TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#mythtv:2003:04:07

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12:33	<nziarek>	is greensquatch author here?
12:50	<nziarek>	what uses the settings container?
12:50	<nziarek>	for the OSD
12:57	<nziarek>	moegreen: on the playback/delete boxes, are you offering a way to move/remove the words "please choose a recording" as well as misc graphics (such as a title, or a background TV)
13:38	<Chutt>	nziarek, the settings container is used for some random messages, like the 'bookmark set' and 'mute on', etc
13:39	<nziarek>	for basedialog, is the deafult a box around the options?
13:40	<Chutt>	yeah, but you can make it an image like a checkbox or whatnot
13:40	<Chutt>	or a big highlight box like the playback box has
13:40	<Chutt>	there's commented out stuff showing how to do that in current defaultosd
13:41	<nziarek>	ok...i keep looking at blueOSD
13:41	<nziarek>	maybe that is my problem :)
13:46	<nziarek>	can things slide in like they slide out?
13:47	<Chutt>	no, but i could make that happen
13:47	<nziarek>	is it too processor intensive?
13:47	<nziarek>	i hesitate getting too fancy
13:47	<Chutt>	naw, wouldn't be any more than it is now
13:47	<nziarek>	ok, than make that an official request :)
13:48	<Chutt>	dunno when i'll be able to do it, though
13:48	<nziarek>	that's fine
13:48	<nziarek>	i still have a lot of work to do on a normal one
14:21	<moegreen>	nziarek: all the wording and graphics are setup using the XML file (except the popup delete confirmation). I can email you the XML file and you can check it out - it's pretty much finished.
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14:33	<nziarek>	moegreen: if you get a chance, send it to nathanial.ziarek at mu.edu
14:35	<moegreen>	nziarek: on it's way
14:35	<nziarek>	got it :)
14:38	<nziarek>	ideally, then, will each "module" have its own thread in this same file, or different ones?
14:46	<moegreen>	nziarek: that's what the <window> tag is for, each section of the code (the program guide, the program finder, conflict screen, mythweather, mythmusic)
14:47	<nziarek>	moegreen: gotcha, looks good and relatively easy to understand :) is it all based on an 800x600 screen?
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14:51	<moegreen>	nziarek: yeah, but within a container each item is based of the container's x and y coordinates - I will probably change that though (to make it all relative to the top left of the screen
14:52	<nziarek>	moegreen: hmmm...having the coordinates from the container might make it harder to initially understand, but then if you want to move the container over a smidge, you only have to change one number, instead of everything inside the container.
14:53	<moegreen>	good point
14:54	<nziarek>	i don't know which is better; this is why I am glad you are the expert and I just like photoshop =)
14:57	<nziarek>	I found the EULA on Microsoft's website pertaining to their free fonts and they said that they could be duplicated, so long as they were not changed and the EULA was included with the files. So, does that make it OK to distribute the vedrana font with my theme?
14:57	<nziarek>	any lawyers in the mix :)
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15:11	<Chutt>	nziarek, you have to distribute them in the original packaging
15:11	<Chutt>	the .exe/.cab files or whatnot
15:11	<Chutt>	so we really can't distribute em in the theme
15:11	<nziarek>	dang
15:12	<Chutt>	yup
15:12	<Chutt>	fonts suck
15:12	<nziarek>	for being as necessary as they are =)
15:13	<nziarek>	well, maybe I can find a freeware one that looks similar
15:13	<moegreen>	nziarek: why don't design/create some fonts :) heh
15:14	<nziarek>	moegreen: i've never even attempted; i imagine they aren't too easy, but it is a thought I'll look into. It would be sweet to make my own font =)
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15:41	<TheAsp>	You here chutt?
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16:00	<mdz_>	it can't be that hard to make a bitmap iso-8859-1 font
16:01	<TheAsp>	only 190 or so charactors to make
16:02	<TheAsp>	or maybe its 220
16:02	<TheAsp>	since you are here, you can probably answer...
16:02	<sc00p>	mdz_: do you still have a copy of your mplayer rc4 patch?
16:02	<TheAsp>	do you think i should do my autodeletion stuff more like tivo's?
16:03	<Chutt>	i dunno
16:04	<Chutt>	never used a tivo
16:04	<TheAsp>	http://www.pvrcompare.com/tivoimages.html <-- top right, read description
16:04	<TheAsp>	thats as close to a tivo as i've ever gotten :)
16:05	<mdz_>	sc00p: probably not; I don't save them. use the latest one
16:06	<Chutt>	theasp, however you want to do it's fine with me, really
16:08	<TheAsp>	ok
16:08	<TheAsp>	i was hoping you had an opinion though :)
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16:31	<TheAsp>	stupid floating point error
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16:59	<inman>	there was a very simple C++ neural net class posted to flipcode recently.
16:59	<inman>	how about using it to do the auto-deletion?
16:59	<inman>	give it inputs like genre, program name, times viewed, length, etc.
17:01	<Chutt>	please tell me you're joking :p
17:02	<inman>	nope. :-)
17:02	<inman>	did you look it up?
17:02	<mdz_>	how do you think you would train it? wait for the user to delete things manually over a year or so?
17:03	<inman>	it wouldn't take that long, and yes.
17:03	<inman>	you wouldn't have to train it at all to start with, and it couldn't be much worse than a naive deletion heuristic.
