| --- | Log | opened Thu Jan 08 00:00:02 2004 |
| 00:00 | <thor_> | hmmm |
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| 00:00 | <thor_> | this is old code |
| 00:01 | <thor_> | bah |
| 00:03 | <thor_> | ah ... it is a vector, but a vector of pointers ... that may not point anywhere sensible |
| 00:04 | <kvandivo> | well, clearly at least one of them points to zero. :) |
| 00:04 | <thor_> | yup |
| 00:04 | <thor_> | ah yes |
| 00:05 | <thor_> | chiphead, can you try something |
| 00:05 | <thor_> | ? |
| 00:05 | <chiphead> | sure |
| 00:05 | <thor_> | under: if (UITextType *item = dynamic_cast<UITextType *>(type)) |
| 00:05 | <thor_> | { |
| 00:05 | <thor_> | add a: |
| 00:06 | <thor_> | if(item) |
| 00:06 | <thor_> | { |
| 00:06 | <thor_> | } |
| 00:06 | <chiphead> | under it? it wont make it there |
| 00:06 | <thor_> | that make any sense to you ? |
| 00:06 | <kvandivo> | ummm.. ya.. the cast is failing.. |
| 00:06 | <thor_> | no, I think the cast works |
| 00:06 | <chiphead> | and its dieing on the first trip through the loop |
| 00:06 | <thor_> | it's just casting a type that points to NULL |
| 00:07 | <thor_> | chiphead, email address ? |
| 00:07 | <chiphead> | mythtv@chiphead.net |
| 00:07 | <thor_> | one sec |
| 00:07 | <Chutt> | type's not null in that case |
| 00:08 | <Chutt> | from the gdb trace |
| 00:08 | <thor_> | crap |
| 00:08 | <Chutt> | 'course, that could be wrong |
| 00:08 | <kvandivo> | so where's the 0x0 coming from..... hmmmm |
| 00:08 | <chiphead> | could I be missing some support file, since I did a clean checkout |
| 00:09 | <Chutt> | could just add a check for if (type) in there somewhere |
| 00:09 | <Chutt> | if that fixes it, i'd be happy |
| 00:09 | <kvandivo> | f the type of expression is a base class of the type of type-id, a run-time check is made to see if expression actually points to a complete object of the type of type-id. |
| 00:10 | <kvandivo> | dynamic_cast < type-id > ( expression ) |
| 00:10 | <kvandivo> | so the cast should probably fail if type is null.. |
| 00:10 | <thor_> | hmm |
| 00:10 | <chiphead> | ok I just put if(type) around the offending statement and compiling |
| 00:11 | <thor_> | heh, that's the e-mail |
| 00:11 | <chiphead> | :) |
| 00:12 | <chiphead> | :) yep thats what Im trying |
| 00:13 | * | thor_ goes back to flac decoding |
| 00:14 | <chiphead> | still died. will have to run valgrind again to see where this time |
| 00:14 | * | kvandivo gives up on trying to solve the recording line off by 1 bug for the night and ponders going to bed. |
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| 00:14 | <kvandivo> | you did something like if (type && (UITextType *item = dynamic_cast<UITextType *>(type))) ? |
| 00:14 | <kvandivo> | or functionally equivalent... |
| 00:15 | <thor_> | if type, then the cast |
| 00:15 | <thor_> | (email) |
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| 00:15 | <chiphead> | I put if(type) after UIType *type = (*i); just like thor_s email |
| 00:16 | <thor_> | yup |
| 00:17 | <chiphead> | gringing... will take a few on my slowass 733 xbox |
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| 00:19 | <thor_> | chiphead, you don't have some weird ass version of gcc running or something do you ? |
| 00:20 | <chiphead> | 3.2.3 as I have always used. my environment hasnt changed in a long time |
| 00:20 | <thor_> | darn |
| 00:22 | <chiphead> | made it past if(type) and died same place |
| 00:24 | <thor_> | is it even remotely possible that subversion 0.5 of libstdc++ version 5 has something a bit off in it's dynamic_cast ? |
| 00:24 | <Chutt> | doubt it |
| 00:25 | <thor_> | k |
| 00:25 | <Chutt> | it's likely that type was deleted at some point previous to the cast |
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| 00:26 | <Chutt> | there's nothing above those errors in valgrind? |
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| 00:28 | <Chutt> | chiphead, it'd be helpful to know when those errors started |
| 00:29 | <BrianDeacon> | Hauppauge 350 question... |
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| 00:30 | <BrianDeacon> | It can do the video out for me... will it also pipe my vga signal to the tv for me? Or how does that work... |
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| 00:31 | <tdb30_> | can someone help me set up mtyhweb? when I try to get to it I get fatal error: call to undefined function:mysql_connect() in /var/www.html/includes/init.php on line 51 |
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| 00:32 | <pmowry> | BrianDeacon: I've set up mine for X to use ivtv-fb for video output. Instructions are in ivtv_fb.c I think. |
| 00:32 | <pmowry> | It does not redirect the VGA, but works just as well for me. except no HW acceleration for mame. |
| 00:33 | <BrianDeacon> | pmowry: But it's the device that X sends everything to? (Guess that's what I was really getting at when I said vga...) |
| 00:33 | <thor_> | tdb30_, you need php with mysql support |
| 00:34 | <chiphead> | damn windows went south |
| 00:36 | <pmowry> | tdb30_: for RH9 I installed the php-mysql-4.2.2.17.2 rpm. |
