| 00:04 | <moegreen> | PeteCool: I probably will, but i'm sure someone will find a reason to complain - because it does look pretty bad on a monitor |
| 00:04 | <Chutt> | moegreen, qt's already got fairly generalized xml reading classes |
| 00:04 | <Chutt> | i'm just envisioning a lot of code shared between the different screens to read in layout files |
| 00:06 | <moegreen> | Chutt: right ... i haven't coded in the layout data yet, just the colors. And it check to see if there is a file in the theme's directory to replace the default png files |
| 00:06 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 00:06 | <Chutt> | been playin zelda |
| 00:06 | <Chutt> | no time for code =) |
| 00:07 | <moegreen> | :) |
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| 00:32 | <moegreen> | http://untzuntz.com/mythtv/playback/tutorial/ |
| 00:34 | <moegreen> | (there will be a quiz in the morning) |
| 00:35 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:35 | <Chutt> | excellent |
| 00:35 | <nyquiljer> | moegreen: that is really cool |
| 00:39 | <moegreen> | and it's *Official* :) |
| 00:43 | <Chutt> | why do people submit patches with lots of useless indenting/whitespace changes? |
| 00:43 | <Chutt> | like, totally unrelated sections to what they've modified, aside from adding a space or two |
| 00:47 | <inman> | maybe they are trying to clean up the code? |
| 00:48 | <Chutt> | maybe you don't know what you're talking about? |
| 00:48 | <inman> | i know that the code doesn't use consistent ws. |
| 00:49 | <Chutt> | then cleaning it up would be making it consistent |
| 00:49 | <Chutt> | not introducing yet another style |
| 00:49 | <inman> | your comment didn't clearly indicate that they were introducing new style. |
| 00:52 | <foom> | well in any case cleaning-up-spacing patches shouldn't be submitted with any changes embedded |
| 00:52 | <inman> | i agree with that. :-) |
| 00:54 | <Ndiin> | Perhaps simply ask people to use diff -uBb, that would eliminate such problems in the future. |
| 00:55 | <Chutt> | that makes things even harder to read |
| 00:55 | <Chutt> | i don't apply patches without reading them over, first |
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| 00:55 | <Chutt> | and i usually apply them by hand |
| 00:55 | <Ndiin> | Bb is just newline and whitespace changes ignored |
| 00:56 | <Chutt> | ndiin, and it makes very messy diffs |
| 00:56 | <Chutt> | if, for instance, you need to change indenting because of a new control clause |
| 00:56 | <inman> | Ndiin: sometimes indentation changes |
| 00:56 | <Ndiin> | True. |
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| 01:01 | <Chutt> | ndiin, i was going to apply your mythmusic changes, but now it's going to wait until i have more time :p |
| 01:03 | <Ndiin> | Thats fine with me.. Most of the extra changes in it were actually because of changes in thor's playlists, I basically just adapted Joe's patch to work with the changes |
| 01:03 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 01:04 | <Chutt> | figured it'd be easier to use your updated patch, rather than redo what you did in updating it already |
| 01:05 | <Ndiin> | I actually took out quite a few silly changes (moving open brackets to new lines, etc) that were in the straight diff |
| 01:05 | <Ndiin> | but that became irksome, to say the least |
| 01:12 | <inman> | anyone notice problems with pgup/pgdn jumping? |
| 01:12 | <Chutt> | which screen? |
| 01:12 | <inman> | i'm seeing really weird jumping if i just jump all over the place. |
| 01:13 | <inman> | i'm waitching a 3hr recording. |
| 01:13 | <inman> | initially, it works fine. jumps in 5min increments. |
| 01:13 | <inman> | but if i pound on the keys and really get crazy, it eventually gets really confused. |
| 01:14 | <inman> | starts jumping in increments of just a couple seconds, gets confused as to where in the stream it is. |
| 01:14 | <Ndiin> | So not letting it seek fully first? |
| 01:14 | <inman> | at one point, jumping backwards was actually incrementing my position in the stream. |
| 01:14 | <inman> | Ndiin: i guess. |
| 01:15 | <inman> | i'm just going by what the osd says. |
| 01:16 | <inman> | it does seem to work for stuff earlier in the stream |
| 01:16 | <inman> | eg. i'm 30mins into the stream and it works fine in those first 30 minutes. |
| 01:17 | <Chutt> | should be fairly easy to debug |
| 01:17 | <inman> | yeah |
| 01:18 | <Chutt> | but i need to sleep, so =) |
| 01:18 | <inman> | :-) g'nite. i'll take a look. |
| 01:20 | <inman> | it's as though the second keypress which occurs while myth hasn't yet reached 5mins in the future, |
| 01:20 | <Chutt> | well |
| 01:20 | <inman> | simply seeks to the "end" of the stream that we've buffered. |
| 01:21 | <Chutt> | it shouldn't actually be seeking again until its done seeking from the first keypress |
| 01:21 | <inman> | if i hold down pgdn, the osd updates at 1sec intervals. |
| 01:21 | <Chutt> | but the UI might still be updating |
| 01:21 | <inman> | Chutt: right. |
| 01:21 | <Chutt> | i think the OSD stuff gets updated regardless of if that keypress is going to actually generate a seek or not |
| 01:21 | <foom> | oh yeah, i noticed the editor doesn't work that way |
| 01:21 | <foom> | if you hold down a key it keeps going long after you released it |
| 01:22 | <Chutt> | yeah, it doesn't discard keypresses like it should |
| 01:22 | <Chutt> | ah well, g'nite |
| 01:23 | <inman> | hasta |
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| 01:27 | <Zytheus> | anyone alive? |
| 01:27 | <inman> | yep. |
| 01:28 | <Zytheus> | just did a debian install (pretty sweet, btw)...trying to run for first time and i'm seeing it didn't install any themes |
| 01:28 | <inman> | are you using CVS? |