17:04	<inman>	eg. you start by having the naive deletion train it with each choice it makes.
17:04	<mdz_>	which is already a lot worse than the current situation, which is not to automatically delete everything
17:04	<inman>	as the user deletes stuff manually, it informs the net.
17:04	<poptix>	heh
17:05	<inman>	mdz: i don't understand. are you saying the lack of automatic deletion is a feature?
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17:06	<knight>	hey
17:06	<knight>	I've been working on MythWeb... I added some stuff to the Music section in MythWeb
17:06	<mdz_>	inman: no, I'm just saying that it makes sense
17:07	<knight>	http://www.phunc.com/mythtv/mythweb-music.gif if you're interested in seeing a peek
17:07	<inman>	mdz_: the lack of auto-deletion makes sense?
17:08	<poptix>	i'd hate to see that go awry
17:08	<TheAsp>	inman: it would take a long time to train it...
17:08	<moegreen>	knight: neat ... does it play the music - or is this just a list?
17:08	<inman>	you guys are party poopers.
17:09	<TheAsp>	inman: look at how pissed off people get at tivo's auto selections
17:09	<inman>	TheAsp: who said anything about that?
17:09	<mdz_>	inman: yes
17:09	<knight>	moegreen, at the moment it links to the mp3 files (requiring a symbolic link to your mount)
17:09	<inman>	i'm saying you ship it trained with the default heuristic.
17:09	<knight>	and it generates dynamic m3u's
17:09	<mdz_>	right now everything that is recorded is explicitly requested by the user
17:09	<TheAsp>	inman: friends of mine with tivo's who don't want the crap it records?
17:09	<knight>	i'm going to add functionality to pull the playlists from the database also
17:09	<mdz_>	and I do not think it makes sense for the program to delete something the user has explicitly requested
17:10	<inman>	TheAsp: i have a tivo. you can turn off the suggested recordings.
17:10	<inman>	you guys are confused.
17:10	<inman>	i'm not talking about /recording/.
17:10	<TheAsp>	yes, i know you can turn it off
17:10	<inman>	i'm talking about /deletion/.
17:10	<TheAsp>	it's worse for deletion :)
17:10	<knight>	so you can stream the mp3s simply by clicking on a folder to load up an m3u
17:10	<knight>	and the folders are all dhtml
17:10	<inman>	tivo deletes stuff it has suggested first, then the oldest programs first.
17:10	<TheAsp>	would you be more pissed of if a) Friends was recorded or b) Simpsons was deleted?
17:11	<inman>	what the fsck are you talking about?
17:11	<Timon>	Friends recorded :-)
17:11	<inman>	arg, this is a waste of time.
17:11	* inman	leaves.
17:11	<TheAsp>	heh
17:11	<Timon>	knight, heres a suggestion. If the db has time info for each file, you could write some javascript to stream the next file as it the current file ends
17:11	<inman>	TheAsp: please make the deletion function somewhat modular so i can swap in my net?
17:12	<TheAsp>	you can ^W anything of mine you want :)
17:12	<poptix>	inman: the only way i'd want it auto-deleting anything, would be if i were very very close to running out of disk space
17:12	<knight>	Timon, I have enough javascript as it is. trying to avoid it as much as possible to maintain compatibility with all browsers
17:12	<knight>	Timon, but yes, the db has time info for each file.
17:12	<inman>	poptix: that is precisely what i'm talking about.
17:12	<inman>	poptix: what i WAS talking about, anyway.
17:12	<knight>	The idea is you click on playlists
17:12	* inman	should be working.
17:13	<knight>	and let your mp3 player handle the blending
17:13	<TheAsp>	no, you are talking about putting AI into the deletion algorythm...
17:13	<poptix>	inman: and then, i'd want it to take into account 1) what i record most 2) what shows have been saved for the longest time (take a hint that yeah, i do want to save those long-term) and 3) check to see if i've watched it or not
17:13	<TheAsp>	someone buy me a dictionary :P
17:13	<TheAsp>	poptix: i have all but #3
17:13	<TheAsp>	just because
17:13	<poptix>	well
17:13	<TheAsp>	i dont want to put the extra column in yet
17:13	<Timon>	knight: it shouldn't be hard to make it cross platform, the setTimeout method has been around since js v1 and there really aren't any dom issues using an array and setTimeout
17:14	<poptix>	it would suck to record a star trek marathon and start deleting lastnights stargate =/
17:14	<knight>	Why would you want javascript to manage your playlist?
17:14	<TheAsp>	well, i dont take into account what you record most
17:14	<knight>	That seems silly
17:14	<knight>	Let the mp3 players handle it
17:14	<Timon>	knight: not to manage, but to handle them off to my mp3 app.
17:14	<knight>	Why build what is already taken care of?
17:15	<Timon>	knight: I dunno, it just kinda seemed like a neat idea
17:15	<TheAsp>	but you will be able to set what schedules you want to keep longer
17:15	<Timon>	knight: because your route your handlng a m3u file to the mp3 player, what if the users mp3 player doesn't handle m3u files/
17:15	<knight>	WHat mp3 player doesn't handle m3u files?