| 00:37 | <pmowry> | BrianDeacon: You can set it up for X to feed both the TV and VGA screen, or just the TV. So I have verything going to the TV. All my consoles associate to the ivtv frame buffer device as well, but for me its ok. |
| 00:37 | <tdb30_> | ahh php-mysql.. well that seemed to help. |
| 00:38 | <tdb30_> | I had php and mysql but not php compiled with mysql apparantly. |
| 00:38 | <pmowry> | BrianDeacon: One catch is to get the device ID set right (Decimal vs. Hex issues) |
| 00:39 | <pmowry> | Check the archives. I believe one guy has links to PAL and NTSC config files in his signature. |
| 00:39 | <BrianDeacon> | Well, for my as-yet-non-existent system, there won't be anything but a tv anywho... |
| 00:39 | <BrianDeacon> | Thanks! 'preciate it. |
| 00:41 | <pmowry> | ok, NP. For reference, I have a P3-500 with 1Gb of ram and a PVR-350. Works great for mythtv. I'm looking at getting a faster system only for games, and playing mpeg4 video. |
| 00:44 | <pmowry> | I have not played with Thor's mfd code yet to see how it behaves on a slow system. Dont really have a need for it yet, but I'm always looking for something new to play with. |
| 00:46 | <Chutt> | nothing uses mfd yet :p |
| 00:46 | <thor_> | heh |
| 00:48 | <thor_> | it'll decode oggs to iTunes under valgrind, so a p3-500 should be fine .... |
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| 01:08 | <tdb30_> | when trying to run mythweb I get this error Fatal Error at /var/www/html/includes/mythbackend.php, line 17: |
| 01:08 | <tdb30_> | Unable to connect to mythbackend, is it running? I know mythbackend is running |
| 01:09 | <tdb30_> | ooops nevermind. when I killed it and restarted it it worked. must havehung up |
| 01:18 | <tdb30_> | arrg. I tried to use mythweb to record a show but mythbacked aborted with invalid cardid -1 |
| 01:18 | <Chutt> | you've got a video source that isn't attached to an input |
| 01:19 | <Chutt> | and you just tried to schedule something on it |
| 01:19 | <tdb30_> | ahh |
| 01:19 | <tdb30_> | hey is there a way to delete video sources? |
| 01:19 | <tdb30_> | other than playing with the database directly? |
| 01:20 | <pmowry> | the backend setup, or are you referring to the video capture card inputs. |
| 01:20 | <tdb30_> | I'm thinking the backend setup. |
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| 01:21 | <pmowry> | when you run it, it'll ask if you want to clear them. |
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| 01:21 | <tdb30_> | ahh. so its an all or nothing deal? Okay. |
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| 01:28 | <Chutt> | or just hit 'm' on the video source you want to delete |
| 01:28 | <Chutt> | 'course, i don't know if that'll clear out program info, but, whatever |
| 01:29 | <tdb30_> | okay. because I know you are right about one source not being assinged an input. but its because I made a mistake and it got added accidentaly. |
| 01:33 | <thor_> | grrrr ... friggin flac callbacks |
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| 01:43 | <Chutt> | are you doing your own decoders? |
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| 01:47 | <thor_> | yes |
| 01:47 | <thor_> | (I know, I'm an idiot) |
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| 01:56 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:56 | <Chutt> | you could probably put together a .wav output class for the exisitng decoders pretty easily |
| 01:56 | <thor_> | yup |
| 01:57 | <thor_> | but it's a mess to get in the middle of the decoder, input, output, recycler wait condition logic and say .... hey the client socket went away, stop what you're doing |
| 01:58 | <thor_> | well, not a mess |
| 01:58 | <thor_> | just beyond me |
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| 02:02 | <pmowry> | It's not practical to be seperated from a backend by a vpn over cable modem is it? |
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| 02:04 | <pmowry> | I want to have international backends recording, and then watch them later at home. |
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| 02:05 | <pmowry> | So my wife can watch her US Soaps, and I can watch the BBC's The Office, while in Prague. |
| 02:06 | <mchou> | pmowry: what's your occupation? |
| 02:07 | <pmowry> | Network Engineer for a company with offices in 218 countries. |
| 02:07 | <mchou> | th biggest problem I think would be the live buffer, it would be "remote", and latency can be deadly.... |
| 02:08 | <mchou> | pmowry: what company is that, IBM? |
| 02:08 | <Octane> | hm, i enabled xvmc, it works, but deinterlace video seems to not work |
| 02:09 | <pmowry> | hehe, no DHL (Shipping Company). |
| 02:10 | <mchou> | u got a big enough "private" pipe, maybe its doable. |
| 02:10 | <mchou> | but I think you'd be tter off shipping hard disks.... |
| 02:10 | <mchou> | just my opinion :) |
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| 02:11 | <pmowry> | OC3 to OC12 between regions, but the bottleneck would be my VPN from home. |
