| --- | Log | opened Sun Jan 11 00:00:00 2004 |
| --- | Day | changed Sun Jan 11 2004 |
| 00:00 | <Salec_> | so wait |
| 00:00 | <Salec_> | if i'm watching livetv |
| 00:00 | <Salec_> | and it comes time for a recording |
| 00:00 | <Salec_> | what will happen? |
| 00:00 | <Chutt> | it'll ask you if it can record |
| 00:00 | <Chutt> | then go and record it |
| 00:01 | <Salec_> | damn |
| 00:01 | <Salec_> | so i have to be there to say yes |
| 00:01 | <Chutt> | um |
| 00:01 | <Chutt> | no. |
| 00:01 | <DJ_Rican> | if you don't answer, it will record it |
| 00:01 | <Salec_> | ohhh |
| 00:01 | <Salec_> | good |
| 00:01 | <Chutt> | you do lose your pre-roll time, though |
| 00:01 | <Chutt> | if you do it that way |
| 00:01 | <DJ_Rican> | and change the live view to the program recording |
| 00:03 | <DJ_Rican> | chutt: in order for me to see program guide category colors, etc... I have to theme myhttv? |
| 00:03 | <Chutt> | no. |
| 00:03 | <Chutt> | unless you've turned some default settings off. |
| 00:03 | <DJ_Rican> | ok... |
| 00:05 | <mchou> | hey chutt, is commercial flagging strictly a "post-process" regardless of HW or SW encode now? I seem to recall in earlier myth versions commercial flaggin for SW encode was "in-line...." |
| 00:05 | <Chutt> | it does blank-frame detection for sw encoding while it records |
| 00:06 | <Chutt> | but it'll still run through afterwards for the scene change detection |
| 00:08 | <mchou> | oh, ok. So "Blank frames" selection implies it will do *both* blank frame and scene change detection, correct? |
| 00:08 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 00:08 | <Chutt> | ask captain_murdoch when he's around, really |
| 00:08 | <mchou> | ok.... |
| 00:08 | <mchou> | thx... |
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| 00:26 | * | DJ_Rican is :( still trying to find out how to repair program guide.... |
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| 00:27 | <monkeyBox> | anyone here got much experience w/ frambuffer on epia? |
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| 00:36 | <DJ_Rican> | do i have to delete the whole table 'program' in the database to redo my program guid? |
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| 00:50 | <eecshate> | anyone know what the svideo input is for the 350....like what number i need to pass to test_ioctl |
| 00:51 | <DJ_Rican> | i tried a few until 5 worked :) |
| 00:51 | <eecshate> | thx |
| 00:51 | <eecshate> | yeah i've done a bunch :0 |
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| 00:57 | <eecshate> | huh it was 6 for me |
| 00:57 | <eecshate> | ohh well it works |
| 00:57 | <eecshate> | nice job guys...i'm impressed with myth already |
| 00:57 | <eecshate> | (former freevo user) |
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| 00:58 | <ShockValue> | ok, maybe someone has an answer for a very strange problem. I am using mplayer for DVD and VOB playback through mythtv |
| 00:58 | <ShockValue> | when i boot using my monitor, -vo xv looks fine. when i boot with my monitor AND TV, -vo xv looks fine. but when i boot with JUST my TV hooked up, -vo xv has a bright blue line across the top of the screen when playing movies in full screen |
| 01:02 | <DJ_Rican> | fu...!!!! i just screwed up my database... can someone post the field labels of the program table? |
| 01:02 | <eecshate> | can anyone tell me what the output device handle is for the pvr350? |
| 01:03 | <ShockValue> | DJ_Rican: perhaps : mysql < mc.sql ? |
| 01:05 | <DJ_Rican> | no such file.... |
| 01:12 | <DJ_Rican> | it says can't create database... database exisst |
| 01:14 | <DJ_Rican> | ok.. what tables do i have to drop in order to recreate the program guide? i've done channels and program |
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| 01:28 | <DJ_Rican> | ack! :( ok... now i'm prolly gonna have to re-install mythtv! :( |
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| 01:30 | <DJ_scrwdmth> | QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query |
| 01:30 | <DJ_scrwdmth> | Database error was: |
| 01:30 | <DJ_scrwdmth> | Table 'mythconverg.channel' doesn't exist |
| 01:31 | <DJ_scrwdmth> | that's what i get after dropping a couple of tables as suggested by the mythuser list... :( |
| 01:36 | <monkeyBox> | damn.. I have my mythmusic frontend set up w/ a NFS mount, but when I try to play something with mythmusic, I get a "DecoderMad" error (failed to open input).. My export is exported as *(rw), and mounted w/ mount -o rw... why else would this be happening? |
| 01:36 | <monkeyBox> | I am able to play the songs w/ cmd-line utilities... |
| 01:53 | <ShockValue> | as the same user that is running myth? |
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| 02:09 | <monkeyBox> | ShockValue: yes... |
| 02:09 | <monkeyBox> | ShockValue: everything's runing as root on the frontend |
| 02:09 | <monkeyBox> | I also mounted the nfs share as *(rs,sync,no_root_sqash) and it still won't work. |
| 02:10 | <monkeyBox> | I can successfully read and write to the music directory, but mythmusic seems to have a tough time with this |
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| 02:32 | <monkeyBox> | dammit now mythfrontend segfaults when I play music :-( |
