| --- | Log | opened Tue Jan 13 00:00:38 2004 |
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| 00:22 | <Chutt> | pahli_bar, very nice work on the opengl stuff |
| 00:22 | <thor_> | yup |
| 00:24 | <Desiac> | im tring to install the deb packages, having problems with db permissions, what password does mythtv use to access the db, or where can i set its password |
| 00:24 | <Netslayer> | opengl? what are u doing that requires opengl heh |
| 00:24 | <Netslayer> | you can set it at /usr/local/share/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| 00:24 | <hardkrash> | hey folks |
| 00:24 | <Netslayer> | search for the file first, deb's are prob in a diff dir |
| 00:24 | <Desiac> | thanks mate :) |
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| 00:25 | <hardkrash> | i just set up a system and the video is static and green |
| 00:25 | <hardkrash> | as far as i can tell that means that it is in pal mod still |
| 00:25 | <hardkrash> | s/mod/mode/ |
| 00:25 | <thor_> | or you're watching a really crappy channel |
| 00:26 | <Netslayer> | u try xawtv? if that works then it's not mythtv |
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| 00:26 | <Chutt> | hardkrash, 2nd thing on the main page of the website |
| 00:27 | <hardkrash> | i performed the database maipultaion |
| 00:28 | <hardkrash> | xawtv has a blue screen |
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| 00:41 | <Netslayer> | hey the dvdrip feature, how do i start it, i'm in the menu? |
| 00:41 | <Netslayer> | i have all the stuff set, but how do i actually get it to start processing? |
| 00:45 | <DJ_rican> | have you started mtd? |
| 00:45 | DJ_rican | is now known as DJ_Rican |
| 00:46 | <Netslayer> | ya i think so |
| 00:46 | <Netslayer> | it shows me the settings |
| 00:46 | <DJ_Rican> | Netslayer: press '0' |
| 00:46 | <Netslayer> | i can select things, etc, but it always says 0 process selected titles |
| 00:46 | <Netslayer> | and i go back and it says nothing to do |
| 00:46 | <DJ_Rican> | yeah... you have to start mtd |
| 00:46 | <Netslayer> | nm |
| 00:46 | <Netslayer> | heh |
| 00:46 | <DJ_Rican> | open a terminal and type 'mtd' leave it running |
| 00:47 | <Netslayer> | it's going! |
| 00:47 | <DJ_Rican> | :) |
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| 00:53 | <Netslayer> | it keeps exiting after ripping but before transcoding |
| 00:55 | <DJ_Rican> | Netslayer: not enough HD space... |
| 00:55 | <DJ_Rican> | ohh... wait... transcoding to what? |
| 00:57 | <DJ_Rican> | it would always quit on me because of not enough hd space... check the backend log... |
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| 01:01 | <newtroot> | anyone know the status of mythtv using qt embedded? |
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| 01:07 | <Netslayer> | i'll do that |
| 01:08 | <Netslayer> | 22:07:50: job thread finished ripping dvd title |
| 01:08 | <Netslayer> | 22:07:50: Error: Could not start transcode |
| 01:08 | <thor_> | transcode installed? |
| 01:09 | <Netslayer> | u mean when compiled, everything was yes |
| 01:09 | <Netslayer> | wait, that's odd /mnt/raid/pvr/movies// |
| 01:09 | <thor_> | read the README |
| 01:09 | <Netslayer> | it's a path prob probably |
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| 01:18 | % | ServerMode/#mythtv: +bbb fulmust!*@* *!*BigJim@*.paralynx.net *!*dmitry@*.bchsia.telus.net by weber.freenode.net |
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| 01:19 | % | ServerMode/#mythtv: +bbb *!*BigJim@*.paralynx.net *!*dmitry@*.bchsia.telus.net fulmust!*@* by tolkien.freenode.net |
| 01:20 | <billytwowilly> | That's interesting.. any idea what's happening with all this banning? |
| 01:20 | <mikegrb> | netsplits |
| 01:21 | <billytwowilly> | but why the ban? and it's a weird ban I've never seen before.. looks like it's from the server.. |
| 01:21 | <mikegrb> | right |
| 01:21 | <mikegrb> | when the servers reconnect they re-apply any bans |
| 01:22 | <Netslayer> | just got a message stating a major us hub went down |
| 01:22 | <billytwowilly> | I got that too. |
| 01:23 | <billytwowilly> | so when blahblah.freenode.net reconnects it automagically applies all the bans it has set for a certain channel? That's interesting. I didn't know. |
| 01:23 | <mikegrb> | right |
| 01:23 | <mikegrb> | just in case they changed on either side of the link |
| 01:23 | <mikegrb> | to make sure everyone is on the same page |
| 01:24 | <billytwowilly> | so if I get banned and then a server disconnects and I get unbanned and then that server reconnects it would re-ban me? |