17:15	<knight>	mpg123 does, xmms does
17:15	<knight>	winamp does
17:16	<knight>	WMP does
17:16	<knight>	I can't imagine someone having an mp3 player that doesn't support m3u
17:16	<Timon>	I dunno, I'm just brining it up. Trying to look at the issue from every angle
17:16	<Timon>	iPod :-)
17:16	<knight>	yeah
17:16	<knight>	haha
17:16	<knight>	who uses their iPod to stream?
17:17	<Timon>	no one that I know of, it was meant as a jok
17:17	<Timon>	e
17:17	<knight>	oh :)
17:18	<Timon>	THe bigger question is. . . Can you even use your ipod to stream? ;-)
17:18	<knight>	heh
17:19	* Timon	still remembers about 3 years ago when some guy in canada had his scanner hooked up to his computer and shoutcast'd cell phone calls. That was a hoot
17:19	<knight>	yeah
17:20	<Timon>	But I digress
17:24	<Timon>	I submitted a patch a while back for mythmusic to change the visualizer after every song (Was configurable) but didn't hear anything about it. You know anything? Did it get missed? Should I re-submit?
17:26	<knight>	yeah resubmit
17:26	<knight>	I'd like that
17:26	<knight>	I was just playing with the visualizer today, and hated that i had to exit it to change it all the time
17:26	<Timon>	Me too, thats why I submited it the first time :-)
17:27	<knight>	:)
17:27	<knight>	and the fact that it is configurable helps
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17:27	<TheAsp>	man the "watch recordings" screen takes forever to pop up
17:27	<Timon>	Ok, I'll re-apply my patch against current CVS and then remake the patch. Knight, you want to test it / do a code review?
17:28	<bbeattie>	Who is the maintainer of the debian files for mythtv?
17:28	<TheAsp>	mdz
17:28	<TheAsp>	issues?
17:28	<bbeattie>	yes
17:28	<mdz_>	remove all old myth binaries and libraries from your system before using the packages
17:29	<bbeattie>	the mythtv-database tries to connect and create the database, even before asking for password or username.
17:29	<Timon>	knight: It will be a bit, current CVS changed enough that 4 of 9 hunks failed so I have to figure that out.
17:29	<bbeattie>	mdz_: done, even reinstalled mysql, complete purge and locate of maything mysql or mythtv and removed it
17:29	<mdz_>	bbeattie: what version?
17:29	<mdz_>	of mythtv-database
17:29	<mdz_>	current is 0.8-10
17:30	<bbeattie>	mdz: 0.8-10
17:30	<TheAsp>	mdz: you still going to be messing with the manage schedule screen?
17:30	<mdz_>	bbeattie: in that case, it is asking for the mysql password at debconf priority "HIGH"
17:30	<mdz_>	meaning that your priority must be set to something higher than that if you are not seeing the question
17:30	<bbeattie>	my question is this, what is the process/how is the username & password process done?
17:30	<mdz_>	bbeattie: run dpkg-reconfigure debconf
17:31	<mdz_>	I just increased it in the last release because apparently there are a lot of people with their priority set to high
17:31	<mdz_>	who, despite being uncomfortable about being asked configuration questions, proceed to set their mysql password by hand
17:31	<TheAsp>	heh
17:32	<mdz_>	bbeattie: when you run dpkg-reconfigure debconf, it will ask you for a priority. make sure it is set to "high" or lower
17:32	<mdz_>	bbeattie: if you suppress the question, it has no choice but to assume that you have not changed the password from the default
17:32	<knight>	Timon, ahhh
17:32	<bbeattie>	mdz_: I believe I had it at medium, checking.
17:32	<mdz_>	if it was at medium, you would have seen the question
17:32	<bbeattie>	mdz_: mysql is setup to whatever it is by default install.
17:32	<mdz_>	even in 0.8-9
17:32	<mdz_>	bbeattie: you didn't change the password?
17:33	<mdz_>	in that case, it should just work
17:33	<mdz_>	it doesn't need to ask for the password unless you changed it
17:33	<bbeattie>	mdz_: that what I thought (checking through the debian conf files for mythtv-database) would do, but it errors out with...
17:34	<TheAsp>	can you use a remote with irda?
17:34	<bbeattie>	Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and
17:34	<bbeattie>	host-based authentication failed
17:34	<mdz_>	TheAsp: sometimes
17:34	<Timon>	knight: My patch file made much more sense to me two weeks ago :-)
17:35	<mdz_>	bbeattie: ok, that has nothing whatsoever to do with the database
17:36	<TheAsp>	that means it worked . . . :P
17:36	<bbeattie>	mdz_: odd, it installed this time, with security set to high, that error is new for me, I was getting (before) "Couldn't connect.... using Password=yes, or something like that.
17:36	<bbeattie>	mdz_: It installed mythtv-database for the first time... Any idea what that error means?
17:37	<mdz_>	bbeattie: if you cannot reproduce it, probably your system had some cruft left over from a previous installation or something
17:37	<mdz_>	I have installed the packages from scratch on several different machines and I know that they work, both with the default setup, and when prompting for a password
17:38	<bbeattie>	mdz_: strace of starting the backend shows, "read(3, "\377\25\4Access denied for user: \'myth"..., 67) = 67"
17:39	<mdz_>	bbeattie: /usr/share/doc/mythtv-common/README.Debian
17:39	<bbeattie>	mdz_: a mythtv user was created, not a myth user though. What username does mythtv connectoto mysql with?