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| 02:46 | <mchou> | anyone know if you can watch dvds (say with xine) via the pvr-350 tv-out with the ivtv-fb driver ? |
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| 03:16 | <Netslayer> | anyone here use mythnotify? |
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| 04:10 | <Rroet> | moi |
| 04:10 | <Rroet> | moin' |
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| 08:46 | <HenkPoley> | Anyone here knows good documentation about Gentoo USE flags used when emerging mythtv & mythtfrontend ? |
| 08:48 | <pahli_bar> | HenkPoley: the user mailing lists will provide you good tips. search in the archives |
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| 08:51 | <MythMicha> | Guten morgen.. ;) |
| 08:51 | <HenkPoley> | Thank you pahli_bar |
| 08:51 | <HenkPoley> | Guten morgen MythMicha |
| 08:52 | <MythMicha> | I found a module that allows Myth to connect to a TIVO and play the TIVO data thru the Myth.. Has anyone played with this?? |
| 08:52 | <HenkPoley> | Ist es nicht ein bisschen spaet fuer morgen? |
| 08:52 | <sfr> | Hier schon |
| 08:52 | <HenkPoley> | MythMicha, I heard of it before |
| 08:53 | <HenkPoley> | I believe some people use it, there's some site of a guy with an Asus Pundit that tries to use it |
| 08:53 | <HenkPoley> | Google for it if you want |
| 08:54 | <StuartL> | Has anyone found a way of changing the window size of the myth configuration tool? |
| 08:54 | <StuartL> | I know you can do it for mythfrontend... |
| 08:54 | <MythMicha> | OK kewl.. yea I just got it.. Was wondering what the skinny is on it as far as how good it is.. It says it works with Myth0.11... So |
| 08:54 | <hardwired> | StuartL: i configured by moving the myth setup window around |
| 08:55 | <pahli_bar> | StuartL: hmm. i think the setup tool window is fixed to the size of your desktop. |
| 08:55 | <hardwired> | StuartL: alt-click into the window and then move it. annoying, but works |
| 08:55 | <StuartL> | Alt-click - good idea, hadn't thought of that. |
| 08:55 | <StuartL> | I was restricted to finding the title bar by guesswork :) |
| 08:55 | <StuartL> | It's all configured now but it could be a nice improvement for future releases :) |
| 08:56 | <pahli_bar> | StuartL: whats wrong with it currently? |
| 08:57 | <StuartL> | pahli_bar: The TV Out on the PVR-350 overscans the TV by a LOT. If the mythsetup util sizes itself according to the desktop size significant portions of the window are invisible. |
| 08:57 | <StuartL> | You can work around it by moving the window around but it's very awkward and requires some guesswork as to the location of the 'next' and 'back' buttons etc. |
| 08:58 | <pahli_bar> | you are talking about the x setup not the tvout. so you should fix the overscan/x11 issues first before trying to setup myth |
| 08:59 | <StuartL> | I can't sort out the overscan, the card doesn't seem to have any setting to adjust it. |
| 08:59 | <StuartL> | Is there an override I can put into X11 to work around it? |
| 09:01 | <pahli_bar> | somebody with a pvr350 should be able to answer that. i have only a pvr250 :( |
| 09:02 | <StuartL> | :) |
| 09:02 | <StuartL> | I like the card a lot. |
| 09:02 | <hardwired> | StuartL: just set it up using alt-click and be done with it |
| 09:02 | <StuartL> | The quality of the picture is astonishing. |
| 09:02 | <StuartL> | hardwired: Heh :) |
| 09:02 | <StuartL> | hardwired: I'm investigating whether the framebuffer device honours the dotclock/htimings etc in XF86Config. |
| 09:03 | <StuartL> | I'm curious if I can adjust it manually. |
| 09:03 | <pahli_bar> | StuartL: if its x11 running on framebuffer it should respect xf86config setup |
| 09:03 | <MythMicha> | StuartL Lemme know what you find.. I am having the same issues... I thought it was the ###x### setting in XF86Config |
| 09:04 | <StuartL> | MythMicha: I have a dual standard TV (NTSC and PAL), it seems to happen on both. |
| 09:05 | <StuartL> | MythMicha: Besides, the width is as much of a problem as the height and NTSC is the same width as PAL. |
| 09:08 | <MythMicha> | My issue might be centered around the fact I have a TV on the PVR350 and a monitor on my GEForce4 card |
| 09:08 | <MythMicha> | It's been a lower priority then some other issues I have been addressing... |
| 09:09 | * | StuartL nods, this is more annoying than anything else. |
| 09:09 | <StuartL> | It's driving me mad :) |
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| 09:12 | <MythMicha> | Stuart Com'on Be honest... It's not a drive.. It's more of a short walk, right? :) |
| 09:13 | <MythMicha> | It would have to be for anyone that wanted to tackle Myth :) |
| 09:13 | <MythMicha> | I know that I have been having a great time with it. :) |
| 09:15 | * | StuartL laughs |
| 09:16 | <StuartL> | I'm trying to decode the framebuffer.txt file in the kernel docs atm :) |
| 09:18 | <pahli_bar> | StuartL: you are looking in the wrong place. if i understand correct, x11 runs on ivtv framebuffer for pvr350. you should be looking at x11 configurations |
| 09:30 | <StuartL> | pahli_bar: I am :) |
| 09:30 | <StuartL> | pahli_bar: I'm using the framebuffer.txt file to understand what those timing specs in XF86Config mean for a framebuffer :) |
| 09:36 | <HenkPoley> | emerging perl LWP fails :-/ |