| 02:11 | <pmowry> | No need for live tv. |
| 02:11 | <mchou> | pmowry: exactly..... |
| 02:11 | <mchou> | no, applys to record buffer too... |
| 02:11 | <Octane> | "Can't deinterlace (or do anything else to the video stream) while using xvmc." |
| 02:12 | <mchou> | pmowry: read this: http://www.acmqueue.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=43 |
| 02:13 | <pmowry> | I need to look more into how multiple backends work. It may be better to right a p2p like plugin.. |
| 02:13 | <mchou> | pmowry: I have mutiple back ends. they work like I say :) |
| 02:16 | <pmowry> | so having independent systems and moving the nuv files with sql data to a home backend would be the best solution? |
| 02:16 | <mchou> | pmowry: did u read the article? |
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| 02:17 | <pmowry> | I thought trating hard drive like tape was an interesting statement |
| 02:18 | <mchou> | and when u need to move a lot of data around, conventional shipping is cheaper than ftp. :) |
| 02:19 | <mchou> | so, in short, yeah, buy 4 firewire drives, ship them back and forth, you'd be all set.... |
| 02:19 | <mchou> | maybe even sata..... |
| 02:19 | <keg> | heh |
| 02:20 | <pmowry> | =) |
| 02:20 | <mchou> | I'm not kidding by the way, especially since u work for a shipping company..... |
| 02:22 | <pmowry> | Archive a week or two at a time, then swap disks.. |
| 02:23 | <mchou> | exactly.and u hit nail right on head with mysql.... |
| 02:24 | <pmowry> | My wife's only concern about moving to Prague waht only 2 broadcast channels, and no US programming on satalite. |
| 02:24 | <pmowry> | Nevermind the language differnce... |
| 02:25 | <mchou> | realistically why is she concerned about that? me, I'd be too busy enjoying prague.... :) |
| 02:26 | <pmowry> | Not adventurous to go out alone, so what to do when I'm at work and daughter in school |
| 02:27 | <mchou> | well, she can make friends there, no? |
| 02:27 | <mchou> | wont have to go out alone.... |
| 02:27 | <pmowry> | Yeah, and volunteer at the school. |
| 02:28 | <pmowry> | Weekends we'll explore the other countries |
| 02:28 | <mchou> | exactly.... |
| 02:29 | <mchou> | btw, who's stateside to help you ship disks? |
| 02:30 | <mchou> | (that's a potiential prob) :) |
| 02:30 | <pmowry> | Family in the US, friends in the UK. Hiopefull |
| 02:30 | <pmowry> | hopefully pull in co-workers to get the discounts all around. |
| 02:31 | <mchou> | hgeh, u need relatives familar w/ linux to unmount drive...... |
| 02:31 | <pmowry> | So long as we stick to broadcast TV, should be totally leagal as well. |
| 02:32 | <mchou> | make sure no recording is going on while disconnecting drive.... |
| 02:32 | <mchou> | thats another problem.... |
| 02:32 | <pmowry> | Wonder how durable the high density drives are for shipping so much. |
| 02:32 | <mchou> | the article mentions that specifically..... |
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| 02:33 | <mchou> | get ones w/ long warrantee... |
| 02:34 | <pmowry> | reading it slowly, turning up a new oc12 right now and haviing carrier issues, lots of finger pointing |
| 02:35 | <mchou> | well, there u go.... |
| 02:35 | <pmowry> | New routers new circuits new sonet rings.... |
| 02:35 | <pmowry> | I still cant belive the pipes into these places. |
| 02:36 | <mchou> | networking, besides being more expensive, is temperamental.... |
| 02:36 | <mchou> | over the WAN, of course :) |
| 02:38 | <pmowry> | my bonus is tied to 5 9's availabilty. So if I have issues with a few 2 gig files, I've got bigger problems ;) |
| 02:38 | <mchou> | ok, but seriously, I think you can "pin" the record buffer to the local tuner using rankings....I'm not really sure about that since I dont really use that.... |
| 02:39 | <mchou> | yeah, I used to work on high availability..... |
| 02:39 | <mchou> | 5 minutes, you're fired :) |
| 02:39 | <pmowry> | I've got till march, I doubt I'll really do it anyway. Jsut curious if it was possible. |
| 02:40 | <pmowry> | 5 minutes and 20% paycut, 10 minutes and fired |
| 02:40 | <mchou> | so what exactly do u do for DHL? |
| 02:41 | <pmowry> | Voice and video over IP on the easy side. design and maintain to international backbone whti rapindly growing bandwidth demands as critical. |
| 02:43 | <mchou> | voip, heh, I use to do R&D that too. Do ppl really deploy that in the enterprise? |
| 02:43 | <mchou> | or do u mean just netmeeting? :) |
| 02:44 | <pmowry> | Deployed VoIP for international toll bypass to 60 countires last quarter. |
| 02:44 | <pmowry> | All call centers are traditional pbx setups right now though. |
| 02:45 | <mchou> | but do ppl really use it, or is it just "showcase?" |
| 02:45 | <mchou> | well, yeah...nobody really wants to move from proven pbx technology, especially if their jobs are on the line :) |
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| 02:47 | <pmowry> | The goal is for all internal international calls to be VoIP by May. Usually the change is transparent to the end users, no complaints so far. |
| 02:47 | <pmowry> | There is a target goal for cost saving from VoIP in the Millions per year. |