| 01:28 | <Zytheus> | no osd theme...wondering where i could get it |
| 01:28 | <Zytheus> | nah |
| 01:28 | <Zytheus> | deb sources |
| 01:28 | <inman> | did you see any errors during `make install`? |
| 01:28 | <inman> | eg. from the themes directory? |
| 01:28 | <Zytheus> | didn't do make install |
| 01:28 | <Zytheus> | used apt-get |
| 01:29 | <Zytheus> | maybe i should email the debian guy... |
| 01:29 | <inman> | huh. well, i've never used binaries and i'm not running debian. |
| 01:29 | <inman> | what's in /usr/local/share/mythtv? |
| 01:29 | <Zytheus> | matt zimmemarman |
| 01:29 | <inman> | did you do setup? |
| 01:30 | <Zytheus> | dir does not exist |
| 01:30 | <inman> | weird |
| 01:30 | <Zytheus> | "apt-get install mythtv" ...debian's standard package installer |
| 01:30 | <inman> | yeah, i get it. |
| 01:30 | <Zytheus> | http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu:8088/~mdz/debian/dists/woody/mythtv/ |
| 01:30 | <inman> | can you search your filesystem? |
| 01:30 | <Zytheus> | search for what? |
| 01:31 | <inman> | eg. search for mainmenu.xml |
| 01:31 | <foom> | dpkg -L <packagename> shows the files it installed |
| 01:31 | <Zytheus> | nope |
| 01:31 | <inman> | the themes directory is a peer of that file. |
| 01:31 | <Zytheus> | if i do "dpkg -l \*myth\*" i can see they're all installed |
| 01:31 | <foom> | i installed the unstable debs and they worked |
| 01:31 | <foom> | dunno about woody ones |
| 01:32 | <Zytheus> | i'm on woody |
| 01:32 | <Zytheus> | hold on...i found it |
| 01:32 | <Zytheus> | ... /usr/share/mythtv/mainmenu.xml |
| 01:32 | <Zytheus> | needed to run updatedb :) |
| 01:32 | <inman> | is there a themes directory alongside? |
| 01:33 | <inman> | in /usr/share/mythtv |
| 01:33 | <Zytheus> | cool..found my themes |
| 01:33 | <Zytheus> | ...but myth is looking in the wrong place for them |
| 01:33 | <Zytheus> | i'll just make a symlink |
| 01:33 | <inman> | update the settings. |
| 01:34 | <foom> | btw it's dpkg -L (capital L) that shows the files the package installed |
| 01:35 | <foom> | anyways, good luck, i'm going to sleep. |
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| 01:35 | <Zytheus> | hmmm |
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| 01:37 | <inman> | you all set, Zytheus? |
| 01:38 | <Zytheus> | i'm rerunning setup |
| 01:38 | <inman> | okay |
| 01:40 | <Zytheus> | running /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend |
| 01:40 | <Zytheus> | ....because it said to after mythtv-setup |
| 01:40 | <Zytheus> | doh--database error |
| 01:42 | <Zytheus> | is there a forum somewhere? ...where i can search posts/questions/answers before bugging you guys? |
| 01:42 | <Zytheus> | obviously, i'll read docs first |
| 01:42 | <inman> | bugging people here is faster. |
| 01:42 | <Zytheus> | heh...okay if you don't mind |
| 01:43 | <inman> | well, /i/ don't, no. |
| 01:43 | <inman> | ;-) |
| 01:43 | <Zytheus> | but i try to rtfm/stfw my share |
| 01:43 | * inman | nods. |
| 01:43 | <Zytheus> | is the update supposed to have occasional db errors? |
| 01:44 | <Zytheus> | getting duplicate entry errors |
| 01:44 | <inman> | check your *.xmltv file in ~mythuser/.mythtv |
| 01:44 | <inman> | make sure there aren't duplicate channels defined. |
| 01:44 | <inman> | comment them out if so. |
| 01:44 | <inman> | else post the error message here. |
| 01:45 | <Zytheus> | heh..i don't have that file |
| 01:45 | <inman> | you must have an xmltv file somewhere. |
| 01:46 | <Zytheus> | oh..heh |
| 01:46 | <inman> | the name matches that of your channel-lineup |
| 01:46 | <Zytheus> | .mythtv is dir not file...i tried vi on it |
| 01:47 | <Zytheus> | <-- moron |
| 01:47 | * inman | winks. |
| 01:47 | <Zytheus> | looking for dups |
| 01:47 | <Zytheus> | no dups |
| 01:47 | <Zytheus> | okay, update done |
| 01:50 | <Zytheus> | hmmm...getting a host of errors now when running "mythtv" |
| 01:51 | <inman> | run mythbackend, then run mythfrontend, and RTFM. |
| 01:51 | <Zytheus> | first, says "could not open network socket" |
| 01:51 | <Zytheus> | it says that before it says "connecting to backend server" |
| 01:51 | <Zytheus> | backend is running |
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| 01:53 | <Zytheus> | you're right...i was using the wrong exe |
| 01:53 | <Zytheus> | all appears to be well |
| 01:54 | <Zytheus> | thanks for fielding my newb crap |
| 01:54 | <inman> | np ;-) |
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| 02:23 | <inman> | bug? after editing a recording, i can't fast-forward |
| 02:23 | <inman> | jumping ahead increments time in the osd, but not in the stream. |
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| 02:36 | <Zytheus> | sorry, i'm not quite that advanced yet...having installed half an hour ago and all |
| 02:39 | <inman> | just logging it here in case someone reads it later. don't have time to check it out right now. |
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| 08:45 | <RagnaRoC> | Vektor: You awake/alive? |
| 08:46 | <RagnaRoC> | join #livid |
| 08:46 | <RagnaRoC> | grrr |
| 08:46 | <vektor> | Sure. |
| 08:46 | <RagnaRoC> | Morning to you |
| 08:47 | <RagnaRoC> | Wanted to tell you stereo is working great...got MTV on with my speakers in Prologic mode and the ground outside shakes :) |
| 08:47 | <vektor> | Ok, I've been working on improving that patch, just so you know. |
| 08:47 | <vektor> | There are some 'issues'. |
| 08:47 | <RagnaRoC> | I have been noticing what appears to be frame rate problems that seem to have started up on occasion |
| 08:48 | <vektor> | In tvtime? We should discuss this on #livid. |
| 08:48 | <RagnaRoC> | define issues...I have thought I saw/heard some occasinal problems but not 100 % |
| 08:48 | <RagnaRoC> | okI am in there allready |