| 09:38 | <HenkPoley> | That's dev-perl/libwww-perl-5.69-r2 |
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| 09:41 | <hardwired> | HenkPoley: what are you doing with lwp? |
| 09:41 | <HenkPoley> | dunno |
| 09:41 | <HenkPoley> | emerging mythtv installs is |
| 09:41 | <HenkPoley> | ..t |
| 09:42 | <hardwired> | oh? ok. |
| 09:42 | <HenkPoley> | Well, it fails to emerge :-;/ |
| 09:43 | <HenkPoley> | I might try to get 0.13, but then I get all 'unstable' packages... |
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| 09:52 | <HenkPoley> | Just read the tests wants to bind to the hostname, so you need your hostname in /etc/hosts |
| 09:52 | <HenkPoley> | retrying |
| 09:52 | * | HenkPoley crossses fingers |
| 09:52 | <HenkPoley> | yay ^_^ |
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| 09:59 | <bitbyte> | hoi henk, hoe'st? |
| 09:59 | <bitbyte> | :) |
| 09:59 | <HenkPoley> | goed |
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| 10:00 | <HenkPoley> | lirc failed... |
| 10:00 | <HenkPoley> | next one.. :-/ |
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| 10:00 | <HenkPoley> | You need IR kernel modules before you can compile lirc? |
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| 10:05 | <jmblack> | Im having a problem compiling mythmusic with fftw on..."visualize.h:21:19: rfftw.h: No such file or directory" and its true rfftw.h definately does not exist, hints? |
| 10:06 | <pahli_bar> | jmblack: install fftw development package |
| 10:06 | <jmblack> | 1st thought was that it was included with fftw-devel, but that hasnt seemed to help ;( |
| 10:06 | <jmblack> | what dir needs to be in the include path? or now do I find out... |
| 10:06 | <jmblack> | err how to I find out |
| 10:06 | <pahli_bar> | jmblack: what distro |
| 10:06 | <jmblack> | fedora ;) |
| 10:07 | <pahli_bar> | jmblack: try locate rfftw.h |
| 10:07 | <jmblack> | nada, nothing returned when I type "locate rfftw.h" |
| 10:08 | <jmblack> | which is the root of the evil Im thinking :p |
| 10:08 | <pahli_bar> | jmblack: try rpm -ql fftw-devel |
| 10:09 | <jmblack> | ok, lots of files listed... browsing through them I do not see rfftw.h at all... |
| 10:10 | <jmblack> | closest thing would be /usr/share/doc/fftw-devel-3.0.1/html/rfftwnd.png |
| 10:10 | <pahli_bar> | jmblack: that is funny which version of fftw do you have |
| 10:10 | <jmblack> | its the only file with r before fftw |
| 10:10 | <pahli_bar> | ah. there's the problem you need fftw 2.1.x not 3.x |
| 10:10 | <jmblack> | its showing 3.01 |
| 10:10 | <jmblack> | err 3.0.1 |
| 10:10 | <jmblack> | should I have installed the 2.xx branch? |
| 10:11 | <jmblack> | ahh |
| 10:11 | <jmblack> | k |
| 10:17 | <jmblack> | :) its compiling now... |
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| 10:20 | <jmblack> | woot, visulizations... |
| 10:44 | <beetle110> | where can I find information on setting up transcoding? |
| 10:44 | <beetle110> | I have it (kinda) working. |
| 10:44 | <beetle110> | but it doesn't seem to be working properly. |
| 10:45 | <beetle110> | the video's that get transcoded aren't very good quality(probably a setting), and they will freeze when I watch them. I can ff past the freezing point and it plays for a little while, then freezes again. |
| 10:45 | <jmblack> | the only information Ive seen is the small blurb in the how-to that Geoff threw together |
| 10:46 | <beetle110> | in the documentation? |
| 10:46 | <jmblack> | beetle110, Geoff has steadily been improving transcoding, are you running .13 or cvs? |
| 10:46 | <jmblack> | yes, the documentation on the website |
| 10:46 | <beetle110> | jmblack. |
| 10:47 | <beetle110> | I'll update cvs. |
| 10:47 | <beetle110> | mine was checked out last monday. |
| 10:47 | <jmblack> | hrm, it seems like hes released an update just afew days ago... Im not certain that the update had made it into cvs yet though.... |
| 10:47 | <jmblack> | you may want to check the cvs commits list |
| 10:47 | <beetle110> | will do, thanks. |
| 10:48 | <jmblack> | in order to enable ALSA sound support I have to recompile mythtv correct? |
| 10:49 | <beetle110> | jmblack: I didn't |
| 10:49 | <jmblack> | does mythmusic work with ALSA support enabled? |
| 10:49 | <jmblack> | yeah, but its using OSS compatibility mode otherwise, iirc |
| 10:49 | <beetle110> | I did do that. |
| 10:50 | <HenkPoley> | Little question, how do you add someone to a group? (henk to video) |
| 10:50 | <jmblack> | if you watch mythfrontend startup it says "Opening OSS audio device '/dev/dsp'" here... and I'd like it to use ALSA instead.. though Im kinda wondering if the other modules will freak out :) |
| 10:51 | <beetle110> | HenkPoley, man groupadd |
| 10:52 | <jmblack> | HenkPoley, what distro? in fedora (redhat) you can use Red hat User manager... cute lil GUI |
| 10:52 | <beetle110> | to create the groupe |
| 10:53 | <beetle110> | then you use -G with useradd to add the user to the group. |
| 10:53 | <HenkPoley> | gentoo |
| 10:53 | <beetle110> | example useradd beetle -G video |
| 10:53 | <jmblack> | My reciever (DirectTV) takes about 2 seconds to switch to the correct channel. So all my recordings have 1 or 2 seconds at the beginning where the channel is wrong |
| 10:54 | <HenkPoley> | the group video already exists (in /dev/v4l/* ) |