| 02:47 | <mchou> | hows the voice quality and latency? |
| 02:48 | <mchou> | no doubt theres cost savings $$$$ |
| 02:49 | <pmowry> | So far the latency issue has not been a problem, worst case compared it to cell phone quality. |
| 02:49 | <pmowry> | When we bring up the middle east and Island countrties in the Americas that may change. |
| 02:50 | <mchou> | so whose IP PBX have u tried? |
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| 02:50 | <pmowry> | Cisco and Avaya mainly. TEsting Alcatel in France. |
| 02:51 | <mchou> | what you guys decide on, MGCP, SIP or ??? |
| 02:52 | <pmowry> | Stuck with H.323 currently because of AT&T SDN requirements. Moving to a mix of MGCP and SIP soon. |
| 02:52 | <mchou> | heh.... |
| 02:53 | <pmowry> | SIP is about as compatable between vendors as Q.SIG is with ISDN vendors. |
| 02:54 | <mchou> | heh.... |
| 02:54 | <cjs_> | http://www.mxp-themovie.com/ |
| 02:55 | <cjs_> | heh |
| 02:55 | <cjs_> | i must torrent this |
| 02:55 | <pmowry> | What do you do? We're hiring in Scottsdale, AZ and in Prague. (appologies to the channel for the chatter) |
| 02:55 | <mchou> | I work at Intel R&D..... |
| 02:55 | <pmowry> | I bet its more fun.. |
| 02:56 | <mchou> | more fun than shipping, well, I don't know, you're doing the travelling :) |
| 02:56 | <pmowry> | DHL is a good place to be. Lots of new technoligies to keep thing interesting like an integrator, but the benefit of vendors buying meals right and left like the enterprise. |
| 02:57 | <mchou> | I dunno, I think fedex is pioneer, no? |
| 02:57 | * | cjs_ almost went to work for fedex |
| 02:58 | <mchou> | logistics and tracking is phenom..... |
| 02:59 | <mchou> | definitely need good IT infrastructure for that..... |
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| 03:01 | <pmowry> | I thing DHL is the big boy internationally but FedEx and UPS win in the US. That's way we bought Airborne. Not so much for the overnight, but logistic and service centers. |
| 03:02 | <mchou> | really, didn't know that(DHL==International). Learn s/t new every day. |
| 03:02 | <pmowry> | My circuits up.. Yeah... |
| 03:02 | <pmowry> | It was out plane shot in Iraq. |
| 03:03 | <pmowry> | Not that its a claim to fame or anything... |
| 03:03 | <mchou> | heh, I dont know if I'd brag about *that*...... |
| 03:04 | <pmowry> | A better way to say is we deliver to use troops serving in Iraq. |
| 03:04 | <pmowry> | I belive we are toe only one. |
| 03:04 | <mchou> | hehe, yeah, that's better..... |
| 03:06 | <mchou> | so u guys are still gonna use pstn pbx phones for voip? |
| 03:07 | <mchou> | leverage the old investment or make new investment in phones? |
| 03:08 | <pmowry> | No, putting as many IP phone on the desk as possilble. PBX's stay where they are, new sites come up IP unless we have an Avaya PBX lying around then we IP enable it. |
| 03:09 | <pmowry> | For the smaller sites, as keyswitch systems maintenace expires, we replace it with a cisco router acting as a key-switch system (CIT or Call manager Express I thing its called now). |
| 03:09 | <mchou> | really, now that's surprising.....I had always thought the phone transition was gonna be iffy..... |
| 03:09 | <mchou> | nobody "blinked" over there when all phones had to be replaced? |
| 03:10 | <pmowry> | We have a lot of sites in transition, so when they get to the new office, a new phone is on the dedsk. |
| 03:11 | <mchou> | hmm, interesting. So my marketing guy was right after all..... |
| 03:11 | <mchou> | :) |
| 03:11 | <pmowry> | hehe |
| 03:13 | <pmowry> | I would still say DHL is adopting it fasting than most companies. |
| 03:13 | <mchou> | you think ppl will make used of the "advanced features" of IP phone? |
| 03:14 | <pmowry> | hmmm |
| 03:14 | <mchou> | I think something like 90% of "advanced features" of keyswitch phones don't get used....? |
| 03:15 | <mchou> | of course with keyswitch the (end-user) UI sucked :) |
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| 03:15 | <pmowry> | we have XML applications for package traking, confernce scheduling, Outlook address books. |
| 03:16 | <pmowry> | Tipically they only get used when people are in a rush before or after there PC's are running. |
| 03:16 | <mchou> | heh, tell me about it.... |
| 03:17 | <mchou> | I thought IP phone supposed to have all smarts independent of PC? |
| 03:17 | <pmowry> | But we using "extension mobility" to have your number follow you, just about finished developing this feature to work across sites, even different countrties. |
| 03:17 | <mchou> | like PC phone basically can talk directly to exchange server w/o PC.... |
| 03:18 | <mchou> | oops, meant IP phone.... |
| 03:18 | <pmowry> | Yeah, but the PC is more familiar, so if its available, it thends to be used first. |
| 03:19 | <cjs_> | UIs on phones are silly |
| 03:19 | <cjs_> | i want a *less* complicated phone |
| 03:19 | <cjs_> | standard 12-digit keypad |
| 03:19 | <pmowry> | I want more games =) |
| 03:19 | <cjs_> | plus one button for "play messages" |