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| 11:58 | <inman> | i'm getting segfaults in the frontend just from viewing recordings briefly and deleting them. no time to debug atm. |
| 12:00 | <Chutt> | honestly, saying it segfaults without providing a backtrace is useless |
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| 12:13 | <inman> | i know, i will debug it in a bit. |
| 12:14 | <inman> | i was looking more for a "me too" than a "i think i know why". |
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| 12:26 | <Chang> | I'm seeing a segfault using the debian binaries |
| 12:26 | <Chang> | When I'm watching an in progress recording and the recording stops frontend segfaults |
| 12:26 | <Chang> | Anybody know if this is present in the 0.8 compiled from source |
| 12:27 | <rkulagow> | chutt: i just got a segfault when i tried to "watch recordings". here's a bt: (this is current cvs; make clean distcleaned) |
| 12:27 | <rkulagow> | urpmi libcdda0 libcdda0-devel libvorbis0 libvorbis0-devel |
| 12:27 | <rkulagow> | |
| 12:27 | <rkulagow> | duh, wrong paste. sorry. |
| 12:27 | <|Uli|> | hi |
| 12:28 | <|Uli|> | i have problems running mythtv with suse 8.1 |
| 12:28 | <rkulagow> | (gdb) run |
| 12:28 | <rkulagow> | Starting program: /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend |
| 12:28 | <rkulagow> | [New Thread 16384 (LWP 29357)][New Thread 16384 (LWP 29357)] |
| 12:28 | <rkulagow> | connecting to backend server: 192.168.10.101:6543 |
| 12:28 | <rkulagow> | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 12:28 | <rkulagow> | [Switching to Thread 16384 (LWP 29357)][Switching to Thread 16384 (LWP 29357)] |
| 12:28 | <rkulagow> | 0x4067691c in QString::QString(QString const&) () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 |
| 12:28 | <rkulagow> | Current language: auto; currently c |
| 12:28 | <rkulagow> | (gdb) bt |
| 12:28 | <rkulagow> | #0 0x4067691c in QString::QString(QString const&) () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 |
| 12:28 | <rkulagow> | #1 0x0808279e in PlaybackBox::getPixmap(ProgramInfo*) (this=0xbfffe3d0, pginfo=0x0) at playbackbox.cpp:1973 |
| 12:28 | <rkulagow> | #2 0x080798d8 in PlaybackBox::updateVideo(QPainter*) (this=0xbfffe940, p=0xbfffe3d0) at playbackbox.cpp:640 |
| 12:28 | <rkulagow> | #3 0x08077e97 in PlaybackBox::paintEvent(QPaintEvent*) (this=0xbfffe940, e=0xbfffe6e0) |
| 12:28 | <rkulagow> | at playbackbox.cpp:489 |
| 12:28 | <rkulagow> | #4 0x40425a67 in QWidget::event(QEvent*) () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 |
| 12:28 | <rkulagow> | (gdb) |
| 12:28 | <|Uli|> | when i run setup, it says: QSqlDatabase warning: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded |
| 12:29 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, i'll fix that in a sec |
| 12:29 | <rkulagow> | chutt: thanks. |
| 12:29 | <rkulagow> | Uli: did you read the HOWTO? |
| 12:29 | <|Uli|> | yes |
| 12:29 | <Chutt> | uli, no, you didn't read the howto |
| 12:30 | <Chutt> | the howto says you need qt's mysql driver installed |
| 12:30 | <Chutt> | you do not have qt's mysql driver installed |
| 12:30 | <|Uli|> | i have installed qt3-mysql |
| 12:31 | <Chutt> | do you have QTDIR set? |
| 12:31 | <moegreen> | Chutt: I'm working on the playbackbox.cpp right now, i can do the fix for rkulagow |
| 12:31 | <|Uli|> | yes |
| 12:31 | <rkulagow> | uli: what sitro? |
| 12:31 | <rkulagow> | distro |
| 12:31 | <Chutt> | moegreen, sure |
| 12:31 | <|Uli|> | QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt-3.1.1 |
| 12:31 | <|Uli|> | and there is: /usr/lib/qt-3.1.1/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so |
| 12:32 | <|Uli|> | and /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so |
| 12:33 | <|Uli|> | i found out that i need QTDIR, libmysqlclient and libqsqlmysql |
| 12:33 | <|Uli|> | and now i don't know what else to test and check |
| 12:34 | <Chang> | Uli: What version of qt-devel did you compile against? |
| 12:34 | <Chutt> | ah, people have reported this before on the list |
| 12:34 | <Chutt> | the rpms are broken, apparently =) |
| 12:35 | <|Uli|> | qt3-devel-3.1.1-64 |
| 12:35 | <Chang> | Chutt: I can vouch for that. I wasted 4 days on those RPMS |
| 12:35 | <|Uli|> | rpms? |
| 12:36 | <Chutt> | whatever packaging system suse uses nowadays |
| 12:36 | <Chutt> | their qt stuff is broken |
| 12:36 | <Chutt> | use a better distro |
| 12:37 | <|Uli|> | oh, i thought you meant mythtv-rpms |
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| 13:34 | <|Uli|> | i have solved my problem: |
| 13:34 | <|Uli|> | i had to do: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$QTDIR/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 13:35 | <|Uli|> | and in contrast to QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3 as in the instructions, i had to do export QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt-3.1.1 |
| 13:42 | <inman> | add /usr/lib/qt-3.1.1/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig (as root); then you can omit the LD_LIBRARY_PATH step |
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| 14:02 | <aleitner> | hi anybody using mythtv on debian unstable? |
| 14:03 | <aleitner> | seems like the woody and sarge debs are not instablable on unstable |
| 14:04 | <Chutt> | there are debs for unstable. |
| 14:13 | <mdz_> | aleitner: at the top of the page: These packages are intended for Debian 3.0 (woody). Packages for Debian unstable are now separate. |
| 14:13 | <mdz_> | (with a hyperlink) |
| 14:15 | <aleitner> | mdz_: thanks alot. i got it now. sorry for my stupid question |
| 14:32 | <aleitner> | hm, sorry if this is again a stupid question, but when installing mythtv-database it fails because it cannot connect to the database |