| 10:54 | <jmblack> | is their a simple 'wait x seconds' before recording setting that Im missing? |
| 10:55 | <HenkPoley> | "usermod -G video henk" does the trick I think |
| 10:57 | <HenkPoley> | WTF? I can't login as root on an xconsole? |
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| 11:02 | <Henk_Poley> | needed to logout for changes (groups) to take effect |
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| 11:06 | <hardwired> | that's normal |
| 11:07 | <Henk_Poley> | Well... |
| 11:08 | <Henk_Poley> | I think there is some command ( much like env-update or source /etc/profile ) that would do this too |
| 11:09 | <Henk_Poley> | but myabe it _is_ written in rock when you are logged in |
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| 11:14 | <MythMicha> | /dev/hda3 / ext2 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 11:14 | <MythMicha> | /dev/hda1 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 11:14 | <MythMicha> | proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 |
| 11:14 | <MythMicha> | /dev/fd0 /floppy auto user,noauto 0 0 |
| 11:14 | <MythMicha> | /dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 11:14 | <MythMicha> | /dev/hda2 /boot ext2 defaults 0 2 |
| 11:14 | <MythMicha> | oops |
| 11:14 | <MythMicha> | crap... |
| 11:15 | <MythMicha> | Sorry.... I wanted to say that if you install FLUXBOX instead of KDE, you will clear up a lot of little Myth Issues :) |
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| 11:16 | <Henk_Poley> | btw, I couldn't switch to root since I 'removed' myself from the wheel group |
| 11:16 | <Henk_Poley> | whow netsplit |
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| 11:17 | <brunes_kopete> | hey all.... whats the easiest way to convery a myth recording to a divx file? |
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| 11:18 | <pahli_bar> | brunes_kopete: read the docs |
| 11:19 | <brunes_kopete> | thats in the docs now? |
| 11:19 | <brunes_kopete> | hrmm... brb |
| 11:19 | <pahli_bar> | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-21.html#ss21.1 |
| 11:20 | <brunes_kopete> | eah found it |
| 11:20 | <brunes_kopete> | thanks |
| 11:25 | <brunes_kopete> | you know what would be cool to add to mythweb? The ability to take either a file, or one of your playlists, and click "Stream" so you could stream it over shoutcast or something |
| 11:25 | <Chutt> | someone's asking for a kicking |
| 11:25 | <brunes_kopete> | oh shit the red |
| 11:25 | <brunes_kopete> | i keep forgetting about that |
| 11:29 | <MythMicha> | I thought of a kewl new feature for Myth. Or maybe it's already there... The ability to pause Live TV and save the pause as a jpg. |
| 11:30 | <pahli_bar> | MythMicha: code away |
| 11:30 | <MythMicha> | hehehehe Me?? I am still trying to figure out why my Vic-20 programs don't run... :) |
| 11:34 | <thor_> | Chutt, how goes the framing ? |
| 11:39 | <StuartL> | MythMicha: That's just screencap, though? |
| 11:39 | <StuartL> | MythMicha: Be more useful to have time-delay recording :) |
| 11:39 | <Chutt> | didn't get much done yesterday |
| 11:39 | <Chutt> | too much other crap to do |
| 11:39 | <thor_> | wood or those new metal stud thingies |
| 11:40 | <MythMicha> | StuartL yea, just a screen cap... :) |
| 11:40 | <StuartL> | MythMicha: You been watching porn again? |
| 11:40 | <StuartL> | :) |
| 11:40 | <StuartL> | Handy debug tool, actually. |
| 11:40 | <StuartL> | "Look what it looks like" |
| 11:40 | <brunes_kopete> | StuartL: Time-delay recording? what does that mean? |
| 11:41 | <MythMicha> | Porn?? Naaaw, I can't watch it unless the wife is there.. It's a rule :) |
| 11:41 | <MythMicha> | BRB |
| 11:41 | <StuartL> | brunes_kopete: I dunno if that's the real phrase, the one where you pause a live feed and it captures the live feed to disk. When you unpause it starts reading from a disk ring-buffer which it's also recording the TV to. |
| 11:41 | <StuartL> | Erm, that was an awful description. |
| 11:41 | <MythMicha> | But of course, the wife can watch Porn with her girlfriends any times she wants to.. Go figger.. hehehehehe |
| 11:41 | <StuartL> | Time-lapse. |
| 11:41 | <StuartL> | That's what it's called. |
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| 11:42 | <brunes_kopete> | StuartL: Wha? You can already do that can you not? At least,thats what happens when I hit pause.. |
| 11:42 | * | StuartL doesn't know. |
| 11:43 | * | StuartL shrugs. |
| 11:43 | <StuartL> | Haven't got that far yet :) |
| 11:43 | <StuartL> | If it works then "w00t" :) |
| 11:46 | <pahli_bar> | Chutt: should i make opengl slideshow transitions compile-time choosable? |
| 11:47 | <Chutt> | please |
| 11:47 | <jmblack> | pahli_bar, opengl is compile time choosable in mythmusic, Id imagine doing so in the photo browser would be the nice thing to do. |
| 11:47 | <pahli_bar> | okey-dokey. off to reading some shell-script based configure's |
| 11:48 | <jmblack> | mythmusic might be the place to start, sence it also deals with opengl :) |
| 11:48 | <thor_> | pahli_bar, there very simple, spit out a file with a #define line or two, then have the compile code include those files, nothing to it |
| 11:48 | <thor_> | they're |
| 11:49 | <Chutt> | they don't test for lib presense or anything =) |