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| 01:24 | <Berto> | my computer is too slow to watch live tv on mythtv :-( |
| 01:24 | <Berto> | think it'll work if i use it to record tv shows though? hmmm maybe i can set lower quality settings if i want live |
| 01:25 | <mikegrb> | billytwowilly: heh well yes perhaps |
| 01:25 | <mikegrb> | billytwowilly: /normally/ splits don't last long |
| 01:25 | <Netslayer> | Berto, all depends but usually ya, playback uses 15-20% cpu |
| 01:26 | <Berto> | Netslayer: i have an athlon 550 with 384mb ram |
| 01:26 | <billytwowilly> | that's interesting to me. I thought (with no technical knowledge of any of it) that the reconnecting server would take the main server's word for it. |
| 01:26 | <Netslayer> | u could always use mjpeg |
| 01:26 | <Berto> | Netslayer: i don't mind not watching live tv ( i know its compressing while i do that ) -- i can use xawtv |
| 01:26 | <Netslayer> | that's a lot less intensive |
| 01:26 | <billytwowilly> | or get a pvr-250. |
| 01:26 | <Berto> | Netslayer: yeah i'm not that intense about tv though! haha |
| 01:26 | <Berto> | Netslayer: think i can at least record shows iwht my setup? |
| 01:27 | <mikegrb> | billytwowilly: well how do the servers know which is the main and which isn't ;) |
| 01:27 | <Netslayer> | um probably at some quality ya |
| 01:27 | <Berto> | i also didn't have GLX working. Maybe that will help playback once i get NVidia drivers working right |
| 01:27 | <Netslayer> | try 480x480 mpeg4, then go down to 352x240 |
| 01:27 | <Berto> | fair enough! I'll play tomorrow now that the quality is actually looking good |
| 01:27 | <Berto> | yep... or mjpeg eh? |
| 01:27 | <mikegrb> | billytwowilly: and what happens when the servers on each end are equal level, at any rate we are offtopic ;) |
| 01:27 | <Netslayer> | ya xv helps a lot in playback |
| 01:28 | <Netslayer> | mjpeg is an idea, change the codec at the top and see if it works |
| 01:28 | <Berto> | sweet... moving to 2.6.0 really helped with bttv though |
| 01:28 | <billytwowilly> | yah, sorry for being off topic, it's just that this is the only channel that I saw that happening in. |
| 01:28 | <Netslayer> | really in what way? |
| 01:28 | <Berto> | Netslayer: thanks for the motivation |
| 01:28 | <Netslayer> | np |
| 01:28 | <Berto> | Netslayer: i don't know... things looked fine in xawtv -- but when i went to live playback, it looked TERRIBLE... like the tuning was a touch off |
| 01:28 | <Berto> | Netslayer: looks better now, minus the choppiness on playback |
| 01:29 | <Netslayer> | interesting |
| 01:29 | <Netslayer> | anyone know if there is a gentoo emerge for liba52 |
| 01:29 | <Berto> | Netslayer: yeah no one before had any idea... its cool now though... although not 100% happy with 2.6.0 |
| 01:29 | <Netslayer> | ah my setup works with 2.4.23, i'm happy..took me two weeks i'm happy it's over |
| 01:29 | <Netslayer> | have a network here of myth boxes |
| 01:31 | <Berto> | why a network of em, Netslayer ? |
| 01:32 | <Netslayer> | anyone have any idea about my post about SPDIF stop working :http://www.gossamer-threads.com/archive/MythTV_C2/Users_F11/SPDIF_audio_stopped_working_P100904/ |
| 01:32 | <Netslayer> | well i have two setup boxes that do recording cause they are at different locations |
| 01:32 | <Netslayer> | and have a couple frontends that connect |
| 01:33 | <Berto> | cool |
| 01:38 | <Netslayer> | it is when it works |
| 01:40 | <Netslayer> | gosh my webhost isn't back up yet, it's been 36hrs already since they got hacked..still nothing nice not to know what's going on with your site |
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| 02:11 | <Chutt> | tmk, yo |
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| 02:19 | <tmk> | sup |
| 02:19 | <tmk> | david come out with a new patch yet? |
| 02:19 | <tmk> | he seems happy with current ivtv |
| 02:20 | <Chutt> | nothing newer than before this past weekend |
| 02:20 | <Chutt> | he's ready to commit it to cvs |
| 02:20 | <Chutt> | just waiting on you :p |
| 02:20 | <tmk> | cool |
| 02:20 | <tmk> | i'm fixing up 0.1.8 now |
| 02:20 | <tmk> | i guess i'll make it 0.1.9 for you.. |
| 02:20 | <tmk> | since you wanted to do a version check |
| 02:21 | <Chutt> | yeah, that's why he asked for taht |
| 02:21 | <Chutt> | that |
| 02:36 | <tmk> | just about done |
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| 02:36 | <tmk> | i'm going to release a 0.1.8rc1 |
| 02:36 | <tmk> | and if people like it |
| 02:36 | <tmk> | it'll be 0.1.9 |
| 02:41 | <Chutt> | bah |
| 02:41 | <Chutt> | you just want to delay the mythtv commit |