17:39	<knight>	Timon, heh
17:39	<mdz_>	bbeattie: did you read /usr/share/doc/mythtv-common/README.Debian?
17:40	<mdz_>	my first guess would be that you're trying to run mythtv as a user other than the mythtv user that was created
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17:40	<mdz_>	without adding that user to the mythtv group
17:41	<bbeattie>	I was trying to run the backend as root. trying to run /etc/init.d/myth-backend..... whatever as root returns, "Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and
17:41	<bbeattie>	host-based authentication f failed". As user mythtv, it returns, " Starting MythTV server: mythbackendstart-stop-daemon: Unable to set initgroups() with gid 104
17:42	<Timon>	knight: msg me your email and I'll send you the patch file against current cvs
17:42	<mdz_>	bbeattie: the init script should be run as root. the frontend must be run as mythtv or a user in the mythtv group
17:44	<bbeattie>	mdz_: any idea why I get that error, when attempting to start /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend ?
17:44	<nziarek>	TheASP: i noticed that the playback screen is pretty slow now; i don't know why
17:45	<bbeattie>	mdz_: I understand needing to start mythfrontend as user mythtv. I just need to get the database running. :)
17:46	<bbeattie>	mdz_: the only database in mysql is a "test" database, not a "mythconverg" as listed in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
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17:51	<bbeattie>	mdz_: Where is your documentation on how to completely remove any piece of mythtv and start from scratch? apparently something from pervious attempts is causing problems. I'm back to being unable to purge mythtv-database due to ,"Failed to connect to database: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: YES) at -e line 5, <> line 1." ?
17:52	<bbeattie>	mdz_: (To remove mythtv-backend in the past, I have to go into the conf files for dpkg and remove the checking of the database to get it to purge mythtv.)
17:55	<mdz_>	bbeattie: if the installation succeeded, the purge should succeed as well
17:55	<mdz_>	unless you changed something in between
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17:59	<bbeattie>	mdz_: didn't change anything, no. I removed the function in the remove script for database checking and got the purge to complete. I purged mysql, then attempted a apt-get install mythtv again. It pulls everything down, and fails on mythtv-database with, "Failed to connect to database: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: YES) at -e line 176, <> line 1."
17:59	<rcaskey>	mdz: i'm having problems as well
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18:00	* rcaskey	thinks that breaking mythfrontend's dependency on mysql might be a good goal for .9
18:00	<TheAsp>	mdz: I'm having problems but nothing to do with you :)
18:00	* rcaskey	thinks it might make packaging a good bit easier
18:00	<keyhack>	MythTV is too slow on my machine, pisses me off
18:00	<keyhack>	lol
18:00	<bbeattie>	rcaskey: what are your problems? same as mine?
18:01	<rcaskey>	bbeattie: not anything in particular, just that its more difficult to install than it needs to be
18:01	<Timon>	mdz_: Chutt : coding style question - any requirements on line lengths? ie try to keep lines under 80 chars?
18:02	<nziarek>	rcaskey: does the frontend have a mysql dependency?
18:03	<nziarek>	i would swear I just isntalled a remote frontend without it
18:03	<keyhack>	The video is choppy, my 1.0ghz is not fast enough?
18:03	<TheAsp>	QObject::connect: No such slot ViewScheduled::updateDelPriority()
18:03	* TheAsp	grumbles
18:03	<TheAsp>	keyhack: at what res?
18:03	<nziarek>	keyhack: for live tv orplaying back recorded stuff
18:03	<keyhack>	live play
18:03	<keyhack>	320x480 I believe
18:04	<nziarek>	mpeg4, rtjpeg?
18:04	<TheAsp>	try making your mp3 quality worse...
18:04	<keyhack>	mpeg4
18:04	<rcaskey>	nziarek: I think so
18:04	<keyhack>	my sound doesnt skip
18:04	<keyhack>	its the video
18:04	<TheAsp>	yeah, but sound is taking cpu to encode
18:05	<keyhack>	ok
18:05	<keyhack>	let me go try it
18:05	<keyhack>	brb ok?
18:05	<TheAsp>	it'll throw away frames before making sound skip
18:05	<keyhack>	I didnt have DMA enabled on my HD before
18:05	<keyhack>	so I think that can help improve it
18:05	<knight>	indeed it will improveit
18:06	<nziarek>	that helped me with rtjpeg, not with mpeg4
18:06	<keyhack>	QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket
18:06	<bbeattie>	how stable is current mythtv cvs?
18:07	<keyhack>	hmm
18:07	<keyhack>	4 of them are running
18:07	<keyhack>	lol
18:07	<bbeattie>	#define stable [compiles and runs]
18:07	<nziarek>	bbeattie: i haven't had a problem with it yet
18:07	<keyhack>	ugh
18:08	<keyhack>	im having DB issues now
18:08	<keyhack>	out of friggen nowhere
18:08	<bbeattie>	nziarek: alright. I'm going to build mythtv.. That's how I got it to work when I did it before debian packages came out.
18:08	* keyhack	cries
18:08	<rcaskey>	mdz: but how much work would have to be done to make the frontend not need mysql?
18:08	<keyhack>	wtf happened?
18:08	<nziarek>	bbeattie: good luck
18:09	<keyhack>	ugh, this MythTV thing has been horrendous
18:09	<nziarek>	what distro are you using?