| 11:49 | <thor_> | as someone _despises_ autoconf |
| 11:49 | <jmblack> | hah |
| 11:49 | <pahli_bar> | one problem with the opengl based slideshows is that they can't be mixed with the current singleview. |
| 11:49 | <pahli_bar> | they have to be in a separate window altogether |
| 11:51 | <jmblack> | one rather small improvement Id like to see in released versions.... demo pictures / music shipped with the release so people can see that it is working before they have a chance to populate those directories. |
| 11:51 | <jmblack> | it would add a little shine to an already great package :) |
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| 11:51 | <pahli_bar> | jmblack: how long does it take someone to COPY some images/music in there |
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| 11:52 | <jmblack> | of course on the music side you'd have to find an open source / free ogg or mp3 |
| 11:52 | <thor_> | pahli_bar, I was thinking about a Digital Imap Access/Transfer Protocol, and most things are easy. items (pictures) and containers (slideshow "playlists"). We would, however, need some kind of namespace or labelling methodology for transitions (and possibly accompanying audio). Just thinking out loud ... |
| 11:52 | <jmblack> | pahli_bar, its not a time issue ;) its a polish issue ;) assume people are dumb, and then less people will assume the program isnt working ;) |
| 11:53 | <pahli_bar> | jmblack: that is the problem. setting up myth is not for dumb people |
| 11:53 | <jmblack> | and that attitude will keep it that way for far too long ;( |
| 11:54 | <eecshate> | anyone know what the device for output is on my pvr250? |
| 11:54 | <eecshate> | anyone know what the device for output is on my pvr350? |
| 11:55 | <jmblack> | its in the docs iirc, I dont have a pvr350... |
| 11:55 | <Chutt> | there's a very nice howto for setting up the pvr-350 in the ivtv wiki. |
| 11:55 | <pahli_bar> | thor_: sounds like an xml kinda protocol |
| 11:56 | <jmblack> | isnt their an xmlish protocol already for digital media? some russian breed protocol.. I really wish I could remember the naem about now... |
| 11:57 | <thor_> | I dunno .... just some way for one machine to say "switch from this picture to that picture with __this__ transition" .... still plan to dig into how iPhoto does it (if iPhoto doe sin fact do it) |
| 11:57 | <pahli_bar> | thor_: i'm not sure iphoto has networking capability. |
| 11:57 | <thor_> | you can "share picutres" via Rendezvous |
| 11:57 | <thor_> | just not sure what that entails yet |
| 11:58 | <pahli_bar> | thor_: it could be something like <ss><itemlist><item>..</item>...</itemlist><music></music></ss> |
| 11:59 | <rkulagow> | chutt: have you had a chance to spend any cycles on the mysql CPU hogging issue? |
| 11:59 | <thor_> | yup, something like that .... anyway, as I say, just thinking out loud .... but while you're doing the transitions stuff, you may want to keep in mind that at some point they might need to be described over the wire |
| 12:00 | <pahli_bar> | thor_: no problem at all. i already have "named" slideshows and it should be very easy to access them by name. |
| 12:00 | <pahli_bar> | thor_: itemlist too... |
| 12:00 | <thor_> | :-) |
| 12:00 | <pahli_bar> | thor_: only thing missing is audio playback |
| 12:01 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, i'm about to commit a fix, actually |
| 12:01 | <Chutt> | just making sure it compiles |
| 12:01 | <Chutt> | audio playback will come with mfd =) |
| 12:02 | <rkulagow> | cool. i'm looking at the protocol.txt file that someone has figured out for the hauppauge MVP. at $99, it's even cheaper than an xbox... (although it'll only do mpeg-1/2, MP3 and not DivX, etc apparently) |
| 12:03 | <Chutt> | yeah, those looked interesting |
| 12:03 | <Chutt> | if i had more time for stuff, i'd get one, but =) |
| 12:07 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, try current CVS for the mysql fix |
| 12:07 | <PhracturedBlue> | Chutt, I need a way to temporarily store the keyframe map after transcoding to mpeg2 (before the backend replaces the file). I could do it with a temp file or with a new table. Any preference? |
| 12:08 | <rkulagow> | beautiful. click on MVP from the hauppauge home page -> 404 |
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| 12:08 | <Chutt> | phracturedblue, doesn't matter to me |
| 12:08 | <PhracturedBlue> | ok. that's all I wanted to know. |
| 12:09 | <rkulagow> | chutt: syncing now... |
| 12:10 | <rkulagow> | huh. changes on the cvs server? "cannot open directory /var/lib/mythcvs/mythtv/libs/libvbitext: No such file or directory" |
| 12:11 | <Chutt> | just delete that from your local dir |
| 12:11 | <Chutt> | that changed when i redid the library stuff a week or so ago |
| 12:11 | <rkulagow> | ah. i think hauppauge has someone in IRC - they just fixed their 404. :) |
| 12:11 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 12:12 | <rkulagow> | hey, hauppauge: release the protocol spec for the frontend/backend on the MVP, and give tmk a non-NDA datasheet for the PVR-250/350 and fix the firmware issues. |
| 12:12 | <rkulagow> | there. |
| 12:13 | <rkulagow> | anyone have any other requests? |
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| 12:13 | <sfr> | no way |