| 02:42 | <tmk> | ack! you're on to me |
| 02:42 | <tmk> | :P |
| 02:42 | <tmk> | if i'm changing the version #, i want it to work |
| 02:43 | <Chutt> | you're changing micro versions |
| 02:43 | <Chutt> | bfd :p |
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| 02:43 | <Chutt> | 8rc1 isn't a nice number to compare versions against |
| 02:44 | <tmk> | when i release the real one |
| 02:44 | <tmk> | it'll be 0.1.9 |
| 02:44 | <tmk> | and there's no way to check for the sub-# that i know of (ie rc1) |
| 02:45 | <thor_> | three ints and be done with it |
| 02:45 | <Chutt> | i just don't belive in prereleases :p |
| 02:46 | <tmk> | ok i'm not releasing it |
| 02:46 | <tmk> | i'm putting it as CVS-latest |
| 02:46 | <Chutt> | if i go to the trouble of putting out a release, that's what it is |
| 02:46 | <tmk> | happy now? |
| 02:46 | <Chutt> | heh, do whatever you want :p |
| 02:46 | <tmk> | bah |
| 02:46 | <tmk> | ! |
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| 02:46 | <tmk> | i fixed the timestamp thing |
| 02:46 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 02:46 | <tmk> | hopefully for good |
| 02:46 | <tmk> | that was buggin' |
| 02:47 | <Chutt> | i'll just be very happy once david's patch is in cvs |
| 02:47 | <tmk> | yeah i wrote my own version for testing |
| 02:47 | <tmk> | it's quite slick |
| 02:47 | <tmk> | very fast |
| 02:47 | <tmk> | i still want an index-only hook for mythcommflag though |
| 02:47 | <tmk> | hint hint |
| 02:47 | <Chutt> | ask captain_murdoch when he's back around |
| 02:47 | <Chutt> | that's his code |
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| 02:48 | <tmk> | k |
| 02:48 | <tmk> | but while you're here |
| 02:48 | <tmk> | i'll ask you |
| 02:48 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 02:48 | <Chutt> | problem is, all i've had time for lately is to apply other people's patches |
| 02:48 | <tmk> | yeah i need to stop reading my mailing-list |
| 02:48 | <tmk> | it's taking up all my time |
| 02:49 | <Chutt> | i can start forwarding all the ivtv complaints on mythtv-users to you =) |
| 02:49 | <tmk> | woo |
| 02:49 | <Chutt> | every now and then i say 'this isn't the right list for ivtv problems' |
| 02:49 | <tmk> | i'll just tell them to get the latest ivtv |
| 02:49 | <Chutt> | but no one pays any attention to that |
| 02:49 | <HenkPoley> | lol |
| 02:49 | <tmk> | you need a lackey to do that |
| 02:50 | <tmk> | point people at the faq and such |
| 02:50 | <Chutt> | i should just script it |
| 02:50 | <tmk> | heh |
| 02:50 | <Chutt> | how many people are on ivtv-dev? |
| 02:50 | <tmk> | dunno |
| 02:50 | <tmk> | too many |
| 02:50 | <Chutt> | do you have admin access to mailman? =) |
| 02:50 | <tmk> | the ratio of users to wishlist purchase is small |
| 02:50 | <tmk> | not really |
| 02:50 | <tmk> | i lost thet password |
| 02:51 | <tmk> | i need to find it again |
| 02:51 | <Chutt> | heh |
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| 02:51 | <Chutt> | i was just curious |
| 02:51 | <tmk> | i'm right around the top 200 on sf.net though |
| 02:51 | <tmk> | surprisingly |
| 02:51 | <Chutt> | snow-man's been complaining about the amount of mailing list traffic going through our colo box =) |
| 02:51 | <tmk> | hehe |
| 02:52 | <tmk> | bandwith can get expensive |
| 02:52 | <HenkPoley> | 350 mails per day to x 100 people, pff... |
| 02:52 | <tmk> | we're always working on lower rates from our providers at work |
| 02:52 | <tmk> | problem is there are only so manyy |
| 02:52 | <Chutt> | tmk, $100/1000GB/month is what we pay |
| 02:52 | <tmk> | and DTAG is crappy |
| 02:52 | <tmk> | that's expensive |
| 02:53 | <tmk> | err |
| 02:53 | <tmk> | wait |
| 02:53 | <Chutt> | not for a personal website :p |
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| 02:53 | <tmk> | is that a gb total traffic |
| 02:53 | <tmk> | or per sec |
| 02:53 | <Chutt> | for the month, yeah |
| 02:53 | <tmk> | oh ok |
| 02:53 | <tmk> | heh, i'm used to $/meg a second |
| 02:54 | <tmk> | how much do you push on avg? |
| 02:54 | <Chutt> | depends |
| 02:54 | <tmk> | do you have graphs? |
| 02:55 | <Chutt> | past month's been 390kb/s out, 60 in |
| 02:55 | <tmk> | oh |
| 02:55 | <tmk> | heh |
| 02:55 | <tmk> | that's not that much |
| 02:55 | <Chutt> | naw |
| 02:55 | <Chutt> | it's not |
| 02:55 | <tmk> | i had a 416k sdsl before |
| 02:56 | <tmk> | that could have served |
| 02:56 | <tmk> | :) |
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| 02:56 | <tmk> | i guess that was $150/mo thouh |
| 02:56 | <Chutt> | not for when i get linked to from /. |
| 02:56 | <tmk> | hehe yeah |