| 03:19 | <cjs_> | and one more for "delete messages" |
| 03:19 | <cjs_> | that's it |
| 03:20 | <nchip> | haha |
| 03:20 | <mchou> | how about call forwarding, I use that all the time..... |
| 03:20 | <pmowry> | That's the first thing my daugher asks when i bring home a new phone: Were's the games? |
| 03:20 | <cjs_> | no |
| 03:20 | <nchip> | I really love it when people claim they want more simple phones |
| 03:20 | <cjs_> | just a phone |
| 03:20 | <cjs_> | claim? i *do* want a simple phone :) |
| 03:21 | <pmowry> | hehe, my curent cell phone actualy locks up and I have to pull the batery. |
| 03:21 | <mchou> | well, japanese cell phone customers beg to differ re simple..... |
| 03:21 | <cjs_> | i was talking about my desk phone |
| 03:21 | <cjs_> | dont get me started about my cell phone |
| 03:22 | <cjs_> | :) |
| 03:22 | <nchip> | who uses desk phones anymore? |
| 03:22 | <nchip> | americans? |
| 03:22 | <cjs_> | i use them at work when i dont want to burn my minutes |
| 03:22 | <cjs_> | my cellphone is too small to hold against my head, too |
| 03:22 | <cjs_> | i dont like tiny cell phones |
| 03:22 | <nchip> | haha |
| 03:23 | <nchip> | you know |
| 03:23 | <pmowry> | Move features = more to go wrong. I dont have a home phone anymore, just a personal cell for me and my wife, and a IPphone over VPN to keep my work minutes of it. |
| 03:23 | <mchou> | why are you holding a cell phone, use a headset.... |
| 03:23 | <nchip> | you can buy used brick phones that have only very few features for very cheap |
| 03:23 | <cjs_> | mchou, thats one more thing i have to carry in my pocket |
| 03:23 | <cjs_> | where does everybody carry all this crap? |
| 03:23 | <cjs_> | headsets? |
| 03:23 | <cjs_> | pdas? |
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| 03:24 | <pmowry> | I dont know I kinda like the phone Will Farrel had on SNL that was smaller than his thumb nail... |
| 03:24 | <mchou> | hehe... |
| 03:24 | <cjs_> | see, here's the thing |
| 03:24 | <cjs_> | i dont want a cheap brick phone |
| 03:25 | <cjs_> | i want an brushed aluminum super-long-batttery-life brick phone |
| 03:25 | <pmowry> | Our Cisco rep walks in everyday with a bluetooth earpeace on and here phone in here pocket. The boom mic sticking out by her cheek is odd, but it works. |
| 03:25 | <cjs_> | with really really nice buttons |
| 03:26 | <cjs_> | machined aluminum buttons |
| 03:26 | <mchou> | pmowry: exactly.... |
| 03:26 | <mchou> | u will be assimilated...:) |
| 03:27 | <pmowry> | cjs_: sounds like you have a few PC case mods around too. |
| 03:27 | <cjs_> | nope |
| 03:27 | <cjs_> | i like things really simple |
| 03:27 | <cjs_> | and well-built |
| 03:27 | <cjs_> | case mods would be un-simple |
| 03:28 | <cjs_> | its the german school of thought vs the japanese school of thought i suppose |
| 03:28 | <mchou> | cjs_: so y u hanging out on #mythtv :) |
| 03:28 | <pmowry> | Machined aluminum is what sparked the idea. I shold think before typing. |
| 03:28 | <cjs_> | heh |
| 03:28 | <mchou> | aint simple... |
| 03:28 | <cjs_> | i wonder that myself mchou |
| 03:28 | <cjs_> | nope, it isnt |
| 03:30 | <pmowry> | My wife likes simple. She complained abit after I talked here into Myth instead of a Tivo. But she likes it now, except when I change the Themes. |
| 03:30 | <mchou> | cjs_: so, I think u've contradicted yourself :) |
| 03:30 | <cjs_> | yeah, but really, myth is fairly simple, at least the UI |
| 03:31 | <pmowry> | Not a contrtadiction, just a balance between simple and mental entertainment for the inner geek in all of us. |
| 03:32 | <mchou> | well, that's my point, not everyone is a luddite even though they claim to be one :) |
| 03:34 | <pmowry> | Ive been done with work for a while, maybe I should go home now. talk to ya'll later. |
| 03:34 | <cjs_> | oh, im not a luddite at all |
| 03:34 | <cjs_> | i love tech |
| 03:34 | <cjs_> | but i dont like visual crowding |
| 03:34 | <cjs_> | i like things to be visually simple |
| 03:34 | * | cjs_ notices the piles of junk on the desk and winces |
| 03:34 | <mchou> | cjs_: so maybe you're a mac/ideo type of person..... |
| 03:35 | <cjs_> | i am a mac person :) |
| 03:35 | <pmowry> | I agree with that one. remotes with more that 20 buttons should be burned ;) |
| 03:35 | <cjs_> | pmowry: amen, brother |
| 03:36 | <mchou> | well, except then manufacturers "overload" the buttons..... |
| 03:36 | <pmowry> | Love the conversation, but gotta go. seya |
| 03:36 | <mchou> | all 20 of them w/6 functions each..... |
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| 03:36 | <nchip> | why can't remotes have 4-way navigation with OSD? |
| 03:37 | * | cjs_ turns on the space heater |
| 03:37 | <cjs_> | it is cold in here |
| 03:38 | <nchip> | anyways, I'll write a bluetooth remote control app for my mobile phone as soon as I get the nokia 6600 from $WORK |
| 03:38 | <mchou> | cjs_: where are u physically? |
| 03:38 | <cjs_> | San Antonio, Texas USA |
| 03:39 | <mchou> | and its cold there now? |
| 03:39 | <cjs_> | yep, in the high 30s i think |
| 03:39 | <cjs_> | ok, 45 |
| 03:39 | <cjs_> | 45F |
