainly, that there is a reason behind it |
| 17:16 | <Chutt> | The software which is used with OpenPVS is all free software. In the next few days (1 end of the month) you aim toward release, presently do ardent development. As for the software package it is the schedule which distributes on this sight. |
| 17:16 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:16 | <Chutt> | babelfish is funny |
| 17:17 | <Chutt> | http://www.devicehackers.com/openpvs/index.php |
| 17:17 | <o_cee> | cool :) |
| 17:18 | <o_cee> | hey, there's gant as well, hehhe |
| 17:18 | <sfr> | hm, i've seen that gui before |
| 17:18 | <Chutt> | http://www.systemcreate-inc.com/gsxr/pc/mythtv.html |
| 17:18 | <Chutt> | are some of the patches, apparently |
| 17:19 | <thor_> | hmmm interesting |
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| 17:20 | <hadees> | why does it come with a computer monitor? |
| 17:21 | <kvandivo> | When it tries using MythTV, being to be good well enough, it tried localizing into Japanese. |
| 17:24 | <kvandivo> | 90,000 yen = 841 bucks |
| 17:26 | <hadees> | i'll just wait for the japanese econmy to crash and then buy it for 50 bucks |
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| 17:28 | <o_cee> | kenneth around? |
| 17:28 | <servo> | ok; I get this error: Unknown database 'mythconverg'... this means I need to create a new database right? So how is that done? |
| 17:30 | <hadees> | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html |
| 17:30 | <hadees> | servo: look at that page |
| 17:32 | <servo> | I don't have a 'mc.sql' file |
| 17:32 | <servo> | where does one find this file? |
| 17:32 | <kvandivo> | updatedb ; locate mc.sql |
| 17:32 | * | kvandivo knudges thor_ knowingly. |
| 17:32 | <sfr> | you don't find the file, the file finds you when the time has come. |
| 17:33 | <kvandivo> | the myth equivalent of 'don't call us; we'll call you.' ? |
| 17:34 | <hadees> | servo: you find your mc.sql file? |
| 17:35 | <servo> | not yet |
| 17:36 | <hadees> | what distro are you using? |
| 17:36 | <servo> | slackware |
| 17:36 | <servo> | it's still looking for it |
| 17:37 | <servo> | harddrive is spinning; so it should find it... i hope |
| 17:37 | <hadees> | you really should use an easyer distro if you are unexperanced with linux |
| 17:37 | <hadees> | like redhat or mandrake |
| 17:38 | <servo> | nah; I have a mild amount of experiance. im not super-duper-smart; but I just got sick of suse |
| 17:38 | <servo> | plus I enjoy learning how to do thigs |
| 17:39 | <servo> | WOW! it found it! but it found it in the trash can... "/root/Desktop/Trash/reqLibs4MythTV/mythtv-0.13/database/mc.sql" |
| 17:39 | <servo> | lol |
| 17:39 | <servo> | required myth libs in the trash |
| 17:40 | <hadees> | you must have moved it there, i don't think it could have gotten there on its own |
| 17:40 | <pahli_bar> | knight-: sorry. had to run away for some stuff |
| 17:40 | <servo> | hmm not sure how they got there ==\, but atleat I found them |
| 17:42 | <servo> | you know what... I'll reinstall mythtv. |
| 17:43 | <sfr> | Trash can, reinstall. suse must look a lot like windows these days. |
| 17:44 | <servo> | I don't use suse =-(... |
| 17:44 | <servo> | trash can is in KDE |
| 17:44 | <servo> | and gnome |
| 17:44 | <servo> | and reinstall implys you will be reinstalling the program... |
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| 17:45 | <servo> | I guess I should say; "im going to compile a new version of mythtv" |
| 17:46 | <pahli_bar> | heh. Of course there is also a sliding show mode. |
| 17:46 | * | pahli_bar rolls around laughing |
| 17:47 | <pahli_bar> | Also visualization is groovy, is. |
| 17:47 | <pahli_bar> | now this is a gem: Weather intelligence display function |
| 17:48 | <hadees> | huh? |
| 17:48 | <thor_> | bablefish on http://www.systemcreate-inc.com/gsxr/pc/mythtv.html |
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| 17:56 | <pahli_bar> | what does ! in a diff mean |
| 17:56 | <queuetue> | Hi, all. Sorry if I sound stupid, newbie to video, but not to linux. This may be the wrong channel, but I was looking for information on controlling a directv box via linux IR for automatic recording via a tv-in card, for time-shifting purposes. Is there anything turnkey, or maybe some documentation that would get me started? |
| 17:56 | <kvandivo> | that it's a really important line |
| 17:57 | <sfr> | *bg* |
| 17:57 | <hadees> | queuete: look at mythtv.org |
| 17:58 | <hadees> | queuetue: look at mythtv.org |
| 17:58 | <queuetue> | hadees: Does it do all of that (the IR control part?) |
| 17:58 | <hadees> | with lirc yes |
| 17:58 | <hadees> | you need to buy/make an IR reciver |
| 17:58 | <thor_> | transceiver |
| 17:58 | <queuetue> | Awesome. I'd be better off buying one - where coudl I get one? |
| 17:58 | <thor_> | :-) |
| 17:59 | <hadees> | i like IRman my self |
| 17:59 | <kvandivo> | how much are you willing to pay? |
| 17:59 | <queuetue> | kvandivo: Uhm ... 20 bucks? :) I have no idea how much they are - hopefully not hundreds... |
| 17:59 | <hadees> | queuetue: it depends on your needs, you can get a pvr250 with a build in IR transceiver |
| 18:00 | <queuetue> | hadees: That sounds perfect - I need the pvr, as well. |
| 18:00 | <pahli_bar> | kvandivo: very funny ! |
| 18:00 | <hadees> | queuetue: well on ebay you can get that card for around $100 |
| 18:00 | <sfr> | hadees: the pvr250 one is a transceiver? |
| 18:01 | <hadees> | oh wait not it isn't |
| 18:01 | * | thor_ has bogged down everything with superfluous details .... MUWAHHHAAAHAA |
| 18:01 | <hadees> | sorry you need a reciver and a transceiver |
| 18:01 | <kvandivo> | why do you need two receivers? |
| 18:01 | <sfr> | *rotfl* |
| 18:02 | <queuetue> | Hrm. Ok, stop and start again. What do I need? :) |
| 18:02 | <hadees> | kvandivo: you don't but usally don't you want to put the trans next to the directtv box in this case |
| 18:02 | <hadees> | you need to learn about mythtv |
| 18:02 | <kvandivo> | ya.. i need to install that at some point.. |
| 18:02 | <hadees> | and make your own mind, you can get help in here, at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/archive/MythTV_C2/ |
| 18:02 | <hadees> | for the mailing list |
| 18:03 | <hadees> | and at the linux htpc message board on avsforum.org |
| 18:03 | <hadees> | also at mythtv.org |
| 18:03 | <hadees> | you also have to decide usally if your going to go with hardware encoding or software encoding |
| 18:04 | <hadees> | for recording tv that is |
| 18:04 | <queuetue> | hadees: Definitely hardwar encoding - the box is relatively weak. |
| 18:04 | <kvandivo> | wise choice |
| 18:04 | <hadees> | then you need more HD space |
| 18:04 | <hadees> | and you need a hardware card |
| 18:04 | <pahli_bar> | avermedia M179/M150 are only around 80$ at newegg |
| 18:04 | <thor_> | and a quarterback |
| 18:05 | <hadees> | i got mine for $50 on ebay |
| 18:05 | <queuetue> | Yup, froogle return 80 bucks at newegg. :) |
| 18:05 | <pahli_bar> | hadees: yeah. but its not available anymore there |
| 18:05 | <hadees> | queutue: just a heads up, they have just been added to the ivtv driver (the driver used for mpeg 2 tv recorders) |
| 18:06 | <hadees> | so if you can afford it i would spend the extra money for a pvr250 |
| 18:06 | <hadees> | but thats just me |
| 18:06 | <hadees> | i do own 2 m179 |
| 18:06 | <pahli_bar> | whats the difference? |
| 18:06 | <queuetue> | hadees: The $ difference is less than 40 bucks? |
| 18:07 | <hadees> | well i don't know if it is true or not (because i haven't gotten it working yet) but the m179 are supposed to be alittle less quality |
| 18:07 | <pahli_bar> | some guy on the user ML said that there's no difference in quality between the two |
| 18:07 | <queuetue> | Yeah, it's 100 bucks at newegg (OEM version, but I can't use the softwar anyway) |
| 18:08 | <kvandivo> | i've got both.. haven't played with the 179 much yet, but haven't noticed any quality differences myself |
| 18:08 | <queuetue> | Oh, wait. refurb. |
| 18:08 | <pahli_bar> | heh |
| 18:08 | <hadees> | well also you end up using the pvr250 firmware on the m179 so hopfully there won't be future problems with that |
| 18:09 | <pahli_bar> | hadees: the chipset is the same. so firmware shouldn't matter |
| 18:09 | <hadees> | i thought the chipsets were just similar not the same |
| 18:10 | <hadees> | alright don't lisen to me then |
| 18:10 | <queuetue> | For 60 bucks, I think I'll chance the m179 - I'm not really that into quality issues. :) |
| 18:11 | <kvandivo> | i think you still have to patch ivtv to get m179.. so be prepared for an ever so slightly higher level of general linux awareness that will be needed |
| 18:11 | <kvandivo> | last i heard tmk hadn't merged 179 in yet |
| 18:11 | <kvandivo> | anyone that wants to can correct me, though |
| 18:12 | <hadees> | nope m179 still needs to be patched |
| 18:12 | <queuetue> | So, an m179, a big-old HD, and an irman? (is an irman a tranciever, or just a reciever?) |
| 18:12 | <hadees> | reciever |
| 18:12 | <hadees> | go to lirc.org |
| 18:12 | <hadees> | they have a better list of that stuff |
| 18:12 | <pahli_bar> | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/perl/mailarc/gforum.cgi?guest=2092985&t=search_engine&do%3Dpost_view_threaded%3Bpost_latest_reply%3Bso%3DASC%3Bpost%3D95447=View+Threaded |
| 18:13 | <kvandivo> | (and you can never have too big of a hard drive.. i'm currently at 280 gigs and am seriously thinking about grabbing one of those 200 giggers next time they have them for $100).. |
| 18:13 | <pahli_bar> | there is prepatched ivtv at the ivtv wiki website |
| 18:13 | <sfr> | $100 for 200gigs? live is not fair :( |
| 18:14 | <kvandivo> | i don't buy HD space anymore for more that 50 cents a gig.. |
| 18:14 | <queuetue> | Wait ... Can I use the IR reciever on the hauppage card? So all I need is a transmitter in addition to a pvr250? Does the m179 have a reciever? |
| 18:14 | <kvandivo> | the problem i've had lately is finding drives large enough to make it worth the time (running into IDE bus limits, etc) |
| 18:15 | <queuetue> | Should I ask this in #lirc? :) |
| 18:15 | <queuetue> | No one in #lirc... |
| 18:15 | <pahli_bar> | m179 don't have a receiver |
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| 18:15 | <queuetue> | Ok. |
| 18:15 | <pahli_bar> | neither do the pvr250 oem you find on ebay |
| 18:15 | <kvandivo> | ivtv-dev would probably be a good place to ask stuff related to ivtv and lower |
| 18:16 | <sfr> | hitachi 200GB hdd go for ~170¤ over here |
| 18:17 | <queuetue> | Whoa - the www.irtrans.de transciever is a hundred euros? |
| 18:17 | <hadees> | queutue: you might want to research using a serial connection |
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| 18:18 | <hadees> | i think i read about being able to do that for some directtv boxs |
| 18:18 | <pahli_bar> | interesting reading here: http://myhtpc.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2558 |
| 18:18 | <pahli_bar> | lot of it applies to myth too |
| 18:20 | <servo> | hmm during the compile I get: "videosource.h:23: internal error: Segmentation fault" what could cause this? |
| 18:21 | <hadees> | servo: did you search the mailing list? |
| 18:22 | <thor_> | servo, flaky hardware running hot |
| 18:22 | <kvandivo> | ie., not a myth error. something lower level |
| 18:22 | <queuetue> | Ah, I can buy the cable I need from tivo. :) |
| 18:30 | <servo> | k |
| 18:30 | <servo> | well ok so now somebody explain to me what the 'backend' is? |
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| 18:32 | <kvandivo> | search the archives. it will returns jillions of hits |
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| 18:34 | <servo> | which archives? |
| 18:34 | <servo> | I don't see any search options on mythtv.org |
| 18:35 | <kvandivo> | MythTV-dev -- general discussion about development. Go here for a searchable mailing list archive. |
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| 18:41 | <servo> | so mythbackend is suppose to run the backend? |
| 18:41 | <sfr> | it is the backend |
| 18:42 | <servo> | but it wont bash.. hmm |
| 18:44 | <servo> | I got a question: So if I run the backend on my computer; and I can the frontend on another? |
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| 18:45 | <kvandivo> | http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythFeatures |
| 18:46 | <servo> | is that a yes or a no? |
| 18:46 | <kvandivo> | it's a "the answer is easily discernable from looking at that page" |
| 18:46 | <dageshii> | could anyone help me with a setup problem on knopymyth? for some reason when I setup video sources the myth frontend hangs, I think the tv_grab script might not be working 100% any ideas? |
| 18:47 | <pahli_bar> | #mythtv-users or user mailing list for user questions |
| 18:47 | <servo> | ahh! I dont see it |
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| 18:55 | <ElectricElf> | Anybody know of anybody who collects information on new cards for bttv.ko? :) |
| 18:56 | <pahli_bar> | freebsd? |
| 18:57 | <ElectricElf> | pahli_bar: Linux 2.6.x |
| 18:57 | <ElectricElf> | pahli_bar: "bttv.ko or bttv.o" |
| 18:57 | <pahli_bar> | oh. |
| 18:57 | <pahli_bar> | http://bytesex.org/bttv/ |
| 18:58 | <ElectricElf> | Yeah, not sure if he likes being contacted directly or not. |
| 18:59 | <pahli_bar> | he is the only one who maintains bttv. there is a mailing list somewhere (redhat ) |
| 18:59 | <ElectricElf> | Yeah. |
| 19:00 | <hadees> | for some reason i can't get Xv to work, i don't know why, i never had to do anything for it before |
| 19:01 | <hadees> | isn't it usally already in there? |
| 19:01 | <hadees> | it keeps wanting to fall back on non-Xv |
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| 19:06 | <servo> | Distributed architecture allowing multiple recording machines and multiple playback machines on the same network, completely transparent to the user. |
| 19:06 | <servo> | I FOUND IT :-) hurray |
| 19:06 | <sfr> | tataa ;) |
| 19:06 | <T-Squared> | and what is this magical system that works so well? |
| 19:07 | <sfr> | just a tv |
| 19:07 | <T-Squared> | on a network, now that I need to see ;) |
| 19:08 | <T-Squared> | gotta go, train stop coming up |
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| 19:08 | <hadees> | your online on a train? how much is that costing |
| 19:08 | <hadees> | doh |
| 19:15 | <servo> | During the compile og mythtv I get this error: In file included from profilegroup.cpp:2: |
| 19:15 | <servo> | videosource.h:23: internal error: Segmentation fault |
| 19:17 | <hadees> | anyone in here can help me with Xv, i have an nvidia card, is there any reason why Xv wouldn't also be compiled when i compiled Xfree? |
| 19:17 | <hadees> | do i need to enable Xv somewhere? |
| 19:17 | <hadees> | or use XvMC instead since it is a Nvidia card |
| 19:18 | <servo> | ill try the CVS instead of the damn tarball... grrr |
| 19:19 | <sfr> | servo: i don't think that will help. |
| 19:19 | <servo> | im completly lost on what's going wrong... What would cause a segmentation fault? |
| 19:21 | <sfr> | <thor_> servo, flaky hardware running hot |
| 19:21 | <sfr> | <kvandivo> ie., not a myth error. something lower level |
| 19:22 | <servo> | flaky hardware running hot? so it's something harddware related? |
| 19:24 | <pahli_bar> | servo: try compiling a stable kernel. if it segfaults there, then you know for sure |
| 19:25 | <servo> | im running a stable kernel |
| 19:25 | <servo> | 2.4.22 I believe |
| 19:25 | <hadees> | so anyone know stuff about Xv? |
| 19:25 | <pahli_bar> | servo: just for testing. download 2.4.2X and compile it (need not install) |
| 19:26 | <servo> | ill try it if the cvs doesn't work |
| 19:26 | <servo> | because I don't think it's hardware releated; if it was I would be getting it more often |
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| 19:28 | <pahli_bar> | servo: wrong way to approach the problem! thousands of people have compiled the released 0.13 src without any problems |
| 19:28 | <pahli_bar> | servo: if you feel like wasting time... upto you |
| 19:29 | <pahli_bar> | cvs has the birthright to be broken |
| 19:29 | <thor_> | servo, just try another make ... I'll take long odds that it will work, or that the fault will happen on some other (completely random) line |
| 19:29 | <servo> | ok |
| 19:31 | <servo> | hmm; it seems to be making from the .13 now... |
| 19:31 | <servo> | hopefully no other segmentation faults will occur =-9 |
| 19:31 | <pahli_bar> | servo: there you go. definite indication of hardware problem |
| 19:31 | <servo> | I hope it's nothing major |
| 19:32 | <servo> | I don't have any money for my pc until the start of summer |
| 19:32 | <thor_> | naw, your CPU is just giving up because it's thermometer said, "it's too hot in here" |
| 19:32 | <pahli_bar> | servo: most likely problems: bad memory/cpu overheating |
| 19:32 | <schwin97> | hey everyone.. question: within mythtv setup - is the mixer device the recording device? |
| 19:33 | <servo> | cpu over heating would be nice :-) would give me a reason to buy a new headsink |
| 19:33 | <servo> | memory would not be a big problem... pc-133 dirt cheap :-) |
| 19:33 | <schwin97> | curious about setting up a dual soundcard setup - one to record and one to playback |
| 19:33 | <pahli_bar> | and if you bought them retail, there is warranty too |
| 19:34 | <servo> | they are out of warranty prolly |
| 19:34 | <servo> | i'll see if I can find a memory tester; and run an indepth test on it |
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| 19:35 | <pahli_bar> | three things i always buy retail: cpu/memory/harddrive. good to have long warranties on the most failure-prone devices |
| 19:35 | <pahli_bar> | umm.. the motherboard too |
| 19:35 | <thor_> | cars |
| 19:35 | <thor_> | :-) |
| 19:35 | <pahli_bar> | heh |
| 19:35 | <servo> | harddrive retail is a good idea. But I have a 1.333Ghz amd; replacing it wouldn't be to much. Plus it's been running for a long time heh. |
| 19:36 | <servo> | I got a p3 450 in the basement. Which has out lived every processor I've got! |
| 19:36 | <cmorgan> | Chutt: you here? i'm looking at the nupplevideorecorder patch for error handling now. you'd like the same done for the mpegdecoder? |
| 19:37 | <servo> | if mythtv can really run on a network (as it claims) I may build a multi-media pc with dual amd's and plenty of storage. And create a tivo for the entire house ;-) |
| 19:38 | <servo> | *evil laugh* and then the WORLD! |
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| 19:40 | <sfr> | start saving money today |
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| 19:44 | <Chutt> | cmorgan, yup |
| 19:45 | <cmorgan> | Chutt: alright. i'll see about whipping a patch up to do something similar and also check for 0 values of the bitrate |
| 19:45 | <Chutt> | great |
| 19:47 | <thor_> | Chutt, valgrind is telling me that Qt mysql stuff is leaking memory ... new QTStrings that never get deleted, that make any sense to you ? |
| 19:47 | <Chutt> | dunno |
| 19:47 | <pahli_bar> | thor_: valgrind complaints about qimage/jpeg routines too |
| 19:47 | <Chutt> | could just be static one time allocations |
| 19:48 | <Chutt> | if it's not too much memory, don't worry 'bout it |
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