| 14:32 | <aleitner> | looks like it doesnt know the password (where from should it know) |
| 14:33 | <aleitner> | (it didnt ask me for one) |
| 14:33 | <aleitner> | is there something i am doing wrong? (pretty sure i am :) |
| 14:51 | <aleitner> | oh, got it, needed to do a -force reconfigure |
| 14:57 | <aleitner> | What does the following mean: |
| 14:57 | <aleitner> | Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and |
| 14:57 | <aleitner> | host-based authentication failed |
| 14:57 | <aleitner> | ? |
| 14:57 | <mdz_> | it means that you are not authorized to connect to the X server |
| 14:57 | <aleitner> | oh i see |
| 14:58 | <aleitner> | its not mythtv related (; |
| 14:58 | <aleitner> | is this something i should be worried about? |
| 14:59 | <aleitner> | xclock starts fine (with the same warning) and i did a xhost + |
| 15:00 | <aleitner> | '/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend' start complains about: |
| 15:00 | <aleitner> | Starting MythTV server: mythbackendQSettings: error creating /root/.qt |
| 15:00 | <aleitner> | anybody knows how i can correct this or what it means? |
| 15:03 | <gimpy> | main.o(.text+0x7a): In function `main': |
| 15:03 | <gimpy> | : undefined reference to `QApplication::QApplication[in-charge](int&, char**)' |
| 15:03 | <gimpy> | main.o(.text+0xa3): In function `main': |
| 15:03 | <gimpy> | i compiled qt with -qt-sql-mysql.. |
| 15:03 | <gimpy> | and went to compile mythtv and i get that |
| 15:05 | <Chutt> | you're compiling mythtv with a version of gcc that's different than what qt was compiled with. |
| 15:05 | <gimpy> | i compiled qt yesterday.. |
| 15:05 | <Chutt> | you've got an older version lying around, then |
| 15:05 | <aleitner> | anybody knows what /root/.qt is for? |
| 15:06 | <Chutt> | aleitner, qt settings files? |
| 15:06 | <gimpy> | ya i have another gcc .. i have two of them installed.. |
| 15:06 | <Chutt> | of qt |
| 15:06 | <Chutt> | not gcc. |
| 15:06 | <gimpy> | and two qt's.. but its using /usr/lib/qt which is a symlink of my current qt |
| 15:06 | <aleitner> | Chutt: do you have any idea, why mythtv might fail to create them? |
| 15:07 | <Chutt> | it doesn't have write permission? |
| 15:07 | <Chutt> | gimpy, it's still trying to link against a version of qt compiled with an older gcc |
| 15:07 | <aleitner> | user mythtv in dir /root/ i hope not! |
| 15:08 | <gimpy> | [gimpy:/usr/lib][gimpy:/usr/lib]$ echo $QTDIR |
| 15:08 | <gimpy> | /usr/lib/qt-3.0.4 |
| 15:08 | <gimpy> | you are right |
| 15:08 | <aleitner> | Chutt: do you know if /etc/init.d/myth-backend is supposed to create this file? |
| 15:08 | <gimpy> | i.. put it in my /etc/profile to.. hmm |
| 15:08 | <Chutt> | amazing |
| 15:08 | <Chutt> | aleitner, no, it's not |
| 15:08 | <gimpy> | oh well ill manually export it again and try, thanks |
| 15:08 | <Chutt> | why would it? |
| 15:09 | <aleitner> | Chutt: i dont know. i am totally new to mythtv |
| 15:09 | <aleitner> | Chutt: all i do is start the backend server via the init.d script |
| 15:09 | <aleitner> | but it fails |
| 15:09 | <gimpy> | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt-mt thats the error im getting now =/ |
| 15:09 | <moegreen> | gimpy: you don't have the qt threads compiled in |
| 15:10 | <gimpy> | so i should recompile qt? |
| 15:10 | <Chutt> | you should use a real distro. |
| 15:10 | <aleitner> | Chutt:? |
| 15:10 | <Chutt> | aleitner, i wasn't talking to you |
| 15:11 | <aleitner> | oh, sorry (; |
| 15:12 | <moegreen> | gimpy: if you're going to recompile, be sure to use the -thread when doing you ./configure, also be sure to use the -qt-sql-<driver> flag |
| 15:12 | <gimpy> | ya im doing that now |
| 15:13 | <moegreen> | Well get it right this time :) |
| 15:13 | <gimpy> | hehe.. ya this took all night to compile oh well imma go get a haircut anyway |
| 15:14 | <gimpy> | and there was something in /etc/profile.d/qt.sh that kept setting qt i suppose |
| 15:14 | <inman> | please don't let myth come between you and your personal grooming. |
| 15:37 | <mdz_> | aleitner: that message is completely harmless |
| 15:37 | <mdz_> | aleitner: you'll notice that the backend starts up fine in spite of it |
| 15:38 | <mdz_> | assuming everything else is in order |
| 15:39 | <mdz_> | if Zytheus was using the debs and had no themes, he was probably running the wrong binary |
| 15:40 | <Chutt> | blah |
| 15:40 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 15:41 | <Chutt> | all the coords for text and things are pixmap relative |
| 15:41 | <Chutt> | in the osd |
| 15:41 | <Chutt> | i should make em all absolute |
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| 16:00 | <inman> | mdz: it wouldn't be the first time, for Zytheus. |
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| 16:42 | <moegreen> | Chutt: are you around? |
| 16:42 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 16:44 | <moegreen> | ok, i'm getting an X Error (X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3). I can reproduce it, to do so, I go into Watch Recordings, pick a recording, watch it for any given amount of time, then hit escape a couple of times (once to exit the recording, once to exit the watch rec screen, and maybe one or two more times. |
| 16:44 | <Chutt> | trying to draw on a window that's no longer there, perhaps? |
| 16:44 | <moegreen> | I thought it might be the playbackbox trying to start/display the small playback preview again so I added a Key_Escape handler to ensure that the timer and player is stopped |
| 16:44 | <moegreen> | but that didn't do it |
| 16:45 | <moegreen> | it shows my 'exitWin()...killing app.' statement i added just before the emit call...then a 'Changing from None to None', then the X Error |
| 16:47 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 16:48 | <moegreen> | I have to hit escape pretty quickly, but it's happened to me once or twice on accident |
| 17:08 | <poptix> | i need to find out what i did to my setup |
| 17:08 | <poptix> | i suddenly can't do any capture on my bt878 card |
| 17:08 | <poptix> | but overlay works fine |
| 17:10 | <inman> | kernel changes? |
| 17:10 | <poptix> | nope |
| 17:10 | <poptix> | just rebooted |
| 17:11 | <inman> | are your modules loaded correctly? |
| 17:11 | <poptix> | i think it's because it's sharing the IRQ with 2 network cards and my emu10k1 |
| 17:11 | <inman> | does xawtv work? |
| 17:11 | <poptix> | xawtv works fine in overlay mode, but not in grabdisplay mode |
| 17:11 | <poptix> | tvtime doesn't work either, because it uses the capture mode |
| 17:11 | <inman> | btw, who are you getting to port the ivtv driver to myth? |
| 17:11 | * inman | has a pvr-350. |
| 17:11 | <poptix> | inman: trying to get a buddy on efnet to do it |
| 17:12 | <inman> | there are several products that could benefit from the same interface to v4l2. |
| 17:12 | <poptix> | yeah |
| 17:12 | <poptix> | dvb stuff |
| 17:12 | <inman> | what's the difference between overlay mode and grabdisplay mode? |
| 17:12 | <inman> | technically, i mean. |
| 17:13 | <poptix> | inman: in overlay mode it just makes a box on the screen that's a certain color |
| 17:13 | <Chutt> | overlay mode sends the data to the video card for display |
| 17:13 | <poptix> | then the tv card sends the data to the video card, or the video card driver, and it gets put on top of that special colored box |
| 17:13 | <Chutt> | grabdisplay hits the system ram, first |
| 17:13 | <inman> | overlay is pretty easy to understand just by watching it |
| 17:13 | <Chutt> | poptix, not everything does it with colorkey like that |
| 17:14 | <poptix> | that's why when you try to take a screenshot of your DVD playing, you usually get a pink box |
| 17:14 | <poptix> | Chutt: hmm, i was fairly sure everything did |
| 17:14 | <inman> | i'm probing at what could be different to cause one to work while the other does not. |
| 17:14 | <poptix> | Chutt: does it just give position info? |
| 17:14 | <Chutt> | think so, yeah |
| 17:14 | <inman> | i hate overlay |
| 17:15 | <poptix> | well |
| 17:15 | <poptix> | i dropped in a drive with win98 on it, and dscaler is working |
| 17:15 | <poptix> | so i know the card isn't broken |
| 17:15 | <inman> | if overlay works, i'd say the card ain't broken, but what do i know. |
| 17:15 | <poptix> | but i also made windows disable the use of IRQ 3 =p |
| 17:16 | <inman> | does it work okay if you don't load your emu10k drivers? |
| 17:16 | <poptix> | inman: haven't tried yet |
| 17:16 | <mdz_> | surely php must have a strftime equivalent |
| 17:16 | <poptix> | i've got usb, emu10k1, bt878, and 2 netork cards (eepro100) on irq 5 in windows |
| 17:16 | <poptix> | along with ACPI stuff |
| 17:17 | <inman> | i'm suggesting that you unload emu10k1 modules |
| 17:17 | <poptix> | i miss the days of full irq control in the bios |
| 17:17 | <inman> | then reload your bttv stuff and see if you can get capture again |
| 17:17 | <inman> | nonsense, it's better now. |
| 17:18 | <poptix> | pfft =p |
| 17:18 | <poptix> | it groups everything onto one IRQ |
| 17:18 | <mdz_> | poptix: the days? I bought a motherboard a few months ago with a bios that lets me assign IRQs manually |
| 17:18 | <mdz_> | optionally, of course |
| 17:18 | <Chutt> | turn off acpi |
| 17:18 | <poptix> | mdz_: well, this is a cheap motherboard |
| 17:19 | <Chutt> | and it shouldn't group everything on one irq anymore |
| 17:19 | <inman> | Chutt: i doubt he changed that between reboots...? |
| 17:19 | <poptix> | everything else works great with this board, it just bunches up stuff on the same IRQ |
| 17:19 | <inman> | poptix: it's not a problem if it works. |
| 17:19 | <Chutt> | inman, i've got a broken motherboard that randomly turns it on and off inbetween booting =) |
| 17:19 | <inman> | bwahah |
| 17:19 | <poptix> | i don't reboot this system often |
| 17:19 | <poptix> | who knows what the bios did |
| 17:19 | <poptix> | i think it randomly reassaigns everything everytime i reboot |
| 17:20 | <mdz_> | I have ACPI on on my mythbox and it assigns the IRQs reasonably |
| 17:20 | <inman> | my board has 64bit pci slots that only run at 32bit |
| 17:20 | * inman | smirks. |
| 17:20 | <poptix> | inman: i've got a 64 bit compaq NC3131 (quad port ethernet) card in a 32 bit slot, so there =p |
| 17:20 | <inman> | poptix: are you running a kernel from your distro or a custom-compiled? |
| 17:20 | <poptix> | custom |
| 17:20 | * inman | nods. |
| 17:21 | <poptix> | 2.4.21pre5-ac3 |
| 17:21 | <mdz_> | Chutt: do you think it would help if there were separate links in the howto for stable and unstable? |
| 17:21 | <mdz_> | probably not |
| 17:21 | <mdz_> | that last guy found both woody and sarge but not unstable, somehow |
| 17:22 | <poptix> | mdz_: aren't you the one maintaining the myth debian packages? |
| 17:22 | <poptix> | those precompiled packages need to be staticly linked |
| 17:23 | <poptix> | it would fix a few things =p |
| 17:23 | <inman> | i don't envy the sap who has to download all those staticly linked binaries |
| 17:23 | <Chutt> | i should just make one big huge binary package with all the libs it needs |
| 17:24 | <Chutt> | oh, wait, nm |
| 17:24 | <poptix> | Chutt: =p |
| 17:24 | <inman> | i rebuilt this machine and went from qt-3.0.5 to qt-3.1.2 and i still don't have a selection bar in `manage recordings` |
| 17:26 | <mdz_> | poptix: yes |
| 17:26 | <mdz_> | poptix: and no, they don't need to be statically linked |
| 17:27 | <mdz_> | they work fine as long as the user selects the right branch |
| 17:27 | <Chutt> | that database password thing gets a lot of people |
| 17:27 | <Chutt> | maybe the question should be made higher priority? |
| 17:29 | <poptix> | mdz_: i just don't trust people running debian, who can't compile their own packages |
| 17:29 | <poptix> | (or read instructions) |
| 17:30 | <poptix> | it's like an oxymoron. |
| 17:30 | <mdz_> | poptix: I'm not going to degrade the quality of the packaging to compensate for people who can't read :-) |
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| 17:31 | <mdz_> | Chutt: that one makes no sense to me |
| 17:31 | * keyhack | is upset how his 1.1 mhz cannot handle MythTV |
| 17:31 | <poptix> | mdz_: in eggdrop we've got the 'die' command in like 3 different places within the default conf |
| 17:31 | <Chutt> | maybe they're entering their root password or something? |
| 17:31 | <mdz_> | Chutt: that question is asked at priority medium |
| 17:31 | <poptix> | die "you still didn't go through the whole conf..." |
| 17:31 | <Chutt> | keyhack, that's nice. |
| 17:31 | <mdz_> | which is the default |
| 17:32 | <keyhack> | Chutt: thanks for the sarcasm |
| 17:32 | <mdz_> | so the only people who should be missing it are those who explicitly raise their priority above medium |
| 17:32 | <Chutt> | np |
| 17:32 | <Ndiin> | keyhack: How much do you notice that extra 0.1 MHz? heh. |
| 17:32 | <mdz_> | in which case they also won't see the message from mysql telling them to set a password |
| 17:33 | <mdz_> | so apparently there are all these people running around who are compelled to set a password for mysql, but aren't comfortable enough with the system to see priority: medium debconf prompts |
| 17:33 | <mdz_> | or else there is a bug somewhere |
| 17:34 | <mdz_> | I could raise it to priority high |
| 17:34 | <mdz_> | but then presumably people would get confused because they have never set a mysql root password, and don't even know that there is one |
| 17:34 | <mdz_> | and yet it is asking them for it |
| 17:35 | <mdz_> | at priority high, mysql-server will leave the root password blank and never even say anything about it |
| 17:35 | <Chutt> | mdz, maybe that's what they're doing, and are inserting their root password in that box |
| 17:35 | <Chutt> | and the mysql password is still blank |
| 17:36 | <mdz_> | could be |
| 17:36 | <keyhack> | I did that |
| 17:36 | <keyhack> | I caught the mistake later |
| 17:37 | <mdz_> | maybe I'll add a sentence to the template saying that unless they have explicitly changed it, leave it blank |
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| 17:49 | <aleitner> | mdz_: thanks (sorry was away) |
| 17:51 | <aleitner> | no, i have the backend running, do a 'su mythtv' and then run 'mythtv', it tells me it is connecting to the backend server and then nothing happens (no window pops up, no nothing) |
| 17:51 | <aleitner> | s/no/now/ |
| 17:52 | <Ndiin> | "su" leaves your environment variables untouched, btw. |
| 17:53 | <aleitner> | Ndiin: how else should i log in? 'su -'? then for some reason user mythtv cannot connect to the x server anymore... |
| 17:55 | <Ndiin> | That depends on your setup.. for me, 'su -' doesn't mess with the DISPLAY variable, in fact, the only case it should would be if your login scripts change it, I believe. |
| 17:55 | <Chutt> | if nothing happens at all, then it's most likely attempting to open the sound card and blocking on it |
| 17:56 | <aleitner> | btw, what should i run 'mythtv' or 'mythfrontend'? (Docs say mythfrontend i believe) |
| 17:57 | <aleitner> | ahh, will try and reset $DISPLAY after a 'su -' login |
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| 18:10 | <aleitner> | btw, is there a mythvideo deb as well? |
| 18:29 | <aleitner> | erm, anybody knows what debian packages are required to compile mythvideo? |
| 18:34 | <moegreen> | aleitner: i don't think there are packages for mythvideo |
| 18:39 | <aleitner> | moegreen: thanks. i am trying to compile it on my own now |
| 18:39 | <aleitner> | but i have a hard time finding the package that provides: |
| 18:40 | <aleitner> | /usr/share/qt/mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf |
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| 18:41 | <TheAsp> | hmm, i have some programs i've never recorded before marked as being repeats |
| 18:44 | <aleitner> | also, how can i find out what keys have what effect in mythtv (to find a good layout for my remote) |
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| 18:45 | <TheAsp> | oh, odd, must have been preempted becuse of the war... |
| 18:46 | <Captain_Murdoch> | aleitner: keys.txt |
| 18:51 | <aleitner> | Captain_Murdoch: thanks alot! |
| 18:55 | <aleitner> | anybody knows where the qmake.conf files comes from. i have installed all build-depends i found in the mythtv source package but its still nowhere in sight |
| 18:56 | <TheAsp> | hey, how well does that mpeg4 patch work? |
| 18:57 | <bigguy> | TheAsp: I doubt anyone's really tested it yet |
| 18:57 | <TheAsp> | mdz aparently tried to apply it . . . :P |
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| 19:00 | <Chutt> | mdz was talking about an earlier patch to mythweb |
| 19:02 | <TheAsp> | heh |
| 19:03 | <TheAsp> | i guess i cant read |
| 19:03 | <TheAsp> | :P |
| 19:04 | <TheAsp> | how about i apply it and get back to you |
| 19:08 | <PeteCool> | mpeg4 patch? which? |
| 19:08 | <Chutt> | just allows you to turn on hq mode, basically |
| 19:08 | <Chutt> | ie, the non-realtime stuff =) |
| 19:10 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: do you think vorbis could be an interesting audio encoder for myth? |
| 19:11 | <aleitner> | when i try to import channels via 'mythfilldatabase --manual' (de/at listings) it downloads the xmltv listing but then tells me it is ignoring every channel because it is an unkown channel |
| 19:12 | <bigguy> | A man's occupation is to stick his cockulation in a woman's ventilation to increase the population of the younger generation. I got this information from the board of education if you want a demonstration -- LIE DOWN! |
| 19:12 | <bigguy> | oops |
| 19:12 | <bigguy> | soory mischan |
| 19:13 | <aleitner> | should mythvideo be compiled with gcc 3.2 or earlier? |
| 19:13 | <Chutt> | petecool, not unless the vorbis stuff's changed recently, really |
| 19:13 | <choenig> | aleitner: maybe you should have a look at http://www.home.zonnet.nl/erik_nospam.arendse/. there is something about using german xmltv stuff |
| 19:14 | <TheAsp> | hey, my screen is stretched in myth's menu's |
| 19:14 | <Chutt> | petecool, with vorbis, you can't tell it to encode audio and give you the encoded stuff back immediately, you have to wait for it (up to several seconds later) |
| 19:14 | <aleitner> | choenig: great, thanks! |
| 19:14 | <TheAsp> | next/prev are off the screen |
| 19:14 | <Chutt> | ie, not really good for realtime encoding =) |
| 19:14 | <Chutt> | theasp, with that patch? |
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| 19:15 | <Chutt> | figured, the additional options make the screen too big |
| 19:16 | <TheAsp> | yeah |
| 19:17 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: hmm, that's bad.... what about flac? (Not asking you to do it or anything... I think when I get the schoolwork done by Sunday, it'll make something interesting to try, but I don't want to try something useless) |
| 19:17 | <TheAsp> | seems to work well in livet |
| 19:17 | <TheAsp> | v |
| 19:19 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: oh wait it has to be possible to put it in a nuv container... |
| 19:21 | <TheAsp> | is hq on by default? |
| 19:21 | <TheAsp> | (without the patch) |
| 19:21 | <mdz> | TheAsp: I didn't try to apply any patch |
| 19:21 | <TheAsp> | yeah, i saw, i cant read |
| 19:22 | <mdz> | the vhq mode makes encoding a whole bunch slower |
| 19:22 | <mdz> | and looks very marginally better in my experience |
| 19:22 | <TheAsp> | not much speed diff here |
| 19:22 | <TheAsp> | without 4mv |
| 19:22 | <TheAsp> | does look better though |
| 19:24 | * TheAsp | waits for the comercial skip code to give up in live tv... |
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| 19:27 | <TheAsp> | it's funny how much cpu top uses |
| 19:28 | <Captain_Murdoch> | theasp, I've got it detecting the ratings logo they show in the upper left hand corner now also. need to modify it a little to make it detect white-on-black since I see Fox uses that some where others use a black-on-white rating 'logo' |
| 19:28 | <PeteCool> | TheAsp: yeah when any useful refresh timeout, it makes myth drop frames |
| 19:29 | <TheAsp> | heh, neat idea |
| 19:30 | <Captain_Murdoch> | it uses that to make sure it doesn't false detect a commercial. |
| 19:30 | <TheAsp> | i spose there is no way to detect transparent logos from the bottom right . . . |
| 19:31 | <PeteCool> | TheAsp: there's a virtualdub plugin to remove them, so they are indeed detectable |
| 19:32 | <PeteCool> | I don't know how efficient it is though |
| 19:33 | <moegreen> | Captain_Murdoch: I've seen that tv rating logo at the beginning of a south park commercial |
| 19:35 | <Captain_Murdoch> | Liam is working on code to do that, but I need to try to figure out how to do it offline. his patch works while you're watching a show. I'm trying to do stuff offline so you have instantaneous skips when you are playing back. |
| 19:36 | <Captain_Murdoch> | moegreen: I'm almost thinking there could/should be a bunch of options that can be turned on/off that are used to turn on/off the various detection methods. no single one is giong to be perfect for everyone/everywhere and putting them all together is probably bad as well. |
| 19:37 | <Captain_Murdoch> | the worst-case scenario right now is that it wouldn't flag that commercial since it has the rating logo in it. |
| 19:37 | <moegreen> | Captain_Murdoch: right, I just wanted to let you know. :) |
| 19:38 | <Captain_Murdoch> | thanks. I've debated making a small program that people could use to grab out a section of a .nuv file and send so I could test things like that. |
| 19:45 | <TheAsp> | a maximum comercial break time would be nice too |
| 19:45 | <TheAsp> | if there isntr one already |
| 19:47 | <PeteCool> | Captain_Murdoch: what would really be useful would be per-channel detection mode(s) to use |
| 19:47 | <Captain_Murdoch> | well, it detects individual commercials right now, so unless the actual show has blank frames every 15,20,30,45,60,90,or 120 seconds then it shouldn't go off into never-never land. |
| 19:47 | <TheAsp> | i have a channel that comes in in light and dark diagonal stripes, which can defeat the blank screen detector i think |
| 19:48 | <TheAsp> | i had an 800 second skip the other night |
| 19:48 | <Captain_Murdoch> | PeteCool: that's something else I have typed into my TODO file. :) I was thinking something like that, as well as a flag to say "don't bother checking this show/channel for commercials" |
| 19:50 | <TheAsp> | oldish build though |
| 19:50 | <Captain_Murdoch> | right now it detects the individual commercials then appends them all together to get the commercial break. I'll make a note to put in a sanity check for the commercial break length. are you using the auto commercial flagging mode or just hitting 'Z'. |
| 19:50 | <Captain_Murdoch> | ok, so you're just hitting Z. |
| 19:51 | <TheAsp> | z |
| 19:51 | <Captain_Murdoch> | current CVS can (if you have auto flagging turned on) run a thread after a recording that will go through the video looking for blank frames and will generate a commercial list and put it in the database. |
| 19:51 | <Captain_Murdoch> | then when you hit 'Z', it's an instantaneous skip. You can also use 'Q' to skip backwards. |
| 19:51 | <TheAsp> | yeah, didnt it used to do that at playback>? |
| 19:51 | <TheAsp> | err |
| 19:51 | <TheAsp> | recording, not playback |
| 19:52 | <TheAsp> | up until a week or so ago |
| 19:52 | <Captain_Murdoch> | it does it after the recording finishes. |
| 19:52 | <Captain_Murdoch> | it flags blank frames during recording, but then it analyzes after it finishes, looking for the rating logo and eventually other stuff. |
| 19:53 | <TheAsp> | i have io concerns with that new thread |
| 19:53 | <Captain_Murdoch> | it runs as a nice-d process so it uses very little cpu time, but can take a while because of that. |
| 19:53 | <TheAsp> | yeah, i saw that :) |
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| 19:54 | <Captain_Murdoch> | the thread doesn't even show up in the top of 'top' when I run it here since it's sleeping every frame in addition to being niced. |
| 19:54 | <TheAsp> | i upped it to 10 trying to play games . . . |
| 19:54 | <TheAsp> | :P |
| 19:55 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I'm running 352x480 on an Athlon 700, so I'm keeping an eye on cpu utilization. I've scheduled back-to-back-to-back recordings to make sure it doesn't mess up the 2nd & 3rd recording. During the 3rd recording, mythbackend was recording and there were 2 threads doing the commercial searching. |
| 19:55 | <Captain_Murdoch> | upped what to 10? |
| 19:55 | <Captain_Murdoch> | nice? |
| 19:55 | <TheAsp> | the niceness of that thread |
| 19:57 | <TheAsp> | i'm using 512x384 on a 1.1ghz |
| 19:57 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I think current cvs code just does the nice. my current code sleeps every frame as well so it won't consume all cpu even if there's nothing else running. I played around with trying to intelligently throttle cpu usage, but decided to just have it run slow & steady & predictable. |
| 19:57 | <Captain_Murdoch> | 19 is the nicest you can get, so you told it to be less nice and use more cpu? |
| 19:58 | <TheAsp> | it was running at 4... |
| 19:58 | <Captain_Murdoch> | it does a "nice(19)" how could it be at 4? |
| 19:58 | <Captain_Murdoch> | tv_rec.cpp has "nice(19);" |
| 19:59 | <TheAsp> | *shrug* |
| 20:00 | <Captain_Murdoch> | the newer code is even nicer because it sleeps. I can be recording @ 352x480 and flagging 2 shows for commercials at the same time and still have 20% cpu free on my Athlon 700. |
| 20:00 | <TheAsp> | maybe another case of me not being able to read? ) |
| 20:00 | <TheAsp> | (possibly read off the priority) |
| 20:01 | <Captain_Murdoch> | well, newer will be better. :) I hope to have that committed in the next few days. |
| 20:04 | <TheAsp> | damn, that res aint bad |
| 20:05 | <Chutt> | there, new osd code is shaping up |
| 20:05 | <Chutt> | draws images and text again, at least =) |
| 20:05 | <TheAsp> | is the second screen of the recording profiles necessary? the one with the pulldown with the profile name in it |
| 20:06 | <Chutt> | it will be once you can rename stuff |
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| 20:07 | <TheAsp> | i still have profiles from when you could :P |
| 20:07 | <TheAsp> | or add them... |
| 20:09 | <Captain_Murdoch> | anybody seen setup segfault in QWidget::focusProxy? |
| 20:09 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 20:11 | <Captain_Murdoch> | I'm trying to setup a 2nd backend on my dev machine and getting a segfault running setup. calls go SetupMenu -> ThemedMenu -> parseSettings -> parseButtonDefinition -> parseText -> QWidget::setFont -> QWidget::hasFocus -> QWidget::focusProxy. sound like a problem with a theme I have or something? |
| 20:11 | <Captain_Murdoch> | mythfrontend runs fine on this box. |
| 20:11 | <Chutt> | dunno |
| 20:13 | <TheAsp> | hmm, frontend just seg'd on me |
| 20:13 | <TheAsp> | going into the watch recordings screen |
| 20:13 | <TheAsp> | twice |
| 20:13 | <Chutt> | you know what to do |
| 20:13 | -!- | NonToxic is now known as ddrToxic |
| 20:14 | <Captain_Murdoch> | TheAsp: I've had it do that quite a few times on me lately since the new playback screen went in. I haven't tracked it down yet through. haven't put the code on my main box yet and won't. :) |
| 20:14 | <TheAsp> | i do |
| 20:14 | <TheAsp> | i just dont want to, as it's recording |
| 20:14 | <Chutt> | theasp, have you updated today? |
| 20:14 | <TheAsp> | yeah |
| 20:14 | <TheAsp> | few hours ago |
| 20:15 | <Chutt> | rkulagow reported a bug a big ago |
| 20:15 | <Chutt> | moegreen said he'd check in a fix, dunno if he's gotten to that yet |
| 20:15 | <TheAsp> | nothing new since i built |
| 20:15 | <TheAsp> | rebuilding with debug |
| 20:17 | <Chutt> | thanks |
| 20:23 | <PeteCool> | any way to know how much free cpu time is left, without using top? top uses too much cpu |
| 20:24 | <TheAsp> | i use the gnome cpu usage panel applet |
| 20:25 | <TheAsp> | there is a file in /proc that shows it to if i remember right |
| 20:30 | <TheAsp> | still building |
| 20:30 | <TheAsp> | :P |
| 20:32 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 20:38 | <TheAsp> | ahh, on the epg |
| 20:38 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 20:38 | <Chutt> | still have the frontend and backend to go =) |
| 20:41 | <TheAsp> | btw, those new screens look sweet when they work |
| 20:41 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 20:41 | <Chutt> | bugs should be getting ironed out as people send in backtraces |
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