| 03:40 | <mchou> | heh, im in CA and it says 55F |
| 03:41 | <nchip> | -7C here |
| 03:42 | <cjs_> | where in CA |
| 03:42 | <mchou> | nchip: where, in norway :) |
| 03:42 | <nchip> | Finland |
| 03:42 | <mchou> | see, I was close.... |
| 03:42 | <nchip> | :) |
| 03:42 | <cjs_> | brrr |
| 03:42 | <cjs_> | always wanted to visit Finland though |
| 03:43 | <cjs_> | closest i've been is Iceland and Switzerland |
| 03:45 | <nchip> | well, if you are used to weather in Texas, I wouldn't try visting here in winter :) |
| 03:45 | <mchou> | hehe.... |
| 03:45 | <mchou> | yeah, not to mention the long nights or mornings..... |
| 03:46 | <mchou> | nchip: have you seen "northern lights?" |
| 03:47 | <nchip> | I few times.. I live in the southern finland so they are rather pale in colors here |
| 03:48 | <mchou> | ahh, ok...maybe your circadan clock isn't all screwed up then :) |
| 03:49 | <nchip> | cricadan? |
| 03:49 | <robbie> | hmm |
| 03:49 | <robbie> | i have 2 tv guide sources from 2 different tim zones |
| 03:49 | <mchou> | nchip: "body" clock.... |
| 03:49 | <robbie> | but it looks like i can only set a global time zone offset |
| 03:51 | <mchou> | robbie, u lucky....you can watch the same show at different times :) |
| 03:52 | <robbie> | no |
| 03:52 | <robbie> | one of my sources is one hour off :( |
| 03:53 | <mchou> | maybe u can put offset in ~/.mythtv/<source>.xml?? |
| 03:54 | <mchou> | wouldn't really know since I dont have that problem..... |
| 03:56 | <robbie> | hmm |
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| 05:55 | <irrut> | hey everyone. I was having a slight problem with a recent mythtv install...I can watch live Tv np, tho when I try to record something, it throughs the screen out a joint, as if format (ntsc,pal) had changed |
| 05:55 | <irrut> | wondering if anyone might have some advice |
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| 08:18 | <Snappi> | can anyone recommend a light-weaight GUI for myth? |
| 08:18 | <Snappi> | should I stick with twm or should I choose another? |
| 08:23 | <GreyFoxx> | Personally I use icewm with the toolbar set to auto hide |
| 08:23 | <Snappi> | k |
| 08:23 | <GreyFoxx> | and if you use strip on the icewm binary it shrinks from 5.3Meg down to about 420k :) |
| 08:23 | <Snappi> | but I wan't a tinner |
| 08:23 | <GreyFoxx> | tinner ? |
| 08:23 | <Snappi> | cool |
| 08:24 | <Snappi> | didn't see what u typed |
| 08:24 | <Snappi> | * I typed will tuor mess was printed |
| 08:24 | <Snappi> | do u have a screenshot? |
| 08:24 | <Snappi> | btw do u use your box as a htpc only or as a ws also? |
| 08:26 | <GreyFoxx> | My box is a HTPC/fileserver, but I use icewm on my desktop as well as work desktops |
| 08:26 | <Snappi> | k |
| 08:26 | <GreyFoxx> | I'll make you a screen shot, hold on a sec :) |
| 08:26 | <Snappi> | I am using gentoo and do u know if it is possible to set an OPTS to strip icewm? |
| 08:26 | <Snappi> | thx a lot |
| 08:27 | <Snappi> | to bad the removed sweden/norway grabber in xmltv :( |
| 08:28 | <Snappi> | btw is there a small login manager that can auto-login like kdm and gdm? |
| 08:29 | <dpryo> | Can't be that hard to hack the kdm/gdm scripts to start something else than gdm/kdm. |
| 08:30 | <GreyFoxx> | no, ice doesn't come with any login managers. But you should be able to make it work with any of the others |
| 08:30 | <Snappi> | but I don't use kdm on my htpc |
| 08:30 | <Snappi> | I know but if I want gdm or kdm I have to compile kde and gnome |
| 08:30 | <dpryo> | Just add something to the initscripts, something that starts up X and everything. |
| 08:30 | <Snappi> | takes a lot of time and a lot of space |
| 08:31 | <Snappi> | I can start xdm up without any problem |
| 08:31 | <Snappi> | but I don't know if xdm can auto-login |
| 08:31 | <dpryo> | You don't want a login-manager. |
| 08:31 | <GreyFoxx> | Plenty of auto "login" scripts have been posted to the mailing list to allow the box to start up directly into X/Myth |
| 08:31 | <dpryo> | You want start X automaticly. |
| 08:31 | <Snappi> | yes |
| 08:31 | <dpryo> | Then hack the xdm initscript, see how it works. |
| 08:31 | <Snappi> | and logged in as a user |
| 08:31 | <dpryo> | But instead of executing xdm, execute your windowmanager. |
| 08:32 | <dpryo> | Then use `su` |
| 08:32 | <dpryo> | from the initscript. |
| 08:32 | <Snappi> | but a user have to be logged in |
| 08:32 | <Snappi> | I know how to add xdm to start up on boot |
| 08:32 | <Snappi> | but it's a login manager |
| 08:32 | <dpryo> | I know. |
| 08:32 | <Snappi> | and u can't run X if u aren't logged in as a user |
| 08:32 | <dpryo> | init scripts are ran from root. And XDM is basicly a X program. |
| 08:33 | <dpryo> | So it runs as root. |
| 08:33 | <Snappi> | true |
| 08:33 | <dpryo> | But if you su to another user, and then start up X :) |
| 08:33 | <Snappi> | k |
| 08:33 | <dpryo> | That could be done with some shell scripting. |
| 08:33 | <Snappi> | got any docs on sucha scripts? |
| 08:33 | <dpryo> | No sorry.. I'm going to setup my box tonight.. |
| 08:33 | <Snappi> | k |
