| 00:00 | <Timon> | Thanks! They are kind of daunting at first. |
| 00:00 | <bigguy> | I need to learn C++ |
| 00:00 | <bigguy> | or relearn rather |
| 00:00 | <bigguy> | I did alot of non gui stuff at school |
| 00:00 | <Timon> | I found a different book by the same author (Jesse Liberty) that does a WAY better job of explaining everything. |
| 00:00 | <bigguy> | just been a few years |
| 00:01 | <bigguy> | what's the name? |
| 00:01 | <Timon> | Yeah. When I stopped programming for a few years it took a bit to jump back on that horse. You have to re-adjust your thinking again. |
| 00:01 | <bigguy> | yeah |
| 00:01 | <Timon> | The guy who wrote the book is named Jesse Liberty. |
| 00:02 | <Timon> | The book I DIDN'T like by him was CPP from Scratch. His Learn CPP in 21 days book is WAY better. |
| 00:02 | <Timon> | Even though I typically hate the learn x in 21 days series of books |
| 00:02 | <bigguy> | I had learned some perl and made a nice gtk-perl frontend for mpg123 but I forogot what I learned ;) |
| 00:02 | <Timon> | hahah |
| 00:03 | <Timon> | I've forgotten about 98% of what I've learned about Assembler |
| 00:03 | <bigguy> | course it's easy to forget what you don't use |
| 00:03 | <Timon> | yup |
| 00:06 | <bigguy> | heh |
| 00:06 | <bigguy> | I've got that book here |
| 00:06 | <bigguy> | I just went to make sure |
| 00:06 | <bigguy> | SAMS |
| 00:06 | <bigguy> | I've got there C book also |
| 00:06 | <bigguy> | and several C/C++ books my old prof gave me |
| 00:07 | <bigguy> | and an ORA book here somewhere |
| 00:07 | <Timon> | I typically HATE sams books. I bought there linux unleased book about 7-8 years ago. The worst book. Full of inacurisies, and misleading stuff. |
| 00:08 | <bigguy> | yeah but that was probably the first Edition :P |
| 00:08 | <Timon> | I think it was the second. I have it somewhere. I didn't even think it was worthy enough to unpack when we moved :-) |
| 00:09 | <bigguy> | I've got several Linux books in boxes |
| 00:10 | <bigguy> | course they were of no use to me anyway |
| 00:10 | <Timon> | I've honestly found google to be of more help then most books :-) |
| 00:10 | <bigguy> | the people that gave them to me didn't realize I was a little more advanced already ;) |
| 00:10 | <Timon> | hahah |
| 00:11 | <bigguy> | Timon: I've used linux for a long time |
| 00:11 | <bigguy> | I started trying to play with it in Sept/Oct 92 |
| 00:12 | <bigguy> | got it installed in october but I still spent more time messing about in dos then |
| 00:12 | <Timon> | I wasn't far behind you. |
| 00:12 | <Timon> | I want to say '94 |
| 00:12 | <Timon> | is when I picked it up. |
| 00:12 | <bigguy> | yeah it was pretty far along by then |
| 00:12 | <bigguy> | alot easier to install for sure |
| 00:13 | <Timon> | I started with slackware. |
| 00:13 | <bigguy> | well we can't all be perfect ;) |
| 00:13 | <Timon> | I always liked that distro. Thats probably why I prefer bsd over linux |
| 00:14 | <bigguy> | I use openbsd some aswell |
| 00:14 | <bigguy> | not a fan of Free but net's ok |
| 00:14 | <Timon> | I don't like the sys 5 way of placing files. |
| 00:14 | <Timon> | I love freebsd. Haven't used net or open though. |
| 00:15 | <Timon> | why don't you like free? |
| 00:15 | <bigguy> | lotsa reasons one of them being the eliteism of most of the users |
| 00:15 | <bigguy> | I've never had a problem talking to Theo |
| 00:16 | <Timon> | Theo? |
| 00:16 | <Timon> | I will give you that. Some of the freebsd users are kind of elitists |
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| 00:17 | <bigguy> | that's one of the reasons I got away from slackware |
| 00:17 | <bigguy> | I ran it up to about 3.1 |
| 00:18 | <Timon> | I haven't run it since 3 |
| 00:18 | <bigguy> | ended up maintaining a custom dist for my own use for a while |
| 00:18 | <bigguy> | now I use debian |
| 00:18 | <Timon> | I just didn't care to use it when they made the sudden version jump to keep up with the others. |
| 00:19 | <Timon> | I didn't like the debian installer :-) |
| 00:19 | <bigguy> | heh I haven't used deselect for some time |
| 00:20 | <Timon> | deselect?!? |
| 00:20 | <bigguy> | yeah it's part of the debian install process |
| 00:20 | <bigguy> | you can avoid it tho |
| 00:20 | <Timon> | ahhh. I liked the mandrake installer. Pretty polished. |
| 00:20 | <bigguy> | heh |
| 00:21 | <bigguy> | I'm not a fan of those rpm dists :P |
| 00:21 | <Timon> | haha :-) |
| 00:21 | <bigguy> | I can't stand many cluebies either ;) |
| 00:21 | <Timon> | I personally could care less. |
| 00:21 | <Timon> | hahaha, I'm not a cluebie. |
| 00:22 | <bigguy> | I know you're not |
| 00:22 | <bigguy> | but a good bit are |
| 00:22 | <Timon> | If I were to put linux on my server though (It currently runs freebsd), I would honestly probably use deb |
| 00:22 | <bigguy> | and they don't want to read to find out why they are having problems with "X" app |
| 00:23 | <Timon> | The easiest thing to do is take the freakin error message and paste it into a google search |
| 00:23 | <Timon> | I've solved more problems that way then I can remember. |
| 00:23 | <bigguy> | I use openbsd on my servers most of the time but I didn't have a current iso for open so I installed debian on it for the time being once I got moved back |
| 00:24 | <Timon> | Heck, it took me about 5 mins, but I figured out the other night you have to put a ";" after a class declaration using google and the error message. |
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| 00:28 | <Timon> | The one thing I REALLy like about bsd is its not a haphazard mess like the linux distros |
| 00:28 | <Timon> | One distro puts files here, another there. Makes it a pain in the butt. |
| 00:28 | <Viddy> | thats why you should use debian |
| 00:28 | <Timon> | I think the LSB is going to be a good thing for linux and something they should have done a LONG time ago. |
| 00:28 | <Viddy> | debian always puts the files in the same place |
| 00:29 | <Timon> | Yeah, each distro always puts file in the same place. Its the difference between distros that I don't like for file locations |
| 00:29 | <Viddy> | ;P |
| 00:30 | <Timon> | Theres only one freebsd distro, and I can count on files always being in the same spot :-) |
| 00:30 | <Timon> | But, Linux has vastly superior hardware support. |
| 00:31 | <bigguy> | well not really true |
| 00:32 | <Timon> | the hardware support bit? |
| 00:32 | <bigguy> | no the only distro bit ;) |
| 00:32 | <Timon> | Really? There is anohter distro other then the one by freebsd.org? |
| 00:32 | <bigguy> | in some way they are all redsist of bsd 4.4 lite |
| 00:32 | <Timon> | redsist? |
| 00:33 | <bigguy> | redists |
| 00:33 | <Timon> | oh, yeah |
| 00:33 | <bigguy> | :P |
| 00:33 | <Timon> | we should all go back to dos |
| 00:34 | <Timon> | Or better yet. . . xenix |
| 00:34 | <bigguy> | the reason there are multiple linux distro's is the same reason there are multiple *bsd derivatives |
| 00:34 | <bigguy> | choice |
| 00:34 | <bigguy> | I choose to not like freebsd but you love it :P |
| 00:34 | <bigguy> | so heh |
| 00:34 | <Timon> | Yeah, i guess I just didn't look at it that way. |
| 00:34 | <bigguy> | http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?threadid=46223&perpage=25&pagenumber=1 |
| 00:35 | <Timon> | thats funny! |
| 00:35 | <bigguy> | heh |
| 00:35 | <Timon> | "Being stoned causes terrorism " |
| 00:36 | <Timon> | "Your telephone may be a practicing physician" |
| 00:50 | <bigguy> | gonna go work on something for a bit. |
| 00:52 | <Timon> | k |
| 00:56 | <the_anti_poptix> | i found out what was causing my stupid stuttering problems |
| 00:56 | <the_anti_poptix> | arpwatch was running, and listening on 'lo' for some reason |
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| 01:58 | <xian> | hello. |
| 01:59 | <xian> | I'm building a new box, and I was curious which would make a better mythtv box: 1.4ghz thunderbird w/ 1.5gb of ram, or a 1.8ghz Athlonxp with 512mb ram |
| 02:03 | <bigguy> | hmm well both would work |
| 02:03 | <bigguy> | but you'd probably be able to do more with the 1.8 |
| 02:12 | * xian | is away. Automatically set away [SZon] |
| 02:31 | <xian> | so, you think that CPU power is more important than RAM? Maybe I could use 1gb of that pc133 ram as a ramdisk :) |
| 02:32 | <xian> | the 1.4ghz setup is what I already have. It has a G400 and sb live inside of it. the other setup will be nforce-2 based |
| 02:33 | * xian | is sleepy |
| 02:33 | <xian> | gnite all |
| 03:01 | <Viddy> | i'd go for the 1.8 |
| 03:01 | <Viddy> | night xian |
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| 09:04 | <rkulagow_> | moegreen, are you here? |
| 09:05 | <Chutt> | morning |
| 09:05 | <rkulagow_> | hey |
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| 09:29 | <Chutt> | there, i think i have all the email responded to that i needed to |
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| 12:16 | <thor> | Chutt, you there |
| 12:17 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 12:17 | <Chutt> | but i'm not going to be very shortly |
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| 12:17 | <Chutt> | have to clean the bathroom |
| 12:17 | <thor> | Drag |
| 12:17 | <thor> | Mythmusic is coming, but domestic duties have taken over all time this weekend |
| 12:18 | <Chutt> | no problem |
| 12:18 | <thor> | Single pane may in fact work ... although I'm still not convinced its the right way to do things |
| 12:18 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 12:18 | <Chutt> | well, have to see it all together, ya know? |
| 12:19 | <thor> | yup ... I'll crank on it tonight and get at least something buggy out tomorrow |
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| 12:29 | <rkulagow_> | thor: you here? |
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| 12:34 | <thor> | I'm back, rkulagow |
| 12:38 | <rkulagow_> | thor: were you planning on doing a setup screen? i was thinking of using 99% of the setup screen from mythfrontend and making it mythmusic specific, unless you already had something like that in the works. |
| 12:39 | <thor> | No setup screen ... not that I'm working on |
| 12:39 | <Chutt> | well, mythmusic should hopefully share the audio settings with the frontend |
| 12:40 | <Chutt> | i'd eventually like to have setup be a main top level menu |
| 12:40 | <Chutt> | with entries for 'General' then 'MythTV' 'MythMusic' 'MythWeather', etc |
| 12:40 | <thor> | Couldn/t agree more ... already a bit odd having mythweather setup under TV |
| 12:41 | <Chutt> | i figure that general and tv would be handled by the frontend itself |
| 12:41 | <Chutt> | like the current arrangement |
| 12:41 | <Chutt> | and the others would be something like 'mythmusic --configure' |
| 12:41 | <Chutt> | and that'd just run the setup screen for the module |
| 12:41 | <thor> | Ahhh .. yes ... difference between "Setup" and "Settings" |
| 12:42 | <Chutt> | that way, they're still independent modules, but they can be added to the settings menu |
| 12:42 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 12:42 | <Chutt> | i need to rename 'setup' to 'backendsetup' |
| 12:42 | <Chutt> | or whatnot =) |
| 12:43 | <thor> | You have any idea where this weird focus problem is coming from |
| 12:43 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 12:43 | <rkulagow_> | chutt: moegreen already has a configuration routine native to mythweather in his private tree (i'm helping him debug), so that will get rid of the mythweather setup from within mythTV |
| 12:43 | <thor> | It's very odd |
| 12:43 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, excellent =) |
| 12:43 | <Chutt> | the multi-backend stuff is about half done |
| 12:43 | <Chutt> | aside from debugging things |
| 12:44 | <rkulagow_> | chutt, thor: i was going to check with you guys if you can think of a reason why mythmusic _wouldn't_ use the audio settings already in the database. |
| 12:45 | <Chutt> | i can't think of one |
| 12:45 | <Chutt> | i should eventually make it able to support multiple cd drives |
| 12:45 | <thor> | only thing I can thing of is if people have multiple sound cards (/dev/dsps) and have CD drive wired through different card than default |
| 12:45 | <Chutt> | it doesn't read audio from cd that way |
| 12:46 | <Chutt> | it's always ripping, so that's not really an issue |
| 12:46 | <thor> | oh yeah ... never mid |
| 12:46 | <thor> | never mind |
| 12:46 | <paperclip> | you can't simply play a cd? |
| 12:47 | <Chutt> | of course you can simply play it |
| 12:47 | <Chutt> | but when it plays, it's ripping it on the fly |
| 12:47 | <paperclip> | heh.. ok.. |
| 12:47 | <paperclip> | you had me worried.. |
| 12:47 | <Chutt> | mainly so it's easy to support multiple soundcards |
| 12:47 | <Chutt> | and playing the cd works with the vis stuff |
| 12:47 | <paperclip> | nice.. |
| 12:47 | <Chutt> | err, multiple drives, not soundcards |
| 12:48 | <paperclip> | ok.. you convinced me.. i'm lurking again =) |
| 12:49 | <thor> | gotta run ... looking forward to multi-backend ... should drive a lot of HW sales :-) (maybe we should be buying stock in Hauppauge or Pinnacle ?) |
| 12:50 | <Chutt> | heh |
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| 13:00 | <rkulagow_> | only if there's a good CX23881 driver; it may start to get more difficult to find a card where you _know_ there's a Bt8X8 chip on it. |
| 13:01 | <rkulagow_> | (from what i read, gerd wasn't too impressed with the driver) |
| 13:03 | <Chutt> | he's working on one, though |
| 13:04 | <bigguy> | working on a driver? |
| 13:06 | <Chutt> | far as i know |
| 13:07 | <bigguy> | hmm |
| 13:07 | <Chutt> | http://bytesex.org/snapshot/ |
| 13:07 | <Chutt> | cx88-<date>.tar.gz |
| 13:08 | <bigguy> | hmm |
| 13:08 | <bigguy> | this based off that thing merle mailed to matt? |
| 13:09 | <Chutt> | check the readme in there |
| 13:09 | <Chutt> | he's reimplementing it from scratch, using that as a reference |
| 13:09 | <bigguy> | ah |
| 13:09 | <bigguy> | I don't have a card with that chipset |
| 13:09 | <Chutt> | since he said on the v4l list that it wasn't worth trying to fix that driver |
| 13:10 | <bigguy> | I've got 2 bt8xx cards |
| 13:10 | <bigguy> | ones an stb the other's a wintv go |
| 13:10 | <bigguy> | the stb has btaudio support |
| 13:10 | <bigguy> | the go doesn't of course |
| 13:11 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 13:11 | <Chutt> | thinking of going to the cleveland auto show today =) |
| 13:11 | <bigguy> | I would if I was there. |
| 13:11 | <bigguy> | just to get out |
| 13:12 | <Chutt> | wonderin if nissan'll have a 350z convertible on display |
| 13:13 | <bigguy> | hmm who knows |
| 13:20 | <Chutt> | http://www.zcar.com/forums/read.php?f=5&i=82618&t=82618 |
| 13:20 | <Chutt> | mmm |
| 13:20 | <Chutt> | want car |
| 13:22 | <bigguy> | nice |
| 13:23 | <Chutt> | ah well, probably won't be at the show |
| 13:25 | <bigguy> | hmm |
| 13:26 | <bigguy> | when you run debian/rules binary doesn't it normally not compile if you don't have a tool needed for compilation? |
| 13:26 | <Chutt> | dunno |
| 13:27 | <bigguy> | well the other packages I've built always told me from the start that "x" package was needed |
| 13:27 | <bigguy> | I keep having to grab new tools for this X build |
| 13:27 | <bigguy> | it'll get part way through and fail cause it needs some tool that I just haven't installed yet |
| 13:28 | <bigguy> | oh hmm |
| 13:28 | <bigguy> | I should have disable the international fonts as well |
| 13:30 | <bigguy> | hmm |
| 13:30 | <bigguy> | yet another debian based distro |
| 13:30 | <bigguy> | censornet |
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| 13:49 | <Timon> | chutt, you there? |
| 14:00 | <bigguy> | I think he went to an auto show |
| 14:01 | <Timon> | Ahh, ok |
| 14:02 | <Timon> | I'm workin on a patch which required me to indent about 300 lines to keep everything consistent, and was wondering if he wanted me to turn on --ignore-whitespace |
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| 17:44 | <mdz> | bigguy: dpkg-buildpackage checks dependencies. debian/rules binary just tries to build the package, and if build-dependencies are missing, behaviour is undefined |
| 17:44 | <mdz> | bigguy: you might get a package with reduced functionality, or it might not build |
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| 17:53 | <bigguy> | hmm |
| 17:53 | <bigguy> | well it errored out anyway |
| 17:54 | <bigguy> | atleast it did building with debian/rules binary |
| 17:54 | <bigguy> | but it's gotten alot farther with me just make World'ing the patched source |
| 18:11 | <mdz> | bigguy: what are you trying to build? |
| 18:12 | <bigguy> | xfree 4.3.0 that Daniel Stone made diff and packages for |
| 18:12 | <bigguy> | but since I had already downloaded xfree 4.3.0 to another machine I was just gonna try it out |
| 18:18 | <mdz> | try dpkg-checkbuilddeps before you run debian/rules binary |
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| 18:19 | <bigguy> | ok I will later I'm building it by itself on another box atm with the debian specific patchs the box has no X and I'm making a log of what gets installed so I can remove it |
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| 19:31 | <bigguy> | that is just too strange |
| 19:31 | <bigguy> | It built fine with make World |
| 19:31 | <bigguy> | but it errored out with debian/rules binary |
| 19:32 | <bigguy> | I even applied all the debian/patches/XXX_patchname patches |
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| 20:08 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 20:08 | <Chutt> | so, i'm testing this latest patch by andy davidoff |
| 20:08 | <Chutt> | each query is _identical_ in speed to what he replaced |
| 20:09 | <bigguy> | but but but he can't be wrong |
| 20:09 | <bigguy> | >:) |
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| 20:13 | <moegreen> | Chutt: are you talking about the program finder patch? It looks like he added some columns, but how do they get populated? |
| 20:13 | <Chutt> | he didn't add any columns |
| 20:14 | <Chutt> | he just changed the join type, basically |
| 20:14 | <Chutt> | he did add an index to the program table, is all |
| 20:14 | <Chutt> | actually |
| 20:14 | <Chutt> | looking at those queries |
| 20:14 | <Chutt> | why is it joining on channel for the ones where it's just getting the title? |
| 20:15 | <moegreen> | ?? probably doesn't need to |
| 20:16 | <Chutt> | select title from program,channel where program.title like '%1%' and program.title not like 'The %' and program.chanid = channel.chanid and program.starttime > %2 group by program.title order by program.title; |
| 20:16 | <Chutt> | is what's there now |
| 20:16 | <Chutt> | select title from program where title like '%1%' and title not like 'The %' and starttime > %2 group by title order by title; |
| 20:17 | <Chutt> | should be much faster |
| 20:17 | <mdz> | Chutt: is there some substantial change in that patch from andy davidoff? |
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| 20:17 | <Chutt> | mdz, none at all, from what i can tell |
| 20:17 | <mdz> | it looks equivalent except for adding the index |
| 20:17 | <Chutt> | he's replacing one join type with another |
| 20:17 | <mdz> | which I'll admit might speed it up a bit |
| 20:17 | <bigguy> | hmm |
| 20:17 | <mdz> | he's replacing an inner join with a left join |
| 20:17 | <mdz> | but the join condition is the smae |
| 20:17 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 20:18 | <Chutt> | wouldn't a left join change the results, depending? |
| 20:18 | <mdz> | oh, I see you already tested it |
| 20:18 | <mdz> | it would if there were rows that didn't match |
| 20:18 | <bigguy> | this tries to compile in buildtree/xc but copies nothing to that dir |
| 20:18 | <mdz> | entries in program for which there was no channel row |
| 20:18 | <Chutt> | right |
| 20:18 | <Chutt> | which can't exist |
| 20:18 | <mdz> | which should never happen, but yeah, in that respect it's different |
| 20:18 | <Chutt> | adding the index would help, though |
| 20:18 | <Chutt> | but, even the one query where it actually needs to join the tables |
| 20:19 | <Chutt> | his was exactly the same speed as what was there |
| 20:19 | <Chutt> | simplifying that query as i did above |
| 20:19 | <Chutt> | though |
| 20:19 | <Chutt> | doubled the speed |
| 20:20 | <moegreen> | (0.13)->(0.05 sec) --- for the later select |
| 20:20 | <Chutt> | moegreen, which two? |
| 20:20 | <mdz> | moegreen: what did? |
| 20:20 | <moegreen> | the two you mentioned above (what it is now and your change) |
| 20:20 | <Chutt> | moegreen, yeah, similar results to what i saw |
| 20:20 | <Chutt> | do his change for comparison =) |
| 20:21 | <mdz> | SELECT DISTINCT would make a bit more sense than GROUP BY there |
| 20:22 | <mdz> | mysql may evaluate it the same way, but if I'm reading it right, the intent is just to get a unique list of titles |
| 20:22 | <Chutt> | and is a hundreth of a second faster |
| 20:22 | <Chutt> | (the select distinct vs the group by0 |
| 20:22 | <mdz> | interesting |
| 20:22 | <Chutt> | average over several runs |
| 20:23 | <Chutt> | 0.05 vs 0.04, of course |
| 20:23 | <moegreen> | mdz: yeah it is getting a unique list. I put that change and chutt's changes into cvs (the tenth of second is going to allow us to get things done faster!) :) |
| 20:23 | <mdz> | that's significant, percentage-wise |
| 20:23 | <mdz> | I'm surprised that mysql doesn't just rearrange it into something equivalent |
| 20:23 | <Chutt> | moegreen, change all 3 others/ |
| 20:24 | <moegreen> | yeah, I'll get them |
| 20:24 | <bigguy> | hmm |
| 20:24 | <rkulagow> | moegreen: if you get a chance, pop open a window with me? |
| 20:24 | <mdz> | I wonder if a substring comparison would be faster than LIKE |
| 20:24 | <bigguy> | mdz when running dpkg-buildpackage is there a way to keep it from running dpkg-source -b blah ? |
| 20:25 | <mdz> | LEFT(title,1) |
| 20:25 | <bigguy> | eh? |
| 20:25 | <mdz> | LEFT(title,1) = '%1' or whatever instead of title like '%1%' |
| 20:25 | <mdz> | bigguy: dpkg-buildpackage -b |
| 20:25 | <mdz> | (-b for binary only) |
| 20:25 | <Chutt> | mdz, about the same speed |
| 20:26 | <mdz> | oh well |
| 20:26 | <mdz> | 0.04 seconds is pretty respectable |
| 20:26 | <mdz> | is that with or without the additional index? |
| 20:26 | <Chutt> | without |
| 20:27 | <mdz> | doesn't seem necessary then |
| 20:27 | <Chutt> | the index might help on the query that's actually getting the program info |
| 20:27 | <Chutt> | instead of just the titles |
| 20:27 | <mdz> | this stuff will fit in memory anyway |
| 20:27 | <mdz> | indexes really help when you can avoid loading lots of data from disk |
| 20:27 | <Chutt> | as that _is_ joining against the channel table |
| 20:28 | <mdz> | you changed the other one to not use the channel table at all, right? |
| 20:28 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 20:29 | <moegreen> | derrr, I guess I should update my cvs before I change this :) |
| 20:29 | <Chutt> | since there wasn't any need for it, except to ensure that each program was on a channel |
| 20:29 | <mdz> | right |
| 20:29 | <mdz> | actually that might come in handy now that I think about it |
| 20:29 | <Chutt> | i really wasn't testing that change just because it was from andy davidoff |
| 20:29 | <mdz> | no, I guess not |
| 20:29 | <Chutt> | i was just curious to see how much of a speedup there was |
| 20:30 | <mdz> | yeah, I had noticed it was a little sluggish loading the titles |
| 20:30 | <mdz> | I've only used it like twice though |
| 20:30 | <Chutt> | mdz, maybe when it's possible to disable channels somehow |
| 20:30 | <mdz> | all video sources should be available at all frontends, right? |
| 20:30 | <Chutt> | but then, it's better to just not have data |
| 20:30 | <Chutt> | right |
| 20:30 | <mdz> | so if the program is in the db, it should show up |
| 20:30 | <Chutt> | actually, that's something that needs work, kinda |
| 20:30 | <Chutt> | the epg doesn't make any distinction of where a channel is available from |
| 20:31 | <mdz> | moegreen: did you do the initial progfind? |
| 20:31 | <moegreen> | mdz: yeah |
| 20:31 | <Chutt> | it's all his code |
| 20:31 | <mdz> | moegreen: have you thought about a keyword search? |
| 20:31 | <mdz> | like, sift out all keywords that exist in the program info and let the user browse those to use as a search term |
| 20:31 | <Chutt> | i wish the zap2it data was more complete |
| 20:32 | <mdz> | yeah, their descriptions are not very good |
| 20:32 | <Chutt> | like, their individual program views have much better info |
| 20:32 | <Chutt> | actors, etc |
| 20:32 | <Chutt> | but those aren't present in the text descriptions |
| 20:32 | <moegreen> | mdz: hmmm...like get all the keywords from the titles and description, take out common words (the, if, and, etc) and then present that list to the user? |
| 20:33 | <Chutt> | chris pinkham's committing stuff to cvs soon that makes it use just regular x if xv doesn't work |
| 20:34 | <Chutt> | software colorspace conversion and some scaling code |
| 20:34 | <Chutt> | should go in the same time as the rest of his newer commercial detection code =) |
| 20:35 | <Chutt> | i should commit that favorites patch tonight, too |
| 20:35 | <Chutt> | i'm just getting semi-worried about configuration overload |
| 20:35 | <bigguy> | ugh wtf |
| 20:36 | <mdz> | moegreen: something like that...not sure if it would work out, but wondering if you'd thought in that direction |
| 20:36 | <mdz> | maybe the remotelineedit approach is better in the long run |
| 20:37 | <mdz> | Chutt: I hadn't noticed that they had that info (actors, etc.) anywhere...I assumed they only sold it |
| 20:37 | <moegreen> | mdz: I did think of some other things like limiting searches by program type, etc. but not that, I'll look into it and the remotelineedit |
| 20:37 | <mdz> | xmltv could be smart and grab that info selectively. I would want it for movies, for instance |
| 20:38 | <mdz> | Chutt: is chris committing soon? |
| 20:39 | <bigguy> | hmm this is severely b0rked |
| 20:40 | <bigguy> | It wants to build in build-tree/xc but it copies nothing there and if I try to put something there it removes it |
| 20:40 | <Chutt> | mdz, dunno |
| 20:40 | <Chutt> | he had said he'd be emailing me an updated patch so i could look things over again |
| 20:40 | <Chutt> | he sent some in progress stuff this morning, and i commented on a couple things |
| 20:40 | <Chutt> | mostly the x fallback stuff, since some of it was slightly broken =) |
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| 20:41 | <bigguy> | weird nothing about that in the debian/ dir I can find |
| 20:42 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 20:42 | <Chutt> | more patches from andy davidoff!!! |
| 20:42 | <Chutt> | yay!!! |
| 20:43 | <bigguy> | you go, boy |
| 20:43 | <mdz> | it makes me sad |
| 20:43 | <mdz> | because he's obviously putting effort into this |
| 20:43 | <mdz> | he has sent a lot of patches |
| 20:43 | <Chutt> | i accepted parts of a couple |
| 20:43 | <mdz> | yep |
| 20:44 | <Chutt> | this latest one adds programratings table |
| 20:44 | <mdz> | oh dear |
| 20:44 | <Chutt> | just to store any ratings xmltv returned |
| 20:46 | <mdz> | hmm...I wrote a simple little playback app when I was testing the directrendering stuff...but I can't find it now |
| 20:46 | <mdz> | I'm going to fiddle with the buffering stuff some more |
| 20:46 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 20:46 | <Chutt> | easier when you don't have to run the frontend |
| 20:46 | <Chutt> | or the backend |
| 20:46 | <mdz> | yeah, makes it easier to isolate things too |
| 20:47 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 20:48 | <Chutt> | ya know why i don't like tabs in source? |
| 20:48 | <Chutt> | because if i'm scrolling around, they make the cursor jump more than i expected |
| 20:48 | <Chutt> | and same with deleting |
| 20:51 | <Chutt> | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/freevo/freevo/src/tv/timeshift.py |
| 20:51 | <Chutt> | they're finally getting timeshifting =) |
| 20:52 | <bigguy> | ooooh python |
| 20:52 | <mdz> | I go back and forth about tabs |
| 20:53 | <mdz> | on the one hand, it's nice because if everyone is set up to use tabs, they can use their own indentation level |
| 20:53 | <mdz> | but on the other hand, it never really works out that way |
| 20:53 | <mdz> | emacs will automatically convert tabs to spaces when you delete, vim can probably do the same but I dunno how to set it up |
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| 21:02 | <bigguy> | you can set tabs to equal spaces in vim |
| 21:02 | <bigguy> | I just forgot how |
| 21:04 | <moegreen> | : 1,$! expand |
| 21:07 | <bigguy> | i had something in my old vimrc that was different from that but I lost it with the loss of my harddrive and my former web host |
| 21:11 | <moegreen> | that converts the tabs to 8 spaces, :1,$! expand -t 4 will convert it to 4 spaces |
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| 22:03 | <Chutt> | whoops |
| 22:04 | <Chutt> | forgot to build up a machine spec for work :/ |
| 22:04 | <bigguy> | heh |
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| 23:05 | <_shad> | Anyone around? |
| 23:05 | <moegreen> | yes |
| 23:07 | <moegreen> | brb |
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| 23:22 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: did you find some time to play with QHttp for mp3 streams? |
| 23:24 | <Chutt> | no, sorry |
| 23:24 | <Chutt> | got sidetracked |
| 23:24 | <bigguy> | Chutt: did you end up going to the car show? |
| 23:24 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 23:25 | <bigguy> | see anything you liked? |
| 23:25 | <Chutt> | nothing new, really |
| 23:25 | <bigguy> | ok |
| 23:26 | <Chutt> | still a tossup between a 350z roadster and a slk |
| 23:26 | <_shad> | Wow |
| 23:26 | <Chutt> | they didn't have the z roadster there, of course |
| 23:26 | <Chutt> | but =) |
| 23:26 | <_shad> | the difference a good cable connection makes on picture :P |
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| 23:37 | <Chutt> | both are stupid financially, but hey, when else can i buy something so impractical =) |
| 23:37 | <bigguy> | course pinto and good don't usually go together |
| 23:43 | <_shad> | Chutt: You haven't seen it when run on sep. machines, when watching, all of a sudden the sound just becomes little clicks? |
| 23:43 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 23:43 | <_shad> | ok |
| 23:43 | <_shad> | must be something with the new server |
| 23:43 | <_shad> | I did an update and moved everything around at the same time. hehe |
| 23:44 | <_shad> | works very nice now though |
| 23:44 | <_shad> | main server is a celeron 300@450, and backend is a p3-450 |
| 23:44 | <_shad> | with 320x240, the celeron is using about 60% cpu |
| 23:44 | <_shad> | and I found a nice cable that has less than an ohm of resistance |
| 23:47 | <FredFunk> | Has anyone run freevo? What are they trying to accomplish that hasn't been already completed by Mythtv? |
| 23:48 | <_shad> | Freevo existed before myth, did it not? |
| 23:52 | <Chutt> | it did |
| 23:53 | <FredFunk> | Seems like using a scripting language could be a nice development bonus but other than that... |
| 23:53 | <bigguy> | it was just a glorified mplayer frontend until recently tho |
| 23:53 | <_shad> | But myth made more progress in a month or so then freevo has in it's lifespan |