18:09	<keyhack>	Debian
18:09	<nziarek>	oh :)
18:09	<keyhack>	it was just working a few days ago
18:09	<keyhack>	ahhh
18:09	<keyhack>	i remember now
18:09	<keyhack>	its been upgraded
18:09	<keyhack>	now something must be wrong
18:10	<keyhack>	I wonder what settings were ruined
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18:11	<keyhack>	any ideas?
18:11	<keyhack>	keyhack@box:~$ mythtv-setup
18:11	<keyhack>	Unable to open database:
18:11	<keyhack>	Driver error was:
18:11	<keyhack>	QMYSQL3: Unable open database ''
18:11	<keyhack>	Database error was:
18:11	<keyhack>	No Database Selected
18:12	<keyhack>	lol
18:12	<rcaskey>	mdz seems to be in lalaland ;)
18:12	<keyhack>	?
18:12	<Timon>	keyhack, did you import the db structure?
18:12	<TheAsp>	argh
18:12	<Timon>	imysql -u root < /MC/database/cvs.sql
18:12	<keyhack>	Timon: MythTV was working fine last week (except for the laggy video), I did apt-get update/upgrade, it upgraded MythTV, and now its not working
18:13	<Timon>	don't know anything about the apt-get stuff
18:13	<keyhack>	well, it just upgraded MythTV
18:13	<TheAsp>	keyhack: did you restart the backend?
18:13	<keyhack>	yes I did
18:14	<TheAsp>	did you upgrade to mysql4 today?
18:14	<keyhack>	no
18:14	<Timon>	anyone else have problems with mythmusic ignoring the settings file and defaulting?
18:14	<TheAsp>	did I?
18:14	<keyhack>	mysql Ver 11.18 Distrib 3.23.56, for pc-linux-gnu (i686)
18:14	<TheAsp>	msyql -u root -p
18:14	<TheAsp>	type in your password
18:14	<TheAsp>	show databases;
18:15	<TheAsp>	what does it say?
18:15	<TheAsp>	afk for a min
18:15	<keyhack>	mythconverg
18:15	<keyhack>	theres one of em
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18:18	<TheAsp>	whats in your mysql.txt?
18:19	<mdz_>	bbeattie: I don't know why it would fail on a clean initial installation
18:19	<mdz_>	bbeattie: it definitely works here
18:19	<mdz_>	bbeattie: using the defaults for every single prompt
18:19	<mdz_>	bbeattie: if you didn't do that, try it
18:20	<TheAsp>	ARGH! so every subclass of infodialog has to implement any slots i want to use in it?
18:20	<keyhack>	TheAsp: Where is that again?
18:20	<bbeattie>	mdz_: I'm not asked any questions... no prompts.
18:20	<TheAsp>	where is what?
18:20	<TheAsp>	mysql.txt?
18:20	<keyhack>	mysql.txt
18:21	<TheAsp>	did you use the deb?
18:21	<bbeattie>	mdz_: except for the database host for localhost, which I just hit return on.
18:21	<TheAsp>	or install by hand?
18:21	<keyhack>	nevermind
18:21	<keyhack>	I got it
18:21	<bbeattie>	mdz_: but come to think of it, I havn't been asked that recently.
18:21	<keyhack>	user/pass = mythtv
18:22	<mdz_>	bbeattie: that's odd
18:22	<mdz_>	bbeattie: are you sure mythtv-database is getting purged completely?
18:22	<mdz_>	if you purge it, it should ask the questions again
18:23	<keyhack>	ugh
18:23	* keyhack	is mad
18:23	<TheAsp>	mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg
18:23	<TheAsp>	can you use that password with it?
18:23	<bbeattie>	mdz_: I'm wondering if even after a purge, things are being left over. I don't "know" I do the purge, then do a locate for anything "myth" and remove thatn, then went through all /etc/* files and remove groups and all for muth relations.
18:24	<keyhack>	TheAsp: yes.
18:24	<mdz_>	bbeattie: make sure you purge all of the packages
18:24	<mdz_>	bbeattie: mythtv-database handles creating the database and user; everything else is done in mythtv-common
18:24	<keyhack>	Current database: mythconverg
18:24	<TheAsp>	keyhack: are you using the deb?
18:24	<keyhack>	TheAsp: yes
18:25	<keyhack>	i was using the deb before when it was working
18:25	<TheAsp>	shrug
18:25	<keyhack>	bs
18:26	<keyhack>	the backend got into the db just fine
18:26	<keyhack>	so I dont see why I'm getting an error from the frontend
18:27	<keyhack>	so now ideas?
18:27	<keyhack>	no*
18:27	<TheAsp>	noep
18:27	<mdz_>	keyhack: are you sure the frotend has permissions to read mysql.txt?
18:28	<keyhack>	hmm
18:28	<keyhack>	I have to run mythbackend as su
18:28	<keyhack>	root
18:28	<keyhack>	if I dont, I get that db error
18:28	<keyhack>	mdz_: I think that is the problem, here are the permissions "-rw-rw----"
18:28	<keyhack>	user,group,world right?
18:29	<TheAsp>	who owns it?