| 12:13 | <sfr> | :) |
| 12:14 | <thor_> | put out a mini-ITX form factor motherboard with two 350-style encoders on the board a 350-style decoder w/ TV-out on the board as well. |
| 12:15 | <jmblack> | rkulagow, afaik hauppauge does not actually produce any hardware, they usually buy chips from other manufacturers.... you may want to pose those questions to conextant :) |
| 12:15 | <rkulagow> | thor: sure. shall i tell them that you'll be purchasing in lots of 10000? |
| 12:16 | <thor_> | heh, no ... 1,000,000 minimum I would think |
| 12:16 | <rkulagow> | jmblack: well, they can certainly fill in some of the gaps on the MVP protocol since i'm pretty sure they made the software... |
| 12:16 | <Chutt> | they've said they have no intention of supporting linux on the mvp |
| 12:17 | <jmblack> | rkulagow, maybe, I would seriously doubt it though |
| 12:17 | <Chutt> | or at least, i thought i read that |
| 12:17 | <rkulagow> | maybe i can get flextronics to make some. i remember an article in wired that talked how flextronics was the manufacturer of the original versions of the xbox... |
| 12:17 | <thor_> | I think flextronics makes just about everything |
| 12:18 | <thor_> | oh, that mb should have in-built 802.11g with fully supported Linux drivers as well :-) |
| 12:19 | <thor_> | s/pdiff out the back |
| 12:19 | <rkulagow> | also, don't forget that it needs pal / secam / ntsc |
| 12:19 | <rkulagow> | ac3 |
| 12:19 | <rkulagow> | dvi |
| 12:19 | <thor_> | yup, yup |
| 12:20 | <Chutt> | all i want is a case for an epia-m that has enough room for a dvd-rom, a pvr-350, and a -250. |
| 12:20 | * | bdale notes that there's very little more frustrating than having your new HDTV rear-projection set arrive and get unboxed... two hours before you have to leave for the airport for a week of international business travel... |
| 12:20 | <rkulagow> | chutt: docs sync please. |
| 12:20 | <Chutt> | sure |
| 12:21 | <rkulagow> | thanks. |
| 12:21 | <Chutt> | done |
| 12:21 | <bdale> | while you're talking about ITX cases, anyone have a recommendation for a cheap/small box that would hold a Nehemiah board and work well as a very minimal frontend box? |
| 12:21 | <Chutt> | all the mini-itx cases i've seen suck. |
| 12:21 | <bdale> | me too |
| 12:22 | <thor_> | or are _really_ expensive (hush) |
| 12:22 | <bdale> | it's about enough to get me bending sheet metal... |
| 12:22 | <bdale> | I'd love to have 2-3 units of something that's just a nehemiah board, no need for drives of any type or glitz of any type, though a front-panel 2-line LCD display I can drive wouldn't suck |
| 12:23 | <thor_> | VFD, gotta be VFD |
| 12:23 | <rkulagow> | hrmm. without actually seeing it, it appears from the description of the buttons on the remote of the MVP that it's the silver one that comes with the PVR-250/350's. anyone know for sure? |
| 12:23 | <bdale> | I don't mind VFD, but I happen to have a big box of assorted LCD displays, so if I'm bending metal at home I'm likely to be cheap and just use them |
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| 12:26 | <rkulagow> | chutt: haven't seen a commit message for the mysql fix - laggy mailing list? |
| 12:27 | <Chutt> | apparently |
| 12:27 | <rkulagow> | ah, ok. |
| 12:28 | <PhracturedBlue> | Can someone tell me what 'MARK_GOP_BYFRAME' implies? It appears to mean that frame numbers (rather than key frame numbers) are used in recordedmarkup. yes/no? |
| 12:28 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 12:28 | <Chutt> | dvb and hdtv cards |
| 12:29 | <Chutt> | dropped packets and such mean that gops aren't going to be evenly sized |
| 12:29 | <Chutt> | so, better to go by frame number instead of by gop number for those |
| 12:29 | <PhracturedBlue> | yeah. well in my transcoded files, I don't gaurantee an even spacing of gop frames (due to pruning 'b' frames after a cut) |
| 12:30 | <Chutt> | it'd probably be a good idea to convert even pvr-250 recordings over to that |
| 12:30 | <PhracturedBlue> | however, I could leave the frames, and mark the gop 'broken' then the frames WOULD be evenly spaced. |
| 12:30 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, sendmail was hung up on some idiot running their own (misconfigured) mailserver |
| 12:30 | <Chutt> | phracturedblue, ah |
| 12:31 | <PhracturedBlue> | I guess I'll try using MARK_GOP_BYFRAME, as it is more flexible. |
| 12:33 | <rkulagow> | chutt: ok |
| 12:34 | <rkulagow> | circuit city webiste shows the MVP - it's the same silver remote as on the 250/350's. |
| 12:35 | <rkulagow> | why would someone spend $35 for a 4 year "protection plan" on a piece of computer hardware that costs $99? |
| 12:36 | <thor_> | do they offer Scotch Guard on it as well? |
| 12:37 | <pahli_bar> | rkulagow: thats their way of making money |
| 12:37 | * | pahli_bar realizes that rkulagow is being sarcastic |
| 12:39 | <rkulagow> | i don't think i'd do so good in retail. i was in radio shack, and the counter person convinced an older woman that she needed the $15 protection plan on a $20 trimline touch tone phone. |
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| 12:40 | <pahli_bar> | yeah. you have to be a real sleazeball to succeed in one of these businesses |
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| 13:03 | <thor_> | excellent, stan ("the man") is back .... |