| 02:57 | <tmk> | pvr stuff seems to be on there pretty frequently |
| 02:57 | <tmk> | i've found ivtv mentioned a lot in the comments |
| 02:57 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 02:57 | <tmk> | kind of scary that my poor code has that kind of audienc |
| 02:57 | <tmk> | e |
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| 03:24 | <tmk> | chutt you still up? |
| 03:27 | <Chutt> | for another couple minutes |
| 03:29 | <tmk> | wondering if you saw the hardware rewind thread |
| 03:30 | <tmk> | and if so, had interest |
| 03:30 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 03:31 | <tmk> | smooth ff/rew would be nice... |
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| 03:35 | <mechou> | OK, is it me or is mythgallery from cvs all screw up? seg faults, no key bings documented, generally unusable? |
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| 03:36 | <Chutt> | works fine here. |
| 03:36 | <Chutt> | perhaps you should get a backtrace? |
| 03:37 | <thor_> | it's new, and very spiffy |
| 03:37 | <mechou> | Chutt, really? I would if I can figure out how to navigate in in it :)..... |
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| 03:37 | <tmk> | chutt: any news on the remote back/frontend crashes i sent in? |
| 03:37 | <tmk> | aka: is it worth spending a month recompiling? |
| 03:37 | <mechou> | like how to exit "mythgallery" mode..... |
| 03:38 | tattrdkat | is now known as virsys |
| 03:39 | <mechou> | and how to get to the four uppper left corner "modes" in mythgallery..... |
| 03:40 | <thor_> | m |
| 03:40 | <mechou> | Chutt, try pressing "P" twice while in mythgallery. |
| 03:40 | <Chutt> | mechou, err, hit the menu key to go to the menu |
| 03:40 | <Chutt> | just like everywhere else in mythtv |
| 03:40 | <mechou> | thor_: are the keybindings documented somewhere? |
| 03:41 | <Chutt> | what's wrong with hitting p twice? |
| 03:41 | <Chutt> | works fine |
| 03:41 | <mechou> | weird, segfaults for me. I'll do a backtrace..... |
| 03:41 | <Chutt> | like i said originally? |
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| 03:42 | <mechou> | Chutt: :) |
| 03:53 | <mechou> | Chutt, for mythgallery backtrace, can I just get by with enabling debug in mythgallery only, or do I have to enable debug in mythtv as well? |
| 03:54 | <thor_> | you can get just through mythgallery (aside from the very unlikely case that mythgallery is exposing a bug in libmyth) |
| 03:54 | <mechou> | thor_: yeah, I'll just do mythgallery first..... |
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| 04:06 | <mechou> | is it ok to paste about 10 lines of backtrace here? |
| 04:06 | <mechou> | Chutt, is it ok to paste about 10 lines of backtrace here? |
| 04:07 | <thor_> | only person who's likely to undestand it is pahli_bar, but go ahead |
| 04:07 | <mechou> | ok, here goes..... |
| 04:07 | <mechou> | [New Thread 16386 (LWP 12306)][New Thread 16386 (LWP 12306)] |
| 04:07 | <mechou> | The impossible happened |
| 04:07 | <mechou> | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 04:07 | <mechou> | [Switching to Thread 16384 (LWP 12304)][Switching to Thread 16384 (LWP 12304)] |
| 04:07 | <mechou> | 0x41c24127 in IconView::keyPressEvent(QKeyEvent*) (this=0xbfffe8f0, |
| 04:07 | <mechou> | e=0xbfffe4c0) at iconview.cpp:279 |
| 04:07 | <mechou> | 279 if (item->isDir) { |
| 04:07 | <mechou> | Current language: auto; currently c++ |
| 04:07 | <mechou> | (gdb) thread apply all bt full |
| 04:07 | <mechou> | Thread 2 (Thread 32769 (LWP 12305)): |
| 04:07 | <mechou> | #0 0x4121a547 in poll () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6 |
| 04:07 | <mechou> | No symbol table info available. |
| 04:07 | <mechou> | #1 0x4101c96e in __pthread_manager () from /lib/i686/libpthread.so.0 |
| 04:07 | <mechou> | No symbol table info available. |
| 04:08 | <mechou> | #2 0x4101cbbb in __pthread_manager_event () from /lib/i686/libpthread.so.0 |
| 04:08 | <mechou> | No symbol table info available. |
| 04:08 | <mechou> | Thread 1 (Thread 16384 (LWP 12304)): |
| 04:08 | <mechou> | #0 0x41c24127 in IconView::keyPressEvent(QKeyEvent*) (this=0xbfffe8f0, |
| 04:08 | <mechou> | e=0xbfffe4c0) at iconview.cpp:279 |
| 04:08 | <mechou> | pos = 0 |
| 04:08 | <mechou> | item = (ThumbItem *) 0x0 |
| 04:08 | <mechou> | action = {static null = { |
| 04:08 | <mechou> | static null = <same as static member of an already seen type>, |
| 04:08 | <mechou> | d = 0x8185f60, static shared_null = 0x8185f60}, d = 0x8241d80, |
| 04:08 | <mechou> | static shared_null = 0x8185f60} |
| 04:08 | <mechou> | i = 0 |
| 04:08 | <mechou> | handled = false |