18:29	<mdz_>	keyhack: you should only start mythbackend as root using /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start
18:29	<keyhack>	TheAsp: mythtv
18:29	<mdz_>	keyhack: and you must run the frontend either as the mythtv user, or another user in the mythtv group, as explained in README.Debian
18:30	<keyhack>	keyhack@box:~$ /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start
18:30	<keyhack>	Starting MythTV server: mythbackendstart-stop-daemon: Unable to set gid to 105
18:30	<mdz_>	keyhack: you must run the init script as root, as I said
18:30	<mdz_>	so that it can setuid to mythtv
18:30	<keyhack>	mdz_: I didnt know README.debian existed
18:31	<keyhack>	box:/home/keyhack# /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start
18:31	<keyhack>	Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Could not open network socket
18:31	<keyhack>	guh
18:31	<keyhack>	I see why, its already running from before
18:31	<keyhack>	nope, thats not why
18:31	<mdz_>	dunno what that session management business is about, some other people see that
18:31	<keyhack>	I'm still getting that error
18:31	<keyhack>	just ignore?
18:31	<mdz_>	if it still starts up, yes, ignore it
18:32	<mdz_>	I'll be back later
18:32	<keyhack>	well
18:32	<keyhack>	what is my mythtv password?
18:34	<keyhack>	I dont remember even setting up a mythtv account
18:34	<TheAsp>	mdz: if you start it outside of X, or you are su'd or something, it will bitch about that
18:34	<TheAsp>	now, someone explain slots to me! :P
18:35	<shad>	mdz: When I turn on jitter reduction, the audio goes out of sync with the video on almost all recordings
18:35	<Chutt>	so don't turn it on
18:35	<shad>	Ya
18:35	<shad>	but
18:35	<shad>	heh
18:35	<shad>	I turned it off
18:35	<nziarek>	doctor it hurts when i do this :)
18:35	* keyhack	is confused
18:35	<Chutt>	but what? the description says it may break stuff
18:36	<shad>	I didn't realize that's what was wrong, and I deleted my recordings already :P
18:36	<keyhack>	what is the default mythtv password?
18:36	<TheAsp>	it shouldnt have one
18:36	<Timon>	mythtv
18:36	<TheAsp>	though i dont use the deb
18:36	<keyhack>	I cannot su to it
18:36	<Chutt>	keyhack, it's not in the README.Debian file?
18:36	<TheAsp>	so it might
18:36	<keyhack>	Chutt: I cannot _find_ that damn file
18:36	<TheAsp>	keyhack: /usr/share/doc/*/README.Debian
18:37	<TheAsp>	most packages have them...
18:37	<shad>	Is there a key sequence to exit mythfrontend?
18:37	<TheAsp>	shad: yes.
18:37	<Chutt>	shad, if you set up one, yes
18:37	<Chutt>	su to it from root, then change the password
18:37	<keyhack>	"This package is set up so that mythtv should be run as the mythtv user."
18:37	<TheAsp>	Chutt: explain this slot sillyness for me :)
18:37	<Chutt>	theasp, no
18:37	<Chutt>	read the qt tutorials
18:38	<shad>	Ah, I see
18:38	<TheAsp>	bah :P
18:38	<shad>	thanks
18:38	<bbeattie>	mdz_: Should mysql have any type of setup done to it? and if there was something changed, (ie, a password added to the root sql user) would mythtv notice this and prompt for a password?
18:38	<keyhack>	hah! there.
18:38	<keyhack>	wait
18:38	<keyhack>	doh.
18:38	<keyhack>	when I add my account to a group, I need to re-login right?
18:39	<Chutt>	bbeattie, mythtv only needs the password during initial setup and upgrading of the database
18:39	<shad>	Heh. thought that option was just for shutdown
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18:44	<keyhack>	well
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18:44	<keyhack>	I got it running now, but the video is still skippy
18:44	<Chutt>	drop the resolution
18:45	<Chutt>	use rtjpeg
18:45	<Chutt>	turn off audio compression
18:45	<Chutt>	make sure dma i on
18:45	<Chutt>	is on
18:45	<Chutt>	etc
18:45	<Chutt>	or, spend $100 and buy a faster computer.
18:45	<keyhack>	when I get my new tower, (which is on way over backorder) I was going to get a faster mobo and cpu
18:46	<poptix>	heh
18:46	<TheAsp>	keyhack: petition the NTSC to get everyone to broadcast at a lower framerate...
18:46	<Chutt>	poptix, wintv pvr-250 gets delivered tomorrow
18:46	<poptix>	Chutt: sweet
18:46	<poptix>	keyhack: you can buy an athlon xp 2200, with motherboard and cpu fan for $119
18:47	<poptix>	holy fucking shit
18:47	<poptix>	oh man
18:47	<poptix>	my girlfriends cell phone was hidden on top of my monitor
18:47	<poptix>	screen went all crazy, speakers starting spewing out noises
18:48	<keyhack>	alright
18:48	<moegreen>	chutt plans to have mythtv ready to use the pvr-250 by wednesday afternoon :)
18:48	<keyhack>	the video is smoothe now
18:48	<TheAsp>	oh
18:48	<poptix>	and it started vibrating
18:48	<keyhack>	but its a few seconds behind sound
18:48	<TheAsp>	sweet
18:48	<keyhack>	and when I quit MythTV
18:48	<keyhack>	I still hear the TV, lol
18:48	<TheAsp>	Chutt: why didnt you tell me i just had a typo? :)
18:48	<Chutt>	keyhack, that's addressed in the docs
18:48	<poptix>	keyhack: you have your audio turned up incorrectly
18:48	<Chutt>	keyhack, your mixer isn't setup properly, basically
18:48	<keyhack>	Line1 muted, PCM up right?
18:48	<poptix>	moegreen: heh =)
18:49	<Chutt>	keyhack, it really depends on your soundcard/drivers
18:49	<Chutt>	different ones need different settings :(
18:49	<keyhack>	well, I turned down my TV line, and turned up my sound line, and i hear nothing
18:50	<Chutt>	if you have an igain setting, make sure that's turned up
18:50	<Chutt>	and the correct input is set to capture
18:50	<Chutt>	or if you have a 'capture' setting instead of igain
18:50	* poptix	adds HAUP to his stock ticker
18:50	<keyhack>	the input should be set to my tv line right?
18:50	<moegreen>	Chutt: I've got the parse functions out of the playbackbox and into an xmlparse class - sound good?
18:50	<Chutt>	depends on where you have it plugged into your soundcard
18:51	<Chutt>	moegreen, sure
18:51	<Chutt>	heh, someone wrote into the ivtv list about my website posting
18:51	<Chutt>	funny
18:51	<poptix>	Chutt: =P
18:52	<Timon>	Question. . . I get this error message on a compile: mainvisual.cpp:105: passing `const QStringList' as `this' argument of `QStringList& QStringList::operator=(const QStringList&)' discards qualifiers
18:52	<Timon>	heres lines 104 and 105: QString visualname = gContext->GetSetting("VisualMode");
18:52	<Timon>	allowed_modes = QStringList::split(",", visualname);
18:53	<Timon>	Anyone have any ideas how to fix the damn error? Or even what the problem is?
18:53	<keyhack>	lmfao
18:53	<keyhack>	You don't have any channels defined in the database
18:53	<keyhack>	This isn't going to work.
18:53	<keyhack>	Floating point exception
18:53	<Chutt>	timon, you can't modify a const object
18:54	<Timon>	what object is const?
18:54	<Chutt>	keyhack, you haven't run mythfilldatabase?
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18:54	<Chutt>	timon, i wouldn't know
18:54	<Chutt>	probably allowed_modes
18:54	<Timon>	and how am I modifying it? That line is identical to the one 10 lines up used in MainVisual::setVisual
18:54	<poptix>	Chutt: it's nice to have some fairly good quality hardware at a decent price for doing the whole PVR thing
18:55	<keyhack>	Chutt: no
18:55	<keyhack>	Chutt: just did now lol
18:55	<Chutt>	keyhack, so, basically, you're totally ignoring the documentation, right?
18:55	<keyhack>	Chutt: what documentation!!!!
18:56	<Chutt>	urm. the massive amounts of well-written step-by-step setup docs at http://www.mythtv.org/docs/
18:56	<poptix>	hahaha
18:56	<Chutt>	poptix, ended up paying $80 for the card, too =) $50 amazon gift certificate, $130 at amazon, free shipping
18:56	<poptix>	Chutt: nifty
18:57	<poptix>	keyhack: did you compile from source?
18:57	<keyhack>	poptix: no
18:57	<Chutt>	he's using the debs
18:57	<poptix>	ah.
18:57	<poptix>	damned precompiled binaries.
18:57	<Chutt>	they work fine
18:57	<poptix>	the postinstall script should fire up lynx http://www.mythtv.org/docs
18:57	<Chutt>	you still can't ignore the setup docs, though =)
18:57	<moegreen>	poptix: did applying the v4l2 patch to your kernel source hose your videodev.h? The file works for the ivtv driver, but everything else complains - so I have to modify the include to point to a pre-patch version
18:58	<Chutt>	hey, do these pvr cards do CC at all?
18:58	<poptix>	moegreen: the only problem i've had, on some weird systems, was a conflicting definition somewhere
18:58	<poptix>	Chutt: yes
18:58	<Chutt>	how is the data encoded?
18:58	<poptix>	they'll give you a VBI interface just like the other cards
18:58	<keyhack>	woa, I've never done a cronjob before
18:59	<poptix>	Chutt: i believe there's also an option to have the card insert the VBI data into the mpeg stream
18:59	<Chutt>	and .mpg files don't have a seektable, i don't think
18:59	<Chutt>	i'm thinking of storing some more of that info in the database
18:59	<Chutt>	do some real lightweight demuxing to see where I frames are, etc
19:00	<Chutt>	then dump the seektable into the db for that file type
19:00	<Chutt>	i don't _think_ it'll be too hard to support stuff
19:01	<bbeattie>	mdz_: do you know anything about the 'debian-sys-maint' user?
19:02	<poptix>	Chutt: someone wrote a mythburn module or something, right?
19:02	<Chutt>	i dunno
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19:02	<Chutt>	i haven't checked it out, really
19:02	<Chutt>	been really busy :(
19:02	<poptix>	i'm considering whipping something up for burning DVD's and CD-R's
19:03	<poptix>	aka, DVD's and VCD's
19:03	<inman>	leandro submitted an initial mythburn.
19:03	<inman>	it sounds like he would appreciate your feedback.
19:03	<poptix>	well, i wouldn't actually be using it
19:03	<poptix>	=p
19:04	<knight>	OK, I've addedmp3 and playlist support to MythWeb in the music section
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19:04	<Chutt>	knight, nice.
19:04	<vektor>	Chutt: Did you have a Matrox G400 with the mjpeg capture stuff?
19:04	<Chutt>	i have a g200
19:04	<vektor>	(or G200 or whatever)?
19:04	<knight>	screenshots at: http://www.phunc.com/mythtv/mythweb-music1.jpg http://www.phunc.com/mythtv/mythweb-music2.jpg and http://www.phunc.com/mythtv/mythweb-music3.jpg
19:04	<keyhack>	well, I think its time I get a new TV card
19:04	<vektor>	Can you use XVideo while you capture in raw mode?
19:04	<Chutt>	but it's in my slow box
19:04	<Chutt>	vektor, i don't recall, i thought i could
19:05	<vektor>	You never got mythtv working on it?
19:05	<inman>	heh
19:05	<Chutt>	i'm using the mjpeg mode with it
19:05	* keyhack	has like the first Hauppauge card
19:05	<vektor>	oh.
19:05	<moegreen>	knight: your screenshots are mia
19:05	<vektor>	And the mjpeg code does work fine with XVideo ?
19:05	<Chutt>	knight, 404
19:05	<knight>	oh one sec
19:05	<knight>	forgot to scp them :)
19:05	<Chutt>	vektor, when i'm capturing in mjpeg mode, i can use xv to output other stuff, yes
19:06	<knight>	check now
19:06	<vektor>	Chutt: Cool, ok then.
19:06	<Chutt>	knight, can it save playlists back to the db format?
19:06	<vektor>	thanks.
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19:07	<knight>	not yet
19:07	<knight>	I havent added editting yet
19:07	<Chutt>	ah
19:07	<Chutt>	ok
19:07	<knight>	It's just for playback
19:07	<knight>	from remote
19:07	<knight>	streaming
19:07	<Chutt>	looks nice, though =)
19:07	<knight>	btw, the trees are in dhtml
19:07	<moegreen>	indeed, good stuff
19:07	<knight>	so it doesnt refresh
19:08	<inman>	slick
19:08	<keyhack>	Where does MythTV get its listings from?
19:08	<knight>	I want to clean this up a little bit, then release a patch
19:08	<Chutt>	keyhack, xmltv
19:08	<moegreen>	Chutt: I think I might hit up the program finder next (for the XML ui stuff). I think it should be real quick now that I've got all the XML parsing stuff and UI objects done
19:09	<Chutt>	moegreen, sure, that's cool
19:09	<Chutt>	how 'bout like the view conflicts screen?
19:09	<Chutt>	i saw that the list stuff was pretty abstracted, now, too
19:09	<Chutt>	and feel free to commit whenever you think it's ready
19:09	<poptix>	blah.
19:09	<poptix>	my wintv card is borked somehow
19:10	<moegreen>	I've got to add another font to the list for the 'current recording', but then it should be good to go
19:10	<keyhack>	poptix: I've had this WinTV card since, 96 I wanna say?
19:11	<poptix>	v4l: timeout (got SIGALRM), hardware/driver problems?
19:11	<poptix>	ioctl: VIDIOCSYNC(int=0): Interrupted system call
19:11	<Chutt>	ah, bbl
19:11	<moegreen>	The list should almost be a drop in replacement for the array of labels that the program finder uses - which is good :)
19:11	<poptix>	xawtv works fine in overlay mode, but dies in grabdisplay mode
19:11	<keyhack>	poptix: doesnt die on me in grabdisplay, it becomes ultra "liney"
19:12	<inman>	poptix: what does your lspci -v look like for your pvr card?
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19:12	<moegreen>	inman: 00:0f.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc: Unknown device 0803 (rev 01)
19:12	<inman>	00:0a.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC15 MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)
19:13	<inman>	you have a 250?
19:13	<moegreen>	yeah, i don't have the drivers loaded right now - not sure if that changes it
19:13	<inman>	it won't.
19:14	<poptix>	inman: this is for my regular wintv card that i'm having problems
19:14	<moegreen>	inman: what kernel version?
19:14	<inman>	poptix: yeah, my question was unrelated. :-)
19:14	<poptix>	00:0d.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC15 MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)
19:14	<inman>	moegreen: 2.4.20-gentoo-r2
19:14	<poptix>	Subsystem: Hauppauge computer works Inc.: Unknown device 4001
19:14	<poptix>	Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 10
19:14	<poptix>	Memory at c8000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=64M]
19:14	<poptix>	Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2
19:15	<moegreen>	hmmm...I'm running 2.4.20 as well
19:15	<inman>	mine is "device 4001". wonder what that means.
19:15	<inman>	moegreen: i don't have the ivtv drivers loaded atm.
19:16	<keyhack>	Wouldn't uncompressed sound fill up my HD rather fast?
19:16	<moegreen>	looks like we should have a decent test base for the card and mythtv :)
19:19	<knight>	heh
19:20	<TheAsp>	how much is that card?
19:20	<knight>	uncompressed sound wouldn't nearly take up as much space as most compressed video
19:20	<moegreen>	TheAsp: about 130
19:20	<TheAsp>	US? not bad
19:20	<moegreen>	yeah
19:20	<TheAsp>	does mpeg2 reencode well into mpeg4?
19:20	<knight>	full quality uncompressed audio is like 10Mbytes/minute right?
19:21	<keyhack>	man