| 08:34 | <Snappi> | dist? |
| 08:34 | <dpryo> | Gentoo. |
| 08:34 | <Snappi> | same as me :D |
| 08:34 | <dpryo> | "man su" will probably help alot ;) |
| 08:34 | <Snappi> | country? |
| 08:34 | <dpryo> | Norway |
| 08:34 | <Snappi> | k |
| 08:34 | <Snappi> | me sweden |
| 08:34 | <dpryo> | :) |
| 08:34 | <Snappi> | don't use latest xmltv |
| 08:34 | <Snappi> | doesn't support us |
| 08:34 | <Snappi> | I used the rls before the newest in portage |
| 08:34 | <dpryo> | I haven't even touched mythtv yet, so I'll check out the softwares tonight. |
| 08:35 | <Snappi> | XMLTV_OPTS="tv_grab_sn" didn't work |
| 08:35 | <Snappi> | and if u want 0.13 remeber to use ~x86 |
| 08:36 | <Snappi> | and u should put mysql to your use flags |
| 08:36 | <dpryo> | :) |
| 08:36 | <dpryo> | My worries are how I can integrate my dreambox. |
| 08:36 | <dpryo> | That's my mission. |
| 08:36 | <dpryo> | : |
| 08:36 | <Snappi> | are u going to use ~x86? |
| 08:36 | <dpryo> | yep. |
| 08:37 | <Snappi> | iputils didn't work for me when emerging system |
| 08:37 | <Snappi> | if it doesn't work for u inject it |
| 08:37 | <Snappi> | what tv-card do u have? |
| 08:38 | <Snappi> | anyone have a PCTV Rave with the new chipset? |
| 08:38 | <dpryo> | I don't have any. |
| 08:38 | <Snappi> | k |
| 08:38 | <dpryo> | I'm going to integrate my dreambox over network, some how.. |
| 08:38 | <Snappi> | dreambox? |
| 08:38 | <Snappi> | htpcbox? |
| 08:39 | <dpryo> | A satellite tuner. |
| 08:39 | <dpryo> | Running linux :P |
| 08:39 | <Snappi> | cool |
| 08:39 | <dpryo> | Capable of emulating smartcards and stuff. |
| 08:39 | <Snappi> | k |
| 08:39 | <dpryo> | Pretty neat, and you can get raw MPEG stream over network sockets :) |
| 08:39 | <Snappi> | cool |
| 08:40 | <dpryo> | And change channels and so forth via web interface. |
| 08:40 | <Snappi> | k |
| 08:40 | <Snappi> | expensive? |
| 08:40 | <Snappi> | *c |
| 08:40 | <dpryo> | About 4-5K (NOK) |
| 08:40 | <Snappi> | k |
| 08:40 | <dpryo> | And the cpu is a 250Mhz powerpc :/ |
| 08:40 | <dpryo> | Very slow. |
| 08:40 | <Snappi> | k |
| 08:41 | <dpryo> | So I haven't bothered doing any cool stuff with it. |
| 08:41 | <Snappi> | isn't that arch ppc? |
| 08:41 | <dpryo> | Yes |
| 08:41 | <Snappi> | u can't use ~x86 than |
| 08:41 | <dpryo> | Heh, not on the satellite tuner .. |
| 08:41 | <dpryo> | My PC is a celeron :P |
| 08:41 | <Snappi> | k |
| 08:42 | <dpryo> | I can use debian ppc compiled packages on the satellite tuner. |
| 08:42 | <Snappi> | mm |
| 08:42 | <dpryo> | But it's so slow that it is boring. |
| 08:42 | <dpryo> | :P |
| 08:43 | <Snappi> | mythfilldatabase takes forever |
| 08:48 | <GreyFoxx> | here snappi: http://www.phaze.org/myicescreen.jpg and myicescreen2.jpg |
| 08:48 | <GreyFoxx> | Those are snaps from my current desktop |
| 09:04 | <Snappi> | thx |
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| 09:57 | <Snappi> | when I run mythtvfilldatabase I get a line that says End of XMLTV output than it freeses |
| 09:57 | <Snappi> | is this normal |
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| 10:06 | <chiphead> | chutt, thor_, kvandivo, Not sure what the problem was, but wiped everything verified the environment and rebuild this morning and all is well. Sorry for the trouble. |
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| 10:11 | <mikegrb> | silly chiphead |
| 10:16 | <chiphead> | :P |
| 10:17 | * | chiphead slaps mikegrb around with a large trout |
| 10:20 | <pahli_bar> | aha. thats what i was looking for yesterday to slap sfr with |
| 10:20 | * | chiphead loans pahli_bar his large slapping trout |
| 10:21 | <pahli_bar> | chiphead: mirc? |
| 10:21 | <chiphead> | nope. |
| 10:21 | <chiphead> | xchat proxied through irssi |
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| 10:35 | <o_cee> | hey all |
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| 10:36 | <o_cee> | chutt, did you put in that patch that changes the selected (and pressed) choice some way? look like the text in gant now goes white when pressed and there's load time? correct? |
| 10:36 | <pahli_bar> | o_cee: hi there. |
| 10:36 | <o_cee> | or has it always been like that? |
| 10:36 | <o_cee> | heya pahli_bar, what did you do to mythgallery? haven't tried it yet :) any new features? |
| 10:37 | <dja> | o_cee: he put the patch in |
| 10:37 | <o_cee> | i can't find the commit message dammit :/ |
| 10:37 | <o_cee> | would be nice to change the look of it in theme.xml |
| 10:38 | <dja> | Now if someone would modify the "popups" so they did the same thing (selecting "delete" can sometimes take a few seconds, and I never know if it's my crappy remote or myth taking a little while :-) |
| 10:40 | <o_cee> | hehe, yeah, i know what you mean :) |
| 10:42 | <pahli_bar> | o_cee: hey. nothing spectacular. try it out :) |
| 10:43 | <o_cee> | yeah, i will :) did you fix the transition effect that never worked? |
| 10:43 | <pahli_bar> | o_cee: working on it now |
| 10:43 | <o_cee> | cool |
| 10:47 | <pahli_bar> | chutt was looking for you yesterday |
| 10:48 | <o_cee> | yeah, i've been hiding :) |