| 13:04 | <Chutt> | you're getting mail, then? |
| 13:04 | <thor_> | yup |
| 13:05 | <Chutt> | allright |
| 13:09 | <kvandivo> | he's a talkative guy.. |
| 13:10 | <thor_> | and veyr antertianing |
| 13:11 | * | kvandivo throws back his head and cackles with insane glee. |
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| 13:44 | <eecshate> | hey all |
| 13:45 | <eecshate> | i'm trying to setup X for myth w/ no mouse |
| 13:45 | <eecshate> | is this possible startx keeps dying on no input pointer detected |
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| 14:06 | <eecshate> | does anyone know if I need to have a mouse for xwindows in order to get mythtv to work |
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| 14:11 | <thor_> | http://www.xfree86.org/current/XF86Config.5.html |
| 14:11 | <thor_> | Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "boolean" |
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| 14:55 | <mattfelsen> | isaac mentioned that there will be a menu for video playback...any timeframe on that? |
| 14:56 | <mattfelsen> | ie, being worked on now or in the next few months or something like that? |
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| 14:56 | <rkulagow> | chutt: current CVS seems to have fixed the mysql CPU hog bug |
| 14:58 | <rkulagow> | chutt: don't know if you' |
| 14:59 | <rkulagow> | ve encountered this. 4 encoders, 2xmaster, 2xslave. 3 programs to record. all kick off, but encoder #3 (slave) has firmware lockup. ctrl-c the slave backend, modprobe -r ivtv, modprobe ivtv, restart slave backend. program that was scheduled on that card doesn't re-start recording. |
| 15:00 | <rkulagow> | the only way to record is to go livetv->record what i'm watching, but exiting live tv exits the recording as well. |
| 15:03 | <eecshate> | (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOPAN_DISPLAY: Invalid argument i'm getting this when trying to startx |
| 15:03 | <eecshate> | is this a problem |
| 15:05 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, i think that's because the master doesn't really know that the slave was killed |
| 15:05 | <Chutt> | and that it was recording, and that it should invalidate the recording |
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| 15:15 | <eecshate> | i'm getting sound but no video output when using my 350 and 'watching tv' |
| 15:15 | <eecshate> | any ideas on the culprit of that? |
| 15:15 | <rkulagow> | chutt: i'll investigate the sequence of events some more. |
| 15:16 | <eecshate> | when i configure my capture card to use "S-Video0" it seg faults |
| 15:16 | <eecshate> | when I use "S-Video1" it has sound but no picture |
| 15:22 | <eecshate> | i'm getting a segfault after mythfrontend IOCTL_GET_STATE complains of an invalid argument |
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| 15:39 | <mchou> | anyone know if pvr-350 support playing dvds (like thru xine) via tv-out using ivtv-fb? |
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| 15:39 | <Netslayer> | heh my webhost got hacked, all our site's index file was replaced with "hax0rs lab - help@hax0rslab.org" |
| 15:40 | <mchou> | uh, that's rather alarming, isn't it? |
| 15:40 | <choenig> | hi mchou, sorry that I didn't replay for so long, but I had a quite hard time these days, was in hospital over new year and stuff |
| 15:41 | <mchou> | hi choenig: gee, sorry to hear that, what happend?! |
| 15:41 | <Netslayer> | it's a personal page, and i have backups..it's alarming for them heh, i only pay $1/month for 1GB anyway, of course they are more professional now heh and charge more :-P orphus.net |
| 15:43 | <mchou> | choenig: I hope you are ok now...... |
| 15:44 | <eecshate> | is there any way to tell which device in the mythsetup "S-VideoN" corresponds to the argument passed in using test_ioctl -p N? |
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| 15:49 | <choenig> | mchou: a had a bad ache in the region of my appendix |
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| 15:54 | <eecshate> | does myth send the test_ioctl command? |
| 15:54 | <eecshate> | backend tells me that it can't read from the card each time |
| 16:03 | <Chutt> | eecshate, you're having problems with the ivtv driver, then, not mythtv |
| 16:06 | <eecshate> | chutt, well, does mythtv send the test_ioctl command? |
| 16:06 | <eecshate> | if I do that manually I can capture just fine |
| 16:10 | <mdz> | eecshate: /join #ivtv-dev? |
| 16:10 | <eecshate> | hah, thx |
| 16:10 | <eecshate> | maybe they know if myth inits the card ;) |
| 16:15 | <mdz> | oh, no, I guess that bit must have been overlooked |
| 16:15 | <mdz> | that would explain why it's working fine for quite a number of people |
| 16:19 | <eecshate> | mdz: well it could be automatically done by myth or it could be expected to be done during system startup. thats all i'm asking |
| 16:21 | <mdz> | it would be pretty weird for mythtv to ask you which input to record from, and then expect you to set the input on the card |
| 16:22 | <eecshate> | agreed, but when things don't work such questions are reasonable |
| 16:26 | <eecshate> | speaking of weird, why are there 4 svideo input options when the 250/350 has one svideo input? |