| 04:08 | <mechou> | menuHandled = false |
| 04:08 | <mechou> | actions = {<QValueList<QString>> = {sh = 0x827de90}, <No data fields>} |
| 04:08 | <mechou> | #1 0x40c38765 in QWidget::event(QEvent*) () |
| 04:08 | <mechou> | from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 |
| 04:08 | <mechou> | ok, that was a bit more than 10 lines..... |
| 04:09 | <thor_> | soemthing is unhappy at line 279 of iconview, but .... you should post this on -dev so pahli_bar can see it |
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| 04:10 | <mechou> | thor_, would you mind posting it? I am no longer subscribed to the dev list...... |
| 04:12 | <thor_> | send me the whole bt to mythtv@lamedomainname.com and I'll send it along |
| 04:12 | <mechou> | ok, thanks thor_..... |
| 04:14 | <thor_> | yup |
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| 04:24 | <Chutt> | mechou, you _do_ realize that you're not using the latest cvs of mythgallery, and that that crash was fixed almost 8 hours ago, right? |
| 04:26 | <mechou> | Chutt, ok, wasn't aware of that. my cvs was from last night..... |
| 04:27 | <Chutt> | if you're using cvs, you should be on the commits list. |
| 04:27 | <Chutt> | and you would've seen that a bunch of stuff changed in mythgallery today |
| 04:27 | <mechou> | ok, I'll make sure I get on the commits list..... |
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| 04:39 | <mechou> | heh, much better :) |
| 04:44 | <mechou> | thanks all for the help. |
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| 05:31 | * | StuartL laughs lots. |
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| 09:19 | <mythsy> | kvandivo: what was the website you mentioned a few days back which used to archive #mythtv |
| 09:20 | <mythsy> | or if anybody else knows |
| 09:26 | <kvandivo> | http://thegrebs.com and follow the links |
| 09:27 | <mythsy> | thanks |
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| 10:43 | <pahli_bar> | heya. good morning everyone |
| 10:53 | <pahli_bar> | bbiab |
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| 10:57 | <kvandivo> | hello and goodbye to you too |
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| 11:01 | <StuartL> | Ah. |
| 11:01 | <StuartL> | You're going to stay? |
| 11:01 | <StuartL> | :) |
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| 13:46 | <_rkulagow> | chutt: docs sync please. |
| 13:48 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 13:48 | <Chutt> | hey |
| 13:48 | <Chutt> | you know what the requirements are for ordering from dell's small business section? |
| 13:49 | <steelep> | nothing, order it in the name of a business, thats all |
| 13:49 | <Chutt> | my wife's laptop broke, so i get to buy a new one =) |
| 13:49 | <steelep> | get a refurb |
| 13:49 | <Chutt> | naw |
| 13:50 | <thor_> | ... that french translation for mythmusic is a bit odd, no? |
| 13:50 | <steelep> | they are almost half the price with the EXACT same warranty |
| 13:51 | <thor_> | also, I'm trying to walk through Max Power's mythvideo patch ... am I going to screw up the native player work by commiting it (if I get to that point) ? |
| 13:51 | <Chutt> | don't want a refurb :p |
| 13:51 | <Chutt> | thor, it was just a couple lines of code in mythvideo |
| 13:51 | <steelep> | tbh, it's just a waste of money not to get one |
| 13:52 | <tmk> | Chutt: start working on the version check code :) |
| 13:52 | <thor_> | k, cool (haven't been paying attention) |
| 13:52 | <tmk> | i think i'm going to release tonight |
| 13:52 | <steelep> | we have bought both for years and recently change to exclusively getting refurbs (we get about 25 a year) |
| 13:52 | <steelep> | we have had more trouble with the new ones than the refurbs |
| 13:53 | <Chutt> | tmk, great |
| 13:53 | <tmk> | if you want to make any api changes, speak now :) |
| 13:53 | <steelep> | who wrote mythweb? |
| 13:53 | <thor_> | Chris |
| 13:53 | <steelep> | I need to ask him/her a q. |
| 13:54 | <Chutt> | he doesn't come on here |
| 13:54 | <thor_> | Chris Petersen (mythweb at forevermore.net) |
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| 13:54 | <steelep> | I need a horizontal scrollbar, unless for some reason it's off the screen and I don't see it, and also an integration of it with mythnes... |
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| 13:54 | <steelep> | ty thor |
| 13:55 | <steelep> | nes-->news |
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| 14:06 | <_rkulagow> | chutt: when i ordered from dell SBC, i just used my name as the business name. they only really care for tax purposes. |
| 14:06 | <pahli_bar> | mythnews on mythwebm, eh. that will be nice |
| 14:06 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 14:07 | <_rkulagow> | but now that i'm an official illinois corporation i can use that too. you won't believe how many credit card processors have called me after my public notice appeared in the paper. |
| 14:08 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:08 | <Chutt> | docs synced, btw =) |
| 14:08 | <_rkulagow> | thanks |
| 14:09 | <sams2100> | is version .14 going to use the new mfd? |
| 14:09 | <_rkulagow> | alos, i double checked on that thing we talked about. if a slave backend with encoding jobs running on it is stopped, the master does see it go away. but when the slave comes back the jobs aren't re-scheduled and weird things happen. |
| 14:09 | <kvandivo> | i've order a bunch of stuff from small biz as well.. never had a problem from them |
| 14:10 | <kvandivo> | i think they've got their $699 laptop right now.. |
| 14:10 | <_rkulagow> | ie, hitting "d" in watch recordings doesn't seem to free up the encoders, and scheduling stuff that's in the current time period then tried to put the |
| 14:10 | <_rkulagow> | jobs |
| 14:10 | <_rkulagow> | on the encoders on the master (and |
| 14:10 | <_rkulagow> | gicv |
| 14:11 | <_rkulagow> | baby is helping me type |
| 14:11 | <_rkulagow> | and gives a "tried to schedule |
| 14:11 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, yeah, i don't think the master realizes that the recordings were interrupted |
| 14:11 | <_rkulagow> | but current is 4" type of error. |
| 14:12 | <_rkulagow> | bbl. bab-y time. |
| 14:12 | <thor_> | ahhh ooohhhh |
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| 14:18 | <thor_> | Chutt, I'm going to leave the translation thing to you, as a few minutes of messing with it proves I have no idea how this .ts stuff works |
| 14:18 | <Chutt> | heh, ok |
| 14:18 | <Chutt> | i'll get it merged in |
| 14:18 | <thor_> | k |
| 14:22 | * | pahli_bar starts banging his head against the desk (opengl frustrations) |
| 14:22 | <mdz> | any of you folks use the dct2000 stuff in contrib? |
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| 14:27 | <Chutt> | not i |
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| 14:28 | <thor_> | heh, I don't even have cable |
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| 14:32 | * | mdz comforts thor_ |
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| 14:42 | * | DJ_Rican is frustrated with this lirc thing... :( |
| 14:58 | <DJ_Rican> | when i try to uninstall lirc, it wants to uninstall dependancies... that's almost all of the mythtv modules...?? what gives... |
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| 15:43 | <Netslayer> | does amixer read from /etc/asound.state? |
| 15:43 | <Netslayer> | so if i modify that file, amixer should change right |
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| 15:48 | <FooBar01> | Could someone point me to some nice instructions for getting the mysql database setup properly for Debian? I seem to be having problems |
| 15:49 | <Netslayer> | dang ogle stopped pcm audio through spdif on me, have to restore it..any ideas? have a working computer with the same files |
| 15:49 | <thor_> | rrmod, modprobe |
| 15:49 | <FooBar01> | The mythconverg database is there, but the mythtv-database package is getting access denied |
| 15:50 | <Netslayer> | thor, u mean do that to alsa? |
| 15:50 | <thor_> | yup |
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| 15:50 | <thor_> | FooBar01, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.4 |
| 15:50 | <nchip> | FooBar01: I installed the .debs and it worked fine |
| 15:51 | <GreyFoxx> | FooBar01: out of curiousity, did you create the mysql database and user with a username and password other than mythtv/mythtv ? |
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| 15:52 | <FooBar01> | GreyFoxx: While logged in as the user 'mythtv', I did 'mysql -u root < /usr/share/mythtv/sql/mc.sql' |
| 15:53 | <FooBar01> | should the mythtv user have the password 'mythtv'? |
| 15:53 | <GreyFoxx> | by default it does |
| 15:53 | <sfr__> | FooBar01: afaik the debian packages do everything by themselves. you just have to answer the debconf questions properly |
| 15:54 | <FooBar01> | sfr__: I might have answered one of the questions wrong. |
| 15:54 | <FooBar01> | sfr__: Or changed something that I shouldn't have, and messed it up. |
| 15:55 | <FooBar01> | this is what I'm getting: |
| 15:55 | <GreyFoxx> | FooBar01: try doing a mysqladmin reload |
| 15:55 | <FooBar01> | Setting up mythtv-database (0.13-4) ... |
| 15:55 | <FooBar01> | Failed to connect to database: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: YES) at -e line 5, <> line 1. |
| 15:55 | <FooBar01> | Failed to create database (incorrect admin username/password?) |
| 15:55 | <GreyFoxx> | the mc.sql creates the db and the user entry, but the user entry wont be in effect until mysql is reloaded |
| 15:56 | <FooBar01> | GreyFoxx: Oh...I didn't know that |
| 15:56 | <sfr__> | FooBar01: you entered the systems root password instead of the mysql administrator password in the debconf question i guess. |
| 15:57 | <FooBar01> | sfr__: Yup. |
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| 15:57 | <FooBar01> | sfr__: But now when I just enter nothing, it still won't work. |
| 15:58 | <Netslayer> | stupid ogle |
| 15:58 | <sfr__> | FooBar01: you have to enter the correct mysql root password for it to work. |
| 15:59 | <Netslayer> | gave it this command in it's config to use spdif, now nothing gets it back for regular PCM: <name>iec958:AES0=0x2,AES1=0x82,AES2=0x0,AES3=0x2</name> |
| 15:59 | <Netslayer> | someone recommended running: amixer -q cset numid=34 off |
| 16:00 | <Netslayer> | and this: amixer -q cset numid=171 04820002 but I receive this: amixer: Control default cinfo error: No such file or directory |
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| 16:04 | <MythMicha> | Moanin' all.. How goes the Myth World?? |
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| 16:06 | <nchip> | mdz: just found an open source ddmpeg implementation, and ITP'd it, so prepare to link your debs against it in future :) |
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| 16:14 | <Chutt> | the 'open source' libddmpeg is of iffy legal status. |
| 16:15 | <Chutt> | since all it is is a decompiled -> c implementation of the original. |
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| 16:17 | <mdz> | what's ddmpeg? |
| 16:18 | <Chutt> | the via epia-m decoder library |
| 16:19 | <Chutt> | you can't decompile something, translate the asm to very-asm-like c, claim copyright on it, then gpl it, though |
| 16:29 | <thor_> | so much for that plan |
| 16:30 | <nchip> | Chutt: well, the binaryonly driver comes without any copyright.. only some header files in the same package have copyright headers - which grant mofifications, distribution and sublicensing |
| 16:31 | <thor_> | (I meant my plan to release OpenWindowsXP) |
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| 16:44 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:45 | <Chutt> | nchip, nothing comes without 'any copyright' |
| 16:45 | <Chutt> | the mere act of writing something original gives you the copyright on it |
| 16:45 | <Chutt> | it doesn't have to be stated |
| 16:46 | <thor_> | just for record, I still hate semicolons |
| 16:46 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:46 | <Chutt> | that jason guy called me back |
| 16:46 | <thor_> | ah, mister "hey old friend" |
| 16:46 | <Chutt> | 'hi, this is jason from san diego' |
| 16:46 | <Chutt> | 'who?' |
| 16:47 | <thor_> | I talked to your wife ... |
| 16:47 | <kvandivo> | surely she mentioned me |
| 16:47 | <Chutt> | 'would you be interested..' 'nope' |
| 16:47 | <kvandivo> | but.. 'nope' |
| 16:47 | <kvandivo> | i.. 'nope' |
| 16:47 | <Chutt> | pretty much |
| 16:47 | <thor_> | did he clarify "interested" in what? |
| 16:47 | <Chutt> | wanted me to make a commercial version of mythtv |
| 16:48 | <thor_> | (sigh) |
| 16:48 | <thor_> | as in "add nifty extra features" but don't release them as free ? |
| 16:48 | <Chutt> | something like that |
| 16:48 | <kvandivo> | i am curious if he's ever even downloaded or installed myth... we get people contacting us all the time with elaborate plans, and then we find out they haven't used our software at all |
| 16:49 | <thor_> | bah |
| 16:49 | <Chutt> | i really didn't wait for him to explain things |
| 16:49 | <thor_> | ya bu.. |
| 16:49 | <thor_> | sip |
| 16:49 | <thor_> | zip |
| 16:49 | <thor_> | bye |
| 16:49 | <Salec> | has anyone else had the problem where in irrecord they get the error cannot open /dev/lirc? |
| 16:49 | <Chutt> | kvandivo, well, he asked what license it was under |
| 16:49 | <kvandivo> | nod |
| 16:50 | <Chutt> | 'The GPL' 'what's that?' 'err, an open source software license' |
| 16:50 | <thor_> | "how many patents?" |
| 16:50 | * | kvandivo throws back his head and cackles with insane glee. |
| 16:50 | <Chutt> | ah well |
| 16:51 | <Chutt> | seriously, though, i wouldn't think you'd call someone at their home to initiate a business discussion |
| 16:51 | <pahli_bar> | just curious. can you take a gpled software, start working on it and then release it under some other license |
| 16:51 | <thor_> | "cause god knows, ya gotta have some way to lock people in .... ya know ... barriers to entry .... just selling a hardware box that works well, that would never do" |
| 16:51 | <Chutt> | pahli_bar, if it's _your_ code, yes |
| 16:51 | <nchip> | Chutt: http://nchipin.kos.to/via-disclaimer.txt <- that is the only thing resembling a copyright notice in the via binary-only xfree/ddmpeg driver zip |
| 16:51 | <pahli_bar> | really! wow, thats news for me |
| 16:51 | <kvandivo> | you have the right to set or change the license on your own code as often as you wish |
| 16:51 | <Chutt> | you can't take someone else's work and GPL it |
| 16:51 | <Chutt> | like the libddmpeg stuff, for instance |
| 16:54 | <thor_> | excellent, the four lines in mythmusic's database box that do dynamic_cast's, those are now licensed under the MeMeMe (TM) agreement, you can send your cheques to ... |
| 16:55 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:55 | <kvandivo> | well, with myth it is a bit of a grey area.. isaac says that a person can put whatever license they want on their own files, but since it is released as a package that doesn't really fly, imho |
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| 16:56 | <Chutt> | any GPL compatible license |
| 16:56 | <Chutt> | the work as a whole is GPL |
| 16:56 | <kvandivo> | ahh.. now that i can see having some legal weight.. :) |
| 16:56 | <thor_> | :-( |
| 16:57 | <Chutt> | so, no MeMeMe(TM) license :p |
| 16:57 | <pahli_bar> | heh |
| 16:57 | <thor_> | crap |
| 16:57 | <kvandivo> | we've been dealing with all this licensing stuff here at work of late.. we are currently on a non true open source license (NIH wants it that way.. long story) |
| 16:57 | <kvandivo> | and dealing with all the intricacies of open source, gpl, etc is fun |
| 16:57 | <nchip> | I cant say Im absolutely comfortable with legality libddmpeg, but there is atleast some theory why it could be legal |
| 16:58 | <pahli_bar> | nchip: you will face some real walls with debian policies. they are really intolerant about grey-area licenses |
| 16:58 | <thor_> | nchip, you could always build hooks into loading the library at run time |
| 16:59 | <Chutt> | nchip, it can't be legal :p |
| 16:59 | <Chutt> | ivor doesn't own the copyright on the binary library |
| 16:59 | <Chutt> | he can't GPL it |
| 16:59 | <thor_> | a la decss, and leave it up to the user |
| 16:59 | <nchip> | Chutt: did you read the link I gave you? |
| 16:59 | <pahli_bar> | i love it when the kernel loads nvidia driver and spews out your kernel is tainted now |
| 16:59 | <thor_> | heh |
| 17:00 | <Chutt> | nchip, how does that apply to the binary library? |
| 17:00 | <nchip> | thats the only license statment provided to end users |
| 17:00 | <nchip> | if that doesnt apply, you cant use the binary library either |
| 17:01 | <pahli_bar> | nobody at via must have expected to have somebody reverse engineer binary drivers. |
| 17:01 | <Chutt> | _use_ is fine. redistributing is another matter |
| 17:01 | <Chutt> | there's a proper way to reverse engineer something |
| 17:01 | <Chutt> | as the ivtv drivers (mostly) were =) |
| 17:01 | <pahli_bar> | i'm sure the source files for the binary only drivers must be laden with non-free licenses |
| 17:01 | <nchip> | the proper way is to someone else reverse engineer and document and someone elso to write |
| 17:02 | <Chutt> | exactly |
| 17:02 | <Chutt> | then the person writing has clear copyright on it |
| 17:03 | <Chutt> | anyway, bbl. |
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| 17:12 | <MythMicha> | Anyone use FluxBox with their Myth Box?? |
| 17:13 | <pahli_bar> | MythMicha: lots of people are (including me) |
| 17:14 | <MythMicha> | Kewl.. Is there DOCs/FAQs on how to set up auto starting Myth on FB?? |
| 17:15 | <zyxxor> | auto-starting and the window manager being used are really unrelated |
| 17:16 | <pahli_bar> | fluxbox on FB? |
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| 17:16 | <zyxxor> | if you're not using xdm, you can simply run everything from your rc.local |
| 17:16 | <zyxxor> | X server, fluxbox, and mythfrontend, etc |
| 17:17 | <zyxxor> | if you're using xdm, you can do it in the XSetup file instead |
| 17:18 | <pahli_bar> | did you mean framebuffer or first boot? |
| 17:18 | <zyxxor> | or fluxbox? |
| 17:18 | <thor_> | or foobar |
| 17:19 | <pahli_bar> | heh. he meant fluxbox. (need to drink more coffee) |
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