| 10:53 | <thor_> | chiphead, wierd |
| 10:55 | <o_cee> | hi thor |
| 10:55 | <chiphead> | thor_, yeah... not sure what the problem was.. I havent changed anything in my build env for atleast a month |
| 10:55 | <thor_> | hey |
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| 11:05 | <pahli_bar> | thor_: any difference between screenwidth and width() for a mythdialog |
| 11:06 | <thor_> | don't think so |
| 11:06 | <thor_> | (It's been a while) |
| 11:07 | <pahli_bar> | ok thanks |
| 11:08 | <pahli_bar> | hmm. should i check in the slideshow transitions and wait for bugreports or beat the crap out of it myself before a checkin. |
| 11:09 | <thor_> | release early, release often :-) |
| 11:10 | <pahli_bar> | good point. |
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| 11:12 | <StuartL> | Afternoon. |
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| 11:13 | <pahli_bar> | comitted. mythgallery has slideshow transitions now. i haven't done very heavy testing with the slideshows, so reports are welcome |
| 11:14 | <thor_> | yah! |
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| 11:15 | <StuartL> | Is there a Magic Way to get Gentoo to download and install all the dependencies (including mysql, alsa, xfree86 etc) for MythTV? |
| 11:15 | <pahli_bar> | StuartL: mailinglist archives |
| 11:17 | <StuartL> | Okee, fankj00 |
| 11:18 | <kvandivo> | StuartL: emerge mythtv |
| 11:19 | <kvandivo> | out of the kindness of my heart |
| 11:19 | <thor_> | ahhh ... sniffle sniffle |
| 11:19 | <StuartL> | That gets 0.12, it seems. |
| 11:19 | <kvandivo> | ahh.. well, file a bug at bugs.gentoo.org telling them to upgrade it |
| 11:19 | <StuartL> | I'm reading a post about convincing it to get 0.13 but there seems to be some disagreement about how to do it :) |
| 11:20 | <kvandivo> | i thought _for sure_ that they had 13r1, though |
| 11:21 | <kvandivo> | yep.. you just need to ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" |
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| 11:22 | <StuartL> | Thanks, just doing a sync first. |
| 11:22 | <StuartL> | Why "~x86" specifically? |
| 11:22 | <StuartL> | ~ = Testing? |
| 11:22 | * | StuartL guesses |
| 11:22 | <kvandivo> | www.gentoo.org |
| 11:22 | <StuartL> | Heh. |
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| 11:27 | <chiphead> | pahli_bar, I see you did the transitions. how you end up doing em? |
| 11:44 | <Chutt> | pahli_bar, very nice |
| 11:51 | <pahli_bar> | chiphead: i had ported the ones in digikam. but i was looking for fade and blend |
| 11:51 | <pahli_bar> | Chutt: thanx |
| 11:51 | <pahli_bar> | did anybody actually test it |
| 11:56 | <sfr> | yepp. works nice on a quick test. and i also didn't any other bugs :) |
| 11:57 | <sfr> | pahli_bar: but maybe add an option to disable transitions. |
| 11:58 | <pahli_bar> | sfr: choose "none" in transitions |
| 11:58 | <pahli_bar> | i just committed a bugfix for that |
| 11:59 | <sfr> | pahli_bar: sorry i'm obviously blind. |
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| 12:10 | <lykke> | Anyone know's the Terratec Cinergy 400 TV... I'am thinking of buying this card! |
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| 12:12 | <KikoV> | is Terratec supported by Linux? |
| 12:12 | <KikoV> | I don't think so |
| 12:13 | <sfr> | some of their soundcards are |
| 12:13 | <lykke> | no? |
| 12:13 | <KikoV> | only 2 |
| 12:14 | <KikoV> | base 1 and base 64 |
| 12:14 | <KikoV> | http://www.linux.org.uk/OSS/, let's see with alsa |
| 12:15 | <KikoV> | Cinergy isn't in Soundcards matrix |
| 12:15 | <sfr> | lykke: find out what chips are on that card and check if bttv supports it or if there is an alternative v4l driver |
| 12:15 | <KikoV> | http://www.alsa-project.org/~goemon/ |
| 12:15 | <KikoV> | umm, TV? |
| 12:16 | <lykke> | I just talked to a guy at linux.dk yesterday he use this card! |
| 12:18 | <overridex> | has anyone here made this ir blaster? http://www.lirc.org/improved_transmitter.html |
| 12:25 | <lykke> | Hmm... I'am still looking for an good budget card... any suggestion's :) |
| 12:27 | <pahli_bar> | lykke: depends on what your budget is :) |
| 12:29 | <lykke> | oahli_bar: not as much as the hauppage pvr350 ... |
| 12:29 | <pahli_bar> | lykke: avermedia has a clearance on M179 which are very similar to pvr250. |
| 12:29 | <lykke> | ok :) |
| 12:29 | <Henk_Poley> | lykke: Cinergy is a good card, I own a 600 |
| 12:30 | <Henk_Poley> | it is supported |
| 12:30 | <lykke> | Henk_Poley: What about the audio part? |
| 12:30 | <pahli_bar> | lykke: also some online retailers have their new card (M150) which will soon be supported by ivtv |
| 12:30 | <Henk_Poley> | you need to compile the saa7134, and you can patch a 2.6.0 so you can use the remote |
| 12:30 | <Henk_Poley> | lykke: the audio works on my machine too |
| 12:31 | <lykke> | Henk_Poley: OK... |
| 12:31 | <Henk_Poley> | I hope I can get it to work on my hardware that I will receive in some days |
| 12:31 | <Henk_Poley> | modprobe saa7134 oss=1 |
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