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| 16:41 | <Octane> | anyone else's cable company repeat channels? IE have TVLand at channel 80 and have it again at cahnnel 854 |
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| 17:06 | <rkulagow> | chutt: here? |
| 17:09 | <vagrant> | is there a quick key that resizes the mythtv window up to full screen size? |
| 17:09 | <Chutt> | kind of |
| 17:09 | <Chutt> | vagrant, nope |
| 17:10 | <vagrant> | er. |
| 17:11 | <rkulagow> | chutt: you mentioned in IRC you were thinking of spawning mythfilldatabase from within myth instead of a cron job. are you still thinking that? a framework for spawning jobs without editing crontabs would be useful for crap like a "once a day, look for recordings that can't be correct, like 0 byte recordings" |
| 17:12 | <rkulagow> | (and would tie in with the "messages to users" syslog-type thing that someone else had mentioned.) |
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| 17:13 | <Chutt> | sure |
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| 17:17 | <rkulagow> | hrmm. just saw that vektor over on ivtv-dev told hans that MPEG-2 DVDs store subtitles as a data stream in the vbi thread. if that's true, (and i don't doubt that it is) then that reminds me that i had wanted to include show details within the NUV file in case the database gets whacked. |
| 17:18 | <rkulagow> | ick. that sentence barely parsed. |
| 17:18 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:19 | <rkulagow> | for mpeg files, is there still a full mythtv .NUV header, or are you just dumping bytes? |
| 17:20 | <rkulagow> | i didn't see any when i looked at the .nuv files in raw mode. |
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| 17:20 | <Chutt> | it's just dumping the bytes |
| 17:21 | <vagrant> | does mythfrontend compile cleanly under windows? |
| 17:21 | <Chutt> | hah |
| 17:22 | <vagrant> | it seems to make liberal use of qt, I'm not sure if there were any other dependencies though. |
| 17:22 | <Chutt> | sound display |
| 17:22 | <Chutt> | video display |
| 17:25 | <Teflon> | now initializing my 2nd myth box -- a frontend only machine. |
| 17:25 | <vagrant> | mythtv more or less just uses mplayer for sound and video I thought. |
| 17:25 | <Teflon> | ECS K7SOM+ is an incredibly cheap mobo |
| 17:26 | <vagrant> | doesn't it? |
| 17:27 | <rkulagow> | vagrant: no. that's freevo. |
| 17:27 | <Teflon> | mplayer is an option for the add-on video and dvd playback modules |
| 17:28 | <Teflon> | one of several choices |
| 17:29 | <Chutt> | tv is all custom. |
| 17:29 | <vagrant> | I see. |
| 17:30 | <vagrant> | is freevo a separate project or is it pretty tightly integrated? |
| 17:30 | <Chutt> | to mythtv? |
| 17:30 | <vagrant> | yes. |
| 17:31 | <Chutt> | it's a totally separate project |
| 17:32 | <vagrant> | ok. |
| 17:32 | <vagrant> | but otherwise, that's the only major dependency tying mythtv to a *nix/X11 environment? |
| 17:33 | <Chutt> | well |
| 17:33 | <Chutt> | recording from a tuner card |
| 17:33 | <Chutt> | etc |
| 17:33 | <Chutt> | qt 3 for windows isn't free. |
| 17:33 | <vagrant> | it is for non-commercial use, isn't it? |
| 17:33 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 17:33 | <vagrant> | I'm just worried about playback, not capture. |
| 17:34 | <vagrant> | i.e. mythfrontend compatability. |
| 17:35 | <jbeimler> | I use the mpg encorders so I can copy I play back elsewhere |
| 17:35 | <Chutt> | dsmyth.sf.net |
| 17:36 | <vagrant> | Chutt: what exactly is that? |
| 17:36 | <vagrant> | jbeimler: is that the only option though? |
| 17:36 | <vagrant> | jbeimler: though I haven't looked a whole lot into it, I haven't been able to transcode stuff yet. |
| 17:37 | <jbeimler> | I've got mpeg capture so I don't have to transcode |
| 17:37 | <vagrant> | I do too, but it seems to be putting it in .nuv files anyhow. |
| 17:38 | <vagrant> | again, I didn't look a whole lot into it. |
| 17:39 | <vagrant> | what do I need to do to make these files universally accessible? |
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| 17:45 | <jbeimler> | vagrant: use mplayer on windows |
| 17:49 | <vagrant> | jbeimler: that plays the .nuv files without a hitch? |
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| 17:50 | <jbeimler> | haven't had any trouble on the unix boxes, same code on windows, so I can't see it being an issue |
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| 18:13 | <dataworm_> | Hi, I would like to know more info about DVB-c decoding. My digital cable provider is videotron and I got a Explorer 2200 from scientific atlanta. Where can I find more info about if i'll be able to capure the feed with a DVB-c tuner? I am planning to buy a card but i prefer making sure it will work before spending money |
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| 18:25 | <Octane> | i love mythtv, i love mythtv, i love mythtv, i love mythtv |
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| 18:31 | <Octane> | dataworm_ someone recently posted a DVB howto on the mailing list |
| 18:31 | <Octane> | search the archives |
| 18:33 | <dataworm_> | Octane : cool... I will... I read aloth of DVB stuff alwready but just did't found any info on my